An odious spectacle

Rhoda Klapp

"message they put out is that of the jihadi menace and immigration. And, crucially, about Westminster parties all being the same - the “Lib-Lab con” as their election material put it"

And of course we all know better. Don't we? We all feel perfectly well represented by the three parties, don't we? And we all know that there is no tacit agreement between the media and the parties to just sort of not mention those issues, don't we?

Fraser, you ought to re-read this from the perspective of someone who feels he is not being heard. Cause you come over like an arrogant bastard and we all know that couldn't be so, don't we?

Chuck Unsworth

All of that being said, Griffin is no more entitled to be present than you or I. It's invitations only, and if invitations are withdrawn then so be it. This is Griffin desperately using any means to raise his profile. Best ignored, then. But the BBC - and The Spectator - are willing accomplices, or are dupes.

Liz

I can't stand the BNP, or indeed Herr Griffin, but banning him at every turn just gives him and his message more credence. Perhaps the PM, who seems to have forgotten that the Americans didn't even enter the War until late 1941, may do well to revise how Hitler rose to power.

Philip Margate

Typo!

there was zero chance that Her Majesty would allowed within 50 metres of him

Dennis Churchill

Liz
And only after Germany declared war on the USA.
But back to the BNP.
The BNP claim our political party system is a sham and the political class that controls them are all the same. It follows that if this was correct this same political class would not allow any party that did not support its views on say immigration or the EU a fair hearing.
They then ban him from attending meetings, that include other politicians, and keep prosecuting members of the BNP for various political Thought Crimes...

Dixon

" I can attest that the message they put out is that of the jihadi menace and immigration. And, crucially, about Westminster parties all being the same - the “Lib-Lab con” as their election material put it."

Funny that Fraser doesnt seem to know that these are also the opinions shared by the most notable Spectator blog columnists and ...I would imagine...most of their readership.

Funnier still if he thinks these opinions invalid, clinging presumably to the notion that we now have something at all resembling a Conservative government and that 9/11 and the 11000+ attacks on non-Muslims since are just the manifestation of a few isolated cranks, nothing at all to do with their shared ideology of Jihad.

Even funnier yet if Fraser thinks his views reflect those of real people and that those of Griffin do not?

James de la Mare

If the BNP represents the "abandoned working class" (which to many it does) and Griffin is invited as an MEP (which along with others he was) and the BNP got 900,000 votes in the general election (which it did), then it is absurd, rude and reprehensible to take back an invitation at the last moment (as HM the Queen's advisors have done) on the grounds that Griffin is political.

Nor is that any reason for journalists to go on endlessly about Griffin being an "odious thug" (an intolerant and ignorant distortion of the English language for which there is no evidence that cannot be levelled at dozens or hundreds of other politicians - even Lord Prescot).

If you want to criticise Griffin and the BNP, then please do so rationally and fairly - and equally to other parties. This man is not an ogre - he merely has the courage to state what hundreds of others in the UK feel but cannot express effectively. No wonder other politicians are fearful.

Simon Stephenson

"The remedy to Griffin is to persuade his voters, not his party hosts, that he is an odious thug who deserves no part in public life."

With respect, this is ridiculous. You're seeking to portray the idea that most BNP supporters aren't really like the party leaders: that they are normal reasonable people who if told the "truth" about the party would have nothing to do with it.

I think that this view is very misguided. Certainly it should be possible to bring many BNP supporters back into the fold of give-and-take politics, but it won't happen unless the white working-class is given some reason for thinking that its interests will be adequately represented by one of the mainstream parties. There's zero chance that this social grouping will be coerced into accepting representation by people who regard them as sub-human.

strapworld

Mr Nelson. I cannot believe that Her Majesty even knew about this. Some snotty official pressed by the media decided to act on HRH behalf. I do hope the Queen sacks the individual.

You may think the BNP is odious but without it people would not be aware of the true nature of immigration. Even your good self promised us all the truth but failed to deliver.

So, if we cannot rely on you, as we cannot, who can we? I am afraid that the BNP may only have a million or so votes but I believe far more would vote for that party if they had a more presentable leader.

