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PMQs footage

Peter Hoskin 3:02pm

Thanks to the great Politics Home, here's footage of the Cameron and Brown exchanges in PMQs:

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Tiberius

June 4th, 2008 4:13pm Report this comment

Brown has taken a right kicking there.

See his thunderous face by the time Cameron had finished with him!

bt

June 4th, 2008 4:20pm Report this comment

Terrible performance from Brown, but the most interesting shots were of the entire Lab front bench - nobody offering the slightest support, not even the habitual nodding dog that is Straw.
Brown's finished, he'll be gone before the summer recess

Talia

June 4th, 2008 4:55pm Report this comment

What IS VAD? He said it two or three times. He’s got so many terms masquerading for the word tax he can’t remember which one to use.

David C

June 4th, 2008 4:58pm Report this comment

This is an impossible situation. Brown is a worse commons leader than Ian Duncan Smith.
Duncan Smith at PMQs was, at least, coherent and his line of reasoning was not based in a denial of fact.

David Lindsay

June 4th, 2008 5:27pm Report this comment

Why did David Cameron keep referring to Labour backbench plots against Gordon Brown? It seems very insecure to do that.

Are the few remaining moral and social conservatives, Eurosceptics, Unionists, and foreign policy realists on his own backbenches (there will be next to no such Tory MPs after the Election, and none at all in the Parliament after that) giving him some grief at last? Better late than never, I suppose.

Why does Shailash Vara, a very close Cameron ally, imagine the Prime Minister to be this country's directly elected Head of State?

Just as it is taking a Labour Government to flog off the hospitals, as announced today, so it would take a Tory Government to legislate for the monarchy to die with the present Queen.

And just as time was when no Labour politician (and few Tory ones) would have considered such flogging off, so time was when no Tory politician (and very few Labour ones) would have considered such legislation. But not any more.

Finally, why did Phyllis Starkey, on The World At One, compare the Tories at PMQs to "Harrow Sixth Form high on drink and drugs"? Harrow? HARROW! As if David Cameron would give house room to anyone so low-born as to have gone to Harrow!

Trumpeter Lanfried

June 4th, 2008 5:44pm Report this comment

Brown worse than ever. Beneath the faux cheers you can hear Labour hearts sinking. The fire has gone out of their bellies. Only a matter of time now.

David Lindsay

June 4th, 2008 5:55pm Report this comment

Till what, Trumpeter Lanfried? The Tories still have nothing more to console them than overturning a mere seven thousand majority in Cheshire two years before a General Election, after managing a crudely projected forty-four per cent of thirty-five per cent (including neither most of the West Country nor anywhere in Scotland).

And even if they won, so what? As Peter Hitchens writes on his blog today, the condition for not being slimed to death by the British media is now subscription to the 1997 Labour Manifesto and its logical consequences for ever, effectively the basis for a permanent government, even complete with certain permanent ministers before too long.

The Tories have signed up to this in full, which is why the slime hose has now been turned on Gordon Brown.

Not only does David Cameron never ask about policy (which is bad), but (which is far worse) nobody ever asks him about it, either.

Anan

June 4th, 2008 5:58pm Report this comment

Is it just me or is David Lindsay getting more and more irrelevant, and his comments more and more innane, by the day? He seems to be imitating Brown very well.

Bernard from Horsham

June 4th, 2008 6:25pm Report this comment

David Lindsay..@5.27pm Its the Tory Toffs argument all over again. If failed in Crewe it will fail everywhere else.

Trumpeter Lanfried

June 4th, 2008 6:33pm Report this comment

David @ 5.55 PM: In answer to your question: Only a matter of time before the Labour party is defeated in a general election.

I look forward to that night, and the dismal recriminations which will follow in the Labour party and the corridors of the BBC.

MartSharm

June 4th, 2008 6:36pm Report this comment

Brown is terminally, utterly useless. After Cameron attacks him for using dodgy statistics, he comes out with this gem: "[due to taxes] a third more cars are low polluting, and a quarter less are less polluting." Is there anyone here that can make any sense of that?

Perry

June 4th, 2008 7:25pm Report this comment

Yes TL, - an interesting question.

How, - and how long after – will the BBC finally admit that there has been a change of Government? What mangled form of words will be used? How many ways are there of not saying plainly that the Party is over, done, and that we oh-so-clever pseuds at Al ja Beeba must start to look to our future?

[Perhaps 'pre-trauma' training and counselling sessions should soon be set in place.]

Richard Lowe

June 4th, 2008 7:27pm Report this comment

This whole “green taxation” business about polluting cars is based on the premise that when people replace their old bangers for nice green eco-cars or whatever they’re called, the old bangers will no longer contribute to “climate change”. This is nonsense. Clapped out old cars always have been - and always will be - shipped out to third world countries where they’ll carry on polluting away like billy-o.

Perry : re BBc (pt 2)

June 4th, 2008 7:52pm Report this comment

Ah yes, - the words have just come to me.

People will have to learn to ‘deconstruct the situation’ and ‘re-frame’ the ‘ishoos’. I think that’s the sort of bulls**t that may well be required.

Dr Theodore Dalrymple, a reluctant expert in Noo-Lie-Bore cum NHS cum managerial cum psychobabble speak, could give us more details.

JimBob

June 4th, 2008 8:52pm Report this comment

Brown looks a broken man. I honestly can't see him lasting more than a couple of months.

I've actually started to feel quite sorry for the guy.

SW

June 4th, 2008 9:20pm Report this comment

Jim Bob - Don't be tempted. That man deserves everything he gets, and more.
He still denies and lies.
He is destroying this country.

