Lib Dems in the lead

Peter From Maidstone

When you say it uses a similar methodology to YouGov do you mean that the result is just made up to produce any required result?

Why are you just swallowing all these polls? Do you have no-one on your staff who knows anything about statistics and can actually provide a sensible commentary. You are turning the Spectator into the weekly equivalent of the Sun.

Bill Rees

I find this unbelievable.
My wife had been thinking of voting Liberal Democrat, but was turned off by Clegg's prissy manner in the debate.
So to hear that he apparently impressed so many people is puzzling indeed.
What a strange world we live in!

LittleEnglander

I'm a Dutchman if people really vote anything like this... isn't Clegg half Dutch or something?

Just looked out of the window and I thought I saw the the four horsemen of the Apocalypse: Brown, Mandelson, Clegg... and Cable.

In2minds

The LibDems go up while the pound goes down. Let's see what clever Cable has to say about that then. Although I think we all know the answer, join the euro now!

Stevie

Madness, utter madness. Will the last sane person leaving the UK please switch off the lights?

Roadrunner

This poll puts Cameron in a bit of a bind if the Libs maintain their position and form a government with Labour then the sovereignty of this country is lost and we will be using euros by 2015.So does Cameron continue his nice approach and lose or as he says he wants to, give the people more say.A referendum on Europe would bring back the voters now entertaining voting for UKIP.A definitive cap on immigration say 50,000 would turn some more from the BNP,these two policies would turn the tide,Cameron is not just risking the future of the Conservative party but the sovereignty of this nation.Is he a Churchill or a Chamberlain

chris as usual

Now we are into x-Factor politics we will definitely get what we deserve.

LittleEnglander

Roadrunner: I'm right with you re: sovereignty. Churchill or Chamberlain? No brainer, but let's hope he comes out fighting, at least. If you're going down you might as well go out with bang rather than a whimper. This could be unbelievable.

New Zealand looks nice but it would cost me several hundred thousand to buy myself in...

Man in a Shed

The Conservatives should strict to a clear and consistent message. Win or lose we need to be remembered for that, because if Brown is kept in power by the Lib Dems it won't be for long.

The Lib Dem spot in the lime light is closer to Sarah Palin than Barack Obama. It will crumble under pressure and scrutiny.

TomTom

Histrionic. Lib Dems would split before entering coalition with Labour as the Liberals did in 1931. Anyway, Cameron might get a job in a coalition under Alistair Darling - whatever happens Brown will not be PM in any coalition.

As for Euros, forget it, the one has huge problems which Credit Junkie Britain could only make worse. Britain is going to default on its debt

Silent Hunter

And yet the Lib Dems are the only party to actually put costs into the manifesto.

Perhaps people are just sick of the old Tweedle Dum & Tweedle Dee politics and want a real change rather than just another faux change.

Do I detect the sound of dyspepsia in the Labour & Tory camps?

Silent Hunter

Roadrunner:

I really don't think that the LibDems would be insane enough to get their fingers burned again by supporting Labour.

They know that Labour are poison to the majority of the honest and decent electorate.
If there is a hung parliament - they would be better to force another election which would probably see the political death of the Labour Party, which I think we would all like to see, after all the sleaze & corruption they have engendered in our country.

George W. Potter

Whilst the Lib Dems are a pro-EU party (though they do seek to reform it to make it more accountable) they will and have for years supported holding an âśin or outâť referendum on the EU. Admittedly theyâ™ll campaign for the âśyesâť vote (which I agree with) but I it does give everyone the chance to finally have their say on it. Itâ™s one of these relatively unknown policies that I try and sell yo eurosceptics when Iâ™m out canvassing :)

Charlie T

Think Brillo`s pretty much on the money.PR looks likely now unless there is an outright Tory win.De Hondt would be the best system from a Tory point of view.
That said I would still be surprised if LD support is much over 20% come May 6.

Doubled edged sword I know but the Tories should show posters of Brown,Balls,Mandleslime and the unspeakable Campbell next to a smiling Clegg with the words vote for him and get them.

