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Saturday, 27th February 2010

Hague warns the country: If you don’t vote Conservative this time, it will be too late to reverse Britain’s decline

James Forsyth 3:32pm

As this morning papers’ show, the Tories know that their spring conference here in Brighton offers them a chance to change the narrative of this campaign, to get back on the front foot. William Hague’s speech, the first big set-piece of the event, tried to frame the choice facing the country at the election as being between ‘change or ruin’. Hague warned that if the country doesn’t return a Conservative government at this election, ‘it will be too late...too late to reverse the decline: the debt will be too big, the bureaucracy too bloated, the small businesses too stifled, the slope Britain is sliding down will be too steep.’ Labour will try and say that this language is shrill, a sign of Tory panic. But there’s a lot of truth to it. The question is, will the electorate recognise that?

The other big message in Hague’s speech was that the only way to get Brown out of Downing Street, to bring change, was to vote Conservative. This is a message the Tories need to hit relentlessly. They need to depress the Lib Dem vote and to scoop up as many protest votes as possible.

Hague also talked about the Tories’ positive agenda. After summing up the Tory agenda, Hague declared ‘This would be, when you repeat it and think about it, the salvation of our country.’

Just before Hague spoke, Eric Pickles addressed the meeting. The main thrust of Pickles’ remarks was to try and stir up election speculation. The Tories know that this is a story that works to their advantage. The more people talk about the prospect of Brown going early the more he looks like a ditherer if he doesn’t.
 

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John Bailey

February 27th, 2010 4:05pm Report this comment

The obvious truth, but lets face it, England Deserves ALL it gets, a Nation full of vocal minority Idiots and Morons, allowed to act as the 'majority' by the still, inactive, and silent majority.

Come on McLabour, finish us off!.

Verity

February 27th, 2010 4:16pm Report this comment

Oh, you must have missed out the bit where he addressed immigration. And Somali and other third world rubbish "asylum seekers"?

Errr ... he did mention immigration, didn't he? Home grown islamic terrorism?

Anything?

(I'm sure his message was well-delivered though. I hope he will depose Dave any day now.)

Michael Booth

February 27th, 2010 4:19pm Report this comment

Start linking Brown personally to
robbing peoples' pensions
selling off our gold reserves at a knock down price
111 stealth tax rises under Labour
Hammer hammer hammer it home
or pack up and go home...

teledu

February 27th, 2010 4:30pm Report this comment

More voters in England voted Conservative in 2005 than Labour, so don't blame the English.

Bobby Lobster

February 27th, 2010 4:34pm Report this comment

Let's have Gordie's morons back in and we can all have jobs in the public sector.

Frank P

February 27th, 2010 4:38pm Report this comment

Daniel Hannan's Brighton "Tea Party" fringe meeting at the Tory Forum gets networked coverage in the US, yet the MSM deliberately ignores it here in the UK.

The blogs are buzzing with it, but with the exception of David Blackburn's post a couple of days ago, it has been abandoned here also by the bloggers, even though commenters on the Wall are still keeping it fresh.

Strange. :-)

TomTom

February 27th, 2010 4:58pm Report this comment

It IS already too late to reverse British decline. It is a country unable to pay its way in the world and with nothing left to sell. Its citizens are fleeced by European utilities who have the government over a barrel when it comes to new power stations.

The British Experiment since 1906 is over and the welfare state is bankrupt. William Hague should recall the Cabinet post he held when State assets were sold off cheaply such as British Rail real estate

Roue le Jour

February 27th, 2010 5:14pm Report this comment

Nobody disputes we need a conservative government. The question is do we need a Conservative one?

Willie de Peepul

February 27th, 2010 5:35pm Report this comment

Oh dear!

