The Islamic Republic of Tower Hamlets

denis cooper

Tunbridge Wells, near Tonbridge. Not that I've worked out the relevance so far!

Blofeld's Cat

Usually spelt Tunbridge Wells by those who are "disgusted of ..."

Bloody Bill Brock

The Tower Hamlets were once the billets for English fencibles and men at arms, along with their women and kids. Now look at it.
Livingstone and his like should be locked in the soding Tower, with a very heavily built homosexual for a cellmate.

Mat

I walked passed one of the polling station and his supporters out numbered the voters by about 10:1.

Was was more concerning was they were handing out flyers that had a sample polling card on the back to show people where to put their vote.

Anthony

I find the whole thing very odd. Apparently, the population of Tower Hamlets is over 50% white (if not much over 50%) and around 70% non-Muslim and yet the impression one gets from reading the reports on the matter (and admittedly with the partial perspective of an outsider looking in), elections in the locality appear to basically amount to Labour battling Respect/IFE/various unpleasant types for 50% +1 of the Bangladeshi vote, while everyone else sits on the sidelines. As Gilligan notes, Labour only needed to mobilise a very small proportion of the white (or non-Muslim minority) vote in order to force the election to go to second preferences and not much more than that in order to win outright. Yet for one reason or another, they seem to have been content to let the election hinge on an intra-communal bunfight. They also seem to have taken on a tacit assumption that the only way anyone can win in Tower Hamlets is by adopting a Muslim candidate, as witnessed by the odd decision to leapfrog their second placed mayoral candidate in favour of Mr Abbas, who had polled a poor third.

Ricky

1930s Japanese Shintoism - supremacist, blind obedience, fundamentalist, power at any cost, militaristic, violent, a death cult, arrogant......the similarities to resurgent Islam are palpable.

Millions of people were to die in the Pacific theatre. Because no one would face up to reality prior to direct aggression.

50 Muslim countries appear not be be enough and the Islamification of Europe (and Judeo-Christian Israel & Lebanon) is about to begin, with the full support of Sharia BBC and the Liberal Elite.

This greedy for power and conquest (by bullet or by ballot) will overwhelm us all and will end in bitter tears.

Bloody Bill Brock

@Ricky
Whilst I am reliably informed the Taliban are good soldiers (in their own way) I do not see the Syrian, Libyan, and Egyptian armed forces as being the new Knights of Bushido.

Austin Barry

This will be the first of many Islamic Republics to be established in the UK.

We will just have to get used to it and savour the wailing of the Muezzin, the sinister shuffle of the burqua, the rattling of stones as the adulterers' killing pits are prepared and the rasp and sparks of the genital mutilation knives being honed.

'There'll always be an England...'

Yeah, right.

Peter From Maidstone

Austin Barry, why do we have to get used to it? I am quite happy to join a mass protest. am happy to add my name to a petition. What has happened in Tower Hamlets is not democracy and I think that all democrats and patriots should be kicking up an almighty fuss.

benny

How pathetic you all sound,you've thrown in the towel already, this is your country, fight for it, dont just lie down and take it.

Frank Sutton

There's a lesson to be learnt here on how to win an election on a ticket that appeals to only a minority of the population.
How did he do it? I'd be interested in seeing some serious analysis of this.

Dennis Churchill

So maybe now we can understand the rise of the English Defence League.

Verity

David B - With respect, (I don't know whether there's a sub or the writers write their own headlines) I think the use of such phrases as "islamic republic" in describing an area of Britain are hazardous because they accustom people to the phrase and usage.

Peter From Maidstone

I'm not throwing the towel down. I will not be a dhimmi nor will I let my children by dhimmis.

benny

Peter from Maidstone

Glad to hear it, for it will be our children and grandchildren, who will pay the price for labours Treachery.

Occasional Ostrich

BBB

Heavily built cellmate?

I thought being locked in the tower was supposed to be a punishment.

In2minds

This is the most important story of the month, far more important than the cuts to the armed services. Two aircraft carriers won't prevent this happening again. I spotted this brewing up weeks ago, Ken Livingstone will be far more of a problem to Labour than Peter Mandelson ever was, it's even going to cause the coalition problems. Ed Miliband is too weak to deal with Livingstone and the unions who backed EMili won't know which way to turn.

This is what Gilligan has said in another Telegraph article - "I’ve been working on this story for more than a year. Most journalists, however, aren’t allowed the time to do in-depth research; they have to go with what people are prepared to say in front of their TV cameras or at their press conferences. But though senior figures in Tower Hamlets Labour were happy to speak on background, virtually none would ever go on the record".

