CoffeeHousers' Wall, 6 June - 13 June

daniel maris

Osborne wasn't very convincing on the radio this morning. All bluster and bravado. Not a lot who could put forward as evidence of good shepherding of the economy.

Now we are told the government won't keep cutting if receipts are down and benefits payments have to increase. Er - that slightly defeats the whole object of the exercise.

I am sticking with my prediction that there will be a bit of a bounce this quarter from people indulging themselves a little on the back of their redundancy payments but perhaps I am being a little over-optimistic.

I was disappointed to read that the manufacturing recovery has ground to halt and even gone into reverse. That was the one bright light in an otherwise dark and gloomy scene.

Time for Cameron to kick out the arrogant Osborne. But who to replace him with? Not a lot of obvious choices. Cable has used up all his political credit.

Kennybhoy

From the tail end of last week's Wall.

AAE wrote:

"(And I wonder if Kennybhoy would agree that a couple of B men would have it cleared up in no time?!!!?)"

Coat-trailing again Maister A...? lol

AAE

Kennybhoy - When I was a wee lad, my Mum's butcher was a B man and I tell y' that there was never any bother around that end of Omagh!

Archibald the Grim

we are told that 70%of the population is satisfied with the NHS.
Does this mean that 70% has experienced this organisation
I wonder? I have occasionally used it and wasn't dissatisfied
But I could say the same for a visit to the local shop which had
the newspaper I wanted. So what is the purpose of bandying this
meaningless info

Verity

Half past two on Monday afternoon and only three notices up? Has there been a large exotic event?

Peter From Maidstone

My new website is proceeding well. I hope that it will be ready to launch next week.

I thought I might post there under a new pseudonym, and chose John Ball. His speech on Blackheath to the peasants revolting against the loss of their freedom is very suitable indeed for these times, and of course he is associated with Maidstone.

He said..

From the beginning all men by nature were created alike, and our bondage or servitude came in by the unjust oppression of naughty men. For if God would have had any bondmen from the beginning, he would have appointed who should be bond, and who free. And therefore I exhort you to consider that now the time is come, appointed to us by God, in which ye may (if ye will) cast off the yoke of bondage, and recover liberty.

England, awake! awake! awake!

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Peter From Maidstone
June 6th, 2011 2:48pm
Peter, I'm rooting for you!

Nicholas

Peter from M - good stuff and I thank 'ee.

Let's hope it becomes a rallying place and cry.

Kennybhoy

AAE.

Aye weel, when I was a wee lad visiting my kin in Holywood one of the local specimens was fond of referring to me and mine as "white niggers". And in later years one was constantly surprised at how many of their weapons turned up in "Loyalist" terror arsenals.

michael crockett

Theresa May has robustly stated that the government will continue with and expand the Prevent scheme for monitoring radical islamists, and other dangerous extremists.

Is the walls dislike for Cameron so deep that you can find a good reason why this scheme does not go far enough?

Nicholas

Well some people on the Wall dislike Cameron but my feelings are more disappointment and I don't like some of his policies. He is still preferable to Gordon Brown but as that bounder has bounded off I suppose Cameron comes under harder scrutiny.

Personally I'd rather see radical islamists who want to impose the caliphate on us deported rather than monitored.

Verity

Michael Crockett - Well I don't know anything about the scheme, but the name Prevent is very, very weak if you are referring to preventing terrorist outrages in Britain. It sounds like a pill to stop schoolchildren from passing on colds.

It should be called SMASH or CRUSH or HAMMER or something robust. In other words, an active verb.

Austin Barry

Michael Crockett asks,

"is the walls dislike for Cameron so deep that you can find a good reason why this "Prevent" scheme does not go far enough?"

Yes, it doesn't close mosques, proscribe immigration from Pakistan etc. or involve Mossad-style targeted assassinations of known extremists - but otherwise it's a wonderful growling at a rogue elephant by a tiny poodle.

Verity

"Prevent scheme for monitoring radical islamists, and other dangerous extremists."

Mistake. Radical islamists (illiterate code word for "muslims") and "other dangerous extremists" (Like who?)

Anyway, radical muslims shouldn't be being monitored, they should be being driven to the airport, handcuffed, and stuffed on a plane - thoughtfully having yielded a sample of their DNA and a retinal photograph before take-off.)

David Ossitt

Peter from Maidstone.

Peter thank you for referring to England; as in.

“England, awake! awake! awake!”

Well done.

David Ossitt

Nicholas at 3.56pm.

Nicholas I entirely agree with your first paragraph, my sentiments entirely.

As to your second paragraph: -

“Personally I'd rather see radical islamists who want to impose the caliphate on us deported rather than monitored.”

I would have appended; in a body bag.

Rhoda Klapp

I'll say it again, muslim terrorism is not much of a threat to my way of life. Possibly to my actual life, but that is a very small probability. Islamism, nice peaceful Muslims espousing their own lovely peaceful religion, that is a threat to my way of life. Islam contains within it no compromise. It assumes as desirable that which I find abhorrent. I really don't much care about the bombers and plotters, and I find the government's approach to be stupid and dangerous, displaying a massive naivety about how these things work.

Rhoda Klapp

Anyhow, back to last week's wall where I referred to Guido's report that thr Coffee House is to be 'ramped-up'. I wonder what commenters have to suggest for ways of improvement? I wonder just how much that will coincide with the Spectator's own ideas.

Verity

David Ossitt - "I would have appended; in a body bag."

Yes to that, and I would have appended, "And an OBL send off by being tipped off a boat" - except, on second thoughts, no body bag as we don't want to seals and other nice sea things to be suffocated by plastic. Just OBL style. If it was good enough for OBL, it should be good enough for the wannabees.

Verity

Rhoda K - "displaying a massive naivety about how these things work."

Including not being aware that "islamists" are scholars who specialise in islam, not islamic nut jobs. The government of Britain is frightened to use the words "islamic terrorist" and as long as it cowers behind incorrect usage, it will be, correctly, seen as weak.

Herbert Thornton

michael crockett (June 6th, 3:32pm) -

I would hardly call Theresa May's statement "robust". To my mind it was far from robust.

The word "monitoring" in particular rings an alarm bell. To my mind, mere monitoring can only be a timorous and ineffective policy. Monitoring should be combined with a firm policy of immediate deportation of all suspects and of those who sympathise with them.

Your question - " Is the wall's dislike for Cameron so deep that you can find a good reason why this scheme does not go far enough?" mystifies me. I don't think that anybody's opinion of Cameron, no matter how unfavourable, is the crux of the matter.

I think it best to assess the scheme on it's own merits by asking whether it is adequate to meet Britain's national interest.

lescam

Nicholas
June 6th, 2011 3:56pm

"He (Cameron) is still preferable to Gordon Brown but as that bounder has bounded off I suppose Cameron comes under harder scrutiny."

This is damning with faint praise! ANYBODY is preferable to Gordon Brown. Even a total idiot would be preferable, at least they would be unlikely to throw phones at walls, stab car seats, and deliberately arrange to have rivals smeared in the Press. Vengeful, malicious, nasty beyond belief. Thankfully he has disappeared under his stone and with any luck will never reappear.

As for Cameron, yes, better than Brown, but not by a lot. Doesn't throw phones or stab seats or smear people (I think) but has plenty of other drawbacks. I too am disappointed with him, but not surprised as I could see the way things were going before the election. About the best I could say for Cameron, is, he does not seem to be vindictive or aggressively nasty as was his predecessor. Just misguided.

John Richardson

“I'll say it again, muslim terrorism is not much of a threat to my way of life. Possibly to my actual life, but that is a very small probability.”

The 'powers that be' know this.

“Islamism, nice peaceful Muslims espousing their own lovely peaceful religion, that is a threat to my way of life.”

Also, it can be relied upon to never change.

“Islam contains within it no compromise.”

They cannot lose any debate as they will never engage in any debate. Democracy and votes are irrelevant to Islam. Perfect for The Agenda.

“It assumes as desirable that which I find abhorrent.”

This is because it is so backward.

“I really don't much care about the bombers and plotters, and I find the government's approach to be stupid and dangerous, displaying a massive naivety about how these things work.”

I do not think that they are naive at all. It's too late in the day to indulge them with that generosity. They know what they are doing.

This is what I mean:-

(Re Govern policies regarding violent 'extremists'.)

"Prevent scheme for monitoring radical islamists, and other dangerous extremists."
Mistake. Radical islamists (illiterate code word for "muslims") and "other dangerous extremists" (Like who?)

Verity
June 6th, 2011 4:08pm

Like us of course.
Like any one who opposes The Agenda.
That's what these powers & initiatives are really for. We are the target and 'radicals' are a decoy issue.
That's why they do not kick them out. That's what they were encouraged to come here for in the first place.
I would love to be wrong but nothing else really makes sense .
The legal process is even more advanced in the States. The 'Patriot Act' being targeted at 'returning veterans, gun owners' and Constitutional busy bodies types.
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“Anyhow, back to last week's wall where I referred to Guido's report that thr Coffee House is to be 'ramped-up'. I wonder what commenters have to suggest for ways of improvement?”

Rhoda Klapp
June 6th, 2011 4:54pm

Yep. Eagerly await news from P. From M.

Verity

Whoooo-hoooo! - Lescam! I think Cameron is a very vindictive number indeed!

Verity

"I find the government's approach to be stupid and dangerous, displaying a massive naivety about how these things work.”

Au contraire. They are using the islamics to control the population, right down to the language it is allowed to speak.

Circuitous Cant

daniel maris

"I am sticking with my prediction that there will be a bit of a bounce this quarter from people indulging themselves a little on the back of their redundancy payments but perhaps I am being a little over-optimistic."

Well, seeing as redundancy payments are one-offs, any optimism you might see in this, is extremely short-term. Little wow.

EC

Rhoda Klapp, June 6th, 2011 4:54pm

"Islamism, nice peaceful Muslims espousing ..."

Bombs or browbeating - it's ALL Jihad. The silent ones, cowed and compliant, are also complicit. They are as much enablers as are our common purpose infested, PC mind rotted establishment and fourth estate.

Overt Moon

THE MONDAY AWARDS
(External Twitter edition)

The poser award:-

Simonpegg:My annoying neighbours are having a loud party in their garden. I’ve ordered an air strike but there are no apache helicopters available

The comedian award:-

Charliebeckett I’ms orry but deadly bean sprouts just don’t have the same innate comic or horror potential as killer cucumbers

The dement award:-

"Poor Selena? Why Poor Selena? She's dating the hottest 17 year old in the world, there's nothing wrong with that. I wish I could be her."**

**For Justin Bieber fans (no-one on the wall-you are all past it)

I may now sod off again Lesbiancam

charles hercock

IMF Guru Strauss-Khan has denied all

So Osborne can of course believe today’s IMF TINA fiction

Warsi And Warsi

Headline from The Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394864/Racist-filled-Muslims-shoes-ham-prayed-mosque-walks-free-court.html

How well the toxic thought fascists have done their job when headline writers are brainwashed into thinking religion is a genetic grouping.

AAE

Kennybhoy

Notwithstanding the epithet you were given in Hollywood, I suppose it makes a change that our particular form of racism generally manifests itself in a more colourful way, Orange and Green, than in other lands where the discriminatory palette is usually monochrome!

David Ossitt

lescam.

“About the best I could say for Cameron, is, he does not seem to be vindictive or aggressively nasty as was his predecessor.”

Actually that does say quite a lot”

Your comment: - “ANYBODY is preferable to Gordon Brown. Even a total idiot would be preferable, at least they would be unlikely to throw phones at walls, stab car seats, and deliberately arrange to have rivals smeared in the Press. Vengeful, malicious, nasty beyond belief” was entirely justified.

However methinks you were a little too lenient with your list, vengeful, malicious, nasty, might you not have added?

Cowardly, dishonest, faint-hearted, mendacious, selfish, sly, vain and venal, and still not run out of adjectives to describe this obnoxious bully.

Verity

Rhoda K, in her post of 4:54 above, made some very astute points.

Kennybhoy

AAE at 7:18pm

Hate is hate...

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Warsi And Warsi
Mixed with the cheese, would there be cheese burgers, or ham burgers?

Frank P

I've just raised a glass to all those who took part in the push of June 6th 1944. For those that didn't make it home or whose injuries (physical or psychological) shortened their worthy lives - may they rest in peace. And grateful thanks to those who are still around to read that I still remember that day in my eleventh summer; will never forget it and the succeeding days, as they accomplished their mission. Are we as a nation deserving of their courage and sacrifice? I doubt it.

Gerard Vanderleun pays homage from his perspective - with some assistance from Ann Barnhardt:

*ttp://americandigest.org/mt-archives/citizens/barnhardtbiz_commodity_br.php#014815

On a personal note, I also pay tribute to our eldest grandson, who died in tragic circumstances on this day five years ago at the age of 22. His sweet spirit remains in the hearts of all those who knew and loved him.

Fast asleep

P from M - The entire Editorial team of The Spectator - refined, educated, cosmoploitan fellows all - will be praying fervently for the success of your new, conservative website in the hope that it will, at a stroke, remove the likes of Verity, AWK, David O, Nicholas, Frank P and your good self from the Wall. They must shudder with embarrassment at the toxic sludge that passes for comment here.

Austin Barry

Fast asleep:

Your identification of those purveyors of 'toxic sludge' on this Wall is spot on. I would though like to add to that list of infamy the so-called 'Austin Barry', who surely meets the qualifications of what I suppose we must now refer to as a 'Toksvig Appetiser'.

Good riddance to the lot of them.

Peter From Maidstone

Fast asleep, well I nearly am so just this post. I hope all those people you name will contribute to my new site. If I get plenty of hits I hope the Spectator will pay to advertise on it.

Who knows if it will work, but it is worth a try. It's half way ready to launch.

Peter From Maidstone

I can't imagine anyone will want to stop posting here. Perhaps, perhaps, it might encourage a more properly conservative content in the blogs, but that is down to editorial policy.

Lol! A website with 6 or 7 readers is not much competition!

Verity

Well, I am sure James Forsythe is a very cosmopolitan fellow, because he used to live INSIDE THE BELTWAY!!!!!

(Does it count towards being cosmopolitan that I once bumped into economist J K Galbraith in a corridor at The Mayflower in DC? It is inside the Beltway! He almost knocked me over, being such a tall feller and all. But he apologised and I said, "It's OK", which I felt was quite a cosmopolitan, if economical, exchange.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Fast asleep
June 6th, 2011 9:44pm
Enjoy your five seconds of attention. Now go and take a powder. Adieu!

Dick Barton

Overt Moon

"I may now sod off again Lesbiancam"

Not before collecting your twerp of the year medal, please.

David Ossitt

Fast asleep

Coward; what name do you normally go by?

Austin Barry

Frank P.

To live in hearts we leave behind
Is not to die.

~Thomas Campbell, "Hallowed Ground"

Fast asleep

P from M - my sincere (truly) best wishes to you in your venture. Hope your hard work proves a success.
Austin - Apologies, but you seem to have a sense of humour which is maybe why I failed to include you among the usual suspects trapped in their cocoon.

Verity

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394834/Thug-beat-ex-girlfriend-badly-police-said-seen-cleaner-murders-escapes-prison-fined-just-20.html

There is only one solution to this. Elected judges. Elected judges in the US work at executing the will of the community ... the voters. They are not trying to win favour among the destructive radical left.

If you go to the link, you will see what he did to his girlfriend's face. And he's let off with a small fine and "community service". He should have got 12 years behind bars.

David Taylor

As the BBC blogs have limited replies to 400 CHARACTERS (including spaces and punctuation), may I ask if there is any intention of The Spectator to follow suit?
Auntie have, at a stroke, stifled all debate, dumbed down all comments to pithy one-liners and turned their whole engagement of the public process into a glorified tweeting exercise.
Perhaps this is the future for our children where the educational system fails to teach them how to write sentences and reduces all written communication to a form of txt spk?
I believe that blogs, such as this, are an embarassment to political leaders and journalists alike and expose their myopic view of society and its financial and cultural problems.

Fill

Fast asleep is correct. You all lack compassion. Where is your compassion?

Nicholas

Fast asleep - I doubt it because what else will draw the likes of you here as a creepy lurker and give you nice bogeyman targets for your smug and judgemental sneering? Without the ire and fire of a few recalcitrant regulars this forum would be as boring, turgid, drearily predictable and smugly self-satisfied as most "refined, educated, cosmoploitan (sic) " blogs that pass for political "comment" in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Britain these days.

And don't forget Peter of M is going to zap pesky trolls that have nothing to contribute, you know like those snivelling cowardly types who contribute nothing but sneers from the top of their little moral dung heaps and bask in the smug delusion that they represent some kind of mainstream, bien pensant superiority. So I guess you'll have to get your funny, creepy little quips in while you can, eh? Pity that first one of yours was in such sharp contrast to Frank P's immediately before it though - I bet you spared not a thought today for the men he honoured and remembered.

Toxic sludge - good name for the new website. Toxic to lefto-fascists, inexorable and difficult to break down. No wonder you and the other comrades hate us so much.

Verity

Austin Barry to Frank P - Perfect. I had been trying to think of something to write that wasn't overly personal and wasn't trite and wasn't rather impertient from a stranger ... and what you wrote was perfect.

Frank P

Austin Barry (11.25pm)

Thank you - so true! Moreover it's not only a wonderful incentive to like the Scots, but also to be very kind to your children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. :-)

michael crockett

TOXIC SLUDGE- hm, not a bad name. I prefer DONT. Dinosaurs Only No Trolls.

Please Mr P from M, will you let me post on your website, sir (grovels).

NO, GO AWAY. You are a horrible marxist muslim troll, and should be castrated immediately, and sent to swim with the fishes.

dg

Fast asleep, you had better get used to the fact that a long conservative march through the institutions is about to begin. Now go back to begging David Cameron for a job like the good little toadying liberal that you are.

Fergus Pickering

Verity, I am considering a Government led by SUPERLEADER with various departments called SMASH, CRUSH and FUCKEM. It has zing, I do have to say. They could have orange Government bulldozers to ride about in, or jetcars if they wanted to go fast. Do you now I think we may have cracked it.

Peter From Maidstone

The DT, reporting on the new Prevent report, quotes it as saying..

Previous Prevent work has sometimes given the impression that Muslim communities as a whole are more ‘vulnerable’ to radicalisation than other faith or ethnic groups.

Do we agree with this? That Muslims are no more likely to be radicalised than any other group? Surely this does not make sense or fit the data? There are no Christian terrorist groups in the UK. Indeed the only other terrorist activity being perpetrated is by a group of Marxist criminals.

So on what basis is it reasonable to conclude in a serious and strategic document that Muslims are no less likely to be radicalised, when we know that a third of Muslim students in our universities believe that violence in support of their religion is justified.

michael crockett

Fergus Pickering.

I think you forgot the most important department 'DROWNEM'(If they're Muslim)

Nicholas

Far from being trapped in a cocoon it will be refreshing to go somewhere which does not have a crop of inane window lickers whose negative obsession with what other people dare to write is the only subject of their expression. One might thing such ire would generate some articulate and reasoned counter opinions. Oh, of course, we are not worth it - much easier just to sneer. Trapped in a cocoon indeed. Beams and motes, beams and motes.

michael crockett

P from M.
'Indeed the only other terrorist activity being perpetrated is by a group of Marxist criminals.'
www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article/1897/far-right-attacks-escalate-after-bnp-election

This is attributed to your much loved EDL, do you think it is a fabrication? Not true? Or to be welcomed!