That said, I doubt that the Queen would have barred a Muslim who had made speeches against our state, had such a person ever been invited!

However to bar Griffin was quite ridiculous and stupid. It shows a complete lack of political nous! but having, myself, attended two of these garden parties and enjoyed the cucumber sandwiches and orange juice! there would be no way that the Queen would have spoken to him, as those chosen to speak are especially chosen. I wasn't and my wife has never forgiven me!

The Queen was let down badly by someone today.

The people have been let down by so many people, not least you Mr Nelson!

TGF UKIP

Griffin does have course have one enormous saving grace - not only is he not one of your lot, Fraser, the London Lot, he's agin you and campaigns agin you. That's more than enough for me to give him time of day.

Tarka the Rotter

but Fraser, there IS a Jihadi menace... can't remember any Christian, Hindu, Taoist, Buddhist, Jedi Knight-ist, Gaian or Wiccan suicide bomber of late, unless I have missed something...

Tim W

I know this isn't really the topic but have you seen this article the BBC have written claiming that Free Schools will increase inequality.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-10725724

The person quoted is Dr Susanne Wiborg who wrote a book which was a "Tribute to Caroline Benn (Tony Benn's partner)". The BBC seems to be ignoring the majority of reports which says the school reforms are a good idea and just reporting the left-wing ones. Just thought I'd point it out.

AndyLeeds

Nick Griffiths is an odious man and I detest his party, like all socialist parties. But he recieved nearly a million votes and was elected perfectly properly. Her Majesty was quite right to have invited him along with other MEPs, but Griffiths was quite wrong to have used the invitation in such a manner. He knew that he was embarrassing Her Majesty and do so is dishonourable and bloody offensive. She is our Sovereign and also a lady. She deserves to be treated with far greater respect than was shown here.

TrevorsDen

TGF UKIP has let his slip show.

Griffin was using the visit for political purposes before he even got there so it was right to ban him.

I speak as someone whom has actually been to a garden party ans if I had found myself next to Griffin amongts all the Mayors of Batley and Aberystwyth and long serving dinner ladies I would have been disgusted. Indeed I would have felt honour boud to spit in his eye before I punched him on the nose.

Its absurd to have invited him in the first place.

JimB

Fraser, I thought better of you than to trot out the usual NUJ mandated hate-speak whenever the BNP is mentioned. Why can't you or any other journalist be objective when reporting on the BNP.

merlinthepig

Has Sir Andrew Green ever been invited to Buckingham Palace? Just thought I'd ask...

andrew

"There’s no market for their message of racism"

ummm, his market is one million strong. You say so in your post.

Adro

Oh dear, the nutters have all come out now Griffin is mentioned.

For all you moaning that Fraser's comments here don't represent 'real people', and that 'real people' are more likely to support Griffin's moronic and warped ideas, I would have thought the election would have been a wake up call. Seems to me the real people, who make up the population of the Barking and Dagenham area, saw fit to kick the vile BNP thugs off their council, and stop Griffin's attempt to get into the commons dead in its tracks.

If, as TGF UKIP puts it, Griffin is good because he is "agin [sic] the London lot", of which Fraser is a part, I am quite proud to declare myself part of the 'London Lot' against idiots like Griffin alongside Fraser and the good people of Barking & Dagenham.

Still TGF, I suppose you must have some sympathy with a minor party that thought it would make big gains in the election, yet had its top guy - a major media figure - stopped dead in his tracks and failed to win one seat.

TomTom

"or indeed Herr Griffin"

What's this "Herr Griffin" rubbish ? He is not German, does not speak German, so why call him "Herr Griffin" ?

The Queen's uncle had more to do with Nazis than Nick Griffin. It is tiresome how trivial people like Liz can be with their self-righteous anti-German priggishness

Adro

@TrevorsDen - Well said!