Anan

Well if the oldie Trilobite tories who populate these forums believe this poll, which I am sure many of them do, I would say this: All this time they were saying that Cameron was unable to get above 40% in the (made up) polls because he was not talking about Europe and immigration enough. In fact, they still say it today, as the explanation for the "surge" for the Libdems. But the Liberal whimpocrats are on record, most recently at the debate on Thursday, as having an open door immigration policy with immunity to all illegals to boot! And with regards to Europe, they want further integration and even conversion to the Euro! So if their poll lead is increasing (which I and most other sensible people don't believe anyway), this adds even more evidence for the inanity of their stupid argument about Cameron's priorities!

Roll on May 6th!

Michael Booth

The whole debate last Thursday was an insult to democracy and the people of this country, let's be honest. The audience were indeed 'captive', unable to respond, ask supplementary questions or to challenge. The three members of our political elite offered no in-depth argument and told whopper after whopper. Nick Clegg was able to play the 'plague on both your houses' card and pretend he was standing outside the Westminster elite thing when in fact his party have been privy to and active in supporting many of Brown's policies. Yes he may be slightly more photogenic than Cameron (and light-years more so than the Prime Mentalist) but that doesn't make him credible for God's sake, and whoever has started comparing him with the Obamamessiah needs a darkened room and physical restraints. No, we have been hoodwinked, bamboozled and conned...except, we haven't. We know all this talk about re-vitalising politics and sweeping the Augean stable clean is just a smokescreen for same old same old. What I simply cannot fathom is why, when there is SO much ammunition to use against Brown, that Cameron fluffed it.

Charlie T

I think the Lib Dems pretty much milked all the soft Tory support from 1997 onwards (remember their absurd "decapitation" nonsense from 2005?).And after 13 years of Labour misgovernment I dont think the Tories would lose many votes in the opposite direction if they made a big play of a vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for 5 more years of ghastly Labour.Also most Labour supporters in Tory/Libdem contest seats have been voting tactically since 1997 anyway.So I dont think they should worry too much about pushing Labour voters to vote Lib Dem in these seats.

btw I dont know why so many posters here answer ROY postings.His inane belchings are devoid of any logic,satire or invective.They are just mindless toss.He cant even cut it as a wind up merchant.Leave him to stew in his own bile.You know it makes sense

TGF UKIP

The reason the Cameron Tories are in such a mess is, probably unwittingly, provided by none other than our James in his piece in the fanzine this week. Speaking of the manifesto, though it would apply equally to the whole campaign for the last four years, he writes "The whole cocktail is very Oliver Letwin and very Steve Hilton". To which he could have probably added "with a sprig of Osborne on top."

Even more surprising, though, is the comprehensive filleting it gets from arch Camerloon and quintessential Home Counties man, Chas Moore. And when such a super posh hack as he dumps on it, you know that the penny is finally beginning to drop even with the toffs.

Natasha

I said 6 weeks ago that it would be fun watching the Tories running around like headless chickens, trying to decide which way the wind was blowing when the polls stubbornly refused to move in their favour. Was I right, or was I right?

It's the economy, stupid. The economic message is too harsh and leaves the Tories extremely vulnerable to attack from both Labour and the Lib Dems. The Tories - specifically Osborne - seem to have thought they could fight this election using the same tactics Thatcher used in 1979 - being straight about the seriousness of the economic situation, promising only blood, sweat and tears etc. Unfortunately, the British electorate is completely different from the one that elected Thatcher in 1979. An entire generation has grown up under Blair and Brown thinking it's perfectly OK to throw litter out of car windows, even in country villages. They are completely consumerist and escapist in outlook. They don't want to be told that the debt gravy train can't continue, or that the public sector must shrink.

