Where Warsi is right and wrong

C Powell

"Warsi then compounds her error by analysing extremism merely with reference to terrorism. Islamism is compromised of many more barbaric crudities than the suicide bomber. Honour killings, arranged marriages within families, the oppression of women and homosexuals etc, etc, etc should be inimical to liberal society."

Not to mention death for apostasy, the attacks on free speech and the anti-Semitism which is widespread within the Muslim community.

All these are inimical to a free and liberal society. This is why people have concerns.

PayDirt

Good for Warsi. I don't follow your cowardly description of "disaster waiting to happen". Your comment is a mixed bag of useless non-conclusions. Say what you mean Blackburn for goodness sake.

normanc

Maybe Dave decided that Vince was taking too much flak with his gaffes so to even up the balance has decided to give Warsi more scope for interviews at the same time telling St Vince to keep a low profile for a couple of months?

Vulture

I agree with PayDirt. David Blackburn's meaning here is as clear as mud.

If he is criticisng Baroness arsi for merely saying that Britain is increasingly Islamophobic then he is following the usual Speccie ostrich politics with regard to Islam: Viz. say nowt, bury your head in the sand, stick your arse in the air and hope the whole issue will go away.

What he should be criticing this very dim woman for is not asking WHY Britain is increasingly Islamophobic, since it clearly is so - and on very rational and reasonable grounds.

The fact that a good proportion of those who follow this cult want to kill us, and hate and despise the society that feeds them may have something to do with it.

Ben G

Thanks Lady W - you have given us another stick to beat ourselves with.

Rhoda Klapp

Aside from the objectionable and inappropriate Islamophobia word, she is telling the truth, and by coalition rules must be fired immediately, so the issue may be swept under that bulging carpet.

david

Freedom thy name is Saudi Arabia, Iran, and all of those other countries which allow religions of all types to be practiced.

JohnPage

No good blaming just Warsi, patronisingly whining though she is.

This high profile speech was trailed in advance, so it must have been cleared by No 10.

StrongholdBarricades

From my own perspective of the media, I would agree with the Baroness, and thus might actually believe that some of the other stuff you put in this piece could be counter productive.

If you do agree with some of the points would it not be better to actually shine the light onto those problems? Maybe it could be some of those which is causing such reported problems amongst disaffected minority youth.

Nicholas

What I suggest Camera-on should do is to introduce a new law making it illegal to be Islamophobic and particularly to say, write or possess anything which is deemed to be Islamophobic. The definition of what constitutes Islamophobia could be arrived at in consultation with the Islamic Council and various other Islamic pressure groups. Let's get Islamophobia, but especially the reasons for Islamophobia, under that carpet as suggested by Rhoda.

That way the coalition could drop their pretence and demonstrate the uncanny resemblance of their rapidly increasing shrillness to the last lot.

Frredom Bill my arse.

strapworld

But wait a minutes.

Coffeehouse yesterday had a piece telling us that everything in the immigration world was wonderful. We all get on with everyone else.

As a lancastrian I suffer from lancastrianphobia when I visit Yorkshire.

As a northener I suffer from northernphobia when I travel south.

As a christian I am despised by everyone. BUT that is okay because the BBC promotes such an attitude towards christians, helped by the press and Prime Ministers who are not active christians! and the Human Rights Act which has taken away my rights as a Christian!

When muslims identify and bring to justice those within their ''community'' who are spreading terrorism and hate towards the UK, perhaps the attitude will change.

Roman Catholics have a duty to listen to Rome but are still extremely patriotic to this country. Similarily Jews, Hindu's, Sikhs etc.

The problem is that muslims are considered the enemy within and they do nothing to prove otherwise. It is a question of trust. Trust has to be earned and takes time.

Moaning and criticising the majority will not gain that trust. Warsi, who I do admire, is wrong. She should be posing the question of Muslims. WHY are we disliked?

Commentator

C Powell has it bang to rights. Of course if Christians (especially of the non-Guardian-reading persuasion) indulged in such activities, I am sure the "moderate progressive centre" and their bullying patsies in the police and the judiciary would be demanding that such people all be interned without trial on a remote Scottish equivalent of Guantanamo Bay.

David Ossitt

“Baroness Warsi has asserted that Islamophobia is rife and socially acceptable in Britain.”

The lady is so very wrong and yet is almost right in her assertions.

What is rife, what is prevalent in Britain today is the dislike, the condemnation, in some cases the loathing of all things Islam.

