The cross-party talks that may test the coalition
Peter Hoskin 5:49pm
Whenever politicians talk about social care, they tend to promise ‘cross-party
talks’. It's their little euphemism for ‘we don't want to commit to a policy by ourselves.’ Don't get them wrong, it's not that they don't have ideas for fixing a system that is
straining under the weight of an ageing population; the Dilnot report, released earlier
this year, gave them plenty of recommendations to work with. It's just that they don't want to be the ones to implement the tax hikes or spending cuts that will be necessary to fund it. If they
can talk it through with the other parties — the thinking goes — then this crucial policy area can be detoxified, the blame spread more or less evenly.
So today's news that those cross-party talks will actually begin in the New Year is progress, of sorts. But I wouldn't get too excited just yet, CoffeeHousers. The last time these cross-party talks took place, when Brown was in power, it culminated in one of the bitterest episodes of the election campaign. And even though safeguards have been put in place this time around — apparently, the parties have committed not to leak nor brief during the talks — the potential for conflict is still enormous. Indeed, Labour's new attack on the ‘stealth tax’ in social care suggests that the hostility is currently being pitched up, not wound down.
Besides, there will be much occasion for political positioning during these talks. Reforming social care was a priority for the Lib Dems in their manifesto, so their response will be intriguing. Do they fight alongside Labour for more funding than George Osborne is prepared to allow? Or do they seek to compromise on the side of the Tories? The answer will tell us a lot about how assertive Nick Clegg is feeling, and perhaps even about the health of the coalition itself.



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Heartless Curmudgeon
December 30th, 2011 6:39pm Report this commentCross-Party my A*se!
Why don't the wretched wastrels go out and get a proper job instead of living off the state?
Enough already!
Herbert Thornton
December 30th, 2011 6:47pm Report this commentCross party talks may work out well so long as the parties concerned are all honourable men.
However when they are not, then we can expect only lies and treachery. Are any of the participants trustworthy? Of course not.
David Ossitt
December 30th, 2011 7:29pm Report this comment“If they can talk it through with the other parties — the thinking goes — then this crucial policy area can be detoxified, the blame spread more or less evenly.”
Bollocks, bollocks, a thousand times bollocks, the great majority of voters are fully aware of what is wrong in this country, some might prioritise one thing some another, but all in all we the public are of the opinion that the thirteen years under New Labour led this country in to a madness, a hell of breaking, altering, spoiling, corrupting, lying, cheating, and criminal vandalism of institutions that once were the envy of the world.
And the bastards left office in the full knowledge that we were in the worst financial situation than we have ever been in.
So come on David Cameron, bugger cross party talks, Labour are up the proverbial creek without a paddle, the real truly nasty party the LibDems are in meltdown, seize the day get on with it, put everything back to normal.
Let your mantra be put right the wrong, repair what’s broken, let your motto be do it today, for the love of our country get on with it and earn the respect of the people.
Verity
December 30th, 2011 9:43pm Report this commentDavid O - Cameron's only concern is the seating at the top table in Brussels.
Noa.
December 30th, 2011 11:14pm Report this commentLib? Lab! Con!!!
Philip Walker
December 30th, 2011 11:16pm Report this commentWhenever someone demands 'cross-party talks', I'm reminded of Adam Smith's warning about men of like trades meeting together in a conspiracy against the public. It holds doubly true for politicians, you know.
David Ossitt
December 30th, 2011 11:29pm Report this commentHi Verity.
I do hope that on this occasion you might be mistaken.
anyfool
December 30th, 2011 11:33pm Report this commentNo need for talks, when the council receive an application for care costs sack a outreach worker or some other useless non job "worker" saving approx £60000
wrinkled weasel
December 31st, 2011 12:13am Report this commentI am shocked by some of the cynical comments about this. Quite shocked because there is no offer of hope, no prospectus for change for the better and no belief in a quest for good by the ruling classes. It is as if Rolf Harris has been poisoned by a digeridoo smeared with Curare.
Malfleur
December 31st, 2011 1:27am Report this commentPart 1
Perhaps they could discuss ways of cooperating to enlarge the country's work force and to improve the cultural diversity of our cities and villages. According to the UN Special Rapporteur on Violence, Yakin Ertürk, who toured eastern Congo in July 2007, violence against women in North and South Kivu included 'unimaginable brutality'. 'Armed groups attack local communities, loot, rape, kidnap women and children, and make them work as sexual slaves.
Malfleur
December 31st, 2011 1:28am Report this commentPart 2
Does London have a significant population of Congolese and, if not, why not?
Our political class has been remiss. Surely these young freedom fighters and their families, no doubt savagely victimised since the temporary cessation of hostilities, are what London and its great industrial and manufacturing cities need to enrich the cultural mix in line with cross-party targets- just the ticket for our political class to ride home on to their London compounds from their cross-party talks.
Malfleur
December 31st, 2011 1:31am Report this commentThe photograph raises an important political question: how should one's arms be held in a media photo opportunity - hands in pockets? arms crossed? hands clasped across the genitals? hands behind the back? arms akimbo?
Perhaps some time could be devoted to this urgent question.
Andy H
December 31st, 2011 1:53am Report this commentI just wish that they would grow up.
Why do in to politics if not to improve things?
Colin Cumner
December 31st, 2011 9:06am Report this commentWell, we can only hope something meaningful will result from these talks but as the saying goes ' hope for the best, but expect the worst '.
Nicholas
December 31st, 2011 10:46am Report this commentwrinkled weasel - I think the cynicism is a perfectly understandable reaction to the direction politics has taken. Those three men are charlatans, not an ounce of integrity in one of them. It's obvious but for some odd reason we are expected to pretend it isn't.
The pattern seems to be distraction, outrage, nannyism, whitewash, all heavily larded with propaganda.
an ex-tory voter
December 31st, 2011 10:47am Report this commentAchieving change for the better, whether as a result of cross party talks, or indeed individual party action, presupposes the presence of someone possessing vision, conviction, strength of purpose and a demonstrable ability to lead others.
Tell me please, having looked at the above photograph do any of you see even one of those virtues in this sorry bunch of political nonentities.
TomTom
December 31st, 2011 11:05am Report this commentFarcical. The bulk of Social Care Need is for geriatric women, men having died much earlier. The stunt is to force men to pay for something they will not benefit from whilst the EU rules that gender should not be grounds for discrimination in car insurance.
The addition of extra taxes to fund another Pay As You Go Ponzi Scheme shows nothing has been learned. The Welfare State will destroy the economy and proposing to have it grow further is ludicrous.
How can you propose to fund Social Care when you cannot even produce JOBS and yet increase benefits by 5.2% ? This is the Madhouse reminiscent of jokes about Soviet Plumbers
Matthew Tysoe
December 31st, 2011 1:22pm Report this commentCross eyed more like.
Colin Cumner
December 31st, 2011 11:06pm Report this commentFor those of us who are of advancing years, it will be recalled that the Welfare State was created as a safety net for those who, through no fault of their own, found themselves in dire economic circumstances. However, over the years this original concept has been overtaken by the ethos that benefits provide an alternate lifestyle for those who decide working for a living is beneath them. It is time the whole system had a serious and committed overhaul. For a start, many of the payments going to the feral elements of our society would be better made to the chronically sick, disabled or in aged care. Oh yes, and let's take a scythe to those outrageous 'perks' that the politicians currently receive.
Verity
January 1st, 2012 12:41am Report this comment"Cross-party talks" my arse. They are all the same party. It's a masquerade.
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