The Tories must cut out completely all the Thatcherite rhetoric and campaign on an explicitly One Nation Tory platform. If they do that, they are still likely to end up with a majority, albeit a small one. However, a lot of damage has been done (as I predicted 18 months ago) as a result of the Party's catastrophic decision to revert to a basically monetarist economic policy after the October 2008 financial crash. It was a mis-reading of the times, and above all a mis-reading of the modern electorate.

Snowman

what amazes more is that so many are still willing to vote for any of the three after the debate. Could the great unwashed forget their historic duty?

also, this is worth reading:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7575673/Dont-let-the-voters-know-we-face-bankruptcy.html

Nicholas

Ironic that it is England that stands to lose most from a Tory defeat. Not because the Tories even recognise England's legitimate plea for fairness in the Scots-dominated British and devolved parliaments, but because they are the least worst option.

DJM

George W Potter.
I think the LibDems did a reverse ferret and quietly dropped their EU In-Or-Out Referendum commitment a few months back; long after their promise of it had served its purpose providing political cover as they helped Labour grease Lisbon through. Clegg studied at the College of Europe, worked for a time for the EU Commission and was an MEP. 'nuff said. The Tories may have to do something radical soon re: EU, they are haemorrhaging badly to UKIP

Alex

Lib-Dem Councils are the most useless Councils in the UK - why should Lib-Dem MPs be any better.

In the European elections the overwhelming majority of voters were Euro-sceptic. It is hard to believe the UK will give a large vote to a party that will put us in the Euro in the blink of an eye.

Nevertheless, unless David Cameron can show he is a leader and someone who we can believe will look after our interests - the Tories will not win (and will not deserve to win)!

annassasin

A lot of hot air tonight, not a lot of light. It is simple. Does the voter want Gordon?. Do they hate him enough to do whatever is needed to remove him?. If not Dave is sunk.
How much of this weekend is hysteria, how much is genuine?. Can 10% suddenly believe they have found the solution to thier political desires. If the Tories have lost most, can they gain the same.
The best that the Tories can hope for is the Pound collapsing. The recent Gilt auction failure will encourage this.

All Dave needs to show is guts, so far it looks as if he has mineral water in his veins. His advisers appear to be SO out of touch. Saatchi posters are a joke.

The next Debate, foriegn affaires, Avoid the E.European dodgy Far-right tag, and nothing else should be a problem. Rip Gordon's tongue out, Pressure Clegg on Euro flip-flop, history, legislation. Show some guts. SIMPLES...

There is an alternative. Carry on like this, lose, then watch LIBLAB government become consumed in their own love/hate soup and see the economy crash then ride to the rescue (pick up the pieces), in my dreams.

james

Tory loss = PR = socialism forever = poverty/bad-immigration/good-emigration...

A posh pinko can't win this election, Hague can.
Cameron PLEASE do the honourable thing and resign.

Robert Williams

Brown's cosying up to Clegg will be complete when he can utter the name of Clegg's party, the Liberal Democrats, rather than insisting upon calling it the Liberal Party.

emil

So many I know (even family members) have fallen hook, line and sinker for Clegg's performance last week. Seems that Mandy knew exactly what would happen from these debates whilst Cameron thought he'd walk it. Looks like the next 5 years in the European region formerly known at the United Kingdom will be more of the same, but worse. Ironic, the worse Brown gets the more his chances of remaining PM increase...............

Richard of York

I hear the clinic in Switzerland is taking record numbers of calls from geriatric tories from the south east.
Poor old Ashcroft.....never has so much money been given in vain.

THX1138

"It's been another great week for our campaign"

George Osborne in his weekly election in e-mail .. I'm stuck in Mexico City and even from over here, I can that isn't quiet true is it George!

Tim W

In hindsight (well, what else is there?) the Conservatives should have chosen a policy of telling the blunt, unpopular, unspun truth. No flowery bits to make it nicer. Just tell the people that massive spending cuts will have to be made - don't give precise details but mention tens of billions of cuts across departments. Told people that with the massive debt, even if we cut it, the economy will not get back to what it was for decades yet. And they should have let the poll rating plummet but kept saying that this is what they believe the truth to be. People may then have rewarded their honesty and voted them in with a mandate to be savage. Or they could have chosen the spun, Gordon Brown version that cuts weren't necessary - and then watched as he led the country to oblivion together with his party's credibility. The Conservatives could then have run an I Told You So campaign next time round - one built on trust - and win it big time.