Don't get me wrong, I like Wee Willie, but this message is one you should IMPLY, not say out loud.
It smacks far too much of the 2001 election campaign, and you know where THAT got the Tories.
Please, Willie, DON'T piss the people off!!!

radgie gadgie

February 27th, 2010 5:50pm Report this comment

Yes, yes sweet William, but what exactly are you going to DO about uncontrolled EU legislation and regulation? About immigration controlled by Spanish, Greek, Italian and Polish (to name but 4) bueaucracies? What are you going to do about the gramscian cabal which now controls the police, education, housing etc?

I think you may be genuine but the likes of dave and osbourne have neither recognise the need or have the desire, capacity, or boll*x to take on the fight.

John David Barnett

February 27th, 2010 6:02pm Report this comment

It all sounds very exciting. This weekend could well be a turning point for the Conservative Party's campaign.

let us all hope so. The future of our country is at stake.

John David Barnett

February 27th, 2010 6:04pm Report this comment

"The Conservative Party is a modern and radical party - and our modern and radical values are what this country urgently needs."

These are fine words.

oldtimer

February 27th, 2010 6:05pm Report this comment

The BBC News24 twice lost sound this afternoon at critical points in two speeches, the first during Ken Clarke`s speech and the second during Osborne`s speech. On the second accasion it was when Osborne was about to quote Brown. The sound immediately crackled and went off and on so it was not possible to hear what was said. As soon as the quoted remarks were made, the sound came back on again.

So, I ask myself, is this coincidence? Or is there someone in the BBC who is monitoring the words spoken and disabling the sound when it looks bad for Brown?

It is not the first time this has happened. Many years ago, Marr was reporting something favourable to the Conservatives and his voice went dead. I was so suspicious that I wrote to the BBC to get a transcript - which I duly received with a letter of apology.

Conclusion: I do not trust the BBC to report objectively. Later I will check out the text of Osborne`s speech to find out what I missed.

Chris lancashire

February 27th, 2010 6:09pm Report this comment

I am now almost hoping for Brown to be returned with a wafer thin majority to face what he has done.
Imagine the alternative - Cameron with a similar wafer thin majority and, whilst he wrestles with the almighty mess that New Labour has created, he would be at the mercy of every nutter Tory backbencher with a single issue axe to grind on immigration, Europe, loran'order, .... Even after the election there will still be some Steens, Conways and Wintertons on the backbenches.

oldtimer

February 27th, 2010 6:15pm Report this comment

I have found the quote cut out by the BBC. It reads as follows:
""What you, as the City of London, have achieved for financial services we, as a government, now aspire to achieve for the whole economy."

Well Gordon, congratulations - that’s one promise you did keep."

Jason

February 27th, 2010 7:36pm Report this comment

To Chris:

If Brown returns politics won't matter anymore because labour will go ahead with changing the electoral system in october. The new electoral system would give labour 25 more seats and tories 25 less seats.

Please don't allow Brown to fix what he has done because Brown and Mandelson are changing the voting system for labour to be in charge forever.

Labour has had 13 years to fix what they have done.

Last election tories got more votes in england and labour got 100 more seats. Under the new system tories could get more votes in england and labour could get 150 more seats than tories in england which would be double the amount of seats.

David Ossitt

February 27th, 2010 7:42pm Report this comment

oldtimer

“Conclusion: I do not trust the BBC to report objectively.”

Well spotted Sir; nor should any, who are not comrades of the left.

JONNY

February 27th, 2010 8:18pm Report this comment

Our last chance to get the show back on the road with a chance of a decent majority.
And hyper-active Tory Nutters everywhere today as every other , putting spanners in the works, doing Labour's job for them.
Giving us 5 more years of Brown.
But they've got a Party already surely.
BNP or Ukip... UKIP or BNP
Whichever ....Bloody Well Go There.

Tony Gee

February 27th, 2010 8:33pm Report this comment

If Hague wants a surefire victory, then give us policies the majority want e.g. in/out EU referendum, no more immigration, no more PC, zero tolerance policing.

SUSAN HILL

February 27th, 2010 8:40pm Report this comment

Why oh why do the Tories ignore every single concern of the ordinary voter ? Other than the NHS they simply do not address any of it. The Tory front bench is hopelessly out of touch with the world outside Westminster.

