Breaking down those record immigration figures

Peter From Maidstone

It is not true that people support student immigration. The survey referenced asked about UNIVERSITY STUDENTS, but there are 300,000 'students' in the UK who are not attending a university at all but a variety if lower grade courses. People were not asked their opinion about such pretend students, so their opinion about university students should not be taken as being the same as that towards such 'students'.

Paul Danon

A student shouldn't count as a migrant unless they stay. The number of emigres is puzzling. Are these really all disenchanted English folk retiring to a Costa on their pension?

David Lindsay

"Very much back, yes" was the reply of Margaret Thatcher when, as Leader of the Opposition, she was asked if she was trying to bring the National Front vote back to the Conservative Party. The full interview can still be read on the website of her Margaret Thatcher Foundation.

Bringing us to the recruitment of "volunteers" to run immigration next Wednesday, far too soon for any sort of checks to be run on them. Is David Cameron trying to bring the EDL back to the Conservative Party? Very much back, yes.

Jayu

So the number of immigrant isn't the issue, so long as the number of people leaving the UK, be they indigenous or not, is higher than those coming in, Cameron can claim that "net" immigration is coming down. Who, exactly, is that supposed to mollify?

TrevorsDen

Since these people are civil servants then they have already passed checks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/23/civil-servants-border-control-strikes

TomTom

These figures are incomplete. We have NO idea how many EU nationals enter the UK, but the bulk of Immigrants are from the Indian Subcontinent and Africa and are NOT EU.

The whole smokescreen of telling us it is all EU and cannot be halted is getting tedious. The aim is simply to break down border Controls and force ALL human beings to be electronically tagged and forced to carry ID Cards to serve some dream of a TOTAL Database linking telephones, taxes, finances, addresses, and tracking.

It is a battering ram to destroy what were relatively homogenous nations

Edward Sutherland

Jonathan Jones: presumably these figures take no account of illegal immigration. Is there any guesstimate as to the level this is running at by the government, UKBA or the police and as to the illegals come from? I would hazard a guess Afghanistan,Somalia,Iraq and West Africa would feature high on the list of illegals,

TrevorsDen

Interview...
Burns
So, some of the support that the National Front has been attracting in recent by-elections you would hope to bring back behind the Tory party?
Thatcher
Oh, very much back, certainly but I think that the National Front has, in fact, attracted more people from Labour voters than from us, but never be afraid to tackle something which people are worried about. We are not in politics to ignore peoples' worries: we are in politics to deal with them.

Mark, Edinburgh

So the students just don't go home, or are the graphs apples and pears?

Just what are the colleges (and their Lid Dem apologists) actually selling, higher education or a quasi right to settle?

REPay

Who is leaving and where are they going? I suspect that many are people getting out of a country that does not really like high earners, unless they are in the public sector; millionaires, unless like members of the shadow cabinet they have already accrued pension rights that would be equivalent of 1.2 million. Oh, and if you are away for 10 years you (uniquely among democracies) lose your right to vote, though you will still pay 28% tax on your home that you maintain. I understand Labour did some research and worked out that citizens who live abroad are not reliable Labour voters, unlike the state dependents and low-earners imported to do work that is considered to be below UK benefit recipients.

Jez

'AFREEEEKAAAAA-KAAAAH-KAAAAH!!!'

On 'Graph 2' it says that 118,000 people came from the land of 'Other' (I think it's sat next to the land of 'Never, Never' btw)

Could this be another word for Africa by any chance?

So that would be 148,000 from Africa & a 121,000 from the Indian Sub-Continent. Which equals 269,000 thousand Asians and Africans per year residing here and enriching our hideously white culture.

With (Graph 4) 300,000 plus (200,000 probably white British) are leaving in the same period.

Well! I for one say that this is absolutely excellent!

Congratulations to the power elite and good luck to them as they see their sh*tty little schemes at engineering this crap, turn around and most probably bankrupt the dumb twats.

Rule Britannia!

Charlieray15

Thank you, Jez. Couldn't put it better.

Cynic

The thing that strikes me most is the sharp increase in "inflow" after 1997. The brakes started to come off in 1992, but the numbers really picked up speed five years later. When are we getting a Neathergate article?

Wilhelm 1

Jez

I love that '' other '' country too.

Other = Africa = shit hole= England turned into a shit hole.

Jez

The thing is because we are now such a weak people, us 'Brit's' (huh? there isn't such a thing now?!) seem to give everyone who comes here such a benefit of the doubt that it's not until the whole thing almost comes crashing down, that we actually admit there's a problem.

All these students. Are they all really here just to study?

The 118,000 'Others' (that's a big number btw).... er, where are they from, what do they want?

This doesn't even touch on the illegals.

The powers that be who want this. Surely they can't see a return on their investment regards this social meddling?

Ok. I know because we have been told that the rise of Islamic Fundamentalism isn't anything to do with numbers and they are more British than i am, the riots had nothing whatsover to with anyone except middle class white kids and that without 'us' (me, a whitey trashy crappy) being a minority in 30 years, then my family's life would be monotine and wrong- does anyone actually suspect that we are Balkanising the UK into a powder keg of future rival communities?

Just a thought.

Great graphs anyway! Yes, students. That's what the majority of the immigrants are. Studious, Chinese 'Harry Potter' like students. The economy and industry would collapse without them.

Justathought

Dear Jonathan,

Could you provide pie chart showing the origins of those immigrating here for "Formal Study"?