The problem is that tactical mistakes were made before, during and after the recession which meant that this stance could not be made. Hindsight is easy but Cameron has to come up with some plan. I don't think winning on an optimistic platform is sensible though. It is really not an optimistic future.

JONNY

Even now no one doubts the Tories will win the popular vote conclusively.
I also believe their better organisation, and older voting pattern (registered and certain to vote) will deliver on the day.
They will almost certainly add a couple of points from UKIP getting panicky.
And always historically they perform better than the polls suggest.
So they will have the most MPs too.
With only naive idiots like Richard taking UNS as gospel truth.
That will force Clegg's hand to let them govern - at least temporarily.

Mark Cannon

What is extraordinary - and suggests that the sudden rise in support from the LibDems is temporary - is that only 20% of the electorate watched the debate. Yet 10% of the samples have changed their voting intention on the strength of it. That is very odd.

I thought that, overall, Clegg did better than Cameron and that both did better than Brown. But I did not decide to vote LibDem as a result.

How do the Tories fight back? Well, Cameron has to hit back at Clegg. Foreign affairs has at least one promising topic: the failure to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. While Cameron is theoretically vulnerable on his "cast iron" promise, his fellow debaters are on much weaker ground and should find it hard to land that particular punch (in a way that Lord Pearson would not).

But Cameron needs to be ready to deal with the EPP point. The short answers are (i) "I promised this when I stood for leader of the Tory party and I keep my promises" (ii) we are not federalists and the EPP are, but most importantly (iii) our new allies are not Nazis and it is disgraceful to suggest that they are. Cameron needs to show outrage at this.

Standing back, the failure of the Tories to "seal the deal" with the electorate has left them vulnerable to what has now happened. It is too late to produce new figures to show how the deficit will be tackled, but not too late to lay into the LibDems for their supposed increase in tax revenue of £12 billion by closing loopholes.

Finally, is one person in ten really prepared to change their vote on the basis of one television programme which only some of them have seen? Not for long, I think.

Richard of York

JONNY dear boy.
The tories vote is collapsing and going to the Liberals, Labour are on or arounf 31 and have been for two years their vote is stable the tories are collapsing now down to 33-34ish....look for yourself. The people wanted a sign that there was another way other, they got it from the debate that your man insisted he be inculded in. The elctorate wanted an alternative to change (vote tory) now they have it Vote Liberal Democrats.
Why can't you see your man is not liked by the people even most of the tories dont like him so why should the people vote for him?
Trust the people they know what they want.

Beauchampkid

My parents live in Harborough, a 'safe' Tory seat. They have voted Tory since Thatcher, even in 1997. They will never vote Labour and wanted a change but have had reservations about Cameron. After the debate they called me to tell me they are voting Lib Dem, they were bowled over by Clegg, having never paid much attention to him before. They are (what were) typical Tory voters, they read the Mail, and now they want to unseat their Tory MP. We live in interesting times.

stepney

In all my born years I have never witnessed (and apologies to all PC enthusiasts), anything so totally and utterly MENTAL.

That the country's future can come down to one politician spraying platitudes around and looking into a camera lens? That's it?

Diana hysteria. On the basis of a 90 minute X factor? Surely in all that is holy we deserve something better than this?

If this goes all the way then by God, when we're a third world country the baying media are really going to have some questions to answer.

What a way to run a country....

Senor Frizby

If the polls represent anything then it is just how gullible a nation we really are. We deserve what we get. The Lib Dems are well meaning but they should not be let near the steering wheel. Labour have demolished their credibility. The worst reason for voting that I constantly encounter is the "We've always voted X!" with reference to their parents or region. Dyed in the wool precondition indicates complete lack of reason.

