Clegg and Cameron decouple

normanc

Let me see if I have this right.

Nick has realised that relegating his Party to the status of a regional branch of the nasty Party isn't working out, went to Dave, said 'What can we do?', so Dave had a Cabinet meeting a couple of weeks ago telling everyone that they had to do everything they could to support the Lib Dems.

More support from the nasty Party ensues and the arrest of the Lib Dems Stuka-esque poll figures hasn't slowed.

Plan B. Try to pretend that they're not both in this together? Surely Steve Hilton could come up with something better than that. Maybe the 3am blue sky thinking sofa session was held on the 1st January when everyone was a little worse for wear?

Still, I guess thye have to try something, the current situation is a disaster.

Rhoda Klapp

When everything they do is apparently for the public effect, when they espouse no principle other than continued power, when they are all prepared to reverse a policy or make common cause with an enemy, then that is the story, not whatever the bloody hell they may be doing today to fool us.

No need to read the runes or examine the entrails, whatever they do is only an attempt to fool us and keep power. To concern yourself with the details or the day's gossip or 'line to take' is to willingly go along with the charade. Get a grip, Speccy.

Vulture

I hate the Cleggameron two headed, two faced lie machine so much it may even be worth a ruinous spell under the two Eds. to flush them down time's U-bend.

Whatever these two clowns do, Labour will win Old and Sad with a thumping majority.

davidk

One word will suffice here:

Disarray.

Holly ......

'The current situation'is exactly that..
Current.
Disaster is a bit far fetched as we go forward,STILL in tact.
Much to the suprise and annoyance of some.
Labour on the other hand are being convinced
they are the bees knees by the polls.
They believe they can continue with the same
tactic of constant shouting,demonstrating & industrial action...just because they are ahead in the polls.
I reckon the Labour party,the MSM and bods on here have about three months left to split the coalition,because after that,NOT A CHANCE.
The public have woken up to 'it is going to be tough' and will change accordingly,how
'tough' remains to be seen.
I hope you are not an atheist normanc,
because Labour HAVE to win this by election just to stand still.
Second place for the Lib Dems is NOT the end of the world for them as a party,will certainly NOT be the end of the coalition,
but would be the REAL disaster in the scheme of things for Labour.
Maybe more of the left supporters should put their time & energy in more constructive
practices,instead of going on about the
imaginary 'nasty party',calling strikes and generally alienating the public.
Nice try though.

Grigori

PM and DPM deny existence of 'Merger' plan. Assuming then that there is such a plan, would it not explain quite a bit of their actions over the last few months?
Clegg boots out the beardier social democrat wing of his party, Cameron the gin-soaked high tory wing of his, leaving them both with a party of professional politicians with no ideals willing to do anything to stay in power, and the old Liberal party lurches out of the grave and into government. Spooky.

dg

Perhaps the long awaited Clause Four moment in the Conservative Party will be sacking the SDP members who have infested the party with election-losing ideas since 1992?

Clegg and Cameron can decouple in public, but the facts speak for themselves in this Finkelstein coalition:-

Here is a list of former SDP members who, as of 2010, are ministers in the government. Many former SDP members represent the Conservative Party at elections. What a swindle!

Former SDP members representing the Conservative Party in government:

The Rt Hon. Dr. Greg Clark MP
Minister of State for Decentralisation

The Rt Hon. Chris Grayling MP
Minister of State for Employment

The Rt Hon. Andrew Lansley CBE MP
Secretary of State for Health

The Rt Hon. David Mundell MP
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Scotland

The Rt Hon. Stephen O'Brien MP
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State in the Department for International Development.

The Rt Hon. Rob Wilson MP
PPS to Jeremy Hunt MP (meaning he is on the government pay roll)

Former SDP members representing the Liberal Democrat party:

The Rt Hon. Dr Vince Cable MP
Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills

The Rt Hon. Chris Huhne MP
Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change

The Rt Hon. The Lord McNally PC
Minister of State for Justice (also Deputy Leader of the Lords)

Paul Burstow MP
Minister of State for Care Services

No question now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which." - George Orwell, Animal Farm, Ch. 10

alan smith

'DECOUPLE'!! Surely you mean uncouple. Where did you people dream up that word?

normanc

Holly, what on earth are you on about? Normally I skip your posts but I saw my name mentioned so read it. What does the fact that I'm an atheist have to do with anything?