I read that as joint failure of the MSM and the Labour party.

Fox in a box

I live on the Isle of Dogs which is a very mixed community. There is a good sprinkling of original islanders still here, a minority bengali community, assorted blow-ins from other parts of the UK, and a large, transient community of Canary Wharf workers from various other countries.

By far the only community which engaged with this election was the bengali community. Foreign bank workers don't care, white working class people couldn't be bothered, other UK natives like myself (I'm a SE London boy) could be forgiven for not knowing an election was taking place (despite the valiant efforts of local conservative activists).

Such as happened then the whole thing was successfully hijacked by the "community leaders" within a highly closed community, and they got the result that was required for their agenda.

In shadwell, whitechapel, poplar, bethnal green and the likes, not much happens without the say so of the Imams.

Karen

As a lifelong resident of Tower Hamlets I can honestly say that it is at times like living in another country. Every official phone line and form is in Bengali and English. Of the white English people living in the borough many are now elderly there is also a large proportion of people on benefits and for some reason or another people do not seem bothered enough by local politics.There are still wworking east end families here alongside professionals living in the dick developements however the voters amoung them just were not enough to stop this. I am aware a lot of elderly people are too frightened to go to vote here as a commenter already remarked about the sheer number of supporters at the polling station. A huge group of men dressed in strange dresses shouting in a strange language can be quite frightening for a little old lady.

AY

Peter - the problem is, we are all made dhimmis by stealth without much asking, through Muslim privileges in distribution of taxes, infiltration in BBC and education system, pro-jihadi quangos, halal food, Sharia finances, - all types of expansions already rolling for the expense of non-Muslims. We also forced to pay to Hamas in Gaza, to Pakistani terrorist blackmailers, to Sudanese camels, to all these hordes of Islamic cannibals all over world.

Verity - I agree the term "Islamic republic" is misleading. It is better to say "Islamic enclave" or.. you know what - even "Islamic entity" or "settlement". Such naming would emphasize their illegal, alien, and temporary character in the UK..

Hopefully such enclaves will be physically isolated, culturally and economically besieged and eventually suffocated. But that won't happen by itself, there should be conscious systematic strategy of de-Islamization, and courage to implement it.. Interesting times ar ahead.

Edward McLaughlin

Peter from Maidstone

You'd better be careful about this democracy demand. In a short space of time, these people will be the majority in many of our cities and towns. Then what will be our ground for complaint?

Then the petitions and the protests will give them such a giggle.

Reg511

Tower Hamlets is a beachhead, it is in the book, an Islamic World is the goal, nothing more nothing less, this is a weakness of our precious 'white man's' democracy, fairness only works if all sides have the same aim

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Peter From Maidstone
October 22nd, 2010 8:18pm

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I'm not throwing the towel down. I will not be a dhimmi nor will I let my children by dhimmis.

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Neither am I, Peter. Alas, many of the apathetic citizenry will not throw in the towels, but rather don them upon their foolish heads to crawl to the Frankenstein's Monster Nu Labour created.

Frank Sutton

So where was the EDL? Where were the Tories come to that?
The election was won on the votes of a small proportion of the electorate, outnumbered by quite a long way by white and non-muslim potential voters - who, it seems, didn't vote.
Not a case of being swamped by islamists, but of the majority doing nothing stop a determined minority having their way.
Time to rouse the "what's the point, can't be bothered" brigade

Colin Cumner

NOW do you believe those who warned of this 'silent' Islamification of the U.K. and Europe? No wonder there is a rise in support for those political movements of the far Right throughout the western world. What is wrong with Britain? Do you all have a death wish over there or what?

Verity

You know, I've still got the bottle of Champagne in the fridge that I bought when I read that Blair had a dicky heart. This was to be untouchable, to celebrate his death. The scumbag had his heart fixed, but I'm keeping it on ice, just in case ... Blair was the one who not only opened the floodgates to these primitives and their diety of the desert dunes and his nutso paedophile prophe, but, in the face of our advanced civilisation, promoted the pro-islamic propaganda in schools, and let it be known that it would be OK for schools to "celebrate" ramadama-dingdong and that children should be fed halal meat in schools without troubling the parents for permission. This all began with Blair. The whole attack on Britain and the British way of life and the British indigenes and legitimate immigrants throughout the ages who have adopted our ways and become one of us, was instigated by this piece of ambulatory, grinning garbage.

