Immigration headlines spell trouble for Cameron

Heartless P.

Never mind!

The Sanctimonious H2B will, like his Hero, simply perform that soppy grin, utter a few banal words, - and walk away.

Vulture

We are gioverned by a left liberal elite who have given up even pretending that they are governing in the interests of this country.

The only fight that spongy Cameron is interested in is to fight what Mr Jones calls ' the right' - ie. his own party and its supporters whenever they feebly protest as he implements the orders of his masters.

Not for nothing was the Conservative Party long known as the 'stupid party'. They must indeed be terminally dim not to realise that they are being led by stooges of the European Union bent on breaking down the nation state and replacing it with an unelected Politburo of which Dave longs to belong - though the other members treat him with open contempt.

You say, Jonathan, that the general public is uninterested in the EU. They are getting more interested by the day as the message finally seeps in that Europe is the only issue, controlling as it does all the others: immigration, crime, the economy, housing and the environment.

The reckoning is fast approaching.

barry

The e-petition on immigration policy has passed the 100,000 figure in under a week; this does show the genuine level of public concern.

Keith

I think people are losing the will to comment on this kind of material. There's too much of it and it all points the same way.

FvH

Once again he's NOT on top of things - May is nothing more than an obedient lapdog - she looks and sounds out of her depth (too scared to be interviewed by Today)

No doubt Team Dave are writing a splendid speech at this very moment!!

He is all talk the talk but no walk thew walk

A 1 term PM

Backbenchers are starting to feel that the chances of an outright majority at the next election would be higher without him

Stalking horse challenger next year

Serious leadership contest and gone in 2013

The group of 81 have learned the lessons from Labour's failure to defenestrate GB when they had the chance

normanc

Only 1% of the public care about the EU, which dictates the bulk of our immigration policy, so why should Cameron worry about this?

Those 1% of people who do care about the EU/immigration are probably all racist extremists anyway so their views are best ridiculed.

Isn't that how this one goes?

Now, I'll just hold up the corner for the carpet for you, nip out and get the brush.

Slim Jim

Unsettle his backbenchers? The entire Conservative party needs a collective kick up the backside. Let's face it - even if Cameron did want to do anything about immigration (or indeed the EU), he can't, because he has at least one hand tied behind his back by the Yellow Bastards, as well as the EU & ECHR. The genie is particulalrly hard to put back inside the bottle, but it must be done. Or we are well and truly doomed.

Pettros

Despite Nu-lab being deeply dishonest they were much better at dodging bullets that this lot.
Its just a constant stream of cock-ups. Is there anybody on the front bench who hasn't taken a kicking by the media yet? maybe Osbourne.

M. Rowley

Cameron is turning himself into the heir to Heath. Utterly clueless and a traitor to boot.

Chris

For the last few years we've had some of the most oppressive border controls of any country. Yet the immigration obsessives still scream ridiculously that we have 'open' borders. It's impossible to please them, so Cameron shouldn't bother trying.

Why on earth, at a time of spending constraints, waste money on a load of useless annoying security theatre that does nothing to protect anyone?

2trueblue

It would be really good to feel secure that our civil service were just that. They were politicised by Liebore and it is difficult to get a handle on who is supposed to be doing what. WE have a lazy biased media so I think we know nothing about what is really going on. Totally fed up with it all.

Dennis Churchill

2trueblue
November 8th, 2011 10:51am
It is not surprising that the civil service and the rest of the public sector up to and including the judiciary are politicized—they have been attending compulsory political courses for decades.
That we should find it acceptable that taxpayers’ money is used to promote a political ideology such as the cultural Marxist “Diversity” agenda is incredible for a so-called liberal democracy. Imagine if all public bodies had a legal duty to promote patriotism or Christian culture.
The Conservatives could shut this down by threatening an inquiry into Andrew Neather’s revelations about Labour’s covert open borders policy. They won’t because the leadership are the same type of political wonks as we had under Labour, with the same conditioned views on the EU and “Diversity”.

Tiberius

2trueblue sums it up very well.

Getting shot of Mrs may wouldn't change the hard-wired NuLabour double-think in the immigration dept in the short term any more than immediate health reforms will make nurses nurse again.

