Cameron denounces Labour's "lies"

Vulture

Yes, its high time that Dave reflected the rage that the rest of us feel abt the gang of corrupt criminals now in power.

Landale, despite being an Old Etonian, is, like most BBC journos, an oleganeous little Liebour stooge. I once reviewed a book he wrote abt an ancestor of his who killed a man in a duel in Kirkcaldy. (Bruin's constituency). It contained a quite unnecessary little footnote greasing up to the Prime Monster.

Diane C, London

We have wondered why Cameron has never, ever, used the word "lies" against the dishonest Labour accusations. Now that he has started, let's hope he continues. Because that is how most people regard every single utterance from a Labour MP's lips .....

luke

Erm DEATH TAX posters?

Chris lancashire

Yes, but why not scrap the ridiculous winter fuel allowance for all? For those who need the money put it on the State Pension. For the rest it will save the State the cost of a bloody good dinner - which is what mine went on.

Dorothy Wilson

Unfortunately, Diana, most people do not!

Verity

how pleased he was that we going to be a father again, letting slip that he and Samantha had been trying for another baby for a while" ... .

Uh huh.

General Zod

He needs to do more of this, given the standard rebuttal from the bunker is denial, i.e. to lie.

Moraymint

Yep. One word also neatly sums up my sentiments about the bunch of political gangsters and shysters that have been purporting to govern this nation for 13 utterly disastrous years: rage.

The regrettable fact is that when the rage of the greater citizenry starts getting vented on our streets later this year and into 2011 (a forthcoming consequence of draconian cuts in state spending and services that are inevitable), the gangsters and shysters I referred to earlier will have long since left the scene (as usual).

Like I've said before, I'm looking forward to somebody like Niall Ferguson doing a post hoc forensic analysis of the socio-economic catastrophe that will, with hindsight, mark the past 13 years of Marxism-by-stealth courtesy of Blair, Brown, Balls and Co.

Damn their eyes, the lot of them.

Marcus Cotswell

"Personally, I'm in favour of Cameron letting his anger show."

Indeed. Drew Westen's 'The Political Brain' makes a compelling case in this respect. If your opponent makes an unfair or unjustified criticism, esecially if it is against your values rather than just an individual policy, voters think you are weak if you respond to that in a cool, cerebral manner. From memory, I think Westen finds this holds true even if they agree with you on the issue in question. They respond well to the odd flash of anger 'in self-defence' because they are looking (subconsciously) for candidates to demonstrate strength and that includes fighting back when attacked.

Tiberius

Diane: politicians in particular should be careful about accusing people of lying. There is often (particularly in politics) a possibility of error or interpretation.

In this case, Cameron obviously knows that his party has no such plans, and so can use the word lie without fear of contradiction, smear, or obfuscation.

Number7

Tiberius:-

Calling the Tories liars didn't seem to hamper ZanuLieBore in 1997.

JohnPage

James asked Cameron about a Lib Dem plan to scrap the winter fuel allowance for pensioners under 65.

What's wrong with that?

Hysteria

@ Moraymint

but it seems to me that the the Great British Public will not take to the streets or get otherwise motivated.

Leaving aside the groups that do routinely protest, the vast majority are pretty much disinclined to actually DO anything. It's only when a specific issue engages a specific group do things start to happen (Fox Hunting, G8 meetings, Fuel protests come to mind).

So it will need to be a pretty big event/catalyst that will get the UK to actually force a change. I see it more like salami slicing, with no single issue being big enough to get large numbers of people on the streets.

And then of course - even if we do get the UK to make their feelings known - what will be the caliber of politician to actually hear the message and enact a change?

The first indicator as to which future course we will take will be in the GE - large turnout might indicate folk are beginning to wake up and smell the coffee - low turnout would tend to indicate continued apathy and drift.

Not long now......

David Raynes

The comment about paying the fuel allowance with pension is right on the button. The current way it is paid is just about the most inefficient way of doing it. Very costly administratively. It is duplicitously maintained that way for simple political purposes by Labour. It should be paid in two simple tranches, on the state old age pension, at the end of November and at the end of February. This would not only save on adminstrative costs, it would save on the borrowing requirement (HMG cash flow) by delaying half the payment.

General Zod

What's that supposed to mean, hag?

Noa Zrk

"..Then, James asked Cameron about a Lib Dem plan to scrap the winter fuel allowance for pensioners under 65. At this point, Cameron’s whole demeanour changed. He stood with his legs apart, stared straight ahead and denounced as “lies” Labour claims..."

Mmmm. Now that, James looks like a classic wall pass by your namesake to Anger Management Dave, as staged an event to me as the great Byers/Hoon/Hewitt Peoples Show Trial of ...er March 21st 2010.

Best be careful lest your blogs become known to CH'rs as Gullibles Travails!

General Zod

What about the death tax ad, luke? It was true.

Roy Simpson

John Page: The problem with that is that many people over the age of 65 are not in need. Benefits should be targeted where needed.