Nicholas

michael crockett - you're good at asking questions that have the faint whiff of entrapment about them. So what do YOU think? (And hopefully your mysteriously reserved opinion might include something a bit more original than snide references to dinosaurs).

David Ossitt

Fill

“Fast asleep is correct. You all lack compassion. Where is your compassion?”

He never mentioned compassion!

But now you have; compassion for whom?

michael crockett

Nicholas.

Not everyone is sneering, but it is hard to have a reasonable conversation with people who invariably respond to anything they don't like with "witty"(sic) and personally offensive comments. This has the effect of driving many away. Some clearly loonie trolls, but others perfectly sane people who want to put their own point of view, and not just lick the bums of the ruling claque on here. I read on this wall sometime 'They don't like it up em, do they?' I think that applies pretty well to you.

daniel maris

More from the religion of peace:

Followers of Islam are threatening the lovely Sharon Horgan (who I have always fancied something rotten) for a joke about Mecca made on Have I Got News for You.

She pleads on Twitter: 'Really hope that people understand this and stop threatening me. But if anyone misunderstood the intention of the joke – for it was a joke – then I apologise for any offence caused.'...

We can only hope the tried and tested craven apology gambit works.

Jihad Watch comments as follows:-

"Not surprisingly, we're seeing more outrage about a joke about suicide bombing than actual suicide bombings, and as always, more of an outcry about "Islamophobia" -- an alleged feeling -- than actual acts of jihadist terrorism and the subjugation of women and non-Muslims. "

So true - when did a Muslim spokesman ever sound like they were worked up about persecution of Christians, Hindues, Bahais or Buddhists in Islamic countries? In my experience never - the best you could ever hope for is a cursory nod.

Fill

David O ssett
I always demanded compassion, that is why you tried to drive me away. Well this time I shall remain and fight for compassion.

michael crockett

Nicholas.

No entrapment intended. I often say what I think. What I think is that you are all extremely lucky to live in a safe, slightly over controlled, true, country, where you can really vote one government out and a different one in. Most countries in the world laugh out loud at the idea that you really can. I think that playing around at being very right wing may be fun when you know that very few people will ever take you seriously. I think that the wonderful England of long ago that you all praise is a complete myth. I think that there are too many muslims in England, but that a great many of them are perfectly nice law abiding people. I think that Cameron and his coalition are doing as good a job as they can given their week political situation. I think that if Cameron had gone down the S.Palin line you recommend, then there would now be another labour government in England. I don't think that England needs a change in its laws to make booting people out easier.

Actually, I visit here as a kind of museum. It reminds me of my fathers generation of well off middle class Colonel Blimps. I thought they had died out, but it seems there is still a fair number about. And the extraordinary thing is that while you all wang on about free speech, you are thoroughly over excited that soon there will be a website where you can all drivel on together, and where all the nasty 'voters who have been behaving badly for the last 15 years', to quote Verity, will be banned.

Richard of Moscow

Kennybhoy
June 6th, 2011 12:38pm
"Richard of Moscow
Och you really have gone native..."
Oh yes!
Good to see you back, sir.
And cheers for Aiden MacGeady, he's one of our better buys.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

michael crockett
June 7th, 2011 11:07am
Pity you have preconceived notions, Michael. I doubt whether there are many (if any) middle-class Blimp types posting here. Probably a lot of impovished, self-educated men and women who have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. Free country, choice of who you vote for for? Joke! Nu Labour entrenched itself so deep into the fabri of this country that freedom has almost died. The rot set in after World War II and grows deeper yearly. DC is no Tory and the Lib Dems are a watered down version of marxism. Right wing is not something to be ashamed of, nor is patriotism, nor decency and a code of decency that one can aspire to live by. Many of us are too individualistic to follow blindly any set of PC rules, and as long as you think that I, for one am a right winger, then Michael, all is not lost in my world.

Nicholas

michael crockett - your reply is revealing.

What you think applies to me may or may not be true but your attention to who you think people are and your desire to label it rather than make your own comments on political and social issues says more about you than me. Put your own point of view by all means but so far I've not seen that. I've seen oblique and sneering comments about other posters and the "whiff of entrapment" questions wrapped up in the usual "reasonable" guff. So go on, put your own point of view and try to do it without a single reference to any other commentators, because at the moment, other than slagging off people whose views you want to stereotype, I can't see much evidence of your opinion anywhere.

And what kind of sense does this statement make?:-

"Not everyone is sneering but it is hard to have a reasonable conversation with people who . . ." etc.

Was your "DROWNEM" comment serious or a sneer? What was your presumption of EDL sympathies based on? Were those "reasonable" conversations?

So in other words you do sneer. Don't kid yourself it's anything else, the licking bums sneer gives you away big time.

Ruling clique? Looks like you are another one of that select few that want to impose your view on the comments and commentators by a campaign of sustained sneering. There are just trolls, michael crockett, and you smell like one.

Inigo Unsworth

Royal Academy Summer Exhibition 2011
Photography Comes Of Age
Photography has been given pride of place in the Royal Academy Summer Exhibition by being positioned boldly in the Wohl Central Hall – the main hall as you enter the Exhibition. This is a daring statement on the part of Christopher Le Brun the main co-ordinator of this year's show and is the first time in the unbroken 243-year history of this event that the ever-growing power of photography has been recognised by the Royal Academy in this way. I readily admit to an 'interest' here as I am a photographer of many years but 'hats off' to the RA in giving such an illustrious positioning to those who use a camera artistically. It's as if photography, after a long time in the doldrums of the artistic world, has now been elevated to be on an equal footing as other forms of creative endeavour.

Nicholas

Oh, postscript, michael, I see that you have finally conferred your opinion. Finally the mask is removed. Pity you couldn't do it without the usual sneer at the end though.

But please don't tell me I am lucky - that's patronising - and don't ascribe your puerile prejudices to me either. Just accept the fact that you and I disagree, fundamentally disagree, on many things, but that the "diversity" now celebrated in this wonderful country should allow that and not put you into such a frothing state over your father complex.

I won't bother telling you which part of your opinion I do agree with because I think your prejudice is too entrenched. It's probably an age thing.

EC

michael crockett

One man's "perfectly sane people" are another man's "loonie trolls."

You, like everyone else, are perfectly entitled to express your opinions. IT'S A BLOG! Just because you don't receive rapturous applause for your opinions you are not entitled to change your audience - or "bums" as you put it. (If it's that sort of action that you crave then may I very politely suggest that you try elsewhere)

Verity

Fergus P 7:00 a.m. - Funny, but as that is already the attitude of this government, I don't see it advancing us.

Verity

Michael Crock-of-it urges a little lesson on us: "it is hard to have a reasonable conversation with people who invariably respond to anything they don't like with "witty"(sic) and personally offensive comments. This has the effect of driving many away."

Including you, insh'allah?

Peter From Maidstone

Inigo, do you have any work exhibited at the RA in this exhibition?

And I thought you were going to be doing a regular blog?

Fast asleep

Nicholas - you are a pompous, bile-filled, paranoid egomaniac who, as leader of the 'ruling claque', egged on by your moronic cheerleaders (Verity and AWK) believes he has the right to banish people from this Wall. As evidenced by your oft-used, juvenile, tedious 'quip' - 'don't let the door etc..'(yawn)
What I find most astonishing and irritating is your default smearing of anyone who disagrees with you as 'lefto-fascist' and a 'comrade'. I have never, and would never, vote for the Labour Party, nor any party to the left of them. Your dyspeptic outbursts, supported by zero evidence, demean you and your cause.
You wish to keep this Wall as the sole preserve of Palin-worshipping, McCarthy-ites. Your knee-jerk, ill-tempered, personal abuse of those outwith your cosy coven must drive many away from contributing. Your desires for the reshaping of the Tory party would lead it to becoming a sect. Conservatives like yourself are the reason why the left continue to gain support. This was the thrust of my post - the editorial team at The Spectator must wince and groan inwardly when they see the usual line-up of loony tunes filing their paeans to a lost, and mythical, land.
As for your ludicrous remark re Frank P's post - how am I to know when or if a post of mine will appear? This is not real time posting.
David O - Print your address, email address and mobile phone no with every post if you desire.
Michael Crockett - agree entirely.

Verity

Michael Crock 11:07 says we are lucky to live in a country "where you can really vote one government out and a different one in. Most countries in the world laugh out loud at the idea."

They do?

Well, China, N Korea and Zimbabwe, I will give you. And the islamic dictatorships. Probably Colombia.

But most other countries I can think of have elections and people stand and try to win votes from their fellow citizens.

India, Canada, Japan, the US, Australia, NZ, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Papua New Guinea, all those little bitty European countries no one gives a crap about, then the big European countries plus Brazil, Chile, Ecuador, Peru, Mexico, Barbados, Jamaica ... etc.

What the hell are you talking about, you loud-mouthed little ignoramus?

Inigo Unsworth

To Peter from Maidstone

I exhibited at last year's Summer Exhibition with a photograph entitled, Four Courts Dublin.
Story behind the image: To many an Irish person looking at this image of the Four Courts, it is redolent of ‘home’, of Ireland’s capital city, the River Liffey that flows nearby where you have a building based on a classical Palladian design of James Gandon, a London-born architect who went to live in Dublin and was responsible for many important public buildings in one of Europe’s largest and thriving cities in the late 18th century.
The benign aesthetic appeal of this landmark belies a turbulent past where colonial domination, religious and political marginalisation, historical loss and national resurgence are part of Ireland’s cultural texture.

This year, I am showing a picture entitled, Per Agamemnon Ad Astra - it's in the Wohl Central Hall.
Story behind the image: This was taken at King Agamemnon’s grave in Mycenae, Greece. I was standing inside the burial complex looking out through the Lion Gate when I saw that these huge stones with a marvellous texture acted as a majestic framing device not only for the human figures nearby but also for the distant fields and mountains. In a split second, I imagined the picture before I depressed the shutter.

Re. blogging on a more regular basis. Sadly, my offer has been declined.

Verity

Fast Asleep - Mcarthy-ites

Wow!!! How old are you???

michael crockett

Verity,

I can think of a great many countries where there is not a democratic vote of any reality. The fact that you cannot makes you look like the loud mouthed little ignoramus that you clearly are, and demonstrate that you are.
Nicholas.

Am I allowed to respond like this when viciously attacked by this very unhappy person? Or am I sitting on top of my bien pensant dungheap crowing? I am sorry, but you are a bunch of very unhappy dinosaurs. And Verity, get stuffed.

Verity

Crockett - "I can think of a great many countries where there is not a democratic vote of any reality...".

Name them. (Other than the ones I already named, including the islamic dictatorships.)

Clear Memories

As the Coalition ties itself in knots trying to clamp down on ‘extremism’ without leaving itself open to accusations from the usual suspects on the left (led and pampered by the BBC), perhaps they might consider some relatively simple starting points.

Instead of trying to identify and shutdown so-called extremist web sites, just block all those in Arabic, Malay, Indonesian and any of the Indian sub-continent languages. It won’t stop the vileness of Islam but it will be easier to monitor what they are up to without the need for specialist translators.

Again, stop the mosques preaching in Arabic. Record the Friday sermons and close those mosques that allow offence of our national laws.

Most of all, start deporting those that offend from the Country. It doesn’t matter where they come from or even if they are white, British passport holders – if they sign up to the extreme end of the cult, I’m sure Saudi will give them a home.

Thucydides

michael crockett/Fast asleep,

You’re making the mistake of taking the regular posters here too seriously. You’re right in your allegations, of course, but the fact that a handful of clapped-out, bitter reactionaries with too much time on their hands have colonised this website is no big deal. I’m sure that, as you say, the Staggers is rather embarrassed by many comments, but it’s only the internet. Do as I do, and read for the entertainment (that Verity cracks me up every time). I particularly like it when, as happens every now and again, someone wonders why a) the Queen isn’t doing something about all these treasonous politicians, or b) Cameron doesn’t listen to the voice of reason as expressed here. No, really.

A moment’s silence now, please, for my cat wot died last year.

Frank P

Now here's somebody who knows how to strain the Greens:

http://www.countingcats.com/?p=9943

Wonderful.

Fast asleep

Verity - I salute your indefatigability. I admire your unselfconscious exposure of your total ignorance in so many areas. No matter how often insolent trolls seek to list the innumerable errors of fact in your posts, you sail blithely on, refusing even to acknowledge their existence.
I am also impressed by your choleric responses to any trolls who disagree with your narrow world view. So redolent of the playground.
Mentioning McCarthy must mean I am old!? If I mention Churchill, will this then make me older?
Your condition of invincible ignorance is no doubt why you identify so closely with your heroine, Sara Palin.

AAE

For those CHers who haven't yet come across Irish journalist Kevin Myers, here is where you will find him. Admirable, cutting, stylish and I recommend him.
www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/

michael crockett

Thucydides.

Thanks, you're right.

ITY. CHINA 1.3 bILLION
EX USSR 300M
MOST OF AFRICA
ALL MUSLIM DICTATORSHIPS.
INDIA DON'T KNOW. NEVER BEEN THERE.
QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WOULD YOU AGREE?

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Fast asleep
June 7th, 2011 1:04pm Report this comment

Nicholas - you are a pompous, bile-filled, paranoid egomaniac who, as leader of the 'ruling claque', egged on by your moronic cheerleaders (Verity and AWK) believes he has the right to banish people from this Wall.

Fast asleep, I am writing in astonishment at your poor judgement of character. Perhaps I am moronic, but a 'cheerleader' never. I am obviously a fool to respond to your barely literate postings, I will grant you that. However, I am a person who has never cheered on others, either sportsmen or politicians, preferring to place my trust in only One Being, and then following my own instincts and ideas.

Nicholas

Don't hold back Fast asleep! Don't flatter me though, I don't lead anything except in your febrile imagination.

"As evidenced by your oft-used, juvenile, tedious 'quip' - 'don't let the door etc..'(yawn)"

Really? I can only remember using that 'quip' once and in that case it was well deserved.

You must have been simmering away some long time as a lurker before spewing out that foaming rant. What I suggest you do is post something serious instead of worrying about other commentators so much and take a good hard look in the mirror after contemplating all you have posted so far. It's not very impressive and seems to consist entirely of abusing and ranting against other commentators you think you don't like. If you have a case beyond that then make it and good luck to you.

If the likes of you represent anything approaching "new" conservatism it answers a lot of questions though.

Nicholas

michael, I'm very happy thank you, but still waiting for you to post anything meaningful beyond your evident resentment that there are people older than you with opinions you don't care for and hurling ageist taunts at them. Concentrate on what you have to say and persuade us that your vision is worth buying into. Who knows?

michael crockett

Nicholas,

I would not necessarily agree about age. I am a mere boy of 68, how about you?

Nicholas

Ah, I see the predictable thucydides has scuttled out from under his rock to throw stones with the other miserables.

Come on then, one of you oh, so superior lurking newcomers, try making a comment that does not include a single word of prejudice or presumption about other commentators. Can you do it? Or does your world consist entirely of ranting and raging that you can't control everyone and make them think "correctly" like you?

Kennybhoy

Frank P on June 6th, 2011 8:49pm

I will remember you and yours in my prayers.

God Bless.

EC

Thucy Did or Thucy Didn't He?

Hey, how's it hanging with Peter Hitchens these days?

*ttp://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2011/02/thucy-did-or-thucy-didnt-he.html

EC

Geert Wilders' final eloquent speech (01-JUN-11) to the kangaroo court in Amsterdam.

Video and full transcript here:

http://www.geertwilders.nl/

Thucydides

Hello to you, too, Nicholas.

Bit rich of you to complain about other people filling their posts with prejudice and presumption, and for ranting and raging.

There. I think that this post does what you asked for. Easy as you like.

Kennybhoy

Richard of Moscow on June 7th, 2011 11:14am

Hi Man!

I was under the impression that last comment of mine on the previous Wall had got lost in the cyber void!

You are welcome to young Maister Aiden man! Seriously talented bhoy but he had been at Paradise way too long. His moving was the best thing for him and for Celtic. Although I must say that I was no alone in being surprised when he elected for Moscow! lol

David Ossitt

Some prat who is calling himself Fill, is now pretending to be the obnoxious phil, he is so obviously not, please do not point out to the impersonator his give away signals.

Nicholas

Fast asleep again: "Your desires for the reshaping of the Tory party would lead it to becoming a sect."

I don't want to re-shape the Tory party. I fear that is a lost cause already. I'd like a truly representative party though.

"Conservatives like yourself are the reason why the left continue to gain support."

Really? And yet you scold me for daring to express opinions with "zero evidence"? What is your evidence for that astonishing statement? You and me both know, if you are honest, that conservatives like me have little or no effect on the Left continuing to gain support as we have little or no effect on the galloping to disaster when not frantically u-turning, foot in it's mouth Tory party. It seems to be that the Tory party is providing plenty of support to the Left itself without any help from me.

"This was the thrust of my post - the editorial team at The Spectator must wince and groan inwardly when they see the usual line-up of loony tunes filing their paeans to a lost, and mythical, land."

And a very silly post it was too. Because you have no idea what they think unless you are one of them. In which case shame on you for your underhand methods. In a supposedly free country why shouldn't people express fondness for a lost past? And who says it is mythical? You do of course but is that enough? One of the things that is so puzzling about your ire is that it derives from a certitude that you choose to abuse when it is expressed by others. Is hypocrisy really a lost word to you? And that lefty thing of presuming that your views are the mainstream and all right-thinking people must deplore aged old duffers who have no business expressing their archaic views in our lovely new society - that is almost pure New Labour that is.

"As for your ludicrous remark re Frank P's post - how am I to know when or if a post of mine will appear? This is not real time posting."

Oh, I think you should re-read what I actually wrote before re-inventing it to reinforce your hate-filled prejudice. It seems that your feverish little hands are working faster than your brain behind its steamed up wonk spectacles. I was commenting on the unfortunate juxtaposition of the two posts not suggesting it was deliberate -but they still bear comparison.

Palin? Don't care for her. Certainly don't support her. At least if you're going to attack get your facts right. McCarthy? Because I dislike communists? Pff! Again your hyperbole is remarkably New Labour. Wild exaggeration and damning by invented association. Not surprising I suppose if you represent the "new" Tory party.

And rude to you? I'm holding back. For all your complaints about me your own arrogance and economy with the truth is breathtaking. If you do represent the "new" Tory party it must be as an empty vessel making much noise.

EC

Nicholas @3:30pm

Correct. "Don't let the door ..." is an oft used parting quip in the blogosphere but the only time that you have used it on 'The Spectator' website was in reply to michael crockett on May 24th.

Rather odd that "Fast Asleep" should pick up on this particular usage eh what?

michael crockett, May 4th, 2011 5:43am

Most posters here are throwing out the baby with the PC bathwater. To post here you must be an aged jewish racist, or have every comment attacked by armchair Ghengis Khans, to whom anyone with an opinion differing from the party line must be a lefty wanker. Not for me thanks. Bye.