The centre right papers hostile to Cameron still don't understand that the alternative to Cameron in 2010 was another term of Gordon Brown, not a David Davis (or whoever) Conservative administration. What they also fail to understand is that their best chance of seeing the policies they really want in 2015 is to support Cameron and his ministers in trying to turn the ship around the necessarily huge circle.

There are few journalists apart from Matthew D'Ancona who see this. And I don't agree that that the Speccie is supportive of Cameron as Tim says. There are too many headlines or blog titles similar the the one in today's DT, which choose to overlook the periscopes trained on that turning ship.

Chris lancashire

This issue and most of the commentators on here have got caught up in Labour's tick-box style of government. Look at what actually happened - the Home Office decided to relax reading chips (which is extremely time consuming) on EU passports at Heathrow. Very sensible. At Manchester and Liverpool airports which I use frequently my chipped passport is read every time - a complete waste of both mine and the immigration officer's time.
Senior management of the Border Agency decided, off their own bat, to take it further and have, rightly, been pulled up about it.

Unfortunately what will now happen is that ALL passports will be read EVERY time. A total waste of time and effort.

Equally unfortunately all the right wing nutters will join with that nice Ms Cooper to attempt to make it something it quite clearly isn't.

Haldane

You rightly point out the high importance the public place on the issue of immigration.Isn't it then curious that,as far as I am able to ascertain,neither the whole of the BBC News operation,nor SKY NEWS nor ITV NEWS (plus the Guardian natch.) ever mentioned the Migrant Watch petition, either online or on air at any time from launch up to and including the moment it exceeded 100,000 signatories. Given they all would have access to the same Issues Index, you would have thought they would have wanted to keep their audiences abreast of developments or at the very least least tell them of the petitions existence

Holly ......

If this is May's fault,why did the top bod at the UKBA admit to widening the relaxation
of checks against what was instructed?

Why was the top bod at the UKBA suspended once the top bod admitted they did it
'their way', if it was May's fault?

Why did UKBA staff allow people they suspected to be suss go through unchecked, then run to their Labour puppet masters to tell of their worries, when all they had to do was check any one dodgy?

May is indeed head & shoulders above the likes of Cooper, who is a disgrace to women in kitchens up & down the country.

Coop told the HS to 'get a grip', lets hope Tonsil boy can muster up the courage to do the same with his own front bench of vile hate filled, proven to be useless,gobshites.

Now May has discovered how crap the staff on all levels are lets hope the 'grip' is tight and,helps rid us of the useless dregs in the public sector who are floating to the top and, when sacked some on here don't start spouting 'scapegoats' all bloomin' day.

Let's see the calibre of grubby underpants posing Bryant...Imagine him on the world stage representing the UK?????
yuk!!!

The Jackson verdict the top headline followed by Italy....Says much.

Hexhamgeezer

'Unlike the EU, it's one that the general public does think is important'

Only because the well placed legions like Mr Jones make sure by constant deception, evasion, and lying my omission, that the public are not reminded that unelected EU officials or unknown forreign politicians dictate the parameters under which we live.

Every time the issue of immigration, tax, employment policy, industrial policy, competition policy, the price of food, energy and clothes, availability of housing, cost of benefits, prison population etc etc etc is raised the EU connection should be flagged up. It'll be a cold day in hell though before the Eurobots come clean about what they and the EU have done to us.

Peter From Maidstone

Chris, how can we be said to have the strictest border controls when on fact over 500,000 immigrants are welcomes into England every year? That is 1% of the population, every year. How can that be called strict in anyone's book?

And if you are an Islamic terrorism inspirer then not only do you get welcomed in - even if you are on a list of undesirables - but you get to sue the English people for having inconvenienced you!

Chris

"Chris, how can we be said to have the strictest border controls when on fact over 500,000 immigrants are welcomes into England every year? That is 1% of the population, every year. How can that be called strict in anyone's book?"

See - utterly made up. Have you ever been abroad at all?

strapworld

Like skittles on the alley they will fall one by one. Cameron is proving to be more incompentent than Brown! (if that was possible). He is led by Clegg who has no mandate whatsoever to lead the country. I am sorry. I had great hopes for Mrs May but she has proved to be less than ordinary. She has to go.

