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Thursday, 7th July 2011

Boris or Dave?

Grace Palmer and Phoebe Alexander 4:48pm

Schoolboy rivalries never quite go away - just look at the ongoing competition between Boris Johnson and David Cameron. Even though it was Cameron who held up Johnson’s arm in a symbolic victory gesture after Boris became Mayor of London in 2008, you wonder if Cameron had his doubts. After all, Cameron never actually approached Johnson about the post, initially choosing Nicholas Boles as the Conservative candidate. Furthermore, Boris Johnson refused to rule out a future bid to become Prime Minister.

With the increasing unpopularity of the coalition government and its leaders, the Spectator decided to conduct a(n admittedly unscientific) poll of 75 people: would Johnson, the ‘cycling mayor’, make a better Prime Minister than Cameron? The results were even – 34 people preferred Boris, while 41 supported Cameron.

One man said “Boris Johnson just hasn’t been impressive as Mayor,” and so couldn’t see him being impressive when in charge of the country. Another, however, found his character refreshing, describing him as “entertaining” and a “very bright man”. Others thought they were too similar to judge. As one person put it, “they are both from the same mould”, while another argued Boris is the “lesser of two evils”.

But let’s not get carried away on a Boris bike. Cameron is not without support, even being described as “the best we’ve had in ages”, “more responsible” and “more serious”, while Boris is “a wonderful buffoon, but David has more substance”.

Overall, while the majority love Boris for his “banter” and his honest approach, Cameron is believed to be the serious man of steel, the one that can lead the country.  Boris simply doesn’t have “the right persona” for the job.  Or does he? CoffeeHousers, it’s over to you…

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Jack Simpson

July 7th, 2011 4:55pm Report this comment

Dave - perfect for PM, Boris - perfect for Mayor

Verity of Uncommon Purpose

July 7th, 2011 5:00pm Report this comment

"Cameron is believed to be the serious man of steel, the one that can lead the country."

Believed by who? People who have an IQ below 80?

Vulture

July 7th, 2011 5:02pm Report this comment

Cameron: man of steel?

Surely you jest.

Man of jelly more like.

This rubbery chameleon has bent and twisted himself into more U-turns than a Dyno-Rod operative.

Boris may be a buffoon, but at least he cheers us up. Just thinking about slippery Dave is deeply, deeply depressing.

Tiberius

July 7th, 2011 5:07pm Report this comment

I don't think Boris would get the nod from the Tory grass roots even if he got past the MPs - a bit like that other supposed treasure, Ken Clarke (although I acknowledge the background would be very different as the "stop Portillo" movement wouldn't apply).

Thankfully the party will have better alternative leadership material than IDS next time round.

Peter From Maidstone

July 7th, 2011 5:15pm Report this comment

Why give a choice of two people as if your results show that DC or BP is ideal PM Conservative material?

The choice of David and Boris is not a choice.

What we need is a true patriot with conservative values and principles, and the ability to communicate those in a popular manner.

Such a man is neither Dave nor Boris.

Woody

July 7th, 2011 5:19pm Report this comment

It's truly sickening watching right-wingers and Boris going after Cameron at this time. The same old achilles heel of the Tory party, no discipline, or loyalty.

Perry

July 7th, 2011 5:20pm Report this comment

The H2B a 'man of steel' ...?

Oh dear, I think not ... devious, manipulating, ... and besotted with his 'image'.

Truly, the H2B.

And Boris, a wise man, a man before his time, wanted to impeach Bliar.

We need Boris in high office asap please!

Charles Martel

July 7th, 2011 5:25pm Report this comment

@PeterFM

Spot on.

Verity

July 7th, 2011 5:47pm Report this comment

Perry - I don't know how I missed it, but I didn't know that Boris wanted to impeach Blair.

Verity

July 7th, 2011 5:49pm Report this comment

Woody, Cameron has done nothing to engender, nor demonstrated any characteristics that would give rise to, loyal.