Nicholas, May 4th, 2011 9:00am

michael crockett - don't let the door hit you on the way out and please take the PC bathwater with you and pour it over Harriet Harmthenation.

Verity

Clear Memories, I don't know how you came by your monicker, but "just block all those in Arabic, Malay, Indonesian and any of the Indian sub-continent languages...".

The ignorance is staggering. "Just bock all those in ... Malay, Indonesian ...". Apparently, oh worldly one, you don't know Bahasa Malaysia and Bahasa Indonesia are not two separate languages. That why, when Malaysia needs workers for huge construction projects, they bring in Indonesian workers, who are cheaper than the Malays - and more available as Malaysia has essentially full employment. The Malaysian bosses can talk to the workers as easily as a Brit can talk to an Aussie.

Mega duh.

Additionally,you appear not to be aware that India is far and away mainly a Hindu country (and they speak and write in Hindi). Ever heard of "Partition"? Did you know that the country of Pakistan was created out of the top of India so all the islamics could go and live there and get the hell out of India's hair?

Sri Lanka, which you quote as a trouble spot, follows mainly Therevada Buddhism, although the muslims (a tiny minority) practise suicide bombing. Most Tamil Tigers are Hindu.

Clear Memories, I don't know what you think you're "remembering", but you err comically.

Nicholas

Thucydides: "There. I think that this post does what you asked for. Easy as you like."

Er, no, it doesn't actually. Now see if you can post a comment that doesn't refer to another poster in disparaging terms. I have, plenty of times. Imagining me to be what you want me to be doesn't make it so. It may be unfair but all I can recall of any of your posts is snide sneering at other commentators. Pull one out that doesn't do that or include that and I'll happily take it back.

Nicholas

Thank you kindly for confirming it EC. Yes, looks like michael crockett has brought a playmate from the "new" Tories along.

Kennybhoy

Thickdiddy wrote:

"A moment’s silence now, please, for my cat wot died last year."

Cunnus!

John Richardson

...I'm still getting over 'ruling clique'.

I like that.
I like 'ruling clique'.

's cool.

Now there can be a
'breakaway splinter faction' and a 'power behind the throne' and an 'enforcer' and.....

Nicholas

And let's just savour that equitable, reasonable gem from the non-abusive, non-judgemental, non-offensive michael crockett and friends:-

"To post here you must be an aged jewish racist, or have every comment attacked by armchair Ghengis Khans, to whom anyone with an opinion differing from the party line must be a lefty wanker."

It appears you hit '6' instead of '2' when telling us your age.

Peter From Maidstone

I've started emailing quite a lot of people to see if they will write a short piece to help launch the site. Let's see who replies.

Kennybhoy

Re comments above

http://graphics.eiu.com/PDF/Democracy_Index_2010_web.pdf

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

michael crockett
June 7th, 2011 3:37pm Report this comment

Nicholas,

I would not necessarily agree about age. I am a mere boy of 68, how about you?

===========================================

Proves how unreliable preconceived ideas are. I was convinced you were a retarded youngster, taking an NVQ Level 1 course in English, on one of those enterprises JobCentre creates for useless bods. Now I find you have early onset dementia. Ah well, can't win them all!

Frank P

Kennybhoy (3.24pm)

Thank you kindly Sir. You are a kindred spirit.

Verity

My apologies for letting my guard slip on personal level, on a day which should for other reasons give all sapient beings pause for thought. Didn't mean to create a quandary for anyone, it just seemed to flow from the previous paragraphs. In retrospect I shouldn't have, and it was unfair and embarrassing. But it was sincere and heartfelt. One thing I would dispute in your touching message to AB in response to his quotation (excellent btw - our legal beagle is a star), is the 'stranger' self- description. After 9 years? You do yourself and injustice - no stranger to me, gal. I look forward to our daily ethereal interchanges with relish. Much as a blind man appreciates a friendly voice. Physical presence is by no means everything, which is really what I was trying to say, I suppose.

Thucydides.

My condolences for your feline fatality. Not only did I observe a minutes silence as requested, I was speechless about the implied comparison for a much longer period. Whether I should have been, given your previous postings here is another matter. But mea culpa - or my bad, as my transatlantic pals would put it. :-)

Kennybhoy

Inigo Unsworth wrote:

"Story behind the image: This was taken at King Agamemnon’s grave in Mycenae, Greece. I was standing inside the burial complex looking out through the Lion Gate when I saw that these huge stones with a marvellous texture acted as a majestic framing device not only for the human figures nearby but also for the distant fields and mountains. In a split second, I imagined the picture before I depressed the shutter."

Actually man surely you were standing inside the citadel of Mycenae looking out roughly north through the Lion Gate? The Treasury of Atreus/Tomb of Agamenonn is some distance away outside the citadel to the south east.

That said, it is a splendid image! For obvious reasons most photographers, amateur and professional alike, tend to fixate on the external view of the Lion Gate. But you went for the less obvious, and to my mind much more evocative and timeless view outward from just inside the gate. In this case even the modern human figures, usually such an annoying distraction at ancient sites, do not detract from the effect. The distance and the bright sun and the dark shadow have, in both the colour and black and white versions, rendered them timeless too...

Nicholas

THanks again to EC - Hitchens on Thucydides: "But this person, whose pseudonym, and style, are saturated with self-regard and accompanied by a lofty manner, cannot really be excused on the grounds that he knows not what he does."

Absolute gem. Thucydides considers himself "spiky" and concedes that Hitchens too gives as least as he good as he gets. Yet here he adopts an even loftier manner and disparages robust verbal contest in favour of sniping from cover.

Busted I think.

Nicholas

OT but I have twice tried to post quotes from the Bible here and had them rejected (not moderated - just won't let it post). Is there some mechanism at work preventing it? Could others please try a Biblical quote to see what happens.

Verity

Frank P - Elegantly put,as always.

Fast asleep

Nicholas - your rage is that of Caliban seeing his reflection in the glass. Decrying others for ranting and raving and personal attacks really takes the Huntly and Palmers.
The McCarthy reference is not because you 'dislike communists' (who doesn't), but relates to your numerous posts claiming to find Reds under every bed and bemoaning their 'long march' through every British institution.
I don't keep detailed records of posts, but can guarantee that I have groaned on many occasions at your constant demands that others leave the Wall if their thoughts differ from you and your claque, rather than engage in meaningful debate. AWK and the cretin Verity are serial offenders in this regard.
You remind me of these choleric old bores one finds in English golf clubs who are on high alert for any minor infraction of club rules so they can shove their weight around.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Nicholas 7:56
GENESIS 4:9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

Peter From Maidstone

Psalms 1:1-6 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Kennybhoy

Nicholas wrote:

"... (not moderated - just won't let it post). Is there some mechanism at work preventing it? ..."

Did yoo cut and paste an actual quote or a http link man? I have had problems doing so in the past. As recently as the Thursday, 2nd June 2011 "Where we are in Afghanistan" thread in fact.

The Post a Comment box does not seem to like links or cut and pasted material from some sites...

daniel maris

So are you going to take your disputes to teh Beth Din courts then PFM? Sounds like you've given up on our man made laws.

Gadabout Swine

"My name is Legion, for we are many."

Verity

Does anyone know where we can find Simon Heffer?

Dick Barton

Overt Top

I saw you wearing your medal on the Wall some hours back and then - poof - you'd gone. Please Sir, it wasn't me Sir!

Dick Barton

daniel maris

Where do you get YOUR ideas of right and wrong from? Do let us know, otherwise we will have to infer that you merely sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

Nicholas

Fast asleep - get your facts right. Hyperbole is no substitute for reason.

It may have escaped your notice that there has indeed been a long march through our institutions. And I am not the only commentator here to observe this. "Claiming to find Reds under beds"? Where? When? The fact remains that Britain is awash with socialists and the results are apparent to anyone with half a brain. I can't do anything about that but don't expect me to shut up about it. I'll rant if I want to.

I have never "demanded" anyone leave the Wall and there is no claque except in your perception. I have seen many posts applauded but that is hardly organised. Plenty of times the "regulars" here disagree. Whatever I remind you of (and however offensively articulated) is irrelevant because as an individual I have the right to express my opinion. So you have groaned? Who cares. What makes you the authority on what is or isn't boring? I have groaned on many occasions. including at each and every one of your posts that have so far done nothing but attack others. Shall I tell you what you remind me of? Let's leave that but mark it well that I refrained. We can all play those games and there are plenty of young bores - and worse - believe me.

Rules? What rules? The only person who has tried to establish rules here is one telemachus of the charter. More hyperbole. Transforming your evident dislike of me into feverishly imagined transgressions is unconvincing and impoverished fare.

And get this - and get it good. People don't have to agree with what is happening in Britain today, however old or boring they might be and however much you might not like what they have to say. You might despair at such anger and frustration but you won't shut it up. Because there is genuine anger and frustration and it's not just me.

Come out from under that silly pseudonym and post something that isn't a diatribe against other commentators and you might be surprised at the response. Continue to target me for your angst, like Overt Moon, and you are just another creepy stalker brimming over with falsely nurtured grievances and ill-concealed malevolance.

Rhoda Klapp

"Do let us know, otherwise we will have to infer that you merely sitteth in the seat of the scornful."

If I catch Daniel in my seat again there'll be trouble.

Dick Barton

EC
June 7th, 2011 4:15pm

I seem to remember a second use - Vale telemachus? - roughly as follows:

"and don't let the door hit your 'fiscally conservative' ass on the way out."

Perhaps memory plays tricks...?

Andy Carpark

I rise very briefly from my bed of pain to inquire whether the fractious new arrival, michael croquette, is in some way related to the excitable daniel maris.

And now, like Amfortas, I sink back upon my bed of pain. My bed of pain!

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Andy Carpark: I hope you weren't serious, but if you are in pain, I wish you a speedy recovery.
Please allow me a little poetic licence: After hearing that another U-turn is to take place, this time concerning reduction of prison sentences, may I suggest that a strong lavatory cleanser is required, which will reach all clogged up parts of the U-turn.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Just won a bet with myself. Heard on BBC radio news that 8 men in Manchester wre charged with abusing young girls and turning them into prostitutes. Naturally the men were unnamed. Looked on Google, and they are all called Mohammed or other such islamic name. Poor BBC, it must be hard for them to filter the news.

EC

Dick Barton @9:14am,

My word, your memory must be even better than Overt Moon's! (May 29th, 2011 9:43am)

Yes, there was a variation used in a humorous response to an incoherent rant by "I S" (May 28th, 2011 2:21pm) which included the glorious phrase,

"I am not a socialist and I am fiscally conservative” and also a complaint about “Nicholas having a McCarthy-style rant about communists.”

Fast Asleep (June 7th, 2011 1:04pm) gets up close and frothy when s/he complains about "Palin-worshipping, McCarthy-ites.“

Why do all these socialist denying, populist, fiscally conservative, church going types never have anything to say but to complain about other commenters exercising freedom of speech?

Why indeed!

salieri

Andy,

I am really sorry about the bed of pain and wish you a very speedy recovery. Your anguish has brought me back to the Wall, albeit fleetingly before the Queenofarts screeches "Off with his head" once more.

But I also sincerely hope that the cause of your pain is not the same as it was for that arch-bore Amfortas. I know Wagner only hints at it but the symptomatology is clearly syphilitic, Gurnemanz tiptoes pruriently round its origins in Act I, and Parsifal himself has a premonition of the same at Kundry's castle.

'Durch Mitleid wissend', indeed, as are we all.

daniel maris

Andy Carpark -

Must be a very high temperature for you to be indulging in such wild and feverish imaginings. Isn't Michael Croquette (whatever happened to Nestle Croquettes?) a left wing Tory - which means he's essentially at peace with capitalism. Whereas I am more what I would call a populist - which means essentially I am not at peace with capitalism.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

daniel maris
June 8th, 2011 10:50am
Nestles no longer make chocolate croquettes since they have now becoem absorbed in the boring sameness of the multinationals. Scoured the shops seeking round, good chocolates encased in a cardboard tube. Finally found them in M&S. They are called Swiss Chocolate and in cream and blue tubes. There are milk croquettes or plain chocolate ones. Quite good, and reasonably priced.

Dick Barton

'I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness.'

EC

Andy Carpark,

Haven't been dining out in Lübeck recently have you?

Was there a stranger in the pub recently? Looked like sixth former? Could have been Korski dosing your pint with a shot of Po-210. Any hair loss?

Forget Wagner, he was crap on X-Factor. Meditate, Zen and the art the Four-sprung Duck Technique etc.

Frank P

Andy Car Park

Further and better particulars, please. What's up, Doc? We are all agog! The power of positive thought from this arena is legion and renowned for its efficacious benefits as I know from personal experience, despite the flak of fools which feebly fizzles in spurts around us from the septic socialist swamp.

Andy Carpark

Anne and salieri - Thank you for the good wishes but I hasten to assure you that it is nothing so serious as either syphillis or … tuber-culosis (boom boom!).

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Is it so inconceivable that islamist terrorists are responsible for the infected salad vegetables in Europe? There is a history of produce being contaminated by these terrorists in supermarkets and other outlets. No doubt it is something that officials prefer not to mention, rather like the names of the child abusers in Rochdale who are all Pakistanis.

Nicholas

Thanks for the biblical quotes. I think it might have been a cutting and pasting problem as suggested by Kenny.

It's been fun but I've decided to bow out from now on. I think the regulars who write sense are in danger of being tarnished by association and it's apparent the Wall is under an orchestrated attack. If I don't write here the stalkers will have no bogeyman and Overt moon can refer legitimately to my memory without it sounding so creepy. See you occasionally on the other blogs.

I'll make sure that door doesn't hit me on the way out too ;-)

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

No, no, no, Nicholas! I too have been tempted to abandon ship as it isn't nice to mix with garbage. But this is just what has happened to once Great Britain. The islamists, chavs and other scum have taken over large urban areas, and soon will be spreading their slime on the countryside. Don't give the creatures an inch, let's just freeze them out. Any publicity is good publicity, so if we really ignore them there will be no satisfaction for them in their ravings

EC

Nicholas @12:46pm

Your leaving would be a sad day for the wall. There was no one better at excoriating the left and exposing their ploys, subterfuge and lies. I will also miss your encyclopaedic grasp of history and your erudite rebuttals of the crap that is sometimes foisted upon us. Please reconsider.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Moderators and Those in Charge of This Blog.

Surely writing "in memory" to a fellow blogger, such as Overt Moon has done, goes beyond the limits of free speech. It can be seen as either an evil wish or a sinister warning. I think this lunatic should be eclipsed and barred from this site. I am a subscriber to "The Spectator" and market forces surely temper your decisions.

Occasional Ostrich

"Carol Vorderman beats Pippa Middleton to 'Rear of the year'"

More likely "Arse of the pas'"?

Verity

AWK 12:28 - Agree with AWK. Let's just freeze the oiks out and keep Nicholas!

(BTW, AWK - I am surprised at your employing the Daily Mail Reader usage of "once Great Britain". Great Britain was not a self-admiring styling. Such would be totally unBritish. Britain is (or was, who can keep up with the febrile, fevered tweaking of Blair and Cameron, England and Scotland. Great Britain includes Wales. It's a name, not an opinion.

Some trollster above has been referring, over the last two or three days, about "McCarthy-style" rants.

What is important to remember is, it is now blazingly evident that McCarthy was right. Too bad we didn't have such a committed fighter against communism/socialism in Britain to keep Tone 'n Cher and Peter out. (And Harmon and Smith and all the other appeasement monkeys.)

Verity

Moderators - AWK 1:14 is right.

Alun Reynolds

Nicholas: I don't write much on this wall. I enjoy reading the opinions of some who write about the things I care about in a far more erudite manner than I could. So, I suppose I am a lurker.

However, I have noted that the wall has been invaded recently by an increasing number of posters who's single aim seems to be to bate those who do post opinion and enquiry and by doing so take over the agenda.

Whether this is deliberate or not, I don't know. But I can imagine that it might suit the left wing agenda to turn all right wing fora into exemplars of foaming diatribe.

But I have also noticed that the regular coffee housers have become more and more drawn into responding to, and thereby feeding, the trolls.

Often the very person counselling others not to feed the trolls goes on to feed them.

The net result is that the wall has become stilted and stiffled by sneer, rebuttal and counter rebuttal. Consequently it has become a less interesting read and often boring.

I find myself skipping over about two thirds of the posts because they are not arguments but slanging matches.

In the words of Mike and the Mechanics, "Go if you wanna go, stay if you wanna stay." But don't be chased away by the trolls. Just stop feeding them.

I would like to continue reading your stuff along with others. Though I may not say much.

Verity

Alun Reynolds's observation is sharp and correct.

We have begun responding to the trollsters, whose aim is destruction, not amusement or elucidation. I suggest we follow his advice and go back to ignoring them.

AAE

I too would be sad to see Nicholas go. So few journalists really square up to reality and have a lifetime's experience, emotional and empirical, to bolster their point of view. So, please Nicholas, stay, and without losing good-natured, argumentative banter, let's ignore the trolls remembering that on the right, whilst we express our views, we do not tell others what to think or what to do. The Left is a simplistic immature construct, built solely upon contradictions and disseminated solely by deceit, its success won because the general public tend to think well of others, and actually just want to be left alone to make their own lives in their own way. One of the many contradictions being that it was the Left who for years screamed about the evils of censorship, and yet they are the most censorious, and the degree of self-censorship that now exists in the UK has to come to an end.
If you do withdraw from here Nicholas, let us now where else we might find you.
And Gesundheit to Andy Carpark! Our funniest and most original wit! May Parsifal touch your wound with his wundervollen heiligen Speer, and have you up and about in no time.

Verity

AAE - What a civil, thoughtful post!

Re your observations about Nicholas ... seconded!

Frank Sutton

Alun Reynolds, June 8th, 2:04pm
I agree

David Ossitt

Nicholas.

I add my name to the list of those who ask you not to leave The Wall.

Looking back since before the last General Election we do seam to have attracted a much larger number of trolls than we have had previously, some like the friend of all things Palestinian appeared to be a number all posting under the same pseudonym, whilst others might well be one troll using a variety of nom de guerre.

One thing that they all have in common is their desire to do harm to The Wall.

There are many regulars here who are well capable of answering and correcting their manic socialist rants but you; often put forward your counter arguments in such plain, well thought out intelligent prose that you are a joy to read and you some up perfectly what many of us here think.

Please reconsider and stay.

Stuart Seacole Smith

Nicholas, I've not posted much recently but I pop in from time to time and agree with Alun Reynolds and others. It would be a shame to see you go, you write better and far more interestingly than most of the Speccie's journos!

The troll problem does seem to have got worse, but as others have said, best just to ignore them if it's one of the usual loonie-tunes writing under whatever moniker, they're usually not hard to spot. On the other hand, sometimes people write in with a contrary view, but in a balanced and thoughtful way, and they're worth engaging with I think.

Fast asleep

Nicholas - Don't go. Sincerely. I have had my say and that is the end of that. While I often disagree intensely with what you have posted, at least your posts are consistently well-written, truthful, historically accurate and credible.
Your contributions are clearly valued and you should definitely continue making them.