Also research shows 31% of those questioned wanted to reduce immigration through the 'formal study' route. Of that group polled 61% wanted illegal immigration reduced. Would it be reasonable to conclude that of the 238,000 who immigrate under 'formal study' a large proportion are non-eu and a high per cent are bogus?

David Lindsay

TrevorsDen, but the civil servants will also be on strike that day.

These volunteers could be anyone. I think we can all guess who they will be, and why.

Jez

Just over 20% have actually come here to work! Huh?!!

You could actually have field day interpreting these graphs.

69,000 people didn't even give a reason why the hell they came here!

The future looks really bright......

Richard Marriott

I don't mind foreign students paying to study here, provided they return home at the end of their studies.

The problem are too many scams and too many bogus courses and colleges, designed to defraud the immigration system. What is needed is a bona fide way of ensuring the system is operating as it should.

Peter From Maidstone

RePay don't forget that immigrants from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh get to vote in our General Elections just by being here. And of course they can register for postal votes using a UK address and then go home and vote from the comfort of their homes in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Of course English people have no say at all in the elections of India, Pakistan or Bangladesh.

Jayu

@jez

So in your mind the 118k others have to be those dark skin ethnics. They couldn't possibly be white skinned South/Central Americans, Russian, Icelandic, Greenlanders, or other non A8 Europeans?

strapworld

Trevors Den...The National Front? are you sure they still exist? Perhaps Matron has not kept you up todate.

Verity

Paul Dannon, who asks, "Are these really all disenchanted English folk retiring to a Costa on their pension?" hasn't been paying attention.

Hordes of successful, productive Britons of working age are leaving for Australia, NZ, Canada, the US and other Anglophone areas TO WORK. They are not retirees. They are not going to loll on the beaches of Spain on a pension. They are going overseas to advance their careers and earnings. For the most part, they don't intend to return except for visits.

Verity

Having just read P from Maidstone's post, I am totally baffled that non-citizens can vote in Britain, when the governance of the country is a matter for those who own it, the British.

In the US, even if you manage to get a Green Card, you cannot vote. You can work and pay taxes, but you are not accorded a vote.

After you have been in the US for FIVE YEARS, you are allowed to take a citizenship test. If you pass it, and become a citizen, with a stake in the country, you can vote. If you never bother to apply for citizenship, and the exam is quite rigorous, you will never be accorded the right to vote.

Why is Britain such a slag? Oh! Silly me, Labour scum needed to import votes.

Yow Min Lye

It's interesting that 72,000 people from the United States and the Old Commonwealth arrived here.

However, how many of these guys will work here for a few years before returning home? Conversely, how many of the 292,000 people from Africa, the Middle East and the Indian sub-continent are here to stay?

Jayu

@jez

"You could actually have field day interpreting these graphs."

Except in your case that should read misinterpreting. Did it ever occur to you that a large proportion of the 29k that actually gave no reason may be those that are so wealthy that they are not required to give any reason? No, of course it didn't, because all you see are dark skinned ethnics intent on disrupting and destroying your Utopian way of life.

Wilhelm 1

Jayu

Don't be a donat all your life.

Wilhelm 1

Jayu

Don't be a donut all your life.

Austin Barry

Neither the centre nor the infrastructure will hold if these numbers continue. There will be blood, spilling across a dystopian nightmare created by our elite. Bidonville Britain, truly dark and satanic in a way Blake could never have imagined.

Wilhelm 1

Jayu

Were you the little creep and snitch who got my comment erased ?

daniel maris

I tend to go with Austin on this.

Looking back to the riots we saw plenty of ethnic vigilantism (which the MSM almost completley ignored) - groups of Turks, Hindus, Bangladeshis, Sikhs, BNP whites and others protecting what they see as "their patch".

We need a full stop to mass immigration for a good 10 years.

Maddy1

Those places where the plebs live cheek by jowl within concentrated housing and associated infra-structure pressures generally have one main race. Even in Singapore the Chinese have managed to tidy the Indians up!
Notice the Lumley fiasco with the resultant cut back in sodliers holds no traction with our unapologetic do gooders.

TomTom

Yes Daniel Maris, we even had paeons of praise for a man "showing restraint" after his sons were killed in a hit-and-run without any mention of the ethnicity of the perpetrators, nor the fact that the father was on a charge of GBH and Aggravated Assault awaiting trial

URAllPigs

Rather than indulging in mildly racist banter about these figures, perhaps folks would like to comment upon the lack of competence of the Conservative-led government in dealing with one of its priorities? Number of people turned away at ports and airports this Summer was down 13% on the same period in 2010 (despite the recent boasts about the success of the so-called "Pilot" to focus checks on high-risk individuals); removals of failed asylum seekers and illegal entrants also down 13% during the Summer months of 2011 compared with the previous year. And net migration to the UK at the highest level on record for a single calendar year. If they can fail so spectacularly on this, what prospect for the UK on everything else?

Rome is Burning

Odd. My post reminding people that the Editor, Fraser Nelson stated on these pages that he supports "mass immigration" wasn't published. I wonder why. Perhaps my comment that Scottish independence can't come soon enough was deemed to be racist. Or was my comment about England waking up considered to be seditious?

Either way, I'm unsurprised at the censorship. This place hardly even bothers to pretend it is independent or libertarian these days.

Matthew Tysoe

It is about time ALL students pay a £20,000 cash bond upfront until they leave the country. If they do not leave within 2 months of finishing their course they lose it. Degree courses only for immigrants too.