He is a sleazy, self-adoring tenth rater.

David Parker

July 7th, 2011 7:33pm Report this comment

Sorry, but this is a stupid and irrelevent article, which neither conveys any original thought nor asks any pertinent questions.
The Coffee House is far from being highbrow, but surely it can do better than this?

Boudicca

July 7th, 2011 9:03pm Report this comment

Cameron - Man of Steel!

That's a good one. His track record certainly doesn't demonstrate that. He is a wet, liberal, pro-EU puppet, dancing to the tune of the Commissars and jumping every time they jerk the strings.

Smooth as a snake, slippery as an eel; and entirely untrustworthy.

I'd far sooner have Farage - but if it has to be between those two then Boris understands the concerns of ordinary people far more than Cameron and would make more effort to address them.

Simon Stephenson.

July 7th, 2011 9:32pm Report this comment

Do you have any evidence that Johnson and Cameron were schoolboy rivals? They were two years apart in a school of 1,300 boys, and Johnson was a King's Scholar, meaning that he would never have been in the same House as Cameron. Moreover, at the time they weren't the Prime Minister and the Mayor of London, they were two teenage boys with not a clue as to what they would later become. Isn't it more likely that Johnson, especially, being the elder, wouldn't have known Cameron from Adam during his time at Eton?

But perhaps the fact that they went to the same school is enough to make them schoolboy rivals.

lola

July 7th, 2011 10:16pm Report this comment

Cameron is a political class apparatchik. Johnson is a 'character', and also political class, but not an apparatchik.

Quite frankly thinking about it I am pretty neither of them are really any good at all.

lescam

July 8th, 2011 12:00am Report this comment

Wouldn't want Boris as PM any more than "Call me Dave", but in fairness to Boris he appears to be more in tune with the electorate. However I get sick of his clowning attitude. If he was more serious and less of a comedian I would like him a lot more. As for Cameron, he should take a long walk on a short pier.

Fergus Pickering

July 8th, 2011 12:50am Report this comment

Oh, I don't think I like the idea of a true patriot. You mean like Adolf or Slobodan? No, I think I'll pass on that one. What about someone energetic, realistic and at least as honest as the next man. David Cameron perhaps.

trev1959

July 8th, 2011 1:33am Report this comment

As a Socialist I have to say that I have never bought into the 'Boris the buffoon' narrative. I think he has that magical quality of being in tune with ordinary people and we know how far that served Thatcher. I see Boris as a very dangerous opponent.If he were Tory leader I think he'd lead them to a massive landslide victory thus,I hope he never takes over. Cameron is such a twit that he is Labour's best weapon for a speedy return to Government.

tom jones

July 8th, 2011 10:06am Report this comment

41-34 isn't even. Go back to school. A good free school.

StephenW

July 8th, 2011 10:44am Report this comment

The day Cameron was elected to lead the party I said he was a wet. Seems more like a coward now.
Boris would be better as PM but so would Daniel Hannan. David Davis is more principled than Cameron but may not have the media appeal needed to get the swing voters.

Peter From Maidstone

July 8th, 2011 1:27pm Report this comment

Fergus, why show contempt for patriotism? There is no such thing as an un-patriotic conservative, which is one reason why much of the present Conservative Party is not conservative at all.

Those who despise the country where they live, and that is what those who are contemptuous of patriotism do, are agents in the destruction of our nation, just as much as every other left-liberal stooge.

Simon Stephenson.

July 8th, 2011 1:47pm Report this comment

Contrary to standard thinking, I believe that Johnson's public presence would be wasted if he were to become, nominally, the leader. His most influential role, I reckon, is as a supposedly loose cannon, able to promote innovative policy in a way that, should public reaction be unfavourable, is neither particularly damaging to himself, nor to the nominal leadership, whose "separation" from Johnson shields them from flak.

Better altogether to have a grey nonentity as "leader" with the decisions being taken by a cabal that is painted as being much looser than it actually is.

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