Sam Armstrong

Nicholas - I'm stunned that you mightn't post here any more. It seems like such a shame. It also means the vile trolls have won and a rare space for (semi) free speech on the English mainstream internet will be under threat. Under threat because I think it's clear that you are one of the anchors on this Wall, and it'd suffer greatly if you were to desist posting.

RocketDog

Re: Nicholas. Reds under Beds
Forced to go to the Hay festival to sit at the feet of teenage daughter's literary hero, Philip Pullman. Only to be treated, (after a planted question?), to a denouncement of CS Lewis. Might have well have been sat in the Kremlin
They really do get everywhere
The irony was that Hay was sponsored by the Telegraph and we were all sitting in near proximity to the 'Wealth Creation' tent. Maybe that is what Philip and the rest of the Guardianista's are doing with their twisted sensationalist take on what constitutes literature (childrens literature). Making 'hay' while the sun still shines

Overt Moon

Nicholas

I would be most upset if you went

If you saw my deleted Tuesday post you will have seen that it linked dement,sanctimonious and referred back to your humorous posts much in the spirit of the Overt Moon cynicism

Nicholas
May 29th, 2011 10:21am

Got under your skin that last one, eh? Still, at least you have confirmed it by another post demonstrating it so perfectly. But once again you've missed an award:-

'Creepy Stalker of the Wall Award'

which of course goes to the stupifyingly pretentious, smug and self-inflated human balloon Overt Moon. My own analysis coming up.

PS There is only one 't' in 'prat'. As in 'that well known prat of prats, Overt Moon'.

I enjoy such posts and wish the monitor would leave my posts which are to my mind every bit as thought provoking

Frank P

Can't believe you'd even consider leaving the fray; there's a war on! FSMO please, we would be bereft without our doughtiest culture warrior. The fact that the platform is attracting attention from the latest watery metamorphosis of agitprop is good sign surely? I get weary too sometimes, but I suspect you now have a following that is loyal and inspired by your example and your purple prose and pungent wit. So many of the silent majority agree with your sentiments and your contributions spread hope in the descending gloom.

Please reconsider.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Verity
June 8th, 2011 1:56pm
Verity, good day!
Earlier you mentioned it was a pity Great Britain did not have someone to keep the communists at bay. We did have a brilliant man, perhaps one too bright for the Land of the Blind, where the one-eyed man is king. But of course I am leaping ahead and Brown came much later. The man I am referring to is Enoch Powell. An absolutely brilliant scholar, a writer and above all a man of the people, who rose by sheer talent from the working classes. A true patriot who was maligned by the armchair 'liberals' of his day.

daifromwales

The leftist troll problem is everywhere. When an Engishman is screamed at by the maniacal Left because he dares to open his own fee-paying college, what hope is there? They will not even let people spend their own money to do the best for their own children.
Liberal democracy has been crushed and those Leftists who in the early 1970's used to cram late night emergency meetings of Cambridge University colleges to pass motions to illegally divert boat club funds to striking miners are now running the entire show. The farcical signing-up to the lunatic theories of the European Convention on Human Rights was implemented by Jack Straw - a man who went straight from 1960's school politics to 1970's student politics to labour party politics withour ever having done an honest day's work in his life. What does he know or care about commerce. So he created the law which our crazed judges now use to pretect murderous arms dealers from the attention of the Press.
They must understand the destruction they have wrought to the ability of our nation to make enough money to sustain itself inaa competive world - but they care not since true Socialist Dictators (and their friends) gain most power most effectively in the poorest countries - so they want us to be poor.
They wantonly fail to recognise that the working classes need somebody who is clever enough to employ them.
They have removed freedom of speech - if Winston Churchill said today what he said in the 1930's, he would be put in prison.
Because of their blind adherence to their faith, we have ethanol in our fuel - and today's world food price report shows a 10% rise largely because corn is twice last year's price - because it is being grown for fuel instead of food.
Those who complain are accused of being old and foolish. What the young do not have is the knowledge of what we have lost.
They are so PC that they even employed a blind philanderer as their Home Secretary - a man who could not even see the social consequences of his own actions.

Frank P

What gives? A three hour shut down?

charles hercock

Fresh from BBC iplayer to watch the mid-day Dave and Ed Show
Ed really is a plonker but the star was Ken's beer gut
If he cannot get himself into shape, what chance justice

Sad to see the fractious wall today
We occasional dippers enjoy the banter which is mostly good humoured.Nicholas posts his best when stimulated by Patricia Shaw,IC and particularly the Greeks who seem to be mostly gone.Even Overt's recent feeble pastes raise a smile.

Where is Yank this week? Where is Richard?

postergirl

Nicholas - you can't go, you're needed on the barricades !

Verity

Daif from Wales 8:53 p - Good summing up.

AWK - Enoch Powell was a hero. The left is scared to death of him, even today. You can tell by their malice every time anyone says or writes his name.

Noa.

Window lickers.

Are they just pains on the glass?

Nicholas.

You are at your convincing best when analysing and expounding a formed and informed point of view of current affairs and matters of interest to you.

Your responses to the trolls, while generally entertaining and convincing to the dispassionate reader, really just plays into their hands.
Time spent on rebutting foolish, mischevious or ill intentioned comments, ad hominem or otherwise, is not the most creative way of using it.

daniel maris

Thanks for the Croquette tip, AWK.

Noa.

On the subject of those photographs above from the Royal Acadamy: interesting though they may be-not very, imo, Quentin Letts has passed judgement on the pretension and quality of modern British art in the Daily Mail and not surprisingly, finds it sorely wanting.

But back to those photos - why?

daniel maris

I tend to the view held by Kingsley Amis, who met him, that Enoch Powell was "mad, literally mad" (to use EP's own phrase).

For a man of logic he wasn't very logical: supporting the link with India and
NHS-backed immigration, which did so much to establish the pattern of mass immigration; a free marketeer who left the Tory Party to join a resolutely protectionist political party (the Unionist Party).

He was best in opposing the European superstate project. Sadly his opposition to mass immigration set back the cause because it was racist in tone and content.

Noa.

I see Rowan Williams has been bleating to his fast dwindling flock about wicked Coalition cuts via the good orifices of the New Statesman.

This is entirely right and natural for a tax payer funded Benefit scrounger of the first rank.

Warsi & Warsi

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2001194/Peers-line-40-cent-rise-expenses.html

Does this include free trips to Pakistan for any lordettes who have a family celebration coming up? Does this count as "expenses"? Does it include using a government car and driver for personal use overseas?

As a side issue, I am still interested in why the chairperson of the Conservative Party had a role in Pakistan and why she had a government car and driver, and security. When did she become a government official?

Did the taxpayer pay for her Pakistan trip, and if so, why? Who did she have meetings with? And why was whatever toy task she had been given not executed by the British High Commissioner or a member of his staff on the ground?

I am still very puzzled about why Pakistan needed a visit from the chairman of the British Conservative Party.

Kennybhoy

Noa opines:

"On the subject of those photographs above from the Royal Acadamy: interesting though they may be-not very, imo, Quentin Letts has passed judgement on the pretension and quality of modern British art in the Daily Mail and not surprisingly, finds it sorely wanting."

What a petty wee comment.

I very much doubt that QL had such utterly uncontroversial and indeed traditional works as these photographs in mind when he wrote his article.

"But back to those photos - why?"

Why not? There is a standing invitation at the top of the Wall to submit such to "give the wall a splash of colour...". The photographer is also the author of a recent thread, illustrated by more of his photographs, which provoked some interesting, insightful and touching comments.

What is your problem...?

dg

Lord Tebbit's blog, http://www.critical-reaction.co.uk, was updated at the end of May with 7 new articles. Writers include Air Commodore Andrew Lambert, Colonel Tim Collins, and Commander John Muxworthy.

EC

Photographs. Add that to a long list of things that I used to be good at. No matter how good, no matter how much care and attention that I took with them, my mum always used to refer to them as "snaps."

EC

.... actually, in reality, not such a long list!

EC

New Labour's stupidity or treachery?

Melanie Phillips in today's Mail.

"The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) and related groups were handed £550,985 over a period of three years by the Department of Communities and Local Government."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2000622/Islamic-extremism-I-warned-years-ago--ministers-admit-I-right.html

Raffles

Noa - i hear you sir. What an increasingly irrelevant figure Rowan Williams is. He is so removed from the real world that only the BBC could see fit to report his inane ramblings. He is a disgrace to his Church and would seem happy to welcome sharia law to these shores. Onward Christian Soldiers indeed! The man's a joke and should resign his post and join the Liveral Democrats where his spiritual home clearly is.

Peter From Maidstone

I am pressing on with developing a website with a forum for easy and open discussion of conservative views and in which trolls are quickly eliminated.

I'd appreciate it if a few of the old guard here who have expressed support would email me at john.ball.maidstone@gmail.com so that I can point you in the direction of the site and ask for your advice and comments.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

daniel maris
June 9th, 2011 12:10am
Interesting similarity in the character of Winston Churchill. He shone as the brightest star in the dark war days, and once that time was over returned to mediocre statesmanship. EP never actually had the opportunity to lead, but I believe he would have made an excellent prime minister. Madness is a convenient label to place on those who don't follow the herd, eccentric is a kinder term, but still not truly correct.

Crofter

Daniel - Was it Ian MacLeod who said of Enoch - 'Poor Enoch - driven mad by the remorselessness of his own logic."

Noa.

Kennybhoy

"What a petty wee comment".

Well, you make enough of them.

"I very much doubt that QL had such utterly uncontroversial and indeed traditional works as these photographs in mind when he wrote his article".

How do you know? Have you asked him? Wh/

"But back to those photos - why?"

Why not? There is a standing invitation at the top of the Wall to submit such to "give the wall a splash of colour...". The photographer is also the author of a recent thread, illustrated by more of his photographs, which provoked some interesting, insightful and touching comments.

"What is your problem...?"

Rather, the better question is, what is yours?

Austin Barry

Does ABC Rowan Williams realise how absurd and deeply sinister he looks?

If you saw someone resembling this failed exercise in topiary wandering near a kiddies' playground you would almost certainly call the police.

Herbert Thornton

daniel maris (June 9th, 12:10am}

Some of what you say about Enoch Powell is rather mystifying. One of your criticisms of Enoch Powell is he changed his mind about a couple of topics. Yet in support of your criticism you cite Kingsely Amis who also changed his mind, from being a Communist to later declaring that he would always vote for the Labour Party and then finally became some kind of Conservative. Whether Amis really was in the end, genuinely Conservative is somewhat doubtful - though that is clearly true of most of the Conservatives who now hold political power.

I agree with you that Enoch Powell was absolutely right to oppose the European superstate project.

But when you say - "Sadly his opposition to mass immigration set back the cause because it was racist in tone and content" it seems (to me) that although what you say is true in the sense that it reflected much public opinion, it was public opinion that resulted from constant propaganda by Political Correctness about its dogma concerning 'racism' .

Enoch Powell clearly recognised that the dogma was unsound - hence his pithy comment - "What's wrong with racism?"

Frank P

My naughty niece's latest missive:

>Sometimes when I reflect back on all the wine I drink I feel shame. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the vineyards and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this wine, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then I say to myself, "It is better that I drink this wine and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver."
~ Jack Handy

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may leave you wondering what the hell happened to your bra and knickers.

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"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're gonna feel all day."
~Frank Sinatra

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may create the illusion that you are tougher, smarter, faster and better looking than most people.

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"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading."
~ Henny Youngman

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may lead you to think people are laughing WITH you.

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"24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case . Coincidence? I think not."
~ Stephen Wright

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause you to think you can sing.

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"When we drink, we get drunk. When we get drunk, we fall asleep. When we fall asleep, we commit no sin. When we commit no sin, we go to heaven. So, let's all get drunk and go to heaven!"
~ Brian O'Rourk e

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause pregnancy.

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"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
~ Benjamin Franklin

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol is a major factor in dancing like a loony.

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"Without question, the greatest invention in the history of mankind is beer Oh, I grant you that the wheel was also a fine invention, but the wheel does not go nearly as well with pizza."
~ Dave Barry

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause you to tell your friends over and over again that you love them.

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To some it's a six-pack, to me it's a Support Group. Salvation in a can!
~ Dave Howell

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may make you think you can logically converse with members of the opposite sex without spitting.

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And saving the best for last, as explained by Cliff Clavin, of Cheers. One afternoon at Cheers, Cliff Clavin was explaining the Buffalo Theory to his buddy Norm.
Here's how it went:

"Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."

WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may make you think you are whispering when you are not.<

She is a one, my naughty niece!

Frank P

"Does ABC Rowan Williams realise how absurd and deeply sinister he looks?"

Not only does he realise it, Austin, he cultivates it! It is neither accidental nor evolutionary - it is contrived.

What is even more sinister is that millions take him seriously. Peter Bumley MP defended him stoutly and 'welcomed his contribution to the education debate' this morning on Sky News.

Sam Armstrong

ABC is an imposter working on behalf of the Islam/Ultraleft milieu.

Frank P

Gerard Vanderleum waxes metaphorical and surreal on the American member (following on from Weiner's spambot penis):

*ttp://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_studies/a_modest_propos.php

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

What a pity Hammer no longer make horror moves. A remake of The Devil Rides Out by Dennis Wheatley, starring ABC as a black magic wizard would be superb.

Verity

To the lovely Daniel Maris, re Enoch Powell - "Sadly his opposition to mass immigration set back the cause because it was racist in tone and content."

No, the ambitious socialists and thought fascists used Mr Powell's words, skewing them, of course, to the One Worlder cause, to trash him in the media because he frightened them.

Most humans want to live among their own kind, or at least equals. No one wants an inferior group imposed on them. That the One Worlders have got away with this for so many decades is astounding.

No one complains about the very large number of Poles in the country. That is not because they're white, but because they share our culture, our way of doing things, and our religious values. At the same time, I cannot recall one complain in the media about the Indians, or the Sikhs, in our midst. Their religions are different from ours, but the values are the same.

Enoch Powell was right.

Verity

EC "New Labour's stupidity or treachery?"

You had to ask?

Crofter - Right minded people remember Enoch Powell with great warmth and admiration. Ian who?

Austin Barry 12:48 - Good laugh with first cup of tea. Excercise in failed topiary! Must remember that!

Frank P - another series of winners from your niece!

David Ossitt

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

“EP never actually had the opportunity to lead, but I believe he would have made an excellent prime minister. Madness is a convenient label to place on those who don't follow the herd, eccentric is a kinder term, but still not truly correct.”

Hello Anne; eccentric certainly but apart from his huge intellect he had that one truly rare trait for a politician, Churchill had it as does the blessed Margaret, he was a true and genuine patriot.

Not many of those around these days and certainly non on the left.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Verity: Further to your latest posting on Race and Enoch Powell: There is nothing worse than an armchair socialist. Glenda Jackson, a lovvie who grows uglier each year has caused a storm. I have copied a paragraph from the DM. Glenda Jackson was plunged into a race row last night after she suggested migrants were engaged in ‘picking strawberries’ and ‘digging up potatoes’.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2001245/Labour-MP-Glenda-Jackson-suggests-immigrants-fruit-pickers-sparks-race-row.html#ixzz1On6ymSeH

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

David Ossitt
June 9th, 2011 3:35pm
Hello David,
I appreciate and value your judgement, so I was happy you share my opinion of the late Enoch Powell.

EC

Anne Wotana Kaye,

Hammer are back! "The Woman In Black," based on Susan Hill's book, is due to be released very soon-ish. Screenplay by Jane Goldman. (Mrs Jonathan Ross) Saw the stage version a few years back - scary!

http://www.hammerfilms.com/productions/film/filmid/24/the-woman-in-black

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

EC
June 9th, 2011 4:11pm
Great! Will see it. By the way, I know I am being catty, but isn't Ross's wife rather scary? :=)

Peter From Maidstone

The film is due out 10th Feb 2012

EC

Anne Wotana Kaye,

Yes, but she needs to be! No you're not being catty because my inner "Norman Clegg" thinks that too.

Hammer have a great back catalogue of films although I only tend to remember the relatively modern ones with Vincent Price, Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee.

Andy Carpark

AWK - I saw a TV dramatisation of The Woman in Black in 1989 and it scared the strides off of me. Other recommednations include…

'"Theatre of Blood (1973)" * was great, but did you also see "The Abominable Dr Phibes" (1971) and Dr Phibes Rises again (1972) in which Dr Phibes, also played by Vincent Price, despatches his victims by a variety of gruesome methods based loosely on the biblical plagues of Egypt. Plenty of scope for you there!' (EC, Wall 21-27 Feb 2011)
* in which Robert Morley's character meets his end by being force-fed dog pie through a funnel.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

EC & Andy Carpark:
First, EC. I am very ignorant, and had to look up who Norman Clegg was. I never saw that serial, so don't recall the character. I only know of one man called Clegg, and despite his political views, I don't think he is catty!
Andy: Those old films sound brilliant. Somehow I missed them, but I'll hunt around for DVCs.

Frank Sutton

Anne Wotana Kaye 1, June 9th, 4:01pm.

Yes but wasn't that a fuss about nothing in the Mail article.

I think the Mail has been stoking up a bit of bogus outrage.

Even if Glenda was wrong, why take offence?

Verity

AWK - "Clegg, and despite his political views, I don't think he is catty! -"

No, is sadly lacking in the feline element. Successful lawyers tend to have a strong feline streak. John Redwood has a good catty streak.

I propose that cattiness is a right wing element of the brain.

Verity

PS - Aspiring to cattiness and failing is a lefty brain characteristic. Witness Jo Brand and all the usual suspects.

Overt Moon

Dick Barton
June 6th, 2011 11:10pm
You really are a ray of sunshine

You may have the sanitised last awards that were deleted

THE ........ AWARDS

The poser award-dedicated to

"I perform self deprecating comedy, but I’m not very good at it"

The comedian award-for

Can you give me a LIST OF EMPLOYEES BROKEN DOWN BY SEX? THE COMPANY DIRECTOR ASKED HIS ASSISTANT
“Well yes” she replied “but we have more problems with alcohol”

And finally The dement award

What Iran needs now is a more modern leader-a Muller litel

Frank P

Anne/EC/Andy

Remember the Man in Black - Valentine Dyall; just a radio voice, but as a kid I found that my imagination could produce far more scary images as a result of his dark yarns than any film or TV equivalent.

Overt Moon

And now to comment on the sob stories on yesterdays wall

Unlike the hard right I try to keep an open mind. I detest both the hard right and the lefties in equal proportion. I resent being bracketed with the "leftist trolls"

However I more resent the bleeding hearts who decry any interference with the cosy tranquility of the wall. I believe one of the wall community called them "luvvies"

For 2 years I have posted neutral thoughts under a different pseudonym on both CH proper and the wall and I became appalled at the derision some of my posts received from the cosy posters with foreign names or names pretending to be true. My pasting persona, slightly mocking, was equally lumped with the loathsome lefties.

However unlike Peter I do not mind VICIOUS criticism because it stimulates debate

How many fools will go to your cosy rightist blog, not supported by the true jounalism of the CH proper

If Nicholas is so fragile then it is well he left

Overt Moon

Does ABC Rowan Williams realise how absurd and deeply sinister he looks?