Another addition to my previous posting. All those moaning about some ridiculous, imaginary 'LibLabCon' either need to actually learn about politics and observe business in the house, or (and this is more likely) realise that the reason the main parties don't fit in with your worldview, and people like Griffin do, is because you belong in the same loonybin of swivel-eyed nutjobs he does, and you will never win power. Primarily because (despite your protestations) no Briton with half a braincell actually agrees with you. Saying 'ooh, I don't like immigrants' randomly down the pub doth not an electoral statement make. The very same people will go to a ballot and go for a pragmatic and sensible policy, rather than the half-witted ravings of fringe candidates.

Snowman

TrevorsDen @ 8.27:

The man who, given half a chance, would repatriate a lemon ain’t a friend of mine. However, to spit in his eye, mu blogging friend, would amount to spitting in his eye of the near million people who voted for him. You would have done well under the commies of the East, I reckon.

Kenny Dee

Fraser, you are nothing more than a pompous prat.

His daft blog gets more readers than this daft blog.

Can you please explain how Griffin is a thug, does he have criminal convictions for football violence, any for assault. What has he done to be called a thug? And who are you to say he deserves no part in public life. He has just as much right as any other person does, just because you don't like his views or the party's views. If that's the case Idiots like you don't deserve any type of public forum for you to write your political BS.

Jez

..... so very f*cking tired.

lescam

Griffin should never have been invited in the first place, MEP or not. The party he represents is despicable in its policies. However, once the damage was done, it would probably have been wiser to have allowed him in and then made damn sure he never got within 100 yards of the Queen. That way the little prat could never have got the airtime he has now, thanks to Sky and the BBC.

The only person who comes out of this with credit, is Peter Tatchell, who has my whole hearted admiration for his record of speaking his mind to creatures like Griffin. I used to laugh at Tatchell, but have now changed mind, after his brave attempt to "arrest" Mugabe, etc. Good man.

Austin Barry

How does this silly ban play to the seething white underclass - the Moateys as perhaps we should call them?

Not well, I suspect.

Trouble ahead, and closing fast.

Verity

Kenny Dee is correct. That you donīt approve of Griffin's views is irrelevant. He has struck a chord with a large segment of the electorate - a million adults is not exactly a smattering - not least because his outrage over what has been engineered, against the will of the people, in our country is genuine and strikes a chord.

Why is it that the deeply trite word "racist" is so eagerly, slavveringly deployed against anyone who defends his country and rejects having it overrun by individuals with no history here, no background or loyalty, and an aggressive streak? Kindly elaborate. Griffin is being subjected to the same thought nazis as the joke Jacqui Smith and the lovely Lord Ahmad.

Mr Griffin has a large following. He was elected, which has earned him a voice.

I wish you people - meaning the ghastly political correctoids - could stop banging your spoons on your trays because he and his party members regard your views with contempt.

I do respect though, Fraser, the amount of work you must be putting into your promised, albeit delayed, Neathergate Report. I look forward to reading it.

Verity

Lescam - I don't laugh at Tatchell, because he is a deeply destructive and ignorant agent provocateur.

1. He doesn't understand that a phobia is an intense, irrational fear. It doesn't mean hatred or disapproval. Ailurophobia is an intense fear of cats, for example. So his "homophobic" ir grossly ignorant on two counts. The second count is, in Tatchell's milieu, obviously, "homo" can't mean anything but "homosexual", when all it is is the ancient Greek word for "the same". Homogenous milk, for example. Homo sapiens.

2. He was stupid enough, or just so overcome with the drama of the moment, starring himself, not to understand that French law is not the same as Anglo-Saxon Common Law, and that, in France, the Napoleonic Code applies.

There is no such thing, in Paris, as a "citizen's arrest", where he tried to effect one, for the cameras, against Mugabe.

Peter Tatchell is a tiresome, destructive and ignorant man.

Herbert Thornton

All the attempts to portray Nick Griffin and the BNP as the most evil political force that has ever existed in Britain are very much reminiscent of Winston Churchill's description of Democracy - that it is "the worst form of government - except all the others that have been tried."

when we look at all the other political parties and the way they have deceived and betrayed - and are continuing to acquiesce in the undermining and destruction of their country and its citizens - what rational basis is there for believing that Griffin and the BNP are worse?

Noa Zrk

Fraser.

I believe that, unusually, you have not done yourself or Nick Griffin justice in this instance.