Stevie

Labour ARE liars-FACT. Stephen Byers, Labour MP, ex-Labour Minister-said he saw Labours Lord Adonis and Labours Lady Mandelson and that they changed laws for him for money-they said he did/didn't/might have/can't remember/can remember etc-but the laws did change. So, SOMEONE is lying-and that SOMEONE is a Labour politician who has helped to trash this country. The thing that should be being raised here is the very calibre of those at the heart of Nulabour.

In2minds

The first time I got the winter fuel allowance I spent it on a new rear tyre for my motorcycle!

Moraymint

Hysteria
March 23rd, 2010 1:44pm

I tend to agree that there is not/won't be "one big thing" that rallies citizens to the streets: the Brits (still) don't really do that sort of French Revolution stuff.

However, one wonders if we shall witness/experience a kind of rolling thunder of street protest, with one thing after another motivating people to get out and shout.

My own view is that over the coming years we shall indeed experience a succession of "bad things" happening in our economy which result in adverse reactions across society.

These "bad things" will be associated one way or another with a drastic cutting of public services, the equally drastic cutting of welfare benefits (we're really stuffed if we don't make these sorts of cuts), spiralling energy costs (and all that flows from that, as developing economies demand more energy than the earth can supply), the failure of our economy to shift readily into growth (partly because of those high energy costs), a lack of employment opportunities, continued tensions around uncontrolled immigration and our already overcrowded landscape, evermore stifling costs, laws and other restrictions emanating from the EU, and so on and so forth.

Our political caste has lost control and lost the plot over the past 15 years or so; we've been governed appallingly badly. We've now reached a tipping point. The next few years and beyond will bring a sea change in the way this country looks and feels. It's not going to be pleasant and some of our politicos know this.

How our politicians handle Britain's transition to a new and much poorer era will be interesting, to say the least.

Tiberius

Number7: I absolutely agree with your point, but when we had ethnic cleansing of the Tories by the public, the Labour party and the media, a few porkies didn't really gain much traction.

Greenslime

Awesome time to boot out an unnamed Israeli diplomat. 4th Estate immediately swivels from pig-swilling at the Palaces of Westminster and the pigs run for cover. You won't be able to find any of them in a couple of hours!

Moriarty

Verity is the Percy Alleline of the New Labour Circus.

General Zod

Interesting. More Jenny Greenteeth or Baba Yaga to me.

stephen

Good on yer Dave!

It's about time you showed them you are just at home in the gutter as the drawing room! After all thats where Brown Balls & Co feel more at home. Time to get the gloves off Dave and show your real steel!

Hysteria

slightly O/T but more on lies and a general excuse to grind your teeth -

http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/corrugated-corrigenda/

Moraymint

Hysteria
March 23rd, 2010 6:47pm

That link is superb ... oh, and utterly predictable and totally depressing, of course.

Bouchard

I for one don’t give a dam about Cameron showing his anger or his better side , I don’t give a monkeys about his latest addition to the Tory Elite, along with "let’s build a (new) super state Labour and that gang of idealists that occupy Downing street HE is just another symptom and child of post WW2 de constructivist post modernist anti everything about English/British cultural values and if anybody thinks that voting for his outfit is going to bring about one iota of traditional conservatism ( if indeed he wins) they ought to remember how far his party in a misbegotten attempt to capture the centre ground of politics in the last ten years have right royally dumped all of their traditional policies and values to the extent that you couldn’t drive a pipe cleaner between themselves and Labour.
Welcome to Blue Blair and the multi culti politically correct continuum part 2 agenda number 1 : lets apologise to the Muslims for something else , a bit more , just to show them we still love them.
Give a grant to the UAF
And bash those white working class people who dare complain that their country is falling apart

Bouchard

I for one don’t give a dam about Cameron showing his anger or his better side , I don’t give a monkeys about his latest addition to the Tory Elite, along with "let’s build a (new) super state Labour and that gang of idealists that occupy Downing street HE is just another symptom and child of post WW2 de constructivist post modernist anti everything about English/British cultural values and if anybody thinks that voting for his outfit is going to bring about one iota of traditional conservatism ( if indeed he wins) they ought to remember how far his party in a misbegotten attempt to capture the centre ground of politics in the last ten years have right royally dumped all of their traditional policies and values to the extent that you couldn’t drive a pipe cleaner between themselves and Labour.
Welcome to Blue Blair and the multi culti politically correct continuum part 2 agenda number 1 : lets apologise to the Muslims for something else , a bit more , just to show them we still love them.
Give a grant to the UAF
And bash those white working class people who dare complain that their country is falling apart

General Zod

Bouchard, please go off and learn to write prose.

Mike

Theres a very simple solution to the winter fuel allowance to make it fairer and thats to increase state pensions by that amount and scrap the WFA. Those on low incomes wont pay tax on the pension increase and those on high pensions will pay 40% tax on it. Throw in the civil servants you could downsize and the cost & savings will be a wash.

2trueblue

Long overdue. Liebore lies have been boring me to death for years.

Verity. What did Cameron do to you?