A more important question is does David Cameron's lineage date back as far as Richard le Breton?

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Frank Sutton
June 9th, 2011 6:35pm
Frank, I always have a good chuckle at how the "DM" gets outraged at petty things. Somebody getting too fat, too thin, etc. Always good for a laugh.

daniel maris

Verity -

Plenty of people have complained about Poles: Hitler and post war Germans have complained about them plenty.

And not everyone in this country is happy with the impact of their arrival. Many people resent their kids crowding classrooms and the way they depress wages in certain sectors.

If you think no one's ever complained about Indians or Sikhs, you are way off the mark. I was livid about the way a Sikh mob closed down that play about a Sikh temple (Besti??).

I am happy to be a One Worlder (not a one stater) - I like people who follow civilised ways of life: I feel no affinity at all to the sizeable minority of tatooed, devil dog owning, gun toting, knife wielding, brain dead, semi-criminal. I'd much prefer a pleasant Pakistani couple next door than one of those.

David Ossitt

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

“Norman Clegg, I never saw that serial, so don't recall the character.”

Hello Anne; sad to say but you have missed a treat.

It ran for many years, I do believe the longest ever comedy series, every single episode written by the same man.

It was set in the lovely Yorkshire small town of Holmfirth, it was always sunny, every character was old, (but all the men behaved like boys) and it was a joy to watch.

Buy a boxed set, do your research and try to start at the beginning, such kind gentle humour; we will never see the likes again.

Mind; northern humour sometimes does not travel south.

David Ossitt

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

PS.

It was called "Last of the Summer Wine".

Dick Barton

"I am grateful to all who engaged in the great sport of humourless troll-baiting, but you must not do it too often or the RSPCA or the thought police may be called in."
(Norman Tebbit. DT)

Kennybhoy

Hammer Films!! Oh Yes!

I love em' all, including the two TV series, but my personal favourites...

My all time favourite is "The Devil Rides Out"! Christopher Lee IS the Duc de Richleau!

And in no particular order...

The war film "Yesterday's Enemy".

"Fanatic"

"The Damned"

"She"

All of the Mummy films but especially "Blood From The Mummy's Tomb"!

Ahem, "Twins of Evil". Poor Peter Cushing seemed to be living his part...

And, now dinnae laugh, "Dracula AD 1972"! lol Aye ah know that most consider it to be risible but I love the pre credits opening! Talk about yer original way to stake a vampire! lol And that sudden switch from the Victorian graveyard to 1972 London with "cool, swinging" music blaring out!

Och happy days. I wish I could see them all again for the first time...

Kennybhoy

Noa at 12:46pm

Weak Noa...very weak. Playground stuff...

Peter From Maidstone

Verity, drop me an email if you will at john.ball.maidstone@gmail.com

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Frank P
June 9th, 2011 7:13pm
Frank, The Man in Black really sent shudders down my spine. A very scary film was one in a series of stories in a country house. Archie, a talking mannikin (I can't spell the correct V word) and his owner, commit murder. I also saw Bela Lugasta in "Dracula" at the Shepherds Bush Empire. Nearly gave me a nervous breakdown when my cat climbed along the window sill and scratched on the window!

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

David Ossitt
Hi David,
I will see that series once I've finished what I'm reading. Thanks.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Bela Lugosi Correct spelling. Apologies!

Kennybhoy

Frank P

Re Valentine Dyall...

I was born too late to hear the original broadcasts. When I was a wee lad my Dad, God be good to him, and my older siblings would regale me with tales of how bloody scary "Appointment With Fear" was! Only four episodes remain alas...

AAE

Overt Moon

'neutral thought' is one of those mutually contradictory concepts that simply cannot exist. Something for your open mind to exercise itself upon.

Verity

Oh Gawwwdd! ... or Oh, Gord! ... Hillary Clinton has said she's "interested" in becoming the head of the World Bank. And the IMF is eying Gordon Brown up flirtatiously.

Next, Cherie Blair or Angela Merkel will express "an interest" in heading up the UN.

I have said repeatedly that there is no real reason for any of these socialist, One Worlder organisations to exist. None.

Once we get a right winger in the White House and hopefully dump Chameleon Cameron for a Conservative, these international boon doggles should be turned firmly off and the headquarters of all of them sold off. They will contribute far more to economies as luxury condominiums with helipads on the roofs than they ever did as snide, posturing, communist talking shops for the greedy third world.

daniel maris

Frank P -

Time for you to tell someone to get a room.

daniel maris

Frank P

I don't think it was Frank Sinatra who came up with that quote (below) - predates him by a good few years I'm pretty sure. But they were funny comments - and Cliff Clavin is much missed. Odd point: what the hell was Cheers filmed on? Have you ever seen the repeats? It's like being in a room with a 40 watt bulb.

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're gonna feel all day."

Sam Armstrong

Verity: "The ambitious socialists and thought fascists used Mr Powell's words ... to trash him in the media"

Indeed, and Mr. Edward Heath was the official who offered up, or sanctioned the offering up of, Enoch Powell for sacrifice, thus setting the tone for race relations in Britain and leading to the problems we have today dealing with Islam in our midst.

The same Edward Heath who put us in the Common Market, knowing full well (there is now documented evidence of this) that the Common Market implied a European superstate.

I do agree with some posters that Enoch Powell was politically inept, but he was a first class mind and a deeply impressive man.

Kennybhoy

Noa on June 9th, 2011 12:46pm

Weak Noa...very weak. Playground stuff.

Crofter

Verity - "Ian who?' The depth and breadth of your proudly professed ignorance is of Palinesque proportions.

Kennybhoy

Frank.

Valentine Dyall!

Alas I was born too late to hear any original broadcasts of "Appointment With Fear". My Dad, God be good to him, and my elder siblings used to regale wee Kenny with tales of how bloody scary they were. And now there are only four remaining recordings...

"The Pit and the Pendulum" along with loads of other radio horrors/thrillers can be listened to/downloaded for free from the excellent site at the link immediately below.

http://www.radiohorrorhosts.com/horrorhosts.html

Kennybhoy

Speccie Techie in the Basement Cupboard!

Are you taking the piss?

I originally posted these three hours ago! Gone Midnight and a load of posts by others timed after mine and I naturally assumed that my posts had got lost in the cyber aether and reposted. As soon as I did so the F****** originals show up! I say again! Are you taking the piss?

Verity

Daniel Maris, as I wrote, but mysteriously didn't appear, earlier, it was not Frank Sinatra who made the comment, but it did not "predate him by a good few years".

It was made by another member of the Rat Pack, Dean Martin, on his regular TV show. He always played it slightly tipsy.

Crofter, haven't a clue about the Ian you're talking about and, given your leaden writing above, am not motivated to scroll up and find out.

Kennybhoy

Anne Wotana Kaye 1 on June 9th, 2011 10:44pm

That would be the horror anthology "Dead of Night" with Sir Michael Redgrave as the ventriloquist. Nightmare inducing stuff! Quite possibly one of the scariest films ever!

Frank P

Daniel Maris (11.51pm)

"Time for you to tell someone to get a room."

Careful, that sort of offer would have got your collar felt in days of yore.

Frank P

daniel maris (11.56)

"I don't think it was Frank Sinatra who came up with that quote (below) - predates him by a good few years I'm pretty sure."

Unless you can come up with a day, date, time, place and name - my naughty nieces attribution stands! And in any case, what makes you think that any of Sinatra's wisecracks were original? He probably picked them all up as a kid in his mother's bordello in Hoboken. And if you now remember that's where you heard that one before, I shall require a sight of your birth certificate and passport.

Frank P

Crofter (12.33am)

You'll have to adjust to V's sardonic s.o.h if you want to spar with her. I can see one eyebrow raised from here.

And on the subject of Palin, pray tell: how many States in America did you govern before retiring to tend and shag sheep?

Verity

Crofter ... aw shucks, I'm not as good a shot as Palin. And I've never shot a rifle. But thank you anyway! Much appreciate the compliment!

Rhoda Klapp

Frank, Daniel, it was Frank's buddy Dean Martin. It has his style all over it, and he performed it on his TV show. I do not know whether it was original to him.

EC

Re quotes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxXW6tfl2Y0

daniel maris

Frank P -

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/d/dean_martin.html

Well without spending too much time on it, I'll give you the above citation which says it came from the mouth of Dean Martin. I suspect it had been around for a few decades by then.

Anyway, I don't know why you are so ready to leap to the defence of a draft dodger, friend of the mob and Democrat to boot.

Noa.

Kennyboy - a response in kind to an AH post.

Noa.

Danial Maris

"I feel no affinity at all to the sizeable minority of tatooed, devil dog owning, gun toting, knife wielding, brain dead, semi-criminal.(sic). I'd much prefer a pleasant Pakistani couple next door than one of those".

What's the link between them though? The affinity they both have with Danial Maris Esq, liberal spinster and oddtime totalitarin dictator of the Parish of the Wall?

Surely both are the result of the very 'progressive', one state policies which you so admire!

And both are very successful and fast growing products of the benefits culture that respectively created and attracted them, the one certainty of which is that the UK's oligargich pod of politicians will use your ever increasing taxes to fund them and their votes at your expense.
Until such time that is, when you are living on a sink estate with the devil dog lovers (dog lovers eh? So not all bad then?) and the newly arrived second cousins of that nice Pakistani family have moved into your house, repossessed by the HMRC because of your failure to pay the taxes due.

Noa.

Kenny boy - I've just noticed the same post from you at both 9.16pm and 12.20am.

Did you forget you had posted already, or did you feel it was of such import it benefited from repetition?

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Daniel Maris and Noa: I'd much prefer a nice, friendly middle-class English family next door with a cuddly labrador dog and a tabby cat, than a interbred Pakistani family, some of the children with twelve fingers, and the wives wearing burquas whilst the men traffic in white under-age girls and drugs. Two sides of the same coin?

Kennybhoy

Noa on June 10th, 2011 9:41am wrote:

"Kennyboy - a response in kind to an AH post."

Mair like the pathetic wriggling of one who, his original ill thought comment having been challenged and who is unable to think of anything further to say by way of corroboration or justification, promptly resorts to playground level debating devices and personal insult.

Kennybhoy

Noa on June 10th, 2011 9:41am wrote:

"Kennyboy - a response in kind to an AH post."

Mair like the pathetic wriggling of one who, his original ill thought comment having been challenged and who is unable to think of anything further to say by way of corroboration or justification, promptly resorts to playground level debating devices and personal insult.

Frank P

EC (9.06am)
Exactly!

Rhoda (8.19am)

"Dean Martin".

Thanks' But let's keep that entre nous; if I rudely correct my naughtie niece she might think I was being picky and not bother to pass on any more memes. :-)

Btw, is there such any such thing as an original joke, other than the putative Creator's - kick-starting humanity? And then again, who knows whether that one was an original, either?

David Ossitt

I did not switch to Question Time last night until about 10.55pm, that horrible woman Germaine Greer was spouting utter nonsense as usual with regard to the sexualisation of childhood; she was particularly disgusting when she boldly stated that little girls were encouraged to flirt with their own fathers when giving Daddy a bed time kiss.

She made it sound dirty, but then she is was and ever will be a mucky old cow.

By the bye, did anyone else notice that there was a veritable clack in the audience, not as is usual dotted about higgledy-piggledy but two distinct rows mainly all women and all there to barrack the excellent Peter Hitchens?

Kennybhoy

Noa on June 10th, 2011 10:21am

This effort might actually be considered quite witty were it not for the fact that most folk are well aware of how erratic the moderation is around here. lol

PS To Speccie Techie in the Basement Cupboard! Wot happened to my "Are you taking the piss?" comment addressed to your good self in the early hours? Ditto the second half of my Valentine Dyall response?

Kennybhoy

Speccie Techie in the Basement Cupboard!

And while I am on the subject of missing and/or delayed comments! What happened to my "Dead of Night" comment addressed to AWK1? ARRRGGGHHH!!! lol

MikeF

Re Rowan Williams I think a useful exercise might be to collate a list of policies and laws implemented by the last Labour Government that were 'not voted for' by the electorate. The obvious starting point is mass immigration to "rub the right's nose in diversity" i.e. to alter the demography of the country for reasons of electoral advantage and antipathy to established cultural values and identities.

David Ossitt

Peter from Maidstone.

Hello Peter an interesting nom de plume ‘John Ball’ that you have chosen for your own Blog, he who was imprisoned in Maidstone Castle after the Peasants Revolt and then was hung, drawn and quartered in the market place.

Now those were the days when the judges gave miscreants reasonably strong punishments.

Truly a name to live up to!

Kennybhoy

Speccie Techie in the Basement Cupboard!

Which one of you is in the cupboard today? lol

daniel maris

Dimbleby's attempt encourage the mobbing of Peter Hitchens - similar to what he did (more deservedly though) to Griffin - was quite disgusting, given he is a democrat and someone who subscribes to civilised values. I don't actually agree with Hitchens that much - I think his stance is as much to do with his personal baggage (suicide Mum, drink and drugs dabbling and sibling rivalry) as any objective analysis. Children in the 19th century were hardly unsexualised when the legal age limit for marriage was 13 and child prostitution was rampant. So that wasn't a golden age. And the 1950s saw a lot of covered up child abuse in schools, churches, orphanages and family homes.

However Dimbleby's smug inquisition was pretty repulsive.

Talking of personal baggage - we all know Greer had a difficult to non-existent relationship with her now deceased (sex addicted) Dad. I think that had as much to do with her comments as anything else, since they were pretty bizarre in context.

daniel maris

AWK - So would I, but it's purely cultural as far as I am concerned. Given all else being equal I will of course prefer someone who understands all my cultural references so we can communicate easily. But civility and friendliness come first. I should add I've had neighbours from various nationalities including French, Iranian, Pakistani, Nigerian and Australian. And, yes, it was the Australians (closest to me genetically) who caused all the problems - being rude, noisy, law breaking and careless of their neighbours' quality of life.

Austin Barry

Judging from her appearance on QT last night, Germaine Greer seems to have ‘jumped the shark’ in terms of sanity.

One particularly emetic moment, mentioned above, was when the childless Greer stated, with suggestive movements, that little girls were being ‘flirtatious’ when they kissed Dad goodnight and implied, I think, that the little tykes should dress in twin sets or Sandi Toksvig boiler suits.

As she puzzled over the origins of our sexualised society, I couldn’t help but recall a 1960s photograph of the young, nude Greer shot from above with her legs drawn up to her chin and her intense mouth forming the third orifice. (Subject to the usual caveats for those of a sensitive nature, the snap is available on the net.)

It is now difficult to determine from which orifice the harridan's views emanate.

David Ossitt

Kennybhoy

Might I suggest that you treat the Spectator staff with a little bit of respect; rather than referring to them as “Speccie Techie” who are hid away in the Basement Cupboard!

As the old saying goes; you can get more money out of a bank with a smile, a kind word and a loaded gun, than you can with just a loaded gun.

Kennybhoy

Thank you Speccie Techie in the Basement Cupboard!

But ye gods where have they been for the past twelve hours or so? Languishing piteously in some cyber dungeon in the depths of Old Queen Street?

Help me out here folks. Does a twelve hour gap between posting a comment and it actually appearing constitute any sort of record hereaboots?

Verity

David O - That's funny and I am going to use it!

Verity

Look, when I lived in the US, I saw a clip of (I think it was) the Dean Martin show in which Rat Pack Frank members Sinatra and Sammy David Jr and that one whose name no one ever remembered, of the show where Dean Martin said he felt sorry for people who didn't drink, etc, and it was clearly original because the audience howled and applauded. Dean Martin had built a TV personna of being a mild, happy drunk. All his jokes were about drinking ad forgetting his lines. This just wasn't a Frank Sinatra joke. It's too passive.

Andy Carpark

No-one else seems to have remarked on Daniel Korski's appearance on C4 News last night, in which he burbled inconsequentially about the Taleban. I failed to absorb the details.

He looked like Elvis and sounded like Fraser Nelson (who in turn sounds like Stanley Baxter). I do not mean Korski any harm. I am sure he is kind to animals and loves his mum. But he ain't never caught a rabbit and he ain't no friend of mine.

Kennybhoy

Och this is cool Speccie Techie! We are almost in real time mode now! lol

Kennybhoy

David Ossitt on June 10th, 2011 1:16pm wrote:

"Might I suggest..."

Suggest away Master Wormtongue! Just dinnae expect me to take any notice! lol

Oh and Grima. The word you were looking for above was claque not clack.

Good Golly, Ms Molly!

This is hysterical. A thirty minute brawl i the sky. (Brits, of course.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2002118.html

Kennybhoy

Hey Crofter!

Pin-up for you!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Sarah_Palin_with_rifle_%28cropped%29.jpg

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

David Ossitt
June 10th, 2011 12:10pm
Hi David,
Seriously, for health reasons I missed QT. I have some new blood pressure tablets and want to give them a fair trial. QT actually affects one's health and should carry a warning, like ciggies.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

daniel maris
June 10th, 2011 1:00pm
Agree! Anyway, Daniel, why didn't you direct your neighnour's boomarang back from the direction in which it was initially launched? You don't need rocket science to work that one out.:-)

Hexhamgeezer

RE:Andy Carpark 2:06pm.

I saw Korski, and to be honest he was less offensive than his written work although he confirmed his image of an very clever speak- your-weight machine with any number of very clever cliches strung together in 'baffling you with bullshit mode' He would be an absolute star in the Foreign Office.

The American bloke he was up against seemed to enjoy it.

Overt Moon

FRIDAY TREATS

Fast asleep
June 7th, 2011 9:13pm

-- relates to your numerous posts claiming to find Reds under every bed and bemoaning their 'long march' through every British institution.

Magnificent

Peter From Maidstone
June 7th, 2011 9:37pm

Blessed is the man that walketh in the counsel of the ungodly, standeth in the way of sinners, sitteth in the seat of the scornful, and doth meditate day and night

Yes just about right for your new blog

David Ossitt

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

“I have some new blood pressure tablets and want to give them a fair trial. QT actually affects one's health and should carry a warning, like ciggies.”

What a coincident our lovely young GP telephoned today to tell my wife that the blood tests taken because of him changing her blood pressure tablets were all ok, but then suggested that I go out and purchase a home pressure testing monitor.

I did and on leaving the chemist I saw a young man, rolling himself a cigarette.
I have not smoked since February 2003 but I could not resist asking if I could smell his pouch of rolling tobacco, it smelt wonderful.

Verity

David O - For years after I stopped smoking, I quite liked the smell of other people's smoke. I was never one of those quitters who made the sign of the cross if someone else in the vicinity was smoking.

I don't like it now, years later, but as no one smokes any more anyway, it's moot.

Austin Barry

"...but I could not resist asking if I could smell his pouch of rolling tobacco."

Make sure the bloke's not a French tourist. He may think it's a rosbif's variant on a taillé une pipe.

Andy Carpark

Hexhamgeezer, A very fair summary, particularly re the martyred smile of the American. BS beats brains, as my old man is wont to say.

daniel maris

AWK - I did retaliate with Bach's organ music at full throttle at 10am - speakers turned to their wall (that'll wake the dead). But that annoyed my wife as much as them, sadly - so it wasn't a long term strategy.