Griffin's rather grubby question soliciting apart, his voice speaks for a silent multitude whose concerns would otherwise be ignored.

It was wrong for his invitation to be withdrawn. It appears both shallow and spiteful to gloat about it.

Noa Zrk

"this racist party gets votes by exploiting legitimate concerns that are too grubby for the other parties"

But Fraser, if they are "too grubby" who will address them?

Dixon

"TrevorsDen
July 22nd, 2010 8:27pm

...I would have felt honour boud to spit in his eye before I punched him on the nose."

So I suppose that makes him the "thug".

Wilhelm

Strange how Fraser has the time to scribble a very long winded comment of fake indignation about Nick Griffin but doesnt have the time to write about Neathergate !!

Wilhelm

Fraser squeaked that '' liebour are too thick to come up with something as soo devious as Nethergate.'' so thats why he wont do a comment about it. So there !!

A bizarre and far fetched get out of jail excuse, but NO one is buying it. Fraser must think the readership was born yesterday. The reason he wont write the piece is because he doesnt want to be accused of being a waaycist. Thats more like it.

porkbelly

Does this mean Prince Philip will also be disinvited?

Herbert Thornton

Despite the site's assurance several hours ago that my posting would appear "in a few moments" it didn't. So this is a second attempt....

These repeated efforts to portray Nick Griffin and the BNP as the most evil political force ever to have emerged in Britain bring to mind Winston Churchill's definition of Democracy as "the worst system of all, except for all the others".

Go on asserting that the BNP are bad if you like, but consider, among other things, the horrendous effects of the other parties' slavish submission to political correctness, and of their reluctance to raise a finger to curb undesirable immigration - especially the extremist Islamic elements of it (let alone stop or reverse it). Consider the extent to which all the other parties have acquiesced in the undermining of their country and deceived the British people about Europe - and continue to do so.

Then of course the BNP is the worst party of all. Except for all the others.

Summer

I would say the BNP has scored another victory in its campaign to prove that the 'political-class' are all the same, and have no sympathy with British people who don't accept unfettered immigration. Has the Raoul Mote Facebook page taught you nothing? You are ignoring the signs of deepseated resentment, which will cause trouble before long.

Each time this happens, more and more people start to sympathise more and more with the cause of the BNP, if not the BNP itself. You can see it in the comments here and elsewhere. We know what un-British really is !!!!!!

Fraser, I will agree with a number of posters. I cannot believe a right-wing, person, who is supposed to employ commmon sense, and objective analysis, would come out with the pompous cant and twisted logic, that hallmark this piece !! It is not up to you to say who should and who should not be in public life. And, I could think of a number of people who now sit in the House of Lackeys, who deserve your ire for offences against the state, far more than Nick Griffin

Cornish Lifeguard

Mr Nelson - have you ever met a real live white working class person - someone who is sick of being pushed to the back of every queue there is because fawning on immigrants is fashionable amongst out 'betters'?

One small example: the last Labour government forced through anti-white anti-British legislation which made it legal to discriminate against indigenous British people in employment. Cast Iron Dave's lot said they would repeal this fascistic idiocy if they were elected. However, Cast Iron was forced to enter into a coalition with the traitorous Lib Dems and part of the price was that the racist employment laws would not, after all, be repealed. Within days of the coalition assuming power, the anti-British racist Lib Dem Council in Bristol were advertising vacancies that were reserved for 'black and ethnic minority candidates only.'

Does the white working class feel abandoned and insulted by the political class as a whole, regard the LibLabCon trick as a single anti-working class party? Damn right they do. I shall continue to vote BNP until indigenous British people have the same rights as recent third world immigrants.

Andy Carpark

Geordie goes to a Buckin'ham Palace garden party.

The Queen says, 'Will you have an éclair or a meringue?'

Geordie says, 'Nah. Yer reet, Ma'am. I'll have an éclair.'

Wor AYE!

Clear Memories

Jim B - take a look on the NUJ website at the 'guidance' for reporting matters involving the BNP and you'll find the answer to your question.