There is an unhealthy taboo about the Tories being evil that Labour propagate to toxify their opponents without any sound reasoning whilst they destroy everything in the name of reform / fairness etc.

We are truly doomed under the Labour flag and the site of Clegg with his hopes up makes my stomach turn.

Boudicca

LittleEnglander
April 17th, 2010 7:38pm

I'd have to knock a decade off my age - but I live in hope that my sons will see that they have no future in the UK and decide to emigrate. I will then (hopefully) have enough hard cash to be able to follow them out.

Nicholas

Richard the Dork: "I hear the clinic in Switzerland is taking record numbers of calls from geriatric tories from the south east."

That is a disgusting comment even for you and especially so from a supposedly "caring" socialist. It just demonstrates how full of vindictive bile you people really are. I have noticed before that many of your comments display a hatred or contempt towards older people and a presumption that all Tories are "old", "geriatric", etc. Not very appropriate for someone working in the NHS. Do your bosses know about your ageism?

YA

All 3 politicians are just, sadly, boring but nevertheless ambitious career bureaucrats - having no rights for the high position they dare to compete.

Noone took any physical risk while serving Britain.
Noone is educated. Law, economics and community organizing-style, mickeymouse education - don't count.
Noone has any achievements, except for shameful ones (Brown).
Noone is sincere, all are "political" to compensate absence of talent.

Look at Russia. At least Putin was in risky business of being intelligence officer.
Look at Germany. At least Bundeskanzlerin is Physicist by training.
Look at Israel. At least Netanyahu is former spec-ops soldier.
Look at Iran. At least Ahmadinejad was a revolutionary hostage-taker.
At least they are genuine characters.

But in the UK, the time of nobodies continues. So people instictively choose a least scary among 3 clowns. This one, with yellow tie. No surprise.

JONNY

All I was saying Silly Boy Richard
was that
certain implicit factors will help the Tories get a House of Commons majority on May 6. Whatever the Lib-Dem urge.
Solid considerations - not biased vapourings from a pubescent political greenhorn.
Be as blind silly facetious immature as only you can be.
It won't alter the event.

JONNY

Well Beachampkid you better tell them if they vote Clegg they'll get 5 more years of Brown.
That'll learn 'em.

strapworld

I have, at least, been consistent. I have said time and agin that Cameron is not a leader. He has no 'innder belief' he is a sham!

He showed us all how utterly useless he was in that brain dead 'debate???'. This was the 'ace' debater, the man who would knock both men down!! Now the truth is slowly dawning on many here that Cameron is going to, as I and many others have been saying for many months, is about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!!

IF he does talk about a referendum on Europe and a real cap on immigration and the TRUTH on what cuts he will bring in then he may have a chance. BUT that would need a 'leaders' mentality and he aint got it!

No Tory policies. No idea

PeteS

Clegg's popularity - as he himself encouraged in the debate - is simply a powerful message of 'none of the above' by voters faced with Brown and Cameron.

Why wait til post-election for a post-mortem on just how Cameron managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of an historic landslide victory? The answer will surely be 'because Cameron abandoned Tory values'.

The Tories could have easily have kept their core AND won a massive popular vote. Cameron could have promised an IN/OUT/TRADE-ONLY EU referendum and a Royal Commission on AGW science and its funding. His firm campaigning message?... "If the British people want to stay in the EU they will vote to do so" and "If climate science is sound the Royal Commission will find it so".

The opposition would have been instantly cornered and Cameron would have grabbed the role of the only leader putting British interests above all else.

John David Barnett

DJM

The Tories are NOT "haemorrhaging badly to UKIP". What tosh! One look at the poll figures quoted above should be enough to make you see just what an absurd statement that it.

The total for "others" is 9% according to this poll (and most others taken this weekend). Take BNP, Nats and NI parties out of that and UKIP have maybe 5%.

It is to the Liberals that we have lost so many votes.