Most; if not all, other religions are gentle, most express a creed of tolerance, most do not make demands on other faiths, most do not look for special favours and non have some adherents who practice mass murder.

Man in a Shed

I suspect Warsi is making herself harder to dismiss by Cameron as such a move would be seen as removing an advocate for a politically correct (and yet so not PC) group.

PayDirt

Strapworld is bang on the money. What is missing is integration. What this is tending toward is a situation like in the US in the past with the "black" and "white" populations. How soon will the state be "bussing" Muslims into white area schools in the this country in order to faclitate better integration?

In2minds

Fashions come and go. There was a time when we had the professional Yorkshireman, Michael Parkinson for example and Benny Green was the professional Londoner. Now we have the professional Muslim. Warsi freely entered into this role so if we end up being bored by it she blames herself not us.

Mohammed

"Moderate" Muslims are not liable for the actions of extremists. Infact, "moderates" dont even get on with other "moderates". There are many differents sects of Islam and they're always fighting each other. There is no such thing a single group of united Muslims. We dont even share common ground over the translations of some Islamic texts, we're always fighting over it's meanings. There is no "Central Church" which gives out it's orders. Each Muslim practices their own version of Islam and each Muslim is responsible for their own actions.
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"No soul shall bear another's burden." -- Qur'an

Yarnesfromhorsham

Strapworld - agree with you. Frankly they have brought it on themselves. Why are we so liberal, would that our level of tolerance were to be seen in Iran, Saudi etc

raymond jones

The religions of the world are being manipulate into the position required of them by those heathens who wield power over them all.The E.U.need them to be at eachouthers throats,to do this they need to intergrate them,then in Britain especialy,to treat the Native religion worse
than the visitors.Making the E.U. Heathens look peacefull as though nothing to do with them.Intergration is a winde up.

Cjamesk

Intetgration is key, or a fear in the near future we'll have our own 'Balkan' conflict.

Fred Dibnah

I rather liked the first title for this article: "Baroness Warsi’s disaster is no longer waiting to happen".

Her attack on the British people is inappropriate and undeserved. Ms Warsi should know that the British people are, in the main, the amongst the most tolerant on Earth. Britain has helped many millions to flee poverty and persecution and settle safely in this country. Further, all those that have come to Britain are free to follow their own faith and retain their own cultural identity. Little has been asked in return.

However, there is a limit. There are many aspects of Islam that are ugly and offensive to Western cultures; it is intolerant and xenophobic and seems out of place in the modern world.

It is hardly surprising when the cradle of Islam, Saudi Arabia, has done little to enhance its reputation. The official state-endorsed form of Islam is known as Wahhabism; which is ultra-conservative and puritanical. Saudi Arabia has long been suspected of its tolerance of Islamic terrorist groups and has done little before 9/11 to eliminate these groups in its own country. Many also believe that Saudi Arabia through “Zakat”, the religious tax, and other funding sources have provided huge sums to support Al-Quaeda and its affiliates. For further reading, just take a look at the Wikipedia entry for Saudi Arabia. Its not hard to conclude that the only way to achieve universal acceptance of Islam, is for Islam to be reformed, in the same way that Christianity was reformed in the 16th Century.

If Ms Warsi thinks the British are bigoted when it comes to Islam, she needs to look closely at her own religion and its leaders for the reasons why.

www.the-cameron-coalition.co.uk

Jolly Roger

Warsi is correct that it is now becoming acceptable to voice concerns about islam. Where she is incorrect is when she labels it as "Islamaphobia". A phobia is an irrational fear of something, and being wary of Islam is not irrational. The long history of abuse to non-muslims in islamic states should make anyone in the west with any sense wary of the creeping encroachment of Islam.

When she labels it as bigotry, she is also incorrect. We never hear calls of "Hinduphobia" or "Buddhismaphobia" for obvious reasons.

Robert

Great we have a Christian on here asking for Muslim to give up the killers, meaning Muslim know who these activist are, mind you it was the same with the IRA, now look at them hero's in the most.

I love the way we define Asians as Muslims or dark skin as being immigrants.

I suspect when Henry took the Catholics to battle it was all about those hated catholic.

get a life.

Magnolia

I woke up in the middle of last night at about 3-4am and put the radio on low with the sleep setting on as is my habit when I'm trying to doze off again and the BBC world service was broadcasting a programme about the history of the muslim faith in Britain.
Last time I woke up during the night it was a programme about Nigerian poetry.
I have to say that I usually have no trouble getting back to sleep again.