No free press or accurate exposes where the BNP are concerned, just a concerted and continuous left-wing drivel with any deviation punished in the usual union way ie no job thereafter.

As a number of other posters here have commented, the presence of the BNP defines democracy and tolerence. I suggest those opposed to these concepts join their true bedfellows, the jihadists. When BNP members start exploding during the political and religious gatherings of their opponents, I might start to worry about them. Until then, their presence and growing membership give some of us hope that the UK, as a concept of freedom and equality, might survive.

John Findlater

Has Nick Griffen been guilty of killling people, like Idi Amin, Robert Nugabe and many other African butchers,,,NO. yet the Queen has met, talked with, dined with all these people.

Has Griffen been guilty of giving succour and support to our countries enemies like the Labour party and trade union people who activily supported the Soviet union,,,No. yet the Queen has talked with, dined with,and in some cases enobled these people.

Has Griffen activily been behind the bombing, shooting murdering and torture of British citizens, like the IRA,s Adams, McGuiness etc,, no yet the Queen has chosen to meet these reptiles.

The establishment (who clearly hate white British people) had better beware,,Moat needed hundreds of police to get him,, imagine if half a million white Brits pick up a gun.
As for the Queen, I used to be a staunch Monarchist,,,not any more especially if the Queen behaves like a socialist.

strapworld

I had a Geordie pal who told me that each day, whilst walking to the pit where they worked, he and his two pals played eye spy.

One day one of them came up with Eye Spy with my little eye (In a broad Geordie accent) something beginning with L.L.

The other two had exhausted all the possibilities they could think of by the time they reached the pithead. "Come on Geordie" they said "What the heck is L.L."

Simple said Geordie "Lectric Light"

Have a good day!

liz

Pardon me Herr TomTom.

Ahmed Khan

I find everything about Nick Griffin and his BNP sickening, but appreciate that some extreme right-wing Coffee Houser’s (like Fergus Pickering and Beer Moth) will not agree with me that the BNP is nothing but a bunch of Illiterate Nazi thugs.

However, banning Nick Griffin from the Garden Party is in my view a sad day for Britain and our great democracy. Apart from the publicity which the BNP is milking from this action. It is important to remember that he is a Euro MP and his party did command in access of 1 million votes in the recent General Election.

We cannot move our democratic goal-post just because we do not agree with someone’s opinion and over 1 million British voters agree with Griffin and his BNP.

For BNP to get into power and implement it’s (however evil) policies it must first get elected by the British public. This means that it would be the democratic will of the public. Who are we to disagree with this possibility?

Tiberius

It does seem, Fraser, that whenever Griffin enters the news, you feel the need to reaffirm your hatred of racism and fascism. Why does he get to you so much?

Brown was much more of a threat to the welfare of people in Britain that Griffin will ever be (and not just because he was party to the New Labour immigration scam). Yet you've never taken the tone over Brown that you do with Nicky-boy.

And worse, you've fallen for a TGF UKIP wind-up.

William Boyd

Can't see your point. He wasn't banned from an invite to the tea party. His invitation was withdrawn because he tried to make political capital out of it and quite rightly so I think.

I think you overstate your point about the BNP picking up votes from a working class abandoned by the Labour party. You could equally say that there is a bourgeois middle class which has been abandoned by the Tory party and I expect he has the same appeal for them. Indeed Hitler began his party as a socialist party but he eventually gained power by manipulating a middle class fearful of communism.

The fact is that BNP appeals to racists across the political spectrum. It is not a successful partly because Nick Griffin is such a buffoon and partly because the odious philosopy (largely developed incidentally by the English charlatan Houston Stewart Chamberlian)of a master aryan race finds no resonance in British culture or character but mostly indeed because of the British tolerance you speak of.

I don't think his supporters will ever be persuaded off him, themselves odious thugs I should judge (the Facebook 'Raoul Moat is Legend' affair reminds us that there are plenty of those at large in our society).

Indeed we should take them seriously and that means moving against them when they step out of line as Griffin did by trying to manipulate the monarchy for the benefit of his party.

Buckingham Palace was quite right to withdraw the invitation.