Alan Douglas

February 27th, 2010 8:44pm Report this comment

WARNING : Troll Patrol

Seems the Beeb were not the only people to be put on standby for the w/e. Stupid trolls are all over the posts here and elsewhere on the Tory Spring conference.

Enjoy your last few minutes of glory, silly trolls.

Alan Douglas

Jimmimack

February 27th, 2010 9:27pm Report this comment

Verity and radgie gadgie will be ignored, and Cameron's Tories will continue to bay at the moon.
The exhortation to vote Tory or else is overworn. We, poor fools that we were, voted Tory when Major played the same dodge. After the successful election we were told that we had voted for further involvement with Europe, similar to the Heath lies that we had voted for more european integration. NO! and NO! to those two,and NO! again to Hague's cheap attempt to gain my vote.

Noa Zrk

February 27th, 2010 9:29pm Report this comment

Sadly despite what William Hague says, as a man of principle for whom I have respect. A Conservative government as promised by Cameron appears to offer little relief from current Labour policies.

On almost every issue the points of similarity are greater than the differences.

Cameron and Osborne are fitting third rate political nonentities for the tin pot bankrupt totalitarian state created by Brown and Blair.

JONNY

February 27th, 2010 9:43pm Report this comment

Has anyone told Hague that he is going to depose Cameron 'any day now'.

Holly ......

February 27th, 2010 9:49pm Report this comment

Put it this way....
A lot of people are going to get the bubbly out.....
A few others are out in force,knowing the party is over...
Joan Humble has bailed today standing down at the election.....From up NORTH no less...
Must have been the Tories fault.

2trueblue

February 27th, 2010 11:10pm Report this comment

Thank God there are some people awake and aware that our BBC have been up to no good. We pay for it and we have had to put up with Liebore propaganda for 13yrs. The frightening thing is, the BBC have succeeded in ruining the one effective way of informing the public of what is going on in our country. Thanks Liebore, another fine mess you have created. Take something that worked, throw money at it, overpay your friends that work there and have a totally uniformed electorate. Spread negativity about anybody else and deliver us all into poverty by a party that have ruined our pensions, culture, education, economy, infastructure and generally destroyed anyone who got in your way.

Herbert Thornton

February 28th, 2010 12:52am Report this comment

Despite Hague being preferable to Cameron, the notion that "if you don’t vote Conservative this time, it will be too late to reverse Britain’s decline" is sadly unconvincing. All the signs are, that even if people do vote Conservative, the decline in everything that really matters will, especially under Cameron, continue unabated.

Whether Hague, were he to become Prime Minister instead of Cameron, would make any difference is, alas, unclear. If he and other Tories really do want to rescue their country (and a great many of them do sincerely want to rescue Britain from decline) they would be far more convincing - and would be far more likely to see that aim achieved - if they joined the BNP.

Herbert Thornton

February 28th, 2010 1:36am Report this comment

A second attempt -

Despite Hague being preferable to Cameron, the notion that "if you don’t vote Conservative this time, it will be too late to reverse Britain’s decline" is sadly unconvincing. All the signs are, that even if people do vote Conservative, the downward rush towards ruin will, especially under Cameron, continue unabated.

Whether Hague, were he to become Prime Minister instead of Cameron, would make any difference is, alas, unclear. As Verity says, he mentioned neither undesirable immigration nor Islamic terrorism. If he and other Tories really do want to rescue their country (and a great many of them do sincerely want to rescue Britain from ruin) they would be far more convincing - and would be far more likely to see that aim achieved if they joined the BNP.

Verity

February 28th, 2010 1:55am Report this comment

As I've been saying for the last ten years, the BBC has to be destroyed by a silver bullet and buried under a crossroads at midnight at a full moon. (Tonight would be ideal ...)