JohnPage

It's bad practice to rewrite a post.

Haven't you even changed the heading?

Freddo

So we hang around for years, waiting for the Tory leadership to speak out strongly, reflecting what the vast majority of us feel.
And this just in: it's all our fault!

Here Pat Condell hits the 'Islamophobia' nail right on the head:

http://www.patcondell.net/

max wild

warsi is trying to make a valid point with sincerity, people should stop trying to be over critical. i feel in this modern era people over analyse every little detail and miss the point she is trying to make which is extremism exists within the muslim community, but its not as rife as people make it out to be

Red Flag

Strapworld is bang on. I would have thought though that being a lancastrian living on Anglesey would be much worse for him than when he went to Yorkshire.

perwana

They are part of culture. You need to differ between culture and religion. There are many other countries those are not muslim countries but have same issues.

david

I would like to ask Mrs Warsi the Question Wether there is a link between the heroin saturation of this country over the last 25 / 30 years and immigration from the muslim world to the UK , every time a drug bust is filmed on the telly or printed in the papers there seems to be most times an asian person involved. If this is the case that may be a goog enough reason why a very large section of the British people are not to happy with there presence in this country,after all its their kids lives what are being trassed by this heroin scourge.So come on Mrs Warsi give us your views on this issue.

Simon Delancey

Let's not forget that it was a certain well-known Islamic figure who called democracy "an evil principle" and a "heresy itself", because it allows men and women to challenge the laws of God with laws made by parliaments.

Salopian

Clearly Warsi and all you Coffeehousers have forgotten that it's not all that long ago that people were being killed in the UK in the name of one or other Christian "Tradition".

Is it wrong to draw analogies between the sectarian militant tendencies in Northern Ireland and those of Islam? Is it wrong to draw analogies with the militant secterianisation of Christianity in the USA?

The problem with Warsi is that she does not seem to understand that the very tone of her speech exacerbates the situation.

hafeez

Mr Blackburn, how can you bracket together honor killings with arranged marriages. Honor killing are always wrong but believe this or not not all arranged marriages are forced. In fact the majority are not.

alexsandr

Jolly roger is right. we need to distinguish between a phobia and a justifiable concern.
I am sure many muslims are anti some of the nastier cults within Islam, but this is never expressed. Islam does not have a pope type leader who has global authority so anyone it seems can issue fatwas.
Moderate mainstream musilms need to get their house in order and have a good spokesman and PR machine to teach non muslims the point of their faith, and to condem the worst excesses.
if Islam cant do that then people will continue to be fearful of Islam

hexhamgeezer

Arsi seems to have changed her mind. She now denounces those distinguishing between moderate and extreme muslims but has also in the past denounced stereotyping 'all' Muslims. Sowhatdowedo? WhatamIsupposed to think? Perhaps dave can issue some guidelines on what is the correct way to think and the terminology to use to express those thoughts.

Allan Stout

We should let muslims have the same rights as us when we can go to their countries and moan about whatever we want. Will that ever happen? NO.
I do not suffer from Islamophobia but in general they cannot be surprised by the reaction of a nations populace when they blow us up, want to build supersized mosques and tell us that our society is not working.

It is unfortunate but I would like to end by asking you to really think what the UK will be like in 20-30 years while moving at this current rate. The standard UK citizen will be the minority and there will be an uprising from the masses. What will we do then? Like the financial situatiion, the government will not look ahead to these issues but they must be taken on board with immediate effect.

Jav

Islamism is compromised of many more barbaric crudities than the suicide bomber ==> Islam does not allow killing of the innocent (including in wartime).

Honour killings, ==> They are a cultural pehonmenon not a religious one

arranged marriages within families ==> This is a cultural thing not a religious one

the oppression of women ==> Debatable

and homosexuals ==> Agreed, its not allowed as in most other religions.

etc, etc, etc should be inimical to libe
ral society. ==> There is no such thing as a liberal society anywhere in the world. People make and change rules as per their needs perceived or otherwise.

The fact is the no one (including muslims) bother to adhere to the basics of the Islam and allow themselves to believe in what other people (priests/clerics)say and such people usually have their own priorities and Islam's reputation or practice is not in it.