Like Chris lancashire, I too use Manchester/Liverpool airports and the security is excellent and non intrusive. Heathrow is a different kettle of fish. We went there, from manchester, to fly to Singapore then unto Melbourne. In Heathrow I had to go through three checks? three long slow queues and operated by people who must have been trained by Post Office counter staff, with attitudes of little Hitler's. Singapore and Melbourne the checks were thorough but quite rapid. If Singapore/Melbourne/Manchester and Liverpool can do the checks fairly quickly. Why is Heathrow so bad?

Dennis Churchill

The new automatic scanners at Gatwick also seem to be faulty.
Why can’t systems be designed that are suitable and resourced for the task; or is that too revolutionary for the highly paid designers of these non-fit for purpose systems?
As long as we have sufficient women, ethnic minorities, homosexuals, transsexuals etc etc working in the various agencies it probably doesn’t matter to our political classes that the agencies are inefficient and a waste of taxpayers’ money. All down to priorities.

Russell

Actually Jonathan, I think you will find that the public are interested in the EU as demonstarted recently with 2 petitions, one over 100,000 and one over 320,000 signatures.
The EU controls our Immigration as well as overruling our law, and has a massive negative impact on our Imports bill, apart from our £billions per year subsidy paid to almost every member of the EU.

disenfranchised

as recent events have somewhat confirmed that we no longer have democracy in this country, benign fascism, of a well-meaning english variety, of course, is beginning to look our best option.
only someone with an iron fist will get us away from the EU, stop immigration, create a fertile business environment, sack public sector slackers, cut welfare to the bone, etc, etc, etc.
names on a postcard.....

Chris lancashire

strapworld: you clearly haven't used Manchester when the Emirates 380 unloads alongside American and 3 or 4 local flights or Liverpool with a couple of Ryanairs and a couple of Easyjets. That's coming in. Don't get me started on the totally brain dead security checks going out.

Widmerpool

Watching Mrs May being questioned by Keith Vaz she seems pretty shaky.

The prospect of loosing another Cabinet Minister within weeks? More than careless as Lady Bracknell would say!

Publius

Looks to me like a union conspiracy to damage the government. I don't blame Teresa May for this any more than I blame the Transport Minister for the M5 pile-up.

MajorFrustration

Are any of our politicians fit for purpose?

Nicholas

"as recent events have somewhat confirmed that we no longer have democracy in this country, benign fascism, of a well-meaning english variety, of course, is beginning to look our best option. only someone with an iron fist will get us away from the EU, stop immigration, create a fertile business environment, sack public sector slackers, cut welfare to the bone, etc, etc, etc.
names on a postcard....."

Goodness. That's the last thing we need but I suspect the direction that we are being deliberately manipulated towards. A sort of China - authoritarian government dressed up as paternal and benevolent, exploiting capitalism for its own ends but behind the scenes a disaster of self-serving governmental elites displaying staggering incompetence, abusing their authority and presiding over moral and fiscal corruption.

No thanks. I'd like to wind the clock back to a British government, any government, that demonstrates humility, gravitas, respect for the individual, a genuine sense of duty and responsibility towards the majority (not the gobby minorities), an adherence to truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, rationality, reason and above all maturity. Everything in fact which the upper-class twit and born again, bien-pensant, propaganda monkey and knee-jerk hippy bullying his toady clique in the cabinet does NOT represent.

Pettros

oh-dear. she is getting eaten alive at the select commitee.

Matt

To see what the future holds for large swathes of Urban Britain, have a look at the councillor list for Tower Hamlets

Biggestaspidistra

disenfranchised@12:44"as recent events have somewhat confirmed that we no longer have democracy in this country, benign fascism, of a well-meaning english variety, of course, is beginning to look our best option"

Might be time to have another look at the Occupy movement outside St Paul's and in many of our fine cities. Nicholas you might want to dust off your sleeping bag,

Vettekulla

As a UK national living in Sweden often travelling into Europe, the only country where my UK passport is ALWAYS rigorously examined before I am allowed through immigration is the UK! Immigration officials in other EU countries often do not bother to even open the passport let alone check its details or slide it though a computer. So calm down Britain, you are better protected than you seem to think.

