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Tuesday, 11th May 2010

The obstacles to a Lib-Lab deal

James Forsyth 2:35pm

The main development of this morning has been Labour MPs throwing up obstacles to a Lib Lab deal. At the moment there are four main problems. First, David Blunkett and others arguing that Labour would be better off going into opposition and—this is implicit—letting the Tories and the Lib Dems make the cuts. One union fixer told me Labour couldn’t go into a coalition with a party committed to cuts to benefits and tax credits. Second, Jon Cruddas, a champion of party democracy, has demanded that the parliamentary party, the NEC and the unions be consulted on the terms of any deal. Third, there are lots of Labour MPs letting it be known that they’d vote against AV so the Lib Dems might not get the main thing they want from a coalition. Finally, there’s speculation that if there was a Lib Lab deal a couple of Labour MPs might refuse to take the whip.

Lib Dem MPs are gathering again this evening and the current expectation is that this meeting will endorse some kind of deal with the Tories. But as we have learnt over the past few days, everything is subject to change.

Filed under: Election 2010 (598 more articles) , Hung parliament (90 more articles) , Jon Cruddas (23 more articles) , Labour (2142 more articles) , Labour leadership (387 more articles) , Liberal Democrats (1155 more articles) , UK politics (5406 more articles)

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Frank P

May 11th, 2010 3:08pm Report this comment

I suggest a couple of million people convening tomorrow outside the gates of Buckhouse (or Windsor, if she's out of town) I'll start the chant. Peaceful, of course, we don't want to frighten her. How about it Paul Dacre? Announce it open your front page! Failing that how about a blog petitition to the Queen. Not enough people read these blogs, I suspect to get the momentum going. But isn't there a conservative hack with enough initiative to start the ball rolling. A peaceful march of the Right - or a mass-petition to the Queen. Either will make a start. If somebody doesn't do something soon to lance the boil, some whacko will resort to a political assassination, we don't want that, do we?

Pardon? Who said that!!?

2trueblue

May 11th, 2010 3:13pm Report this comment

Cameron should have put a time limit on it and left it as it appears that Liebore are unable to do it either. Why should Clegg be allowed to flip flop from one to the other? It stinks.

Liberty

May 11th, 2010 3:13pm Report this comment

Typical Labour. They bring us to the brink of ruin and think it is better not to have to fix it but to oppose the government that is forced to fix it. The Tories must be prepared to play dirty and so change the UK into a small government, capitalist nation to ensure that the swamps that Labour have created are drained so that socialism is removed completely from the institutions of the nation so that Labour can never rise again.

The Bellman

May 11th, 2010 3:16pm Report this comment

Does anyone else sense we are heading into JG Ballard territory? One of the clearest indicators of desperate unreality was that 'Dr' John Reid and Adam Boulton appeared to be among the few voices of sanity yesterday.

I can feel English hackles rising in resistance to being relegated to mere impotent bystanders as odious, unelected parasites like Mandelson, Campbell and Adonis carve up even more of our electoral traditions in an attempt to secure their own narrow self-interest. It is not only 'not English' but indecent, and their presumption is crying out for rectification, preferably one involving gallows, or at the very least a diet of bread and water. A cataclysm cannot be far off.

More widely, there is absolutely no sense that any of these people - Brown, Cameron, Clegg, Steel, all the tired has-beens and recently-unemployed jerks that have thrust themselves before the pompous media dog and pony show on College Green - have any understanding of the gravity of their profoundly arrogant and short-termist actions. They might for all they seem to care be re-negotiating the terms of the terms of the Steve Biko Hall social committee. Truly a disgusting spectacle.

tb

May 11th, 2010 3:18pm Report this comment

And we say goodnight to labour, as they very publicly tear themselves apart, not even mandelson will be able to keep this sack of snakes together.

Things can only get better

Bored of it now

May 11th, 2010 3:18pm Report this comment

Tell them to take it or leave it. May the announcement now that Libdems are behaving in their own interests.

Frank P

May 11th, 2010 3:22pm Report this comment

Nobody can possible put the dilemma more succinctly or better than Steyn - the man is a 'king genius. And to think the owners of this mag let him go:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjhjNDI2MTNjZmFmNzhkYmEwMzBmZDg2ODY3N2I2M2U=

WASHBROOK

May 11th, 2010 3:23pm Report this comment

A new product on EBAY:_ CLEGG FLIP FLOPS.

Richard of York

May 11th, 2010 3:33pm Report this comment

Where are the intelligent speccies?

It seems like noone has ever had to negotiate before. Labour are saying this is as far as we go...Tories are saying no more on the table....libs are now impaled on their own duplicity.
If The Liberals drop PR/AV+1 then they have a choice of two ...stick to their demands they have a choice of zero.
So wind back two steps now where are the Liberals hearts?
Abstain is the most likely and then political wilderness for 30 years.
Join the tories and political wilderness 20 years. Join Labour and it all goes tits vertical equals wilderness for 15 years.
Poor old Cleggy....meanwhile the country goes to hell in a handcart.
What ever happens Clegg has pushed his party 10 steps forward but has to make a choice that will send them 8 or 9 back.
LOL its only bettered by watching Speccies dis-embowl themselves.
Happy Days!

Just had an email saying my application for a job in Florida has been accepted subject to references....lol Happy days
enjoy speccies I will send you a post card....lol

Double Gloucester

May 11th, 2010 3:44pm Report this comment

Beginning to think that David Cameron needs to behave like the Cumaean Sibyl with King Tarquin - for each day that Clegg fails to make up his mind, a portion of the package on offer to the Lib Dems is withdrawn.

John Mounsey

May 11th, 2010 3:48pm Report this comment

Richard of York - so you're off at last. Happy days indeed! I hope deckchair attendants in Florida get paid a living wage.

Senor Frizby

May 11th, 2010 3:50pm Report this comment

Labour have finally realised that there's nothing left to throw away or destroy. Better to let the Tories in to rebuild the economy and country so they can hopefully come back for another squander in a few years.

Lizzy

May 11th, 2010 4:28pm Report this comment

I take it your post at Disney World will be to your liking. I once stood and watched those teams of cleaners walking after the crowds following the main parade. They had to make sure every dropped cigarette butt was picked up. You'll love it.
If it doesn't work out you are eminently qualified to become a hanging chad. Bon voyage.

Osred

May 11th, 2010 4:36pm Report this comment

Richard of York 3:33pm

'Where are the intelligent speccies?

It seems like noone has ever had to negotiate before.'

Intelligent and/or honest negotiators dont hide the fact they are trying to deal with other parties. You are neither.

And as for...

'Just had an email saying my application for a job in Florida has been accepted subject to references....lol Happy days
enjoy speccies I will send you a post card....lol'

A rat joining a sinking ship - enjoy LOL HAPPY DAZE etc etc etc (yawn)

salieri

May 11th, 2010 4:39pm Report this comment

RoY,

Pity about needing references, eh, but don't worry, we'll all swallow our principles and offer them. Our loss is Florida's gain. But does the job involve working with ballot-papers? I think we should be told.

Richard of York

May 11th, 2010 6:07pm Report this comment

I may decide to up sticks and head for the sunshine but the internet still works and I shall enjoy jabbing with the old stick all you speccies enjoying your austerity.
Happy days!
Lalalalala
enjoy!!!!!

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