Graeme Hill

The Same old story. The Islamic victim mentality, everybody hates us, oh woe is us,

Alistair

Either your bias or ignorance emerges towards the end. You've made the prime mistake of isolating Islam as the only religion with honor killings, arrange marriages etc. Catholicism requires a woman's hair to be shaved off if she exposes it, Hindu girls get burnt if they fornicate...but of course this is only the practice of 'extremist' Hindus and Christians whereas every Muslim's expected to be carrying an explosive vest. How juvenile.

Soothsayerings

"Roman Catholics have a duty to listen to Rome but are still extremely patriotic to this country. Similarily Jews, Hindu's, Sikhs etc."

Really? I thought Jews were only loyal to Israel, certainly the ones I know are.

Stan Pomeray

She is absolutely correct. It is a very sad fact that virtually everyone I know (and that includes some very well educated people in very respectable professions) is prejudiced against Islam.

But never mind Spectator. Keep your heads buried in the sand and it might go away......

yank

So, rewriting posts then, Mr. Blackburn?

You know, if you and the Spectator would fall back to first principles, and establish arguments based upon those principles, you'd likely find such flip-flopping unnecessary.

But now, untethered from first principle, and with political correctness and transient political advantage as goals, we shouldn't be surprised that your blogpost would suddenly require reediting, to conform with those trivial goals.

Now, on the other hand, if the Spectator operated on first principles, then the issues involved here, immigration and integration, would long have been a part of your working narrative, and you might easily move in and out of them, in a principled way. But you all have ignored them, and now find yourselves incapable of doing anything more than a brief toeing of the water, followed by a scurrying retreat (and reediting).

There is a good lesson here, and it's not for Warsi.

jane

So I should not say anything about Muslims I would not say about Jews? And I can expect Muslims to not say anything about Jews (or gays, or atheists, or westerners, etc) that they wouldn't say about Muslims, or are Muslims exempt from this rule? I find it hard to imagine many of them following it.
Also, am I not supposed to say anything about men I would not say about woman? For instance, the statement "most violent crime is committed by young men". Am I supposed to say that is unacceptable since I wouldn't say it about old woman? Perhaps sometimes people say things about Islam (or Muslims) that they wouldn't say about Jews is because it is true for the former but not the later.

Tim Robbins

Islamophobe,damn right. The Baroness on defending the wearing of the Bhurka said "it was a womans right to choose", she then added "anyway do her husband would say oh well its banned chuck it in the bin. No he wouldn't let her out". ?
Many Muslims are backward looking. Many are decent tolerant people but they will find it difficult to stop the rise of ultra conservative Islam. Our tolerance is being used against us by people with repugnant beliefs.

Pot Head

David Ossit "and non have some adherents who practice mass murder."

You sure. Remember the Srebrenica genocide in 1995, where 8000 Muslims were massacred by Christians in Bosnia.

All religions "have some adherents who would practice mass murder" because they have god in their side and at the behest of their priests, Imans or rabbis.

TomTom

Looking at the Muslim countries in the world which does Sayeeda Warsi consider best example ?

Which Christian country does she feel best depicts that religion ?

Which parts of The Koran does she feel are best not observed in Modern Britain ?

RKnape

Can we name one society that is free from colossal ignorance, or brainless bigots? Why should we Britain be any different? Why should we Britain be any better than Saudi or Iran? Are these the kind of message that I've been reading now?

Frank P

Islam has done a vast amount itself to create the concept among among 'infidels' that it is on the march and has a voracious appetite for religious, cultural and territorial domination backed by violence, terror and propaganda. If that concept is what the Warsi woman describes as 'rampant Islamaphobia' then so be it. But personally, I do not consider myself to be 'Islamophobic', but rather fearlessly determined to do all in my fast failing power to prevent a dark-ages religious cult from turning the clock back several hundred years in my country - and other countries which are considered to be allies. In other words, fuck your religion - and you, Baroness Warsi! Now does that sound like irrational fear?

Spoofoid

The media is going to have to bear some of the blame here (sorry guys).

The news outlets widely covered the bombing of a coptic church in Egypt around Christmastime, but failed to report that when the Copts celebrated their Christmas (our Epiphany), thousands of local Muslims effectively put their lives in danger to protect their Christian neighbours.

I have lived in Pakistan and live in a majority Pakistani neighbourhood and the community has much bigger problems than Islamic Fundamentalism. Indeed, the small minority that get into religious extremism can be seen as a reaction to the fact that many Pakistani young men have embraced sex, drugs and rock'n'roll so enthusiastically. The traditional members of the community are sometimes cut off from how normal white people live and think Skins and Hollyoaks represent real life for teenagers. No wonder the men go wild and the girls are locked up!