Colin

If I were Dave, I'd now be taking a long, hard look at the people advising me. The only person with nothing to gain and lots to lose from these debates was Cameron, and, so it has come to pass.

Just the latest in a long list of strategic blunders.

charles hercock

The beauty is that at this early stage the only way is down for the wishy washy Liberals .Tinsel Nick cannot win Sky on Thursday

Alex Thompson

How can people who have voted Tory all their life then go and choose liberal? They are virtually opposites when it comes to social issues. The liberals believe people are fundamentally 'good', criminals can be reformed, immigrants will integrate, Russia wouldn't if given the chance have their tanks on the South East of England. The EU to them is a great thing as it is full of other socialists/liberals who share their views.

The Tories are realists, yes they are made up of spectrum of views but fundamentally they aren't utopian. They believe in looking to history and maintaining and fine-tuning institutions that have lasted for centuries - families, police, courts and Parliament. These are the exact institutions that the socialists, the social liberals and the fifth columnists have destroyed over the last fifty years. Just look at the Pavlovian reaction to an entirely sensible policy simply to recognise Marriage in the tax system - a whole generation has been brainwashed into thinking that things which have made this country great are actually bad or should be discouraged.

I can understand my generation being tempted by the liberals - they have been through the state education system, the PC world and watch the BBC and X-Factor. But older generations - what's their excuse? Laziness or ignorance IMO. Found out about the liberals they are the antithesis everything you hold dear.

2trueblue

Nicholas, I like you am horrrified with the 'Dick of Dorks' language. You have to go back to the labour MP that wa recently fired and look at his use of language. Liebore big wigs, Balls et al subscribed to his blog and it took 10mths for some one to realise that this was a highly inappropriate way for anyone to speak of the elderly. I would like someone to take the script and print it to show people what the Liebore party is really like. There is a hatred of the elderly that they perceive then to be 'coffin dodgers'. Those of us who have worked and contributed all our lives have in fact made this country what it is and that we can be percieved by the Liebore party as such is disgusting. This man had his blog/face book contributions on line and as said major players in the Liebore party contributed to it, and therefore were party to it. Saying that he has now been sacked is not enough.

Where is the Speccie in all of this????? WHy are you not showing us the real facts? This is real, it happened and yet no one has been called to account.

The X factor is really appropriate for what is going on, put your mark here. Idiots. It is a circus for the media to visit on us, a vacuous, ignorant, uninformed bunch of people who have grown fat on our money and belong to Liebore.

The £ will open down on the markets and if people do not get the message then they deserve what they bring on themselves if they think that Clegg/Cable can deliver a return to prosperity in either the long or the short run.

Liebore have demonstrated , in every term of their tenure that they wreck the economy and people also seem to not be unable tp process that fact. Frankly the UK is stuffed if the polls are right, but I can't buy into the results. 26yrs in research and these figures do not compute.

Cameron must pull it together now and realise that the flaws must be exposed and the 2 main things that people do care about are the EU and the size of our population. Both are in his gift to sort out if he gets in.

Derek

The elephants:

1. Brown and Labour wrecked the British economy
"‘We’ve printed money to buy our own debt. It’s real Alice In Wonderland politics.

'We have to ask the world if they want to lend us money. If we can’t shift the debt we’re finished.’ " (Frank Field. DT 18 April)

2. Immigration:

The Labour government let in hundreds of thousands of ignorant and in many many cases ideologically hostile immigrants to beef up its vote (Neather, as not analyzed by F. Nelson)

3. Europe's unaccountable bureaucracy (no audited accounts ever)has taken over our power to make our own laws. (Google it -"Keep Mum" is the policy of all three main parties.)

4. Our armed forces have literally had to rely on charity to equip themselves for overseas combat and are in the course of being handed over to the unaccountable powers that be in Brussels (breaking news).

So: economy, wrecked;
constitution wrecked;
armed forces wrecked;
society. wrecked.

Keep Mum! Don't mention the war - on the English people.