It cannot be morphed into something unique and needed. Because it's not. It is a foul cancer on the British Isles, and why a broadcasting company should be permitted to levy a tax is another question. Why should people be charged a licence fee for owning a TV, but not a licence fee for owning a toaster or a water boiler (I am giving old fashioned examples because those were the days in which the licence fee got slid under the threshhold ... long before modern technology overtook the need for the subversive, anti-British services of the BBC at all?

In want of a silver bullet that big, my personal choice is a controlled explosion at Broadcasting House and the site left vacant for five years to detoxify, then sold to a commercial establishment - whether an upmarket mall or a block of extremely expensive flats with helipads on the roof for rich people or something else that helps, rather than hinders, the national interest. Which is the development of capital.

Verity

February 28th, 2010 2:39am Report this comment

Austin Barry - and as I keep playing on my tin whistle, there is absolutely no, none, zero, zilch instruction in the q'ran regarding women's wardrobes.

Again, the wearing of burqas, niqabs and the rest of that attire that looks so laughable on Western streets has nothing, nothing, nothing to do with islam. Mohammad, the great prescriber of absolutely every law in the universe, over-looked women's couture. To repeat, there's no mention of these outfits, which way pre-date islam, in the q'ran or the surahs.

As I've said before, it was clothing intelligently come by by people living in the shifting sands of the Sahara two or three thousand years ago.

The burqa and the niqab are specifically designed to keep blowing sands out of ears, mouths, noses and eyes. It's an intelligent design for the purpose.

The long garments are designed to keep the fierce, dehydrating sun off human skin.

Again, humans thinking and coming up with a solution.

Men also wore (and still do in the Saharan countries like Saudi Arabia) full-length garments to keep the sun off their skin and allowing the winds to blow through to take off the sweat.

The keffiyah was designed aeons ago to keep the sun out of the eyes and off the back of men's necks.

This was intelligently designed clothing for the circumstances of Saharan nomads.

It is not Luton couture. And not prescribed by allah.

Verity

February 28th, 2010 2:57am Report this comment

Herbert Thornton, are you saying you think the Tories can't be rescued, or torn apart from, Nulabour? That it's all one party now?

If so, I would agree with you.

PuppetMaster

February 28th, 2010 3:05am Report this comment

It's a bit of a hollow threat, given the history of the Tories in power and opposition. Whilst we've only ever been an imperfect democracy, it is much harder to maintain the illusion that each vote counts when most legislation is written in Brussels.
Off the top of my head I can't think of any major Labour policy that the Tories have opposed, can anybody else? Iraq war, banking bailouts, environmentalism, spending plans, etc.
No it's time to get rid of the current crop of corrupt parties, all of their main ideas are bankrupt, statist, dead ends.
Something new please.

Verity

February 28th, 2010 3:26am Report this comment

Noa Zark - Yup.

Ned Ludd

February 28th, 2010 7:35am Report this comment

The insidious vile New Labour party with it's pathological hatred of the British people are heading for the political wilderness, no doubt about that. The problem comes after the liberation!! and that's how it's going to feel. The tories are moving into the center ground and that's not where it's happening. It's simple the British people want their country back and if they don't deliver others will?

Ned Ludd

February 28th, 2010 9:54am Report this comment

There will be no hung parliament. Labour are heading for the political wilderness.
The only fly in the ointment is David Cameron.

OldS.B.

February 28th, 2010 9:55am Report this comment

"..‘change or ruin’.." But perhaps the change we seek, and the one which will occur, might [hopefull] not turn out to be be quite the same as the one in his mind...

De Rigueur

February 28th, 2010 11:20am Report this comment

"The Conservative Party is a modern and radical party - and our modern and radical values are what this country urgently needs."

"These are fine words" - someone here said. But how can a truly conservative party be what we have grown used to as "radical"?

What we need is a re-intrenchment of truly conservative values.

Chuck out the socialists with their foreign-born dogma.
Insist on Christian values everywhere.
Get people back into church.
Throw out the "celebs" and their tarty wives.
Shut down Channel 4 and the BBC until it rediscovers its Reithian heritage.
Stop paying money to wasters.
All the rest follows from that. You know it makes sense.