Nicholas

"To see what the future holds for large swathes of Urban Britain, have a look at the councillor list for Tower Hamlets"

Yes and the majority of Asian councillors are Labour. Not a Conservative amongst them. Neathergate was a pretty good plan.

liz wilson

Telegragh is no longer right wing.Replace
all cival servants.UKBA seem to be feeding press labour party and unions all kinds of
paper work,who else would they share informtion with.

disenfranchised

@nicholas....
a reincarnated churchill, perhaps? but it will have to be someone of enormous standing (and whose childhood didn't involve pulling the legs off spiders), who will be allowed to make unilateral decisions, without the bother of forming governments by what are now proving to be totally meaningless elections (unless, of course, UKIP were to pull off a landslide victory).
then we'll get policies that are actually good for the country.
and wouldn't that make a pleasant change.....

strapworld

Chris Lancashire. I have, and I accept it was tiresome, but until you have experienced the queues upon queues upon queues at Heathrow when you arrive from Oz, alongwith flights from all points South, you will understand that anywhere but Heathrow is okay!

General Zod

FvH, writing down your fantasies does not make them come true.If it did, I'd be writing away frantically.

strapworld

Matt, Listen to the BBC and watch the BBC and you know by the presenters what the future holds. Not long before the news is read by someone wearing the Burkha!

FvH

I'm sorry... and I'm not making this up....we decided to let anyone in without any checks

Verity

Nicholas ... Nigel Farage for PM. He thinks like lightning and would raise the quality of not only governance, but debate.

Winston

Tiberius. Of course Matthew D'Ancona supports David Cameron. He's his mate from Eton and fellow metropolitan elite dinner party buddy. Very few are still falling for the 'stick with us' line anymore. Its pretty clear to all but the blindly loyal and the vested interest brigade that the Cameron clique have embraced State socialism and ditched Conservatives principles.

Chris lancashire

Verity: do spare us, Farage has only the lightest grasp on the reality. He looks and sounds quite mad.
strapworld: I really don't think you've been there - any lunchtime except Sundays.

Tiberius

Winston: what you say may be true, but it is also true that Matt was one of the first journalists to identify how the Tories would ever overturn the New Labour juggernaut.

I suspect the Conservative principles you seek are the ones that left the party an irrelevant political force, even in government, for over ten years.

disenfranchised

@verity....
i'm with you, 100%. nigel farage would make a brilliant PM.
he is the only one with a complete and comprehensive grasp of reality (that's true facts for the benefit of the liblabcon lot); the very sanest of us all.
and anyone who says otherwise has been listening far too much to barroso, rumpy, sarky and whatever her name is.
UKIP are our only salvation.....

Verity

Chris Lancashire ... I've never noticed you before, so you are clearly one of the drab communist army whose posts and names are not memorable.

You clearly know nothing about Nigel Farage and have never met him to judge the quickness of his mind.

Dennis Churchill

Matt
November 8th, 2011 1:39pm
To see what the future holds just take a look at Tower Hamle: forget the list of councillors.

Verity

Strapworld, my respected ally, please do not capitalis burqa as though it were a proper noun.

It's a piece of cloth that muslim women ... and muslim jihadis in disguise ... cover their faces and the back of their necks with, for protection against the sun, under the impression that this was one of allah's ideas.

To repeat for the 17 thousandth time ... and sorry to shout ... THE BURQA IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE QRAN. It is not mentioned by allah. It is not even mentioned by mohammad (the mohammad who "married" several six and seven year old girls, so devoted quite a lot of thought to attire).

The burqa, the niqab and all that other gear is intelligent attire developed for protection against the burning sun and sands of the Sahara. Men wear burqas, too, although the male version is called the thobe. And keffyahs (I must admit, a rather dashing piece of attire on a man) were designed for the same reason as the niqab ... to protect the eyes and the back of the neck from the harsh Saharan sun.

The burqa is not mentioned anywhere in the q'ran. Ignorant imams who insist that it's a command from mo' cannot point out that command anywhere in the q'ran or surahs.

It is just sensible attire for people plodding through the desert and was developed centuries before the West invented cars for people to travel around in.

Dennis Churchill

The problem with our political class can be seen by looking at the background of the three main party leaders.
None has experience of management before their present role. The parties gambled on them in a way no other large organisation would gamble by appointing inexperienced people to its most senior positions.
Cameron went from policy wonk to MP to leader of the Conservative party to PM.
We would have had to be very very lucky if he turned out to be a natural manager able to operate at the highest level hence the series of mistakes.
The same is true of Clegg and Miliband.

Rhoda Klapp

Tiberius, if they intened to get back in by becoming new labour, in all but name, then mission accomplished, well done. I hope you are proud of them, and their flexible principles. Look how well we are all doing now.