Richard of York

@ Nicholas

Are you having trouble getting the number from those men with moustaches?

echo34

Clegg is a one hit wonder.

He cannot come out on the next two thursdays and use the same phrases and methods again. The public will see he's a one sided record if he does.

He needs to stop slagging off the other two and show what he's got in his hand. That will be when he'll lose the momentum.

It's classic diversionary tactics, but it only washes once.

This hopefully is Camerons' coffee smelling moment.

As for brown, they might as well have a cardboard cutout turn up next week.

Moraymint

Anyone else availed themselves of this quick and fascinating test? It indicates for whom you should be voting according to your stated political policy preferences?

http://tinyurl.com/ydc7wvn

The scary thing is that I rattled through the test, answering honestly as the proverbial lifelong Tory voter, to discover that I am a fierce UKIP supporter.

The next closest match was to the LibDems (for God's sake).

A sad third was the match between my political views and the stated policies of the Conservative Party. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

What the hell is going on? Is it small wonder that my beloved Tory party is in chaos when it is losing or has lost so many hundreds of thousands, if not millions of voters like me?

I wonder if the Tory Party will ever recover from this, or whether I now live in the wrong country?

Nicholas

Richard the Dork.

If I wanted to identify you I would not need 118 118, of that I assure you.

Richard of York

@Nicholas

Ooh I am scared....nice tory!

JONNY

You're missing the big picture Moraymint.
Over 60% want a left-of-centre government.
Every poll states it now.
So what does it matter who leads or who does what?
Your beloved Tory Party is doomed. Doomed. Doomed.

Richard of York

Blimey JONY is finally taking his medication.
Welcome back to sanity and reason.

Holly ......

Now there's a REAL game changer!
Kirsty Williams,the leader of the Welsh Lib Dems,has just said on the Sky News Welsh debate,that they would give us an IN or OUT vote on Europe.
All you on here,who have banged on about this for god knows how long,will you now vote Lib Dem on May 6th?
How does this figure with their policy on joining the Euro or having our troops more inter mingled with a European military?
Is this a manifesto pledge?
Will they carry it through?
Any of you super duper journo's,will you now please get of the keyboard and go get a bit of clarity?
Thanks.
PS.If Adam Boulton chairs the next debate as he has this one,be prepared for a lot of
unheard rabble.
All talking over each other.Kirsty being exactly the same as Clegg..we are the saintly party.

Nicholas

Richard the Dork

Don't be. I've got better things to do (the clue was in the "if"). You'll eventually get your comeuppance and will probably be the architect of it. And, as much as you hate older people, you won't be able to escape becoming one yourself - faster than you think.

Toodle pip.

Moraymint

JONNY
April 18th, 2010 11:39am

Jonny, I fear you may be right - or left, if you see what I mean!

For me, it's remarkable how 13 years of socialism have now all but wrecked the British economy (we're living in a phoney economy right now, bought through debt and QE by the Labour government to keep them afloat until 6 May) and savaged the nature of our society ... which is now characterised, as much as anything, by inter-generational welfarism and unfettered immigration.

The fundamental problem is that the nuclear fallout from 13 years of Marxism has yet to settle on our economy and our society. All that will start to happen - with a vengeance - from next month onwards.

And by "onwards" I mean for the next decade and more, and probably longer than that ... Liam Halligan sums it up nicely here:

http://tinyurl.com/y5v7f4w

At the risk of sounding melodramatic, I believe we're inching towards socio-economic meltdown in the UK - for which ignorance is bliss for that 60% of the electorate you referred to earlier.

JONNY

Richard clearly
I must explain this very simply to you

no need for medication
just being facetious-like
leads me to wonder if you've experienced a phenomenom called
'tongue in cheek' yet

JONNY

Not to despair yet moraymint

as I pointed out somewhere above
there are good sound solid reasons why it's very likely we'll still have the most MPs

Richard of York

@JONY
yep heard of that and I think I recognise bul****t when I read it too.
You're on the same flip flop pills as Shameron then!