As for me calling the Conservative Party the nasty Party, surely you realise I do this to take the piss out of Teresa May? I don't really think conservatism is nasty, quite the opposite, but when we have senior members of the Party standing up at conference calling us the nasty Party (what on earth did she think this would acheive other than free ammunition for the statists?), and others forever telling us we need to deconaminate the brand, then I'll take them at their word.

I'm a nasty, contaminated, loathsome right winger. It's unfortunate for Cameron that the membership is heavily made up of people with the same lunatic fringe, small state views.

Frank P

"Clegg and Cameron decouple?"

Uggghh! Pass the air-freshener. As your choice of nominal preference in that caption is not strictly alphabetical, can we assume that it indicates your perception of which one is the sodomite and which is the catamite? Just arse-kin'?

Bloody Bill Brock

No Normanc, Ms May was taking the piss out of you. The bill of goods sold by the left,including the BBC for years had painted the Tories as very well off, very unpleasant people. It was working, people were believing it. Whatever the merit of any Tory idea it was buggered at birth merely because it was Tory. A considerable number of posters on this board would have exactly the same situation develop again if they had their way, you are probably one of them. Cameron, aided and abetted by the likes of Gove, May and Maud has at least got the Tories reelected, a situation that was unthinkable 5 years ago. Carrying on bitching why dont you, and get Labour back, great.

Frank P

BBB

" Cameron, aided and abetted by the likes of Gove, May and Maud has at least got the Tories re-elected, ..."

Well, what good is " getting the Tories re-elected" if in fact those 'Tories" all turn out to be liberals at best and socialists at worst - which seems to be the case. The so-called "Tories" are doing more for the socialist cause than were New Labour. And if the "Tories" are not doing what they were elected to do, by conservative voters, regarding Europe, immigration, crime and overweening government, then how can those conservative voters feel anything other than betrayed? Whatever excuses you may cobble up to cover the current confusion, however much you plead for 'pragmatism' - that remains the dilemma. We need a quick election to clear the air. Then, if the punters vote for Labour again, at least those bastards will be saddled with the blame for the economic ruin they caused and perhaps in the end the great unwashed will vote for something other than liberal socialism bordering on Marxism. If not, then they deserve anything they get.

Btw - I'd like to think that normanc = Norman (Chingford), but even that old Tory attack dog seems to have mellowed into cosy compromise, if his blog is any indication.
There is cause for despair, I'm afraid.

Verity

Alan Smith - I think it's a railway word. Has to do with the couplings. No one "dreamed up" the word. Your vocabulary is a little limited is all.

Bloody Bill Brock, Cameron did not get the Tories elected. He caused them to fail to win a majority after 11 hideous, destructive years under the toxic socialists.

Holly ......

Normanc.11.59.
Why you would take the piss out of Theresa May and abet the Labour bods,who's mantra May was refering to,is a mystery.
Please note Normanc,it was the'nasty Tories'
Blair and his bods repeated over and over again....NOT the nasty Conservatives.
As for the 'Tory' brand ,still a bit of decontamination to go I feel.
Leave at your own chosen speed.
If the country did not agree with the 'Nasty
Tory' label,it would never have stuck,add that to the FACT 'real' Tories have NOT won a general election since 1997!
We DO NOT want,what you reckon are'real Tories'.
DC has changed with the public,you may not like that,but hey ho,The times..they are a changing!
Kicking,screaming or taking the piss is a waste of time.

Publius

For God's sake Holly sweetheart, lose the scream-caps and learn to punctuate. That will help you avoid coming across as a ranting harridan.

Frank P

Holly

"We DO NOT want,what you reckon are'real Tories'."

Then join the fucking Labour Party and stop masquerading as something you clearly are not.

