Sir John Major accuses Brown of conduct "profoundly unbecoming" of a Prime Minister

Gawain

About time. I suspect that John Major's flawed administration will get much better treatment from historians in the future than the complete shambles Brown has presided over. Labour are beyond the pale and the soap opera of Brown posing as the great war leader is vomit inducing.

Austin Barry

Brown is a man without honour or shame or courage.

This from the Vietnam War Glossary:

"Fragging" - Assassination of an inept, dangerous or unpopular officer by his own troops, usually by means of a grenade or other fragmentation device.

Mmmm......

David Ossitt

“Tonight’s remarks are a sign of just how heated this election campaign is now going to get. There is a feeling, largely justified, on the Tory side that Brown will use every advantage that his office bestows in an attempt to win.”

Brown was; is, and shall ever be a liar.

His dishonesty; oozes from every pore, it is in the air around him; he will do and say anything in order to try and win the next election, the man is beneath contempt.

Alex

So "John Major will tonight accuse Gordon Brown of using the armed forces as a prop..."

Has John Major ever met Michael Heseltine or Margaret Thatcher. Or even John Major.

All of these people posed in tanks, two of them in battle dress.

Of course!!! They were Tories!!!!

How dare anyone else use the armed forces as a prop...!!

They're OUR armed forces, you oik!!!

Fellow didn't even go to Oxbridge y'know...

Yow Min Lye

Unlike his successor, at least John Mayor worked to keep Britain out of other people's wars where vital British interests were not at stake.

Jake

Profoundly unbecoming- what Majoresque speak! - Major was the most ineffective PM in history - his predecessor was more guilty of using the armed forces as a 'prop' (ie Falklands

Harry Hunkes

"Conduct "profoundly unbecoming" of a Prime Minister" - that's rich coming from a prime ministerial adulterer

Frugal Dougal

What needs to be highlighted is Brown's cumulative campaign to weaken the armed forces because of his socialist conviction that to prosecute war is wrong.

toco

Brown is a man devoid of common decency who will use his wife,children,our brave troops and also nasty and misguided people like Damian McBride,Charlie Whelan and Derek Draper in a desperate attempt to cling on to something to which he is not entitled and certainly did not earn.The dysfunctional Brown has a problem which is causing problems for all of us and it has become abundantly clear he is a danger to all of us and should leave the stage of public life forever.

Anan

WOW! 13 years late, he finally finds his backbone. Now don't screw it up by crumpling under the massive weight of vitriolic attacks that are headed his way by the Comrades.

Alex

Try again,

So John Major will accuse Gordon Brown of "using the armed forces as a Party Political prop".

Has John Major ever heard of Michael Heseltine or Margaret Thatcher? Or even John Major?

All of these people were photographed in army tanks, two of them dressed in battle fatigues.

Of course!!! But we're Tories!!!

Don't you understand, it's our army, not that oik Brown's. Ok we cut the defence budget while he has increased it every year, and above inflation... but I believe the feller didn't even go to Oxbridge...

Not like Michael and Margaret..

and John... John, which college did you attend.....?

What's that ..South London Corporation Bus Depot (failed)...

Oh well, I'm sure it was fine institution...

Craig Strachan

John Major = the last decent Prime Minister.

He's Spartacus

Our Prime Miniature's notoriety has gone global.

This week's edition of Brazilian news weekly, Veja, calls Brown The Monster of Downing Street.

Don't pull any punches, Sir John.

He's Spartacus

Even LabourHome is spitting feathers over this....

http://www.labourhome.org/?p=10556

TGF UKIP

"Weak, weak, weak" and "a political pygmy". Well, although he's proably far too much of a gentleman to say anything or to let it show, but I suspect old Major is laughing his wotsit off now that the current "Leader" of the Tory Party makes him look in retrospect like a political giant and lion.

Indeed, if he gets round the TV studios, he might well inflict more damage on Brown than Drippy Dave has ever managed to do. For that reason alone, CCHQ are probably doing their best to keep him from the airwaves.

Olaf Rye

Oh my, the Labour apologists here ! You could never trust Labour with defence, given that most were members of the CND and some even Soviet agents of influence. Just remember the leftist chants during the demonstrations against the Falkland War: 'One, Two, Three, Four, I hope Argentina wins the war' ! This is the sort of person that we are encountering in the government, perhaps older and wiser, but no less hateful of the armed forces except when they can deploy them to further their own Marxist agenda. They hate the police, too, apart from when they summon them to crack down on those guilty of violating some leftist legislation.

TrevorsDen

You might spend your time more profitably UKIP, pointing out that the new mine resistant vehicles bBrown is waving around are, as the MoD themselves say, 'still on the drawing board' and will not be available for another 18 months, by which time we must profoundly hope the Taliban have been defeated (though news on the current campaign seems to have gone ominously quiet).

The real point is that BAE deliveredprototypes of a suitable vehicle to the US Army a year ago and other companies have already got similar vehicles in operation.