Chris lancashire

Dennis Churchill: couldn't agree more with you. Parliament is stuffed full of wonks who have never done a proper job.

William Blakes Ghost

The list of failures of this government is growing by the month.

Failure on Democracy and Constitution
Failure on Defence
Failure on Energy
Failure on Transport
Failure on Environment
Failure on Prisons
Failure on Police
Failure on the EU
Failure now on immigration
Economy and Business stalling

And some really terrifying Communistic tax proposals bouncing around the Westminster Freakshow.

A Government cannot survive if it has only three anywhere near competent ministers (IDS, Gove and Pickles)

PS I also note the Libdems seem to be on the wrong side of every one of these issues so given Cameron's weak sniveling handling of the Libdems there is no chance of any (to use Labour's phraseology) fightback.

Unfortunately, I think these toffs just ain't up to it.

strapworld

Chris lancashire. You are not the only person to fly, you know. Of course I have-in direct answer to your accusation. You just stop upsetting our national treasure, Verity.

London Calling

Putting aside the fact that May’s job is safe for now, although I doubt she considers her position of being safe is paramount in contrast to a safer, stronger border control. The relaxation of border control has got to be the dumbest decision ever implemented. The open border policy should not mean a walk through unchecked and any time. It would have been so easy for this border relaxation to have leaked out in many ways, least of all by those entering the UK at that time, to have posed a serious threat in regards to terrorist activity, need I say more?

At the same time it is announced an extra 100 million pounds for 6000 military to ring fence security for the 2012 Olympics, whilst the draw bridge to our country was down and unmanned, would imply our priorities are backwards and some of those in charge should be on the work programme…

With regards to the EU… the UK have yet to awaken to the true facts of this treason …however the eyes are flickering…and the truth will out…

Boudicca

I am reminded of that Blackadder scene ....

"We are not at home to Mr Crup."

Cameron seems to have invited Mr Crup into Government on a permanent basis.

We need people with experience of the real world running this country. The professional politicos haven't got a clue what they are doing or how to do it.

We should set minimum standards for future MPs: at least 10 years high level experience working in the private or public sector or running your own business.

SpAds, PPE graduates and anyone who has worked for an MP or Lord should be barred until they have gone off and done 10 years out in the real economy.

TGF UKIP

Poor old Tiberius, desperately clinging on to the last few bits of his disintegrating raft of Cameron apologia.

All started out so fervently for you didn't it, old boy? All the Blue Labour stuff was simply to ensure the horses weren't frit nor "the voters deluged with doubt" and then with election won, the metamorphosis would take place and Thatcher2 would emerge to turn Britain blue again. Not worked out quite like that, though, has it, the pre-election social democrat ugly duckling has stayed just that.

Much more like Heath2 than Thatcher2, or as he described himself "a relatively liberal One Nation Conservative" exactly the sort of self description that Ted or Ken Clarke might have provided of themselves.

Am not too sure who you are seeking to convince these days, Tiberius, yourself as much as anyone else it would seem. Certainly, I wonder if you really believe all you write, or perhaps it's just from a lifelong habit of espousing hopeless causes.

Dennis Churchill

The picture of Cameron’s chief Spin Doctor, Steve Hircsák (Hilton) in today’s Telegraph goes some way to explaining why this government is out of touch with what should be its supporters.
Shaven headed, wearing shorts ,knobbly knees on display as he prepares to cycle in to work.
Do you think he is likely to understand the concerns of the average voter when he dreams his Blue Sky dreams?
We need to copy the USA and bring in experienced people from outside politics rather than seemingly recruit from the tent city by St.Paul’s.

2trueblue

What was Keith Vaz doing on a committee on anything to do with immigration? Was he not involved in helping someone their passport problem?
This is simply a witch hunt. Liebore tore up the rules and opened the doors, had their own agenda to change the culture and the whole mix in the UK so why are conducting this charade? It is impossible to fix something that Liebore spent 13 yrs fixing to their own agenda. I do hope that May can muster everything she has to ride this out. With our media we are unlikely to get to the truth so what hope do we have?

2trueblue

Denis Churchill, too right we need some savy, intelligent palyers. Where can we find them? WE need people who are down to earth, blue sky is for the birds and so last year. That is what got us into trouble. We need good solid, experienced, sane, down to earth people involved in government.