PS: And get some grown-up writers at the Speccy.

TomTom

February 28th, 2010 12:52pm Report this comment

As I've been saying for the last ten years, the BBC has to be destroyed by a silver bullet and buried under a crossroads at midnight..

Abolition or at least Decriminalisation of the TV licence would be a signal that a Conservative Government would crack down on taxpayer rip-offs.

However it was a Conservative Government that used the Crawford Committee to nationalise the BBC and The nine regional operations of the British Broadcasting Company should be incorporated into the new Corporation's network, controlled centrally from London

Useful during the General Strike no Government has ever wanted to let go of The State Broadcasting Corporation and it has replaced The Church of England as mouthpiece of the regime

paulg

February 28th, 2010 2:24pm Report this comment

I just watched yourself being interviewed by a snotty little twerp on the BBC who kept repeating that the conservatives would be repeating their message ad nauseam.
He has just stated that the tory campaign message is a logical fallacy; why did you not pick him up on this?
logical fallacies are the speciality of the labour party, as Mr Brown demonstrates over nad over again.
Some one should complain about the impartiality of this reporter as he is clearly biased.

Brian Smith

February 28th, 2010 3:45pm Report this comment

I like Mr Hague, but Mr Cameron seems likely to be a disaster - as we all fear, Bliar Mk2. The best thing is for Labour to have an unworkable majority, Cameron to be kicked out and for a real Tory who believes what most of the rest of us believe in to become leader in time for an election in a year or two. The alternatives are terminal decline or a revolution.

Barbara

February 28th, 2010 3:49pm Report this comment

why has he not spoken out so clearly before? Why wait till they are just 2pts in front, which will not give them the majority they need. Cameron shot himself in the foot when he denied us the vote on the Lisbon Treaty, now we see Labour infiltrated by Radical Islamics and one of their own complaining, as if the nation didn't know. So, how does the nation thrust ahead? Certainly not with these two non-starters, who have betrayed us just like the left, no, we will have to face the truth ourselves and vote for one of the new enmass to give them the power and the will to save this nation, for they speak for us,and Queen and country and that's good enough for me. They too have plans for the debt we face and for me it's sensible planning, stop all immigration, stop all aid, close all quangos', and stop all waste, the debt would reduce automatically over night. Not the end we well know but a beginning where there is no beginning with the three main parties. Time we the public acted for us, and made the change and kicked the main three where it hurts and may be they would stop and think what they have proposed, done, and failed us in the past. After all it's our money, our country, so we should decide not corrupt politicians who have lost all integrity in the past 12 months or so. Time for change, lets make it happen I'm ready, my vote will go to the new.

Herbert Thornton

February 28th, 2010 5:32pm Report this comment

Verity -

Your reference to the difficulty of the Tory and Labour Parties being "torn apart" sums up their relationship rather well.

That situation isn't a new Parliamentary phenomenon. In the early days of the Whig and Tory parties, there was virtually no difference between them either - so much so that when one aspiring politician (whose name I've forgotten) was considering which of the two parties he should join, he is said to have made his decision by tossing a coin.

beachlover

February 28th, 2010 6:02pm Report this comment

Goodness, we have to vote for a collection of wishywashy non-entities in order to remove the cause of the cancer eating away at our country.

No belief that they will be able to make much difference, but perhaps they can slow the decline - perhaps.

As one contributor stated previously..the UK is a lost cause.

Jeeez what a situation for a nation to be in.

EllenMoore

February 28th, 2010 6:08pm Report this comment

For god's sake what rubbish is this, Hague had his chance years ago, the people said No. No doubt it would still be no, Hague was a disaster in waiting, Cameron is a disaster in waiting!

Jezzasexiles.com

March 14th, 2010 12:44am Report this comment

Sorry Verity you are wrong - The Koran and more definately The Hadiths (basis for Sharia Law) does instruct the wearing of veils!

You may be right on the origins of these garments - but they are mentioned in Islamic scripture!

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