There is no reason why our troops cannot have these vehicles NOW. We should also note that these vehicles will not stop explosions nor stop deaths. But they will certainly make the IED explosions more survivable.

BTW - the line that Brown takes that the military did not make demands or that he met all the demands is totally disingenuous.
The whole purpose of having politicians is that they question the military - simply shrugging shoulders and whistling at the dead is no excuse. The govt needed to be satisfied needed to go out of its way to satisfy itself that no more needed to be done. The deaths ultimately lie at the door of the govt -- they can and should have done more to protect our soldiers.

david

John Major, is that the John Major who said, 'I have not intention of increasing or extending the scopw of VAT' then tried to put it on domestic fuel, and raised it to 17.5%. Is that the John Major who talked about back to Basics while having an adulterous relationship with the destroyer of the British egg industry Edwina Currie? Or is it another one?

Bolivar

Is this the same John Major who spent his own premiership shagging Edwina Curry ?

M Lee

John Major seems to have a very short memory...

Major himself visited British troops in the Gulf before the 1992 General Election and a clip of this visit was actually used in the Conservative 1992 Election TV broadcast "The Journey" (listed on YouTube as "John Major, The Movie").

Maybe it's because of John Major's hypocrisy that he led his party in 1997 to its worst defeat in over 150 years.

Nicholas

I see the New Labour trolls are sitting on this thread like others. Clearly part of an orchestrated spin operation like the Fat Bounder who just got let off the hook by the Chilcot enquiry flying to Afghanistan to announce new armoured vehicles. Coincidence? No, a carefully planned, taxpayer funded, national socialist puritan spin operation to make Britain's potential dictator look good during the unofficial "government by party political campaign" this stinking gang are running.

Say what you like about John Major. He was not and is not the slimy, lying, manipulative, communist scum that Brown is.

mitch

It shows how rattled brown is by this that the trolls are working OT.
Whatever Majors faults where he is perceived as an honest man and his comments carry much weight.

John Moss

25: 33: 40: 37: 31: 35: Brown's deficits - in £billions - from 02-08 - NOT fixing the roof when the sun was shining!

David Ossitt

Bolivar

“Is this the same John Major who spent his own premiership shagging Edwina Curry?”

As usual; your post is ill informed, thoroughly bad mannered, and mindless bullshit.

The affair began in 1984 when Mrs Currie was a backbencher and Mr Major a whip in Margaret Thatcher's government.

Mrs Currie; has said the affair ended in early 1988 after John Major’ swift promotion to the Cabinet as chief secretary to the Treasury.

He is a thoroughly decent and honest gentleman, not something that will ever be said, of the two low lives’s that have followed him into office.

Alex

Nicholas thinks "I see the New Labour trolls are sitting on this thread like others..."

Not trolling Nicholas, just putting a different point of view.

One thought that is worth considering is that, if John Major and George Bush 1st had finished the job ten years earlier, then Blair and GB2 would not have had to do it for him and us in 2003.

What do you think?

Try and reply without reference to "communist scum", if you can. Thanks.

stephen

History will be far far kinder to John Major than Gordon Brown who may go down in history the worst british PM since Lord North who lost the US for us!

paulg

John Major and edwina Currie were two consenting adults what they did has nothing to do with anybody.
Whereas Mr Brown Has F***** the economy, raped the armed services, without even a by your leave. Indeed he is trying to tell us all that it was consentual, flying in the face of facts, budgets, the words of the generals, civil servants and even his own collegues.
Only in the world of new labour is he to be believed.

denis cooper

Trevorsden, Richard North has been writing about this for years. Most recently:

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/03/system-is-broke.html

"In short, what binds Snatch Land Rovers and climate change together are four egregious failures – a failure of government, a failure of parliamentary opposition, a failure in the crucial system of select committee scrutiny and a complete failure of journalism."

Nicholas

Alex: "Try and reply without reference to "communist scum", if you can. Thanks."

Why? Is that some Coffee House rule I'm not aware of or just your pompous attempt at a put down?

Britain is where it is because of "communist scum". If you don't think so you are either naive or one of them.

Nicholas

Btw Alex, I just re-read your two posts which convince me even more that you are a Labour troll and/or an anti-Tory class warrior. So don't pretend that a priggish "just putting a different point of view" will wash.

There is no comparison between the Fat (communist scum) Bounder's rush to Afghanistan immediately after the Chilcot appearance, ("frit" that he was going to come under more fire for underfunding our troops and desperate for a damage limitation exercise - a carefully orchestrated piece of typical New Labour/Cult of Gordon Brown spin from the charlatan who promised to end the culture of spin) and the Tory examples you cite. If you can't see the cynical manipulation involved then, again, you are either naive or one of the wannabe communist elite.

Why was the announcement about more armoured vehicles made by Brown, in Afghanistan, a day after he expected to get hammered over the use of snatch landrovers? Coincidence? Pull the other one.