Paul L

June 4th, 2008 9:22pm Report this comment

Brown looked and bellowed like a mortally wounded animal today while the rest of his pack stared on in silence.

Chuck Unsworth

June 4th, 2008 9:29pm Report this comment

@ David Lindsay

"Not only does David Cameron never ask about policy (which is bad), but (which is far worse) nobody ever asks him about it, either."

Arrant nonsense. Cameron constantly asks Brown for explanations as to his policy, and in response Brown constantly asks Cameron about his policy. Thus Brown never directly answers Prime Ministers' Questions - except with his customary unending repetition of false tractor production figures when he has run out of stupidities such as referring to people as used car salesmen. Does Brown not even understand that if he wants to offer insults he would do far better to call people 'politicians' or 'journalists' or 'Estate Agents'. All of these 'professions' are deemed to be inferior even to 'used car salesmen'. But then what does Brown know about cars or salesmen, anyway? For that matter what does he know about politics?

Cameron has about two years before he need discuss detail of policy, whereas Brown should be answering such questions every Wednesday. That he chooses not to is a direct reflection of his bankrupt intellect. It'll also ultimately show him for what he is - a charlatan.

John Miller

June 4th, 2008 9:55pm Report this comment

Can you download YouTube videos?
I want to replay this one next Spring, when Brown or his successor repeals this retrospective tax.

I do feel that Cameron should have asked the question "How does the Prime Minister expect this to make people greener?"
A few weeks ago, Darling was suggesting that people should sell their (recently devalued by the Government) cars and buy new, expensive ones. That line didn't last long after Darling realised that HM Treasury couldn't afford to buy a new car, never mind traditional Labour voters

Nicholas

June 4th, 2008 10:58pm Report this comment

Interesting that on two occasions Brown berated Conservative MP's for wasting questions on flippant personal digs when they could have asked "serious" questions about policy, etc.

The obvious retort would have been that as Brown doesn't answer any questions anyway they might as well make flippant digs at him.

It all seemed a little like bear-baiting but on the contrary to what some have observed I thought the national socialist front bench looked very pleased with themselves, as though they had just headed off a bank bench rebellion. These small reverses to their advancing destruction take on the significance of mighty victories. A measure of how desperate and deluded they are.

I am finding it hard to follow David Lindsay's predictions about a Cameron government. That being the case, David, should we just let Brown and his motley crew continue in power? Or waste our votes on some obscure little party with a single focus agenda?

David Lindsay

June 5th, 2008 12:26am Report this comment

Nicholas, it simply doesn't matter which of these parties wisn the General Election. Not just politically, but increasingly personally as well.

Perhaps you will get the point if Cameron wins and Andrew Adonis becomes Education Secretary while still receiving the Labour Whip in the House of Lords?

Only John McDonnell would make any sort of fuss. And not even he would make much of one. No one still left on the Tory benches by then would bat an eyelid.

Minekiller

June 5th, 2008 7:50am Report this comment

A blogger on the esteemed Mr Fawkes site, once described the more recent Brown v Cameron PMQs as 'seal clubbing'. How apt, it is almost becoming painful to watch each week as MacLoon gets battered from all sides.

The planted questions are becoming ever more pathetic. Any Labour Mps reading this please, please stop this embarrassing nonsense. The Sheffield MPs 'question' yesterday was stomach churning and fooled precisely no-one.

occasional ranter

June 5th, 2008 8:22am Report this comment

Brown calls Cameron a used car salesman, but that's not as bad as being a used policy salesman.

MartSharm

June 5th, 2008 9:20am Report this comment

We should not forget to thank Fraser Nelson for his policy of exposing Brownies and encouraging Cameron to do the same, with stunning results as we saw today. Anyway, back to the Ford Focus...

Nicholas

June 5th, 2008 10:01am Report this comment

David, thanks for the explanation but I really do not believe that. There is quite a different character between the two parties which is obvious during the interview of any cabinet minister, shadow cabinet minister or even MP.

Nick Kaplan

June 5th, 2008 10:20am Report this comment

Anan; to suggest Lindsay’s comments are getting more irrelevant would imply that at some stage they ever were relevant; sadly they have always been the deranged ratings of an unreformed socialist who believes abortion is conspiracy to undermine the working class.... I really wish Mr.Lindsay would actually read something before he commented, perhaps something about the Tory education policy, but that’s probably too much to ask.

Fraser

June 5th, 2008 1:46pm Report this comment

Brown is crap. Brilliant.

Michael

June 5th, 2008 3:31pm Report this comment

What happened to Cameron's hair?

Tina

June 5th, 2008 4:29pm Report this comment

Cameron was fantastic and on top form. I fear Brown won't be able to take this much longer (mentally I mean). He was absolutley dismal. Cameron is very articulate whereas Brown spews out incoherant sentences in that weird Scottish twang of his.

David Lindsay

June 5th, 2008 5:58pm Report this comment

Nick Kaplan, the only Tory education policy has been to support the Government Bill banning the creation of any new grammar schools.

Nicholas, "there is quite a different character between the two parties"? Which planet are you living on?

Who is going to be in the next Parliamentary Labour Party? Mostly people with very close connections indeed to Cameron's front bench.

And who is going to be in the Cameron Cabinet? David Davis will last about as long as Clare Short did, and Liam Fox (if appointed at all) will last about as long as Gavin Strang or Michael Meacher.

As Peter Hitchens says, if a major horse race or football match were fixed as blatantly as Parliament now is, there would be riots in the streets.

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