David Ossitt

Overt Moon

Thucydides

Verity,

I know you don't like inaccurate English, so I will point out that you have misused "moot". You are not the first to do so, but this adjective means something like "debatable"; a moot case is one, Chambers tells us, about which there may be a difference of opinion. What it absolutely does not mean is irrelevant, or something which is not worth discussing further. In fact, this incorrect usage is almost the opposite of its true meaning.

Frank P

Hexhamgeezer/Andy Car Park.

You're still watching Channel 4? For MI8 I assume? I asked to be relieved of that onerous duty about 5 years ago on the grounds of cruel and unusual punishment. It was the Snow Man. I once saved his life you know. I controlled myself. Nice of you guys to keep us in touch with the enemy movements though - and I do mean movements. Somebody has to do it. I think we should have a whip-round for a bottle of Laphroaig Triple Wood - to ease the pain. Well done chaps!

Noa.

"Mair like the pathetic wriggling of one who, his original ill thought comment having been challenged and who is unable to think of anything further to say by way of corroboration or justification, promptly resorts to playground level debating devices and personal insult".

No denial of your original cod scots ad hominem I see. As often with your self regarding posts, when the whine is in wit is out.

Your cod comment started in personal abuse and moved seamlessly to your opinion, to which, in this instance, I have no regard.

And if the questions I asked were as weak as you claim, how can you not cobble together an answer?

Noa.

Kennyboy 12:11pm

No effort at humour on my part. I had no idean why you posted the same insipidities twice.
The moderating delay and your evident impatience to emote subsequently explained the repetition.
Obviously you cut and paste from MS Word or similar. Though God knows why you would want to preserve your bilious scrawls, reading them would be like drinking used bathwater with too much Radox.

May I suggest that you save yourself much sin, subsequent confession, retreat and general angst by passing my posts by when you see
them. As indeed I let my eye pass unhaltingly over your own.

Austin Barry

So, fruity luvvie and ex-convict Stephen Fry, is to rewrite history and rename as 'Digger' , Guy Gibson's canine chum 'Nigger' in his version of the Dam Busters.

Pathetic. Fry is an utter Toksvig.

What other politically changes can we expect? Urgent gay couplings in the Lancasters' 'cockpits'. Somali waiters in the mess? Barnes Wallis collapsing in a tearful heap and declaring that his bouncing bombs were based on the scrotal symmetry of his German lover 'Hans' now standing watch on the Oder Dam?

These people are intellectual, pandering cowards.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Austin Barry
June 10th, 2011 11:07pm
A fairy tale before I go to bed, "Snow White and The Seven Height-Disadvantaged Ones".

lescam

Austin Barry
June 10th, 2011 11:07pm

"So, fruity luvvie and ex-convict Stephen Fry, is to rewrite history and rename as 'Digger' , Guy Gibson's canine chum 'Nigger' in his version of the Dam Busters"

Fry will be roasted (or should that be "fried") either way. He keeps the name Nigger, and half the population has hysterics. He changes it to Digger, and the other half of the population has hysterics. Difficult decision.......

lescam

I see Overt Goon 's latest copy and paste fest has been deleted. Good.

Verity

The sublime James Delingpole from Saturday's Telegraph - "Say what you like about David Cameron – and you’ll have noticed I do, quite a bit – but if there’s one thing he’s good at it’s being more slippery than a jellied eel in a tub of KY Jelly."

I think that about sums up Cameron, who couldn't even win an election after 11 distrastrous years of Labour thought fascism and economic thuggery.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100091710.html

Dick Barton

The 90th birthday of the Duke of Edinburgh should stimulate us to reflect on the uses of an aristocracy. This became a more pressing task once the Labour government had appointed an ass to the House of Lords.

Aristocrate in the sense used by the ancient philosophers of rulers devoted to reason are sadly lacking in today's political class.

The more usual concept of a hereditary class with standards of excellence has been under attack in England for many years; more fiercely since the House of Lords began to be seen as a glasshouse in which the Labour Party could gain electoral credit by throwing stones.

The present plague of political correctness and the coarsening of political and social discourse should remind us of Toqueville's view that the great danger of democracy is enslavement to public opinion.

The aristocratic camp provides a haven for the "politically incorrect"; but once the aristocracy is destroyed, the minority may have no covert in which to find protection.

The democrat tends to think his opinion worth that of the next man; every Overt Moon thinks himself the equal of a Nicholas; and honours are distributed accordingly.

If today we wished to see the expectancy and rose of the fair state,the glass of fashion and the mould of form,we would best address ourselves to the tits and bums of the DM home page.

The taste, poise, manners of a possible England, like St. Michael's Mount with the tide in, lies isolated and remote - but still there.

Verity

Re my previous post on Delingpole's Telegraph blog, and windfarms, isn't Samantha Cameron's father, Sir Reginald Sheffield, the owner of a windfarm with eight 400ft-tall turbines?

I believe he gets a subsidy of some kind from the taxpayer.

daniel maris

Dick Barton - LOL - Nicholas comes across to me as a saloon bar bore of the worst type. He says nothing original at all. If I am going to be forced to have extreme right wing opinions in front of me I prefer the likes of Verity and AWK - much livelier.

Austin Barry - Are you suggesting that no sodomy took place in the British Armed Forces during WW2?

Austin Barry

daniel maris

Notwithstanding Cpl. Jones cries of 'They don't like it up 'em!!' I'm sure sodomy was rife in WWII.

Austin Barry

Lescam

"Fry will be roasted (or should that be "fried") either way. He keeps the name Nigger, and half the population has hysterics. He changes it to Digger, and the other half of the population has hysterics. Difficult decision......."

Not a difficult decision at all. It has already been made as historical fact, however unpalatable for our anguished luvvies.

Overt Moon

David Ossitt
June 10th, 2011 7:05pm

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Overt Moon

Sunday's awards

Overt Moon

lescam
June 10th, 2011 11:50pm

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I see Overt Goon 's latest copy and paste fest has been deleted. Good.

Is there not a spelling mistake in this

Not a Sunday candidate

Overt Moon

Dick Barton
June 11th, 2011 1:28am

The democrat tends to think his opinion worth that of the next man; every Overt Moon thinks himself the equal of a Nicholas; and honours are distributed accordingly.

daniel maris
June 11th, 2011 1:59am

Dick Barton - LOL - Nicholas comes across to me as a saloon bar bore of the worst type. He says nothing original at all. If I am going to be forced to have extreme right wing opinions in front of me I prefer the likes of Verity and AWK - much livelier.

So Overt really is not the equal of Nicholas

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Dick Barton
June 11th, 2011 1:28am
Dick, I liked your posting and agree with your sentiments. The problem with Britain today, is that the chavs, the lowest common level have become the 'trend setters', from education, medicine, law, entertainment, you name it! I do not like personal references to fellow posters, that to me is all part of the syndrome of loathsome socialism, so I shall ignore the vile preconceived notions of our respected poster Nicholas, and put them down to spite and jealousy. Thank the Lord for Right wingers, Up with Elitism, and down with petty and inferior attitudes.

Overt Moon

Anne Wotana Kaye 1
June 11th, 2011 9:48am

Thank the Lord for Right wingers, Up with Elitism, and down with petty and inferior attitudes.

On the day of Palin's email extravaganza this in unflipping surprising

God Bless America

daniel maris
June 11th, 2011 1:59am

Austin Barry - Are you suggesting that no sodomy took place in the British Armed Forces during WW2?

As I said God bless America

Overt Moon

All you Telegraph Buffs

Ed Balls profile: fearsome consigliere with a toxic reputation
In an off-the-cuff remark that shows Ed Balls’s ability to irritate opponents and voters alike, David Cameron this year labelled the shadow chancellor as Labour’s most annoying politician.

So who is the walls most irritating blogger

Sunday is awards day

Overt Moon

Bruce Forsyth's old-fashioned appeal

Bruce Forsyth, who has been made a knight in the Birthday Honours list, has been a fixture of British television for the last 50 years.

Younger viewers will recognise the 83-year-old as the spritely host of Saturday night ratings hit Strictly Come Dancing.....

This is for the benefit of the tobacco sniffing Llandudno brigade

The honours of course do not have the cachet of the Sunday awards

David Ossitt

Good morning all; of the seven posts since 8.48am today six have been from the relatively new troll Moron Vote, I do wish he would f*ck off.

Overt Moon

David O'ssit
June 11th, 2011 11:00am

Good morning all; of the seven posts since 8.48am today six have been from the relatively new troll Moron Vote, I do wish he would f*ck off.

Yesterday one of my posts was deleted because of a *

Please note you do not spell my name correctly

You are disqualified from the Sunday awards

Limbaugh

A new poll shows that a majority of Republican voters do not want Sara Palin to run for President. How will the moronic, lying, fantasising quitter react to this rejection from her own Party?

Verity

Daniel Maris . re "saloon bar bores" ... Open door. You should be more cautious in what you write.

Verity

Mawnin' all! Did Overt Moon write anything interesting in his thicket of posts above?

Verity

I see the US is threatening to disband NATO, the one international organisation that has a genuin raison d'être (not jobs for the boys and girls) and performs up to an impeccable standard.

Disband first UN, the ILO, the WHO, the IMF,the UN, the OECD and every other international quangoo/boondoggle. Tear up their charters and have a confetti shower in NYC from the top of the UN building.

Verity

D Ossitt - V good!

Verity

Re his photo in The Mail with his wife and new kid, could someone let egoist Cameron know that his family is of absolutely no consequence to the British public. The only reason people might look at Cameron's photos is, he is, like it or not, engineered into the position PM without winning an election. His wife and kid have no place in the public mind.

Overt Moon

A couple of days ago, Newt Gingrich's campaign for the US presidency imploded when the leaders of his campaign team quit en masse. The exodus — which included his campaign manager, spokesman and senior strategists — came after an awful month for Gingrich, and looks like it might seal the fate of his already flagging campaign.

I occasionally stray over to CH proper and hear music

The mystery is why this did not happen sooner to this miserable toad

AS journalists dig thru the emails we will see off the failed Governor. We already see she is an Obama Admirer

So that leaves us with the other failed Governor. Will someone tell him that there can only be one first lady so he may need to ditch his religion

We have Boring Balls and Volvo Brown. They have a much more interesting time. Sharkey. Paulently. Karger. Santorium. We have Toads. They have Newts

Verity

Plse for next week's Wall, no photos for us to scroll past again and again when we want to check to seek whether there are any new posts! It's irritating.

The world is awash with photography and moving images -- TVs, computers, movies, mobile phone. We don't tune in to The Speccie to look at photos.

All in favour, say "aye".

Occasional Ostrich

"Overt Moon:

Why are you so sure David Ossitt is referring to you?

Dick Barton

daniel maris

If we had to say something original, it would be a very quiet Wall indeed.

'What oft was thought, but ne'er so well expressed' is perhaps what we are after.

Overt Moon

Verity
June 11th, 2011 3:05pm

D Ossitt - V good!

A literary gem that must be in running for the Sunday awards

Overt Moon

Dick Barton
June 11th, 2011 4:33pm

daniel maris

If we had to say something original, it would be a very quiet Wall indeed.

'What oft was thought, but ne'er so well expressed' is perhaps what we are after.

Exactly

And you know what thought did

Followed a dustbin cart and thought it was a wedding

Just like reading the wall

Overt Moon

daniel maris
June 9th, 2011 8:02pm

Verity -

Plenty of people have complained about Poles: tatooed, devil dog owning, gun toting, knife wielding, brain dead, semi-criminal.

I'd much prefer a pleasant Pakistani couple next door than one of those.

Again.Exactly

Top billing at present for a Sunday award

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Verity
June 11th, 2011 2:51pm

Disband first UN, the ILO, the WHO, the IMF,the UN, the OECD and every other international quangoo/boondoggle.
Add BBC to this list. Despite all denials, it is a political agency, and takes public funds under false pretences.

Overt Moon

Anne Wotana Kaye 1
June 11th, 2011 5:02pm

Verity
June 11th, 2011 2:51pm

Disband first UN, the ILO, the WHO, the IMF,the UN, the OECD and every other international quangoo/boondoggle.
Add BBC to this list. Despite all denials, it is a political agency, and takes public funds under false pretences.

How can you?

Not my precious Today Program or Eddie Mair

You can shoot Kirsty Young

Frank P

The Munchkin Wrangler produced a perfect rant:

"Addicted to what now?

06 JUN
You know what I can’t stand to hear about anymore? That we Americans are addicted to oil. It’s a smarmy term that tries to couch an economic and environmental argument in pathological terms.

I’m not addicted to oil. I’m addicted to being able to drive into town on my own schedule. I’m addicted to being able to haul home a week’s worth of groceries with two little kids in tow without having to wait for the fucking bus with eighty pounds of filled plastic bags in my hands. (That’s disregarding the fact that I live out in the sticks, and the nearest bus stop is four miles away, which is one hell of a hike with the aforementioned two little kids and week’s worth of groceries.)

I don’t give a shit what kind of substance I have to put in the tank of the minivan to feed that particular addiction. I don’t care about oil. If my minivan ran on distilled cow piss, I’d fill up with distilled cow piss. If they ever come up with an electric minivan that goes the speed limit on the Interstate, accelerates to highway speeds in less time than a geologic epoch, and doesn’t need to be recharged every fifty miles with electricity that comes from a coal-powered plant anyway, I’ll gladly buy one of those and deep-six the old combustion engine.

Until then, shut the fuck up about my addiction to oil. It does nobody any good to try and debate economic and logistical necessities while using terminology to imply people who disagree with your view are mentally ill."

Wonderful! I do love earthy common sense and thought the Wall could do with a bit of a hosing today. I see it's badly defaced with Gruniad gunge again. Stand back the regular crew - wouldn't want you to get splashed.

h/t Gerard Vanderleun (who rootles out these little truffles like a trained bloodhound).

Verity

Frank P - thanks for the introduction to The Munchkin Wrangler. A right-thinking wrangler to be sure!

Frank P

And just to overlay the lunar dust with a little more scintillating prose and right wing positive thought processes; here's Mark Steyn on tip top form:

*ttp://www.ocregister.com/opinion/obama-304001-new-road.html

Extract:

> "There are always going to be bumps on the road to recovery,'' President Obama said at a Jeep plant in Toledo the other day. "We're going to pass through some rough terrain that even a Wrangler would have a tough time with.'' His audience booed. They're un-fire-able union members with lavish benefits, and even they weary of the glib lines from his 12-year-old speechwriters.
We're not on the road to recovery. You can't get there from here, as they say. Obama was in Toledo to "celebrate" the sale of the government's remaining stake in Chrysler to Fiat. That's "Fiat" as in the Italian car manufacturer rather than "an authoritative or arbitrary decree (from the Latin 'let it be done')," which would be almost too perfect a name for an Obamafied automobile. The Treasury crowed that Fiat had agreed to pay a whopping $560 million for the government's Chrysler shares.
Wow! 560 million smackeroos! If you laid them out end to end, they're equivalent to what the federal government borrows every three hours. That's some windfall! In the time it takes to fly Obama to Toledo to boast about it, he'd already blown through the Italians' check. But who knows? If every business in the U.S. were to be nationalized and sold to foreigners to cover another three hours' worth of debt, this summer's "Recovery Summer" would be going even more gangbusters. I'd ask one of Obama's egghead economists to explain it to you simpletons, but unfortunately they've all resigned and returned to cozy sinecures in academia. The latest is chief economic advisor Austan Goolsbee, the genius who in 2007, just before the subprime hit the fan, wrote in The New York Times that this exciting new form of home "ownership" was an "innovation" that had "opened doors to the excluded" and was part of an "incredible flowering of new types of home loans."
Where have all the flowers gone? Not to worry. By now, some organization of which you're a member has already booked Professor Goolsbee to give an after-dinner speech at your annual meeting where you'll be privileged to get a glimpse of his boundless expertise for a mere six-figure speaking fee.
"I'm not concerned about a double-dip recession," Obama said last week. Nor would I be if I had government housing, a car and driver, and a social secretary for the missus. But I wonder if it's such a smart idea to let one's breezy insouciance out of the bag when you're giving a press conference."<

Read it all; it will clear up the indigestion caused by too much troll acid; (don't these Guardian writers realise that there a direct correlation between their petty and boring output and the imminent failure of their rag. Even the Marxist money that props them up will run out eventually. Shoo!

Maria

What competent photographs you have up this week,, particularly nos 2 and 3. I do hope we have more next week.

Frank P

And the latest from my naughty niece - for which I will have to upbraid her (see whether you agree and suggest suitable punishment):

>"A twin-engine plane has an engine failure and the altitude and speed are decreasing rapidly. The pilot speaks over the intercom ... "I'm sorry it has come to this ladies and gentlemen, but unfortunately we are going to have to jettison the luggage in order for the aircraft to remain airborne".

Baggage is thrown out but still the plane's speed continues to decrease. Once again the pilot gets on the intercom, "I hate to do this folks but in order to save the majority we are going to have to start off-loading some passengers. The only fair way is to do this alphabetically, so we'll start with the letter 'A'".

"Africans? Are there any Africans on board?" There was no answer so the pilot calls, "Black people, are there any black people on board?" Again silence.

"C - coloured people? Are there any coloured people on board?" Silence.

A little black boy sitting near the rear of the plane turned to his mother and said, "Ma, ain't we African? Ain't we black?" Ain't we coloured?"

She replied, "Yes son, but for the purpose of this exercise we is Niggers. Let them do the Muslims first"<.

The fate of the plane was unreported.

And I'm not sure whether it was Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin or Sammy Davis Junior who was the originator of THAT meme.

Kennybhoy

Noa on June 10th, 2011 9:57pm

“No denial of your original cod scots ad hominem I see.”

Not for the first time it seems that I must ask that you forgive my slowness on the uptake, but which “original cod scots ad hominem” are you referring to here?

“As often with your self regarding posts...”

What could be more self-regarding than your original comment in which you saw fit to play the art critic and disparage both Inigo Unsworth’s photographs and the Coffee House staff’s decision to post them? To which end you deployed no argument bar the tenuously relevant citation of Quentin Letts’s article in the Daily Mail.

“...when the whine is in wit is out.”

How long did it take come up with this rather forced little attempt at wit? lol

“Your cod comment started in personal abuse...”

Once again, which comment are you referring to here? And precisely where above, unlike yourself I might add, did I resort to personal abuse?

“... and moved seamlessly to your opinion, to which, in this instance, I have no regard.”

Only in this instance Noa? lol

“And if the questions I asked were as weak as you claim, how can you not cobble together an answer?”

In this specific instance your two questions employed playground debating tactics in an attempt to avoid answering earlier questions put to you by me! Other than identifying such a tactic, it ill behoves any intelligent adult to dignify it with a response!

Kennybhoy

Noa on June 10th, 2011 10:12pm

While this nasty wee effort is a bit more like the Noa of old it is not quite down to your Streicherian worst. Must try harder Maister Noa!

Kennybhoy

Fearty Verity on June 11th, 2011 3:58pm wrote:

"Plse for next week's Wall, no photos...All in favour, say "aye"."