And why you are wittering on about John Major and GB 1 I have no idea, unless it is in typical New Labour defence mode: talk about anyone else's record but ours, blame governments of over 13 years ago or blame the opposition now - but never blame us.

Contemptible.

Paddy

Has Brown started packing yet?

Alex

Nicholas;

"Alex: "Try and reply without reference to "communist scum", if you can. Thanks." Why? Is that some Coffee House rule I'm not aware of "

Nicholas, not that I know of, it's just that making idiotic references to Gordon Brown, pillar of the Atlanticist establishment, a man who gets so many of his ideas from the American polity and spends his summer holidays in Nantucket the better to be closer to his fellow sprits, as "Communist scum", lowers the tone of the discussion and make you look like some sort of loony.

But don't let me stop you. If you want to lower the tone and look like a loony, on you go. It's a free country after all.

Fox in a box

Labour's rapid butt-plug'll unit still seeing the benefits of "investment" I see.

For their benefit, Brown is a disgrace, Major is a hundred times the man Brown is.

History will not be kind to Brown, and rightly so.

So trolls, your tired assertions mean nothing to us here who have a sense of perspective.

Tally ho.

Nicholas

Alex: "making idiotic references to Gordon Brown, pillar of the Atlanticist establishment, a man who gets so many of his ideas from the American polity and spends his summer holidays in Nantucket the better to be closer to his fellow sprits (sic), as "Communist scum", lowers the tone of the discussion."

Really? Clearly you don't know much about Brown's background or formative ideology. What he pretends to be and what he is may not actually be one and the same.

The only loony dominating this "discussion" is one Gordon Brown.

David Ossitt

Alex

“Nicholas thinks "I see the New Labour trolls are sitting on this thread like others..."
Not trolling Nicholas, just putting a different point of view.”

Nicholas did not accuse you of trolling (angling by drawing a baited line), he called you a New Labour troll (an ugly giant or dwarf a cave dweller) he was in fact making the justifiable comment that we are seeing a large influx of labour-loveys who are here to make mischief.

Swiss Bob

Let's not forget that Brown is a protogé of that 'communist scum' KGB agent and traitor Jack Jones.

Marge Poops

My God. Major as a decent PM; justification for his porking of the Egg Witch (I am sure his wife will love your support on that) and the worst defeat for the Conservatives in living memory in 1997. How much further can we sink on here? If Broon loses in 2010 like Major lost in 1997 then shovel all the crap you want on him but the sad fact is that there is an outside chance he could be the leader of the largest party after election night and we watch as Cameron and Co seem to be falling apart at the seams at the slightest prod.

Has there been a massive underestimation? An enormous misreading of the voting public? A continued smugness that has lead to sloppiness? Me thinks so.

John Wood

"One thought that is worth considering is that, if John Major and George Bush 1st had finished the job ten years earlier, then Blair and GB2 would not have had to do it for him and us in 2003."

The UN remit in 1993 was to expel Iraq from Kuwait - this was accomplished. No '45 minutes' dossier, or going in with the illegal aim at regime change - contrary to the 1993 UK terrorism act I might add.

David Ossitt

"Marge Poops"

Is this another one?

Or Richard in drag?

djw2009

Conduct unbecoming a PM? Well, John Major would know! Like when he told Parliament it would turn his stomach to negotiate with the IRA, while he was negotiating in secret with the IRA! Or when he had an affair with Edwina Curry and sued a magazine that incorrectly identified the cleaner as the object of his passion - they were clearly right something was going on. Or when he signed up to Maastricht in violation of his oath of office? Oh yes, Major knew all about conduct unbecoming a PM.

adenuff

Conduct unbecoming?

Who am I describing?

‘Gained power in a bloodless coup. Held on to power by imposing a reign of fear within his inner court and by refusing to hold democratic elections. Gained the loyalty of the common people by ensuring that they had low paid jobs (if at all), no ambitions and depended upon state handouts for survival. Neglected the health of the common people. Ruined the economy of his previously wealthy country. Survived numerous attempts to depose him. Prone to making long rambling speeches. Arranged for the destruction of opponents. Bolstered his own self-importance by staging gatherings of his ‘loyal’ troops. Liked to stage events to show his ‘human side’. Censored reports by critical journalists and threatened those who spoke up against him. Blocked critical internet publishing. Thought that he had saved the World. Had delusions of ruling the World. Even when exposed did not accept any responsibility for failures, blaming those around him.’

Is it an insane, psychologically damaged Third World or Middle Eastern dictator?

Or is it someone closer to home after (we hope) the next General Election?

It is surely time for a regime change!

hadrian

I'm surprised that amongst the signs of Broon's desperation no mention was made of the beleaguered turning to the bugger, Lord M., who all unelected and representing nobody, sits at the heart of power and dares to pontificate on Tory duplicity, brazenly ignoring his own, less-than-persil- white track record.