I'm coming to the conclusion that muliculturalism is not such a good idea after all. Our pretence at tolerance is in reality quite the opposite - we all live in self-imposed exile from each other. Not that integration is easy - look at the Brits in Spain. But we do have to be able to say that many practices of our minority communities are incompatible with life in a western democracy.

Any person of Pakistani origin who disagrees should first write to the Pakistani High Comissioner to campaign for the life of Asia Bibi. The bigotry and hatred of the Muslim world should make Baroness Warsi blush; even the BNP and EDL are mild in comparison. And I'm not just talking about Pakistan: Yasmin Alibhai Brown (I'm sure you're all fans) has pointed out that it is racism and not just misogyny that drives the peculiar phenomenon of Pakistani grooming gangs (Poor old Jack Straw - a politician speaks the truth and see what happens!).

In a liberal society it should be fine to criticise religious belief. Racism is something else altogether, but I'd like to ask Baroness Warsi whether she really thinks the 'dinner party set' she criticises is really more racist than the people she sits down to dinner with back in West Yorkshire.

Rhoda Klapp

I don't hate Islam or individual Muslims. But I do regards the religion itself as a concern. Just as I might so regard Satanism, or any other set of behaviours. I am not concerned here with nutters of this religion or any other, we ought not judge anything by the worst of it alone. I am not much concerned by muslim terrorism, for example. I am more worried that creeping moderate Islam in non-Islamic countries is de facto a threat to the home culture. I can be worried about that, can't I? That is what most of the people at the many sumptuous dinner parties I attend on a daily basis are worried about. If there is prejudice, it is that a Muslim can be pre-judged to be likely to adhere to the strictures of the Koran. That is enough to support a good deal of concern in a free enlightened society.

(Oh, I didn't blame the Pope for the IRA. Was I mistaken?)

Sean Prawn

Christianity a gentle religion? Tell that to the young girls and old women burned for heresy, tell that to the thousends of catholics and protestants killed in this country for a like (or dislike) of the pope, tell that to any number of peoples around the world who suffered at hands of missionary zealots tasked with taming the savage. Islam is not a better or worse religion, it is like any religion - arrogant, because it professes 'the truth' over all others. But in the end it is men and women that commit acts of violence against other and use religion as a fig leaf

Andy Rowland

What preposterous attempt to arrest the pope was that then? Sometimes you journos could do with publishing facts now and again, instead of endlessly re-circulating blatant untruths until people forget the real truth. Still, better than having a proper job, I s'pose.

richard

I take people as I find them.

I worked for many years in Hounslow.

I came into contact with upwards of 50 muslim men (virtually no women).

In many cases, I found them to be polite superficially friendly, but in many cases less than straightforward to deal with.

I have known in business meetings them to make asides in another language which is impolite to say the least.

In several cases, they were the biggest freeloaders I have ever seen.

When I had occasion to phone their homes, and talked to the man;s wife, it was apparent that she could not speak english.

We are talking about middle class mid to upper management of large PLCs here. Wives NEVER attended social events when the invitation was extended to them.

So What?

Well, I believe that these facts are symptomatic of how many Muslims conduct themselves in this country.

I do not judge them particularly as a group, because the sample I have is not significant.

I can understand how people might feel if they live in such an area as Hounslow where they are the majority.

Especially after 7/7,

I have also seen that which Jack Straw articulated. Groups of young asian men talking about young British girls as "slags" and other expressions not printable here.
What does Warsi expect?

Patricia Shaw

What a mealy mouthed bunch of tosh from the home of Islamophobia, the one eyed Spectator.

This discordant organ, the rampacnt support it gives to the racist Melanie Phillis and her ilk, are part of the problem.

Nobody, anywhere in the UK media, insults the israeli right as publicly, as offensively and as consistently, as the Spectator insults Islam.

The time has come for Neil, Nelson and co. to stand up and face the music.

Kim Tan

Warsi is, perhaps, confusing personal dislike for her with Islamophobia.

justathought

Baroness arsi is crass and inaccurate in this latest attention grabbing and deliberately provocative speech.

This seems like another attempt to close down open discussion rather than promote freedom of speech and tolerance by accusing others of Islamophobia.