Rhoda Klapp

Well, I have my vote, which doesn't even affect the result in Henley, never mind Tower Hamlets. I have my voice, but the people I meet all pretty much agree with me. I have the extreme possibility of civil disobedience or ultimately revolution. Well, maybe. Not sure what I'm supposed to do, if the major parties let me down by failing to admit a problem. Oh, not just this problem either.

Nicholas

There is real strife coming. Political opinion in this country is becoming polarised and ever more extreme.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Nicholas and all who believe there will be violence: Alas, apathetic attitudes have destroyed the instinct for national and personal survival. The average white, once-working class person (now existing on Benefits) is too afraid to disturb the safety net which keeps him/her able to buy drink, junk food and fags. The fast-diminishing middle class, shares with the people just mentioned, an NHS fuelled addiction for anti-depression medication. What with the breakdown and destruction of marriage and family life, the elimination of much of religion, and patriotism labelled as racism, there is no resistance to the surge of FundaMental Islam. The EDL is denied legitimacy, and any attempts to keep the country as a Western civilised country are as usual termed racist. I see a gloomy future, with Britain sinking under ever increasing waves of assault. Tower Hamlets is just the tip of the iceberg.

Edward McLaughlin

Rhoda Klapp goes to the business end of this issue. This is yet another episode around which we gather to express concern, and yet nothing happens because we are powerless; worse, we are without a clue as to how to gain any power. We are made to stand by whilst our nation is swept into the arms of alien and hostile others.

Our whingeing lets off steam which drifts off into the same ether which absorbed all the rest. The rot continues. No disrespect to Peter of M above, but our predicament seems to be typified by the belief that this might be affected in some way, by signing petitions and waving the odd placard.

We have to become more rigorous in our determination to hang on to what we have and what we are. For a start we have to make inroads into changing the warped psychology which has been embedded here in our media, which has it that any and every resistance to what is happening, is a display of 'far-right extremism'.

There is nothing extreme or far off in any direction, in the determination of a people to preserve themselves in the face of invasion.

Ali C

Also worrying is that TH has a budget of 1.1bn apparently. Wonder how that's going to be checked, audited, and how we the tax payer ensure it doesn't get used for 'islamist' rubbish.

David Lindsay

Rahman was most prominently endorsed by a man who was very left-wing a long time ago, when a number of far more prominent people were a very great deal more so, and who has since spent eight years working entirely unproblematically with the City and the Met. Islamists and Bengali communalists may have voted for Rahman. He may therefore have won, although I shall come back to that. But they shouldn't therefore get their hopes up, any more than the Andrew Gilligans of the world should be getting their hopes down.

In fact, they might have been better advised to vote for Helal Abbas, who came third for the Labour nomination, behind Rahman and a white candidate, but who was imposed specifically because he was a Muslim and a Bengali. How is that even legal? I suspect that they did vote for Abbas, for that reason, and that Rahman's runaway victory was thanks, either to the active support of the White British majority in Tower Hamlets, or at the very least to that majority's refusal to turn out and vote for the imposed Islamist and Bengali-communalist Labour candidate.

Now, how about some investigation into the staggeringly level of infiltration of this country's principal governing party by Hard Leftists, Welsh separatists, Islamists, Hindu nationalists, supporters of Sikh terrorism, and numerous others besides, all welcomed with open arms by David Cameron? Or into the direction of the revived "casual" subculture of football hooligans by the American Tea Party and by the Israeli Hard Right, one of whom is that country's Foreign Minister, with all its implications for any Conservative revival in urban areas and among the lower middle class or the people who wish that they were, not least with a view to the London Mayoral Election?

That would be a start, anyway. How about some attention to the Prime Minister, to his party and to its supporters?

Vulture

People often say that Muslims in Britain are here to stay. That does not have to be the case.

AS is now perfectly clear to anyone with half a brain, Muslims cannot live peacefully side by side with 'infidels' - be they Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists,
or non-believers of any sort. Their urge to impose Islam on others by force or otherwise is irrepressible and is in fact enjoined on them by the Koran.

In the long run ( not so very long, actually) non-Muslims in countries where Muslims are still a minority face a stark choice: submission or expulsion.

Ferdinand and Isabella conquered the long-established Moorish kingdom of Andaluz in southern Spain and forced the Moors to convert to Christianity or leave.