I for one say nay! lol

EC

Frank P @6:50pm

Funny!

David Ossitt

Maria

“What competent photographs you have up this week,, particularly nos [sic] 2 and 3.”

As apposed to what?

Or else are you just tilting at windmills and trying to take the, a, b, and l out of ‘Veritably’?

EC

Kennybhoy, Noa,

Your current dialogue, nay discourse, the rigorous inspection of each other's navels and skilful exposition of the contents thereof, is on a par with the cold war confrontation of Bobby Fischer vs Boris Spassky in 1972.

A fascinating competition but... just imagine in your combined skills were brought to bear on the major league lunatic currently at large!

Verity

This is The Wall. A word place. Please, no more photographs we have to scroll past all the time to get to the words.

Anyone who wants to look at photographs has the entire internet.

Frank P

EC (6.50pm).

Really? I sort of saw it as a morality tale about a bigoted aviator displaying his prejudices in a crisis and a resourceful African American mother outwitting him. All a question of interpretation, I suppose. Anyway I smacked NN's wrist for using verbotene worde. :-)

As for your post at 8.25pm, now THAT was funny - in a sardonic kinda way. I hope they take your advice, but I wouldn't blame them if they couldn't be arsed. DFTFT is the best bet. Talk about them, rather than to them.

Bit quiet without Nicholas, ennit? Gresham's Law strikes again! Sad.

EC

David Ossit @7:52pm,

I tilt at windmills and Daniel Maris pontificates upon distilled cows' piss and wind.

Maria

David,
nos (as rather ugly abbreviation for numbers).
Still you beat me with "apposed" (sic)!

As for your suggestion I am trying to take the something out of some-one I couldn't possibly comment.
Actually I did like photos 2 and 3, we are invited to put them up which seems inoffensive enough to me, and surely if one person says they don't like them another can say they do!
Have you at some stage revealed you are form North Yorkshire? It's a great county.

Verity

God, this blog's getting boring! Drab pieces about socialist MPs and The Wall turning into a troll-o-rama that no one reads.

At least Nicholas's new blog has John Redwood writing for it. Don't know how he pulled it off, but pretty nifty.

Noa.

EC

Your peacemaking overture is most commendable. Indeed I followed the Fisher v Spassky match avidly. It was a great tragedy that, in his later years, Fisher descended into paranoia and madness.

I'm afraid though, that you are, like the Wall moderator and David Ossitt, mair likely to be called an interfering hobbit for what I suspect will be pompously and self-importantly termed, without any sense of irony or introspection, a "petty wee effort".

On my part, as I have already stated, I shall not be replying to subjective posts from a person who routinely prefaces his posts with ad hominem abuse.

David Ossitt

Verity
"At least Nicholas's new blog has John Redwood writing for it."

Hi Verity did you mean P from M's new blog?

Dick Barton

Verity

Ubi est?

David Ossitt

Maria

Touché

But how should I spell apposed, if not as I have?

Kennybhoy

EC on June 11th, 2011 8:25pm

You flatter him sir! lol

"... the major league lunatic currently at large!"

I'm sorry but you will have to give me more of a hint here man. There are so many of them about. It would be more accurate to write "major league lunacy"! lol

Noa.

Verity 3:58pm

"Plse for next week's Wall, no photos for us to scroll past again and again when we want to check to seek whether there are any new posts! It's irritating...".

God yes! two the same, two B+W, one in colour, all out of focus and....worst of all, unintersting! A reflection of the chaos in insipidity of thought in almost every walk of UK life, not just the pretentious emptiness of art in the UK!

Of course I vote No!

Noa.

Verity @10:25pm

God, this blog's getting boring!

Agreed, fortunately my roses have required deadheading; still as as much manure and as many pricks out there amongst the fragrant blooms though!

Is there a link to to Nicholas' blog?

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Now the dumbing down of the Wall is complete. Not enough that idiots and retards are given free reign to write abusive postings about their betters, but now, we even have PICTURES! Can just see the idiots with their tongues poking out as they scroll down the postings. Couldn't the whle Wall just consist of pictures to make it easier for the intellectually unprivileged?

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Verity
June 11th, 2011 10:25pm
Verity, it's Peter of Maidstone not Nicholas.

Austin Barry

Overt Moon

3. Slang To expose one's buttocks in public as a prank or disrespectful gesture

Yeah, ok, we get the joke.

Dick Barton

From the comments on the article in the DM on the Trooping the Colour:

"What a wonderful ceremony,I wish I was there .You know ,the trouble with some of the Brits over there ,you don't appreciate what you have until it's gone .

- gparker, auckland new zealand, 11/6/2011 22:34"

Ain't that the truth....?

- Such as: properly funded and sovereign military forces, honourable and patriotic politicians,a police force,
a courteous population ready to demonstrate and speak out in defence of their liberties, (and of course Wizard, Hotspur, and the Eagle).

Noa.

Streicher?

That's rich irony indeed from a poster whose nom de plume 'bhoy' encapsulates the very essence of sectarian and religious bigotry and republicanism, perpetuating ethnic and religious violence:

Wikipaedia notes:
"There have been nearly 400 Old Firm matches played as of 2011. The games have been described as having an "atmosphere of hatred, religious tension and intimidation which continues to lead to violence in communities across Scotland." The rivalry has fuelled many assaults and even deaths on Old Firm Derby days. Admissions to hospital emergency rooms have been reported to increase ninefold over normal levels and journalist Franklin Foer noted that in the period from 1996 to 2003, eight deaths in Glasgow were directly linked to Old Firm matches, and hundreds of assaults. Rangers fans' singing of the Famine song has also caused controversy...".

Nice to know the old traditions die hard in the far north.

Frank P

Verity

Nicholas's new blog - where is that?

Kennybhoy

Maria on June 11th, 2011 10:20pm wrote:

"Actually I did like photos 2 and 3..."

So do I. For the reason outlined above. But the Four Courts one is cool too though. To my eye the distortion and contact sheet effects help evoke the building's iconic role in Ireland's turbulent past. But I must also say that I have seen this done better.

Did you see the photographer's pictures on the "When Dublin trembled" thread?

"http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/6952608/when-dublin-trembled.thtml

Kennybhoy

Frank P on June 11th, 2011 9:43pm wrote:

"I sort of saw it as a morality tale about a bigoted aviator displaying his prejudices ..."

Precisely so! That is how it was intended when I first heard a variant of it told by a black American back in the day. It is subversive both of the sort of prejudice dislayed by the pilot, and of the prejudice and stupidity of any racist who might misinterpret the joke's intent. Although back then it was not muslims who came higher on the list but some other category which for the life of me I cannot recall just now... lol

You continued.

"As for your post at 8.25pm, now THAT was funny...DFTFT is the best bet. Talk about them, rather than to them."

Who you callin' a troll you bad auld man? lol

I cannae speak for Maister Zrk but I for one am mortally offended by that characterization as I rotflmfao!

daniel maris

EC -

Don't want to spoil your breakfast but have you heard about the French nuclear power plants that are about to close because the rivers are running too shallow under drought conditions? Hmmm...time for you to rethink?

As for cow's piss, the Better Place battery changer system, currently being trialled in Israel, has solved the problem of range for electric vehicles. And wind energy will be perfect for recharging those batteries at central facilities.

Verity

Frank P Conservativevoices.co.uk

He's got John Redwood writing on it. He has adopted the nom du blog of John Ball, a C13th priest. (Nicholas, that is. Mr Redwood is writing under his own name.) It's a very nicely done blog - well designed.

Verity

Apologies to Peter of M! I had thought Nicholas said he was going to start a blog! Of course it is Peter of Maidstone, AWK, and thank you for pulling me up on that! I even knew it is P of M because I have corresponded with him! Major duh! Apologies all round.

Overt Moon

SUNDAY IS AWARDS DAY

Remember 3 categories

1.The poser award

Anne Wotana Kaye 1
June 8th, 2011 1:14pm
Moderators and Those in Charge of This Blog.
Surely writing "in memory" to a fellow blogger, such as Overt Moon has done, goes beyond the limits of free speech. It can be seen as either an evil wish or a sinister warning. I think this lunatic should be eclipsed and barred from this site. I am a subscriber to "The Spectator" and market forces surely temper your decisions.

2.The comedian award

Frank P
June 9th, 2011 1:07pm
"Does ABC Rowan Williams realise how absurd and deeply sinister he looks?"
Not only does he realise it, Austin, he cultivates it! It is neither accidental nor evolutionary - it is contrived.
What is even more sinister is that millions take him seriously

3.The dement award

Jointly today to

Anne Wotana Kaye 1
June 8th, 2011 12:58pm
No, no, no, Nicholas! I too have been tempted to abandon ship as it isn't nice to mix with garbage. But this is just what has happened to once Great Britain. The islamists, chavs and other scum have taken over large urban areas, and soon will be spreading their slime on the countryside. Don't give the creatures an inch, let's just freeze them out. Any publicity is good publicity, so if we really ignore them there will be no satisfaction for them in their ravings

Verity
June 8th, 2011 1:56pm
AWK 12:28 - Agree with AWK. Let's just freeze the oiks out and keep Nicholas!

*******************************************************

AND THE SPECIAL SECOND SUNDAY OF THE MONTH AWARD:-

The COSY AWARD

David Ossitt
June 10th, 2011 4:48pm
I did and on leaving the chemist I saw a young man, rolling himself a cigarette.
I have not smoked since February 2003 but I could not resist asking if I could smell his pouch of rolling tobacco, it smelt wonderful.

Never has the wall been so entertaining

Knighthoods/Damehoods to Bruce Forsythe and Jenny Murray were wasted

Congratulations

Kennybhoy

Noa on June 11th, 2011 11:48pm.

I am indeed a Celtic supporter. As I have pointed out to you on at least one previous occasion that I can recall, that and that alone is what the word bhoy signifies. I am also, as you are well aware, a devout Catholic and a former soldier. As I have previously mentioned in this blog, during the thirty years that I spent under the colours I served two full and two emergency tours across the water. As I patrolled the streets and fields of Ulster I might as well have had a target on my chest reading “Brit Bastart!” and another on my back reading “Fenian Bastart!” I have upon too many occasions seen the effects of both Republican and “Loyalist” violence up close and very personal indeed. That you should yet again seize upon this entirely irrelevant aspect of my background to bolster one of your hateful polemical stances is once again revealing of both your intellectual and polemical inadequacy and of your mental atmosphere. And they are truly dreadful to behold...

I continue to remember you in my prayers.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Daniel Maris: I'm very busy, so may not get onto the Wall today. Just want to tell you that the chocolates we mentioned are usually found on a shelf or shelves labelled "Swiss Chocolate". Good munching!

Frank P

Kennybhoy (12.22am)

"Who are you callin' a troll, you bad auld man? lol"

Not you, Jockie. You have a sense of humour (admittedly somewhat wry) which precludes you from being a lefty troll; that's a big net! net! in the rules of engagement of agitprop, ennit? Don't always agree with you pal (and vice versa, I'm sure) but we're definitely on the same frequency, even if at times a couple of megs off zero beat.

Frank P

Verity

Thanks for P from M's link. Is the blog name on the header truncated on the left hand side when you log in to it - and if so, was that intended as a design feature? If not, is it my computer or Peter's software that's awry? Perhaps Peter could clarify that for us - if he's still visiting the Wall. There is a John Ball's Blog, btw, which might lead to some confusion.

Incidentally, I'm sucking my teeth on whether my particular form of bawdy cynicism would lower the tone of such a worthy site; moreover, being corralled into a capital C conservative mould is a little unnerving, particularly within the current political climate. There isn't a badge around that I would pin on me whistle, I'm afraid, other than the RAPT.

But I agree, it's a serious effort if one believes that there's still some life left in Toryism - and it should take off. I wish Peter good luck with it, he's worked hard to get it off the ground so speedily, obviously. I'll lurk for a bit and see what transpires. Thanks Verity.

Dick Barton

Frank P

How did you get PFM's new blog address from Verity - or did she put it up here and then had it taken down? The only John Ball's Blog which googles is a business blog.

Austin Barry

The Telegraph has an alarming piece by Andrew Gilligan on the Islamic Republic of Tower Hamlets where the Met and Crown Prosecurion Service seem, for the most part, to turn a Nelsonic eye to the violence of radicalism.

As the leader of the local Mosque explains, the aim is change the
“very infrastructure of society, its institutions, its culture, its political order and its creed ... from ignorance to Islam.”

The last four words are the epitome of Newspeak. Not to worry though. As long as we sit here in the Chestnut Tree Cafe and drink our gin, we can be placated by our Ministry of Love's reassurances that all is going well on the Eurabian front.

daniel maris

Nice website PFM. It's a good design but I think a photo strip below the banner wouldn't go amiss maybe featuring Westminster, and a few icons from the past of your choosing.

Of course don't forget you are in the firing line as editor and publisher now - so Carter Ruck may come calling at some point, as may the PC PCs. Time to preserve your assets methinks.

I think your blog will need to make clear where it stands on capitalism and free enterprise, because many of the things you are referring to - mass immigration, membership of the Super-Eurostate, welfare dependency - have actually been promoted by the free market capitalists who own most of the country's wealth.

However, I certainly like to see a thousand flowers bloom (as Mao said before he had all the flowers arrested).

EC

Daniel Maris,

"And wind energy will be perfect for recharging those batteries at central facilities."

Whoops comrad!

EC

http://www.conservativevoices.co.uk/

Works fine.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Dick Barton
June 12 2011
Peter From Maidstone
June 9th, 2011 9:17pm

Report this comment

Verity, drop me an email if you will at john.ball.maidstone@gmail.com

EC

Frank P,

You'll no doubt be pleased to know that estranged yachting holiday chums, George and Mandy, will be getting it together again at the Bilderberg 2011 meeting.

A partial list of attendees by country to be found here:

http://www.infowars.com/bilderberg-2011-full-official-attendee-list/

Notably absent from this list is anyone from Russia.

Overt Moon

Anne Wotana Kaye 1
June 12th, 2011 12:23pm

Report this comment

Dick Barton
June 12 2011
Peter From Maidstone
June 9th, 2011 9:17pm

Verity, drop me an email if you will at john.ball.maidstone@gmail.com

OR visit:-

http://www.conservativevoices.co.uk/

And register for the forum to read the pearls of David Ossitt and our very own AWK

Overt Moon

PATRIOTISM OR PARTY

Published on Sunday, 05 June 2011 20:51
Written by John Ball.......

(John Ball
The pseudonym of our site developer and creator. He has much in common with the monk of Kent, and is inspired by his speech to the massed ranks of revolting peasants in 1381 when he said, 'now the time is come, appointed to us by God, in which you may (if you will) cast off the yoke of bondage, and recover liberty'.)

"I am glad that several commentators on the Spectator Coffee House have made the point that the issues facing our country are not those of party politics, but of right and wrong, of good and evil, of freedom and slavery. Surely what we need at this time is a body of politicians who will put the needs of the nation above personal advancement? We need some genuine patriots to identify themselves and establish a real conservative alternative to the three-headed monster that presently oppresses us.

I thought that it would be useful to produce a list of those MPs who have been willing to vote against the party in defence of nation."

Inspired by the tales of Ed and Dave in today's Sundays?...Or did it inspire the tales

Nothing is new or real

Peter From Maidstone

Well since it was written and first published here on CH over a week ago it can't have been inspired by anything in today's papers.

daniel maris

EC - Better Place is a private outfit. The central facilities would be privately owned and probably operate as sub-contractors to the owners of the battery changing stations.

For those not familiar with the technology, it takes less than two minutes to change the battery, so less or possibly about the same time than it takes to fill up your tank with petrol.

Peter From Maidstone

Just to be clear, the conservative in www.conservativevoices.co.uk is not the Conservative Party. I have no loyalty to that organisation. I am only interested in sponsoring and promoting conversation and action in support of patriotic conservatism.

Though I will not post colourful material myself, I would not wish to exclude any of our favourites here from posting because of the fruityness of their own contributions.

My concern is to exclude left-wing trolls and any others to make conversation difficult.

I am hoping to get a new contribution from the editor of a national paper today. If I can get start of with a couple of posts from journalists each week, as well as some of my own, and some from other contributors who want to write something a little more than a forum post, then I will be happy.

If the Forum can also facilitate an enjoyable conversation between those of us who share similar, but not identical, points of view, then I will also be happy.

I will add more features and content as time goes by. It does need some graphics, but I wanted to get the site looking reasonably clean and professional and launch it rather than worry over the design for too long.

If you do visit then do please create a forum account and say hello.

Verity

AWK, above, albeit it in a different context (trolls) suggests we freeze the oiks out.

I would like to extend that thought somewhat to Pakistanis with children suffering from massive birth defects due to inbreeding. I cannot think of any reason why they should be expect to force the results of their primitive, perverted behaviour on indigenous (and legal immigrant) taxpayers.

Once a child is born with lifetime birth defects, the entire family should be warned that this is not a responsibility of the British taxpayer and they are being sent back.

In addition, we need a law - that can be cited - against marrying cousins. A retrospective law, so that all those tens of thousands of child passengers-for-life on taxpayer money could be returned, with their parents,who caused them to be born thus, to their own countries.

Their primitive habits are their responsibility. The NHS is stretched enough without taking on lifetime cases that were created deliberately.

To repeat, all the lifetime cases that were born of this habit, should be sent back. They are their own society's responsibility, not the burden of the taxpayers of the advanced West.

Verity

Daniel Maris, my eyes usually slide unbidden over your contributions, but this, addressed to P of M, caught my attention: "I think your blog will need to make clear ...". Doubtless P of M has thought long and deep about how he is going to present his blog and doesn't need blogless you to tell him what to "make clear".

Or at least go to his site and write your thoughts on his blog, not on another blog that has nothing to do with P of M.

Verity

I did drop him an email, a couple of days ago, AWK. Don't understand your point. I have already conceded that I got the names mixed up.

Verity

P from M - Why do we have to create an account? I never register anywhere.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Verity
June 12th, 2011 2:08pm
I fully agree with you. Actually, I'd send the whole bloody lot back, aunties, uncles, kissing cousins or whatever.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Verity: Sorry for the confusion.
I was referring to Dick Barton's posting of June 12, 11:26 am to Frank P.

Peter From Maidstone

You can register your account with whatever information you choose, but having accounts means that I can moderate and exclude people who post in a way that is designed to damage the site. I don't need to know who you really are or where you really live, but I need a way of controlling users to exclude users who are abusers.

Verity

Please, for next week, no photos one has to laboriously scroll past every time one checks the thread for new entries.

Who on earth even wants to look at the Four Courts of Dublin even once, never mind, in the course of a week, 25 or 30 times?

Verity

P from M - Oh, OK. Thanks.

AWK - And they would have to pay for their own tickets back. But the British taxpayer who lives, by and large, by long-established civilised standards, cannot be made responsible for the Stone Age family habits of undeveloped peoples who have no business being in the First World anyway.

Noa.