Ahmed Khan

@Tarka the Rotter – ignorance is bliss! You seem to have forgotten that the IRA, Bader Meinhoff, Ata were all Christian extremist. Also Nazi Germans were Christians.

Mike

I’m saying this racist party gets votes by exploiting legitimate concerns that are too grubby for the other parties. ---

Thats the whole point I thought about all politicians. If mainstream parties can't address mainstream concerns then someone will step in and do it but you can't blame their supporters when Lib-Con-Lab have swept the Islamic cultural issues into the long grass for too long. Had Cameron had the bottle to have raised these cultural issues, backed Britain for the majority and put up with no truck from a very small amount of radicals, he wouldn't be in a coalition party he would be in complete power. Sorry DC, you had the chance but you blew it in the name of political correctness.

MikeF

Verity - entirely agree with you about Peter Tatchell. He is intolerant and self-righteous - an exhibitionist and control-freak, who epitomises the sordid reality of the 'politics of diversity' i.e. he tolerates anything that does not involve the expression of opinions he dislikes.

TomTom

"Ata were all Christian extremist. Also Nazi Germans were Christians."

Stop using Christian as an ethnic designation. The Nazis were atheists harking back to Pre-Christian Teutonic Paganism. Ulrike Meinhof was a journalist who suffered severe personality disorder after an operation to remove a brain tumour.

We really don't need Mosque Propaganda attacking Christianity or Judaism so perhaps you could desist and read some serious history before engaging in provocative statements

JimB

@ Ahmed Khan. As you say, ignorance is bliss! Where on earth did you learn that the IRA were 'Christian extremists'!?

I suggest you read a bit more on British history. The IRA was an amoral bunch of murderous cowards, at least on a par with today's Jihadis. I cannot ever remember them claiming their actions were driven by a faith in Jesus Christ

Wilbert Friesen

yes the BNP is an odious party but they are right in claiming that te Libdems, Conservatives and labour are one and the same.
Political Correctness is destroying your country and you don't even see it.
Tolerance of intolerance is tolerance ?
Where's the spirit of Churchill ?
You even have parallel sharia courts ?
Unique in Europe
Open your eyes !
For God's / Allah's / Darwin's sake.

I love England and it hurts me to see it
deteriorate.
There's no backbone anymore.

But I also lament for my friends over there for they have no choice.
They can chose for the 'away with England'- mentality of the Libdem's, labour and Tories or for the racists of the BNP.

Europe is changing (France, Danmark, Flandres, Holland, Austria, Spain (Barcelona banned the Burka) and England is still on it's path of self-destruction.

Ahmed Khan

@TomTom - so you dont acept that the IRA was a Catholic organisation or that child abuse is widspread in Chritian churches... What a bigoted T?at you really are...

Ahmed Khan

@ Tom Tom - I have nothing against Christianity or Judism. I just detest terrorists regardless of religion and crimes against children and bigots...

Rebel Saint

@Ahmed – The IRA were Christian extremists were they?! The clue was largely in the name. They were a nationalist political organisation - Irish & republican to be precise. Don't remember them quoting Biblical texts as justification for their killing sprees. Don't believe everything your Iman tells you!

TomTom

"@TomTom - so you dont acept that the IRA was a Catholic organisation or that child abuse is widspread in Chritian churches... What a bigoted T?at you really are..."

No. The IRA was NOT a Roman Catholic organisation - neither the Official nor Provisional. It was Marxist, its Manifesto was Marxist....it emerged from the 1968 Marcusean Dialectic as so much terrorism emerged from 1968.

So I am "a bigot" am I ? that's lovely Ahmed Khan. Thank you so much for your charitable comments. I do know how much child abuse is endemic in Mosques in this country and goes unpunished. I know just how much young girls are beaten into submitting to forced marriages.

I know also that in 1937 Hitler started an attack on the Catholic Church claiming pederasty was widespread leading to Mit Brennender Sorge as a response to intimidation by The Pope.

The harassment and press campaigns succeeded in bringing the Church to heel and the Secular Government continued with its politics.