When a Pakistani politician was murdered at the beginning of the month for arguing that the blasphemy law should be changed thousands of Islamist both here and abroad praised the assassin on Facebook. These were not ill educated Islamists but young british educated people openly proclaiming their views, and however distasteful that is their right.

If I recall correctly Warsi lost her seat at the last election and was rewarded with an elevation to the Lords and a senior post in the conservative party. I assume that she lost the Muslim voters in her constituency and is now trying to re-brand herself while damaging the party that has supported her.

strapworld

Patricia Shaw, Go on then girl, do it!

Naomi Muse

I see it more as a fear of extremists. Most people cannot understand that someone would be willing to plan with others to go and kill themselves in a public place and take as many of the general population with them. It just beggars belief as to how anyone would get to the mindset that would believe that is the right thing to do.

However, I have not heard anyone condemn Muslims per se, just extremists of all sorts, including that preacher who has just been banned from coming to Luton who previously suggested burning the Q'ran.

Respect and tolerance is what is needed for us all to get on and she obviously has neither of these.

As to the role she is meant to play, she appears to have crossed over a line that she should not, and should go.

Nicholas

"Nobody, anywhere in the UK media, insults the israeli right as publicly, as offensively and as consistently, as the Spectator insults Islam."

But you do, Patricia Shaw El-Zatmah, regularly on the pages of this 'ere blog. It is the only subject you ever post about. Mostly anti-Jewish bile. Time for you to stand up and face the music too you horrible woman.

David Ossitt

justathought.

"If I recall correctly Warsi lost her seat at the last election"

No she was never elected, that is the point she did not get elected.

John Mounsey

I don't know what paper Patricia Shaw reads or what radio/TV stations she tunes into, but it's a very long time since I read/heard any piece anywhere supporting right-wing Israelis.

On the other hand, Islam is generally given a very cosseted ride by the liberal media: which other group of people howling for the deaths of, variously, Salman Rushdi, homosexuals, the Danish cartoonists, a teacher who called a teddybear Mohommad etc would be given house-room in any bien-pensant liberal household?

The point is that the mindset that says if you don't agree with me, you're insulting my religion and you therefore deserve to die is apparently not confined to foaming fanatics, but seems to be acceptable to Muslims generally.

This may be wrong, but I would suggest that it is this apparent intolerance of dissent that is so worrying to Western ears, indicating as it does that even so-called moderates hold views that support an unreasonable, extremist reaction to every imagined slight.

Oh, and Baroness Warsi is rapidly becoming a national embarrassment.

Cynic

"Also, I have sympathy for Warsi’s cultural point that language is used irresponsibly." She was the one mentioning "Islamophobia". Is it phobic to be wary of an ideology (Islam = submission and is not simply a religion but also a political system and a way of life) which is inimical to the indigenous culture of the country in which it is establishing itself, a host country from which it demands more and more concessions? Halal meat, intrusive mosques and muezzin, whole areas which are no go if you are kuffir? Is this what the average native of the UK wants? Do they have a choice? If Warsi is right and the threat of Islam is being discussed over dinner, then it's long overdue. Integration is what is needed (multiculturalism has been an unmitigated disaster), but integration, except for the submission or elimination of the infidel, has never been the goal of Islam. Read the Quran if you want to know what its aims are.

Gale Dixon

Salopian appears to be equating Muslim fundamentalism which permits the killing of Christians (and other religions) with 'Christian sectarianisim in the USA'. It is fair to ask him to explain to readers what evidence he has that any Christian has actually murdered anyone as part of their religion to-day ? Only last week, the media showed a mob of Pakistani Muslims screaming for the execution of an unfortunate woman said to have said something about Muhammad and they don't allow freedom of speech of course . I cannot believe that our Western laws would permit this kind of barbarity.

daniel maris

Perhaps we (non-Muslims of whatever religion, or none) need a few coinages of our own to defend ourselves against this Taqiyya offensive with its accusation of "Islamophobia".

How about IVF as in "Islamic Victim Fraud" as in "Baroness Warsi makes IVF claim".

Why is Baroness Warsi not addressing the 15,000 terrorist attacks by people claiming to follow Islam since 9/11; the horrific genocide by Islamic extremists in Sudan; the denial of religious freedom in Saudi Arabia - and that's just a start of course.

Alan The Great

Warsi's silence was deafening when her muslim friends verbally abused our troops returning from Afghanistan, when they threatened to burn poppies, when their hate preachers threatened the indiginous people of this country.