Kennybhoy.
“I am indeed a Celtic supporter….that and that alone is what the word bhoy signifies”.
In the local waters of Glasgow and wider Scotland, that may be the case. To those not conversant with and indeed totally uninterested in local rivalries, which is over 53 million of your fellow citizens on present count, it merely attests to the continuation of those bitter loyalties which have resulted in violence, hatred and the continuing dismemberment of the United Kingdom. Presumably that is not what you served in Northern Ireland to prevent. That you obdurately choose to further this mis-association is most telling of your own lack of understanding of the wider world.
“I am also, as you are well aware, a devout Catholic and a former soldier”.
So you keep telling us. Would you not agree then, that a devout Catholic is judged by his deeds rather than his words, feeling no need to proclaim his certainty in his faith, indeed would hide it, preferring to rely on the intellectual certainty and goodness of his beliefs and example rather than proclaim his sanctity to all?
By their deeds shall ye know them .
I continue to remember you in my prayers”
As I have told you before one of the most hypocritical arguments from Catholics I have ever heard, and oft repeated, especially as they lose the debate and their perceived moral high ground as they retreat to the Keep of their religious certainties, is “I continue to remember you in my prayers”! What typical impertinence of you to think you that you have sole or better access to the mind of God than your fellow man!
So whilst I uphold your right pray for whom you wish, I would prefer you exclude me as I fear they would, due to the impurity of your motives, lie more heavily on the scales than the sins and omissions for which they purport to compensate.
Finally, do you think being “a former soldier”, gives you the right to try to bully, attack and abuse your fellow posters when you disagree with them? You must have struggled to leave behind that “If I want your opinion I’ll give it to you” attitude when you left the Army for Civvy Street and reacted badly when people disagreed with you and told you to stick your opinions where the sun don’t shine. In fact, you obviously still do. As arrogant and obnoxious as you appear to be in your posts, the reality must be so much worse.
Now, without regret, I shall adhere to my own self denying ordnance and, primarily for the sake of the fellow CHrs’ who have suffered enough from this unedifying public display of mutual personal dislike, indeed loathing and contempt, but also through dis-interest, I will not be exchanging any further posts with you.

EC

Daniel Maris,

Better Place have been going for a number of years. Have they actually delivered anything yet? Have you any idea how much an EV battery pack weighs?

In the real world the 100 mile range Nissan Leaf has a 24 kWh battery pack which consists of 48 modules and each module containing four cells, a total of 192 cells housed below the seats and rear foot space.

How are you or Better Place going to swap this lot in under 2 mins?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nissan_Leaf_012.JPG

Augustus

Is this Funny? The Chinese economy has shown signs of slowing down. Experts say that’s what happens when your workforce starts to enter its teens.

EC

Noa,

Topically, in his latest video, Pat Condell addresses the subject of prayer, praying for him and praying for others.

http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/a/u/0/1kbiUiRfnh8

Humorous, and quite a fair minded exposition - for an atheist that is.

David Ossitt

Frank P

“Is the blog name on the header truncated on the left hand side when you log in to it - and if so, was that intended as a design feature? If not, is it my computer or Peter's software that's awry?”

Hello Frank I found the same; I suspect just teething problems.

I temporarily cured it on mine by reducing the screen down to I think 94%.

Also whilst you can copy and paste from the main articles on to ‘Word’ (as an aid) whilst formulating a post for the forum, you can not copy paste from the forum posts.

Noa.

EC

Thanks for that Pat Condell link.

Reminds me of Religious Education lessons and innumerable associated floggings from my Jesuit mentors. Bless 'em, one and all, for developing a questioning scepticism of everything that's stayed with me ever since!

And I'd agree with your assessment - without the qualification.

EC

Daniel Maris,

Don't want to spoil your Sunday supper BUT ...

Danish consumers pay the HIGHEST price in europe for their electricity.

Denmark has 6,000 wind turbines and ONLY when the wind conditions are "just right wind produces around 19 percent of its electricity.

In Denmark broken, or worn, non-recylable turbine blades are creating a mountainous waste problem:

"Professor Henning Albers from the Institut für Umwelt und Biotechnik, Hochschule Bremen, calculates that at current growth rates by 2034, there will be a mountain of 225,000 tonnes of unwanted rotor blade material waste EACH YEAR. That’s a lot of landfill!"

Ref: http://johnosullivan.livejournal.com/

Good luck with that biomass!

Noa.

This being Sunday, a day for reflection, posting this mighty member of the great McGonagall's body, of work that is, enables me to share the emotions I felt, as tears rolled down my cheeks, on reading it. Like all great works writing it is timeless, especially so in its reference to Fraser's broken bête noir:-
So I commend to you "The Burial of the Reverend George Gilfillan"
*ttp://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/poems/pgburgil.htm

Peter From Maidstone

Hi all,

You should be able to copy from forum posts. I can. And I wonder what the resolution of your screen is? On my cheap Dell notebook the site sits in the middle of the page with clear space on either side of the central panel?

??

Noa.

Inigo Unsworth 7th June 11:28am

"...It's as if photography, after a long time in the doldrums of the artistic world, has now been elevated to be on an equal footing as other forms of creative endeavour..."

I seriously question whether the application of technology, by the click of a button and througn the medium of digital photography, can ever constitute a form of creative endeavour equal to the skills and talents required for excellence in the creative arts.

Not, I know, a view shared by the cognoscenti of the art world or their followers.

EC

Peter From Maidstone @7:42pm,

Users of the site can use the key combination of "Ctrl +" or "Ctrl -" in order to increase or decrease the magnification (zoom) accordingly.

I particularly like the way that you have organised the forum into categories where registered users can add their own topic threads. No such luxury on the CH!

Noa.

EC
Sir Roger Carr, Centrica Chairman is reported today as saying it should not be a surprise that some of the costs involved in "decarbonising" UK power generation must be recouped from customers' bills.
"Ofgem has said that it would see over the next decade a dual fee bill going up by about £500 a year for a typical consumer," he says, "and that's related to decarbonisation rather than market forces."
Whew! Per consumer! Not per household! That increase excludes free market supply & demand!
Now presumably that is £500 per year, year on year, at present, unescalated prices. Factor in real oil and gas commodity price inflation at say half the current rate of 10% per year and by 2021 the real ‘de-carbonization’ cost element alone is £1,180 per year.

@ttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/8570493/Centrica-chairman-warns-steep-energy-price-increases-are-inevitable.html

Peter From Maidstone

John Ball blogs on the national humiliation of British naval pilots being forced to learn French and borrow French aircraft at http://www.conservativevoices.co.uk

AAE

Kennybhoy

Ignore yer man. He's taken something the wrong way clearly and made a wee bit of an eejit of himself.
New Wall tomorrow.

postergirl

Speaking of wind farms, this week I saw the saddest sight : a golden eagle effortlessly soaring up on the wind, approached a wind turbine, got sucked too close, and had its wing shattered by the blade. This lovely creature fell struggling to the ground, smashed into it, lifted its head once and died.

Thousands of birds and bats are killed every year by these things - for what ?
Where is the Audubon Society, or the RSPB ?
Why are the Friends of the Earth so silent ?
Could it be money ? Or pride - what ?

Kennybhoy

Noa on June 12th, 2011 4:40pm.

“In the local waters of Glasgow and wider Scotland, that may be the case. To those not conversant with and indeed totally uninterested in local rivalries, which is over 53 million of your fellow citizens on present count...”

You have some crystal ball or other such device which allows you this penetrating insight into the concerns and intentions of some fifty three million folk and then presume to speak in their name?

“...it merely attests to the continuation of those bitter loyalties which have resulted in violence, hatred and the continuing dismemberment of the United Kingdom. Presumably that is not what you served in Northern Ireland to prevent. That you obdurately choose to further this mis-association is most telling of your own lack of understanding of the wider world. “

Hyperbolic flatulence! It attests to no such thing you intellectually and morally challenged wee man! Any more than the allegiance of any other rational and law abiding football fan attests to their support of a lunatic minority who wear the same colours! For the record and by way of comparison, this Celtic and Scotland daft Bhoy has always considered the mainstream media’s use of the phrase “The English Disease” to characterize all English football fans, and by implication English folk in general, as potentially homicidal hooligans to be intellectually sloppy, morally repugnant and borderline racist!

“I am also, as you are well aware, a devout Catholic and a former soldier”.
“So you keep telling us.”

Precisely how many times have I alluded to my profession or my Faith in this forum?

The only reason I did so in my last comment above was in response to your flagrant ad hominem backed up by a passage from Wikipedia ffs! And now that I come to think about it you have yourself alluded to your Jesuit schooling, Recusant heritage and, again citing Wikipedia as an authority ffs, (paraphrase) the historic ethnically segregationist and genocidal activities of (verbatim) “perfidious Albion” across the water! All this some time before I ever made mention of my background.

“Would you not agree then, that a devout Catholic is judged by his deeds rather than his words...”

This is a rather Calvinistic take on Catholic doctrine? Say rather we are judged by both word and deed.

“...feeling no need to proclaim his certainty in his faith...”

You were taught by Jesuits?

“indeed would hide it, preferring to rely on the intellectual certainty and goodness of his beliefs and example”

Hide one’s Faith? Who taught you your catechism? You have gone from a Calvinist interpretation of Catholic doctrine to a Quietist or Semi-Quietist one within the same sentence!

“...rather than proclaim his sanctity to all?”

I confessed to Faith not sanctity! I am a sinner.

“By their deeds shall ye know them . “

See above under Calvinist interpretations of catholic dogma.

“As I have told you before one of the most hypocritical arguments from Catholics I have ever heard, and oft repeated, especially as they lose the debate and their perceived moral high ground as they retreat to the Keep of their religious certainties, is “I continue to remember you in my prayers”! “

“Catholics”? All of us? Do many of us offer to pray for you in such circumstances as these then...?

Unlike yourself who claims the right to speak for fifty three million Britons, I can only speak for myself when I say that any such offer, any such expression of Faith that I might make in this forum is sincere. I am well aware that there is no way to prove this objectively.

Och and you think that you are winning this debate do you? In your dreams maybe! You have not landed a single effective blow Maister Noa. Weel maybe a few on the straw targets you have set up along the way! Lol

“What typical impertinence of you...”

Are you still referring to “Catholics” here or just to this particular Catholic?

“...to think you that you have sole or better access to the mind of God than your fellow man!”

By what possible stretch of interpretation or even imagination does praying for someone so much as imply that one has privileged access to God?

“So whilst I uphold your right pray for whom you wish, I would prefer you exclude me as I fear they would, due to the impurity of your motives lie more heavily on the scales...”

You have some magical capacity to see into the motives of your fellows then? Is this the same magical capacity which allows you to discern the minds of the fifty three million and speak in their name? And you accuse Catholics, or just this Catholic, of impertinence?

Best let others be the judge of our respective motives Maister Noa.

“..than the sins and omissions for which they purport to compensate. “

Translate please?

“Finally...”

Thank God! This is like cutting one’s way through jungle! Did the Jesuits no’ learn you aboot paragraphs? lol

“You must have struggled to leave behind that “If I want your opinion I’ll give it to you” attitude when you left the Army for Civvy Street and reacted badly when people disagreed with you and told you to stick your opinions where the sun don’t shine.....”

Crystal ball time again I see! And that is an interesting take on the culture of HMAF you have there Maister Noa! In point of fact, while I do miss the mob, I am having a lovely time enjoying my temporary retirement.

“... do you think being “a former
soldier...”

Nothing to do with anything in this particular context?

“...gives you the right to try to bully, attack and abuse your fellow posters when you disagree with them?”

Och this is absolutely priceless! This from the most enthusiastic participant in what was probably the most vicious campaign of bullying that I for one have ever seen in these pages? The individual who in language redolent of Der Sturmer and imagery redolent of the "Final Solution” characterized another human being as less than human and worthy only of being poisoned or shot at discretion?

Do you have any capacity for self-awareness whatsoever?

Be seeing you!

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Peter From Maidstone
June 12th, 2011 7:42pm
Peter, I can't find a Speller, there are Bold, Italics an wonderful emoticons etc., but no Speller that I can see. I type and make mistakes, and also sometimes spelling errors. I've tried writing my posting first and then pasting it on, but no success!

Verity

Kennybhoy - Wow! That looked really long and boring as I scrolled down at speed!

David Ossitt

Verity.

With regard to your sensible comments on first cousin marriage that is practiced by 95% of the Pakistani/Bangladeshi communities in the UK.

The most stupid woman in Britain Yasmin Alibhai-Brown wrote a piece in The Daily Mail this week on the same subject, she tells us that her whole family is riddled with the tragedies caused by ‘inbreeding’ an expression that the silly woman finds offensive.

She mentions the case of one cousin who married the son of her own mothers brother, she produced a blind, a deaf and a mute child, her husband divorced her with the families encouragement and we the state keep his ex-wife and her brood.

I wonder if she can speak a word of English.

Noa.

AAE 10:12pm

An uninformed comment.

But not surprising perhaps, from someone who appears to advocate the return of the B Specials and so the armed policing of the Catholic majority by the unpaid Protestant minority.

Why not re-introduce the Black and Tans whist you're about it?

Kennybhoy

"... armed policing of the Catholic majority by the unpaid Protestant minority."

Ahem Maister Noa. Wrong way round. The majority population in Northern Ireland are of Protestant background. Only if one considers the island of Ireland as a whole are Catholics in the majority. Do you advocate the separation of Northern Ireland from the rest of the kingdom and the creation of a united Ireland? If you do, then how do you see this coming about?

"Why not re-introduce the Black and Tans whist you're about it?"

I was under the impression you and your little friends wanted to see something similar on the streets of immigrant areas in British cities?

Kennybhoy

AAE on June 12th, 2011 10:12pm

Long running feud man! lol

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/6358123/salmond-scotland-and-political-opportunity-in-crisis.thtml

And it goes back even futher than this.

Austin Barry

Postergirl questions the bird-killing properties of wind farms:

"Thousands of birds and bats are killed every year by these things - for what ?
Where is the Audubon Society, or the RSPB ?
Why are the Friends of the Earth so silent ?
Could it be money ? Or pride - what ?"

These murderous and largely useless windswords are deemed 'green' and therefore 'good' and the yellow-teethed, brillo-bearded, self-appointed 'Greenies' are on the horns of a dilemma, so they remain quiet.

Noa.

Kennyboy

A new week!

Re your points

1. "Wrong way round... "The majority population in Northern Ireland are of Protestant background. Only if one considers the island of Ireland as a whole are Catholics in the majority …"

Indeed that is so and I stand corrected, a late night post…lol!. The demographics will soon change that though, as you're aware, but no doubt thought it inappropriate to mention that . ROTFLMAO!

2. “ Do you advocate the separation of Northern Ireland from the rest of the kingdom and the creation of a united Ireland? If you do, then how do you see this coming about"?

I do not know the answer to your question.
If answered in the round I would like to see a full, voluntary political and fiscal union of all the British Isles, believing that we were and would again be stronger together . However I suspect that New Labour has set us on an irrevocable course to the de-construction of the United Kingdom and that the respective politicians of that dis-United Kingdom will aspire, to EU rather than national interests. However, even in that DUK l wish to see a strong, independent, democratic England emerge, after all what’s a legitimate goal for the Scottish, Welsh and Irish nationalists is surely no less so for we English. Or do you consider that aspiration to be ‘politically incorrect’”?

3 "Why not re-introduce the Black and Tans whist you're about it?" I was under the impression you and your little friends wanted to see something similar on the streets of immigrant areas in British cities?”

Truly, a nasty wee comment and you’ve sinned again! Lol!!
Actually no. like the majority of British citizens I wish to see the repatriation of illegal immigrants, including benefits tourists, UK bred drug dealers and child sex corruptors, convicted terrorists, other criminals and Labour Neathergaters. And over the next 20 odd years, as the demographics of third world immigrant population work inexorably towards a muslim majority, I expect that we will continue to appease a hostile culture and population until such time as the entire population is subject to sharia law and all churches, CofE, RC, or Wee Wee Free. But that’s all right because it will have been executed through due democratic process and you and I will be long gone and not have to worry about the mess !

Still, AEE has re-introduced the concept for Northern Ireland and, as you were an active part of the, to quote you: 'up close and personal' armed policing of a militarised and hostile religious and sectarian population on UK sovereign territory, you no doubt have skills and lessons to profitably offer us in this area of law enforcement that will bring you out of your comfortable retirement! lol!

Be seeing you!

Noa.

Re my post of 9.49am;

I notice the following correction is required;

"and all churches, CofE, RC, or Wee Wee Free de-consecrated and converted to mosques".

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Austin Barry
June 13th, 2011 7:35am
Postergirl's poster last night got me thinking. Naturally I was very upset, as I'm sure most people here were too. This is beyond politics, or should be, and something musy be done to save our wildlife.

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

I actually saw a posting by Wilhelm 1 on Turbulent Priests, it said "testing"! Where has he and it gone??????

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Wilhelm 1
June 12th, 2011 12:11am

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Testing 123
Seen under MP Arrested.
Wilhelm, please come home!!!!!!

Frank P

Further to the rant of the week by by Munchkin Wrangler (the originator of distilled cow piss fuel), the commentary on American Digest following Gerard's post is hilarious and in tune with the Wall's green debate.

*ttp://americandigest.org/mt-archives/citizens/addicted_to_what_now.php

[Had to use the h/* trick to get the link accepted; can somebody explain how and why the Coffee House software rejects some links and not others? ... and thanks EC for teaching me that trick]

Frank P

Glad to see Kenny and Noa relaxing a little and answering each others points in better humour. Very interesting exchanges and excellent points made on both sides. As someone who married the Irish problem well over half a century ago - and also dealt with some of its manifestations at very close quarters on the British mainland in the line of duty, I appreciate the nuances. And as I think I told Kenny before, I also suffered the consequences of Scottish tribalism, when I once attended the now abandoned England v Scotland battles on the terraces of the old Wembley Arena, when it was not unusual to experience the warm, unmistakable sensation and odour of Scottish piss cascading down one's back (or even in one's pocket if not sown up beforehand).(Moreover they didn't even bother to mutter that it was raining, beforehand). I dedicated a whole chapter, in my abandoned memoire, to football and Rugby tribalism in the Piccadilly Circus international post-match 'celebrations' (aka civil wars) of a Saturday evening back in the old days when the objective of the drunken mobs was to scale Eros despite the best efforts of Savile Row Police. But I probably already reported a synopsis of it somewhere on these blogs, so I won't repeat myself - my memory diminishes by the day.

Noa.

One for Frank P's naughty niece!

My Dog

I went down to Social Security this morning to sign up my Dog.
The woman said, "Dogs are not eligible to draw benefit". I explained to her that my Dog is black, unemployed, idle, can't speak English and has no clue who his dad is. She looked in her policy book to see what it takes to qualify.

He gets his first cheque on Friday.

Damn this is a great country..

Frank P

Noa (12.08pm)

Much appreciated and passed on: it will probably unleash an explosion of other such memes and a tsunami of opprobrium of the homourless Left. Bring it on!

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Frank P
June 13th, 2011 12:41pm
Frank P and Noa, that hound should definitely be offered a peerage!

Anne Wotana Kaye 1

Another shaggy dog story (but it's true)! In the Daily Mail I read that Tony Blair reads a few pages of the Koran everyday. He says he wants to be Religion Literate. Wonder which text he reads for Black Magic & The Occult?