Funny how such things go in cycles

Ahmed Khan

@TomTom and @Rebel Saint

Like typical bigots you two are jumping up like demented chicken . For your information I have learnt absolutely nothing from an iman but all my worldly knowledge comes from a Rabbi who brainwashed me the following facts:-

IRA – Evil
Al Queda –Evil
Ata – Evil
Bader Meinhoff – Evil
Nazi Germany – Evil
Kiddy Fiddlers – Evil
Taliban - Evil

The reason why my Rabbi thinks all the above are evil is ‘they all terrorized innocent human beings.’

George Laird

Dear Fraser

Good article which articulates why fairness is important.

You don’t have to like the views of Griffin to treat him fairly and as you say, he did win his seat fair and square.

This highlights the nature of corrupt Britain, something I blog on all the time.

Some CoffeeHousers believe it is okay to have a glass ceiling, kind of makes a mockery of inclusiveness.

“One woman said: “He’s a person, like everyone else. You don’t have to believe his opinions.” This is the British way: tolerance”.

It is however not the Political Correct (PC) way which Britain operates under.

Rhoda Klapp, calling Fraser a “bastard” was wrong, I scrolled down to see if you apologised.

You didn’t.

Finally, I like coming to the Spectator because it gives diverse views even if I don’t agree with everything written.

It also allows us to debate such issues and less we forget here the writers like Fraser will come back, argue and defend their articles.

This place is a goldmine of independent thought; let us not clutter it up with abuse.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

Tarka the Rotter

An even more odious spectacle was seeing Keir Starmer deliver his decision not to prosecute the policeman who assaulted Ian Tomlinson, resulting in his death. Shades of jean-Charles de Menezes. The message is clear - "We, the authorities, hold you, the people, in utter contempt. Deal with it..."

TGF UKIP

Dave and the Mekon made the the THX 1138s of this world their strategic target and have now got, by default and their own inadequacy, exactly the form of government they would have wished for. And you have happily thrown in your lot with them, Fraser; "Victory" you called it.

You may not like being fingered as a typical Villager with all the preconceptions and prejudices of the Village, but that's exactly what you are.

When I see you and the Speccie getting really stuck into this bunch ultra PC, green, SocDem London wets, nobody will cheer louder than I.

wilma

I am not a POm and there fore not qualified to comment but I would like to know the exact reasons the "odious Mr Griffin" is not allowed the freedom of speech whilst Mr Livingston was able to bring into the country a man to lecture the London Police force who espouses the murder of the the non Muslim British population enmasse.

Chuck Unsworth

@ Fraser

"Chuck, if all parliamentarians are invited to the party then so should Griffin be: that’s my point."

Any evidence that all parliamentarians are so invited? Gerry Adams, and Martin McGuinness for example? I don't recall them being invited to HM's Garden Party.

Maybe we could have a little clarity here. What are the conditions for receipt (and withdrawal) of these invitations - and exactly who determines that?

Barbara

What right as anyone to say Mr Griffin is a thug, nazi, or anything else. Do they know him personally? Its norm at the moment to demonise Mr Griffin, to go along with the rest of the newspapers and media, and journalists; but the fact is people listen to him and his party and voted for them, like it or not. He's addressing matters that do concern them, housing, jobs, finance. He actually tells you as it is, and that's the crux of the matter, telling the truth. We've gotten so used to being lied to, cheated, stolen off, its become the norm to accept it. NO, this article is wrong in many ways, like the BNP or not, you cannot keep ignoring their exsistance and what they say. The masses are listening even if the elite are not and that's where the danger dwells. Its the poor of our society that know they are not with the rest, Labour as let them down dramaticly, they have become a working class elite to the detriment of the masses who have little. Even if poor, many are educated, don't be misled; Mr Griffin himself is very educated and make no mistake himself and the party will go forward. I'm no voter for them, but I'm also aware of the things that make them popular. In the Midlands it obvious, if you don't beleive me come and take a stroll round Birmingham, then may be you will see what Mr Griffin preaches does have meaning for those who are disenfranchised from the society they thought was totally theirs. Meaning white youngsters who see this once great country being taken over slowly. Open your eyes and take a look.