In 1948, as the culmination of the 'Quit India' campaign, India's long-established British community with its churches, merchant houses, hill stations and the like packed up and departed after 150 years of the Raj at the behest of India's Hindus and Muslims. Sensibly, the Hindus then let the Muslims set up their own 'state' - Pakistan - which has been the usual Islamic hellhole ever since.

In 1962, the long-established French speaking European 'Pied Noir' community of Algeria - a million strong - were offered a stark choice by the newly independent Muslims: 'the suitcase or the coffin'. In other words, leave or die. They left.

We must follow suit or perish.

Unless Europe expels its Muslims, they will conquer or convert us. That is the stark truth which our rulers, the ostrich class, wish to avoid facing. Geert Wilders being the sole exception so far.

AY

David Lindsay - what a boring clownery.

And useless - people certainly become aware of threat, despite all that smokescreens. Not a threat from mythological Hindu nationalists beheading in the name of Brahma, and not from Jewish Lobsters swearing to turn Europe "from ignorance to Torah".

Sooner or later, Islamic "achievements" in the West will be isolated and crushed. At initial stage, the segregation looks inevitable - if, to the opposite of Tower Hamlets, some local council declared itself Islam-free, one only can imagine what huge boom that would make in business and development, and how many people with high qualifications would like to move there.

David Lindsay

Vulture, Geert Wilders may have been acquitted this time, but he is still a very, very bad man.

He is still in favour of the war in Afghanistan, just so long as his own country no longer has to fight it. He is opposed to welfare provision and other public services, to full employment and workers' rights, and to the classically Christian basis of the State and of the wider culture. The Muslims are not his real target; on the contrary, both mass immigration itself and a particularly virulent challenge to Christianity are very useful to him. His real targets are the orthodox Catholics and the small but very strong conservative Protestant "pillar" (one of whose parties, though not the other, has a growing appeal among African immigrants). He is the heir of Pim Fortuyn, outspoken advocate and practitioner of sex between men and boys.

By all means exclude "foreign-born preachers of hate" from this country. Including Islamists. Such as the black-shirted pimp and heroin-trafficker Hashim Thaçi, who is somehow also both a Wahhabi and a Maoist - he really is what the more hysterical Tea Party attendees imagine Obama to be. Such as the terrorist Akhmed Zakayev, whom this country currently harbours. Such as the recently apprehended terrorist Abdulmalik Rigi. And such as the even more recently arrested war criminal Ejup Ganic. Of all the lies that the neocons tell about themselves, none is more flagrant or more pernicious than that they are hostile to Islamist expansionism and terrorism.

Well, of course. Judaism denies Original Sin, and it has unfulfilled Messianic hope and expectation. The former has contributed immeasurably to the concept of the perfectibility of human nature in this life alone and by human efforts alone. Thus was the latter able to give the world Marx and Trotsky, Freud and Alinksy, Max Shachtman and Leo Strauss, Milton Friedman and Ludwig von Mises, Zionism and the secular Turkish ultranationalism that goes back to the Dönmeh (the ultimate in unfulfilled Jewish Messianic hope and expectation).

However radically, each of these is completed, perfected and transformed by, in, through and as the Messiah. He necessarily turns them away from any purely temporal utopianism. Or else they become neoconservatism, a compendium of all of them, and the ultimate expression of the theory, utterly horrific in the consequences at which it always arrives eventually, that human nature can be perfected in this life alone and by its own efforts alone, since Jesus of Nazareth is not the Messiah promised by and to the Hebrew Prophets. That leaves a gap to be filled. By Islam.

Edward McLaughlin

David Lindsay 1.53pm

Not bad, but done properly you would have made room for a mention of Wayne Rooney and his clandestine mission to channel mankind once more toward the light of Ahura Mazda (Bless His Cotton Skidders)

Scarlet Poet

Welcome to the Caliphate of Tower Hamlets.
Anthony the figure of over 50 % white and 30 % muslim is out of date as it's over 9 years old from the 2001 census.Considering the high muslim birthrate the propotion of muslims in the borough will be allot higher now, white people are more than likely to be less than 50%.

Verity

Frank Sutton - Have you considered that the other voters may have been intimidated? When a follower of the prophet says allah really, really wants you to shut up, many people will remember instantly that islamics tend to follow through on threats of vicious, controlling behaviour.

Verity

AY - Don't be so silly. No one kills anyone in the name of Brahma. Don't be so daft. The Hindu dieties stay out of human affairs, by and large. What is more, the Hindus are like the Jews ... they really don't want converts.

Verity

Edward McLoughlin - thanks for the first laugh of the day!