Holly ......

Frank P.5.21.
Your language!
I would NEVER vote Labour!NOTHING they can ever say or do will ever change that.
Go back as far as you like,on any site and you will clearly see I do not support,and will never support Labour.
The Conservative party today is the equivelent of the Thatcher led Conservative party of yesterday.I know you do not believe
that for a second,but just look at the limp wristed attitude of the public after thirteen years of getting everything done for them....INCLUDING not being able to think for themselves.Why stay the same when the public have changed.
It could well take the same amount of time to de-Labourise folks,if you get my drift.
You can argue your point with me whenever you like,but please do not swear.
Get out of the 'normal' political box and try lateral thinking.
Stop thinking 'thatcher' and think three moves ahead.
Labour's arguments continue to fall flat,
because our lot are usually three steps ahead.
I know it upsets some,but the country have only just voted for us in enough numbers to get Labour out,NOT yet enough to give us a majority.
It has nothing to do with the leader,because
if it did Howard would have walked it.It is the public & their fears about us,all stoked
up by Labour.
Until they do,(de Labourisation),I am thrilled to bits we have a Conservative as our PM.I 'get' what DC & Co are doing.
They can not deliver what we want,because the vast amount of voters don't realise or
fully understand what that is yet,or how much better their lives will be.
So no more swearing and no more accusing me of being somthing I am clearly not.

Bloody Bill Brock

Verity, Cameron whether you like it or not, obtained the biggest swing by any British political party for 80 years. The party was coming from so far behind, along with the inbuilt Labour advantage, that we finished 17 seats short. The Tories picked up over 100 seats and Labour lost over 100 seats. I take it you think John Redwood would have done better, I very much doubt it.

Bloody Bill Brock

FRANK P, if you think the economic policies of this COALITION government are left wing you need medical attention. As for the other matters, live with it. We did not win outright and share power. The reason we share power is despite massive gains last May, we had to climb Mount fucking Everest to beat Labour. Thatcher is long gone, get over it.

Frank P

BBB

YOU still miss the point. I do not mourn the loss of Margaret Thatcher - was never her greatest fan and she, like everyone else must eventually do, grew old and weak. I regret the fact that the next generation of Tories were unable to produce a Tory replacement with balls and that there is now a generation of so called Tories who have stepped in to the footsteps of the Long March and seem to be proud of it. Cameron can do nothing in league with Clegg and his losers except cede more powers to the unelected Eurocrats. He seems happy to do that and I'm fairly certain now that he would have done nothing to restore British sovereignty, even if he had obtained a majority. Moreover he will continue to yield to Islamic creep and increased 'multi-culturalism'.

From my point of view and anyone other Tory over 60 years of age with any sort of insight of Britain's heritage we now have a very left wing government and I don't even consider myself to be 'right wing'. Cameron is a flaccid self-serving plonker. The Tory Party deserves the defeat that will surely follow, whenever the election is called for allowing him to hi-jack the party.

And Holly, you are talking through your arse. Get some HRT Medication and stop complaining about my 'language'. The party I voted for has been usurped by wankers and seems to be getting hysterical support from bimbos who call themselves 'Holly' and get the vapours when someone tries to call them out in plain English.

I cite your own last post as evidence of your empty headed logic - a little masterpiece in it in fact:

" Until they do,(de Labourisation),I am thrilled to bits we have a Conservative as our PM.I 'get' what DC & Co are doing.
They can not deliver what we want,because the vast amount of voters don't realise or
fully understand what that is yet,or how much better their lives will be."

WIFN does that mean? The Education Secretary admits his admiration for Chairman Mao and thinks it was Mao who coined the phrase the Long March; presumably Anita Dunn counselled him as well as Cameron. What planet were you people living on prior to about 2007?

Do fuck off and get on with your knitting - for the Big Society, or whatever quaint shit your PR ponce calls his WI policies. I'm sick to death of twerps and their twerpesses
telling me to mind my language when the only way of addressing their vapidity is to stick a few fucks into them, it seems.