David Lindsay, you forget Aayan Hirsi Ali and her Dutch confrere, film maker Theo van Gogh, murdered by a muslim from Algeria (so one of the finest human kind has to offer) while riding his bicycle in his native Amsterdam. You also forget Pym Fortuyn. There are a lot of brave people in Holland. Indeed, as of now, it stands alone in the production of brave individuals with enough backbone to confront the would-be conqueroring lice from the sand dunes.

Verity

Who, other than the left in alliance with David Shameron, is to stop us from shovelling them out? If they have been prudent, they would have saved some of that free money the left shovelled into their greedy maws all these years. If they weren't prudent, so what? Their brothers in allah can support them for a while.

There should be a new law - not that there will be under the cowardly Cameron - based on Singapore's nationality laws.

If someone is born in Singapore to two foreign parents, they don't automatically get Singaporean citizenship. Until they are 16 (or, I think it's 18, actually), they take their father's nationality. End of story. When they are 18, they are invited in to make a choice. They can continue with their father's nationality, no problem, or, they have a birthright to take Singaporean nationality.

If they are a male, they will know that adopting Singapore nationality means doing national service every year of their lives until age, I think, 45. Employers are obliged to let Singapore males off for, I think it's two weeks, although it may be longer, annually for military training. So they have a reserve fighting force (as well as a professional force) competent and ready to be called up at five minutes' notice.

Tarka the Rotter

Ahah, so...you now got one in the South. We've got plenty up here in the North. Been to Bradford and Huddersfield lately?

Peter From Maidstone

Edward, I am not much of one for placards, and I don't think petitions will do much on this issue. This is why I asked elsewhere where the soft underbelly of the political class is. How DO we make a difference? How DO we make a noise? In the past there have been other times when the voice of the people needed to be heard. Often there was a cost. One would have hoped that the Spectator would want to be part of the solution, but it seems not to want to play that role and would prefer to engage in interesting conversations with those who loath and despise England and wish to destroy all that means most to us.

Where is King Arthur in our time of need? Are there still laws on the statutes that allow for the raising of the local yeomanry for the defence of the realm? What is the view of Her Majesty on militant and political Islam being active in England?

Fox in a box

David Lindsay,

you are talking out of the hole in your arse.

You clearly have no knowledge if which you speak.

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Fox in a box
October 23rd, 2010 9:23pm
Fox in a box, I agree 100% with you. It is because there are so many ass-holes who cravenly crawl to FundaMental Islam like this Lindsay per

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

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Fox in a box
October 23rd, 2010 9:23pm Report this comment

David Lindsay,

you are talking out of the hole in your arse.

You clearly have no knowledge if which you speak

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I try not to abuse fellow posters, but in this case I agree with you. David Lindsay either speaks from ignorance, or he has an agenda supporting FundaMental Islam.

Verity

Peter Maidstone, very good, if despairing, post.

I know nothing about the English Defence League, but if they're a bunch of ruffians, that's what our fighting men of yore were ...

People should start sluicing their votes away from the pro-EUSSR Lib-Cons toward some frankly Britain First! fighters. That would be the BNP and the English Defence League.

This is where our Geert Wilders or Pym Fortuyn will come from.

There needs to be a huge sluicing out of muslims from our shores, and I think we all know that Dave is not the man to do it. For one thing, as we also know, he takes his orders from the illegitimate EU. Dave plans to sell us further down the river, despite his early offer of a referendum.

(I wonder what the point was of offering a referendum was ... does he misunderstand his fellow Brits so hugely? I'm interested in how quiet he has been on the issue since ... with no excuse for backtracking ... just quietly dropping this most important of all subjects.)

Dave's weak, dangerous and has high expectations for himself. In the EU. He's a Bullingdon Boy. He thinks the rules don't apply to him.

Fox in a box

Anne,

I'm not really meaning to personally insult the man. Just pulling him up on being foghorn leghorn when I doubt he'd know where East London Mosque is.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Fox in a box
October 25th, 2010 9:45am
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Hi Fox in a box,
One needs the patience of a saint. You were quite controlled, and I wasn't condemning you.

Fox in a box

Hi Anne,

That's ok, I knew you weren't. It does seem hard to understand how some people can have views so jaundiced from people like us. I mean - are we the unreasonable ones?!

All best.

Mike

I live in Tower Hamlets, if you are a christian living here then you are a second class citizen! An earlier post says that 70% of Tower Hamlets is non muslim,you have that wrong, 70% are muslim! As an individual there is nothing that can be done, time the British took their country back