We must be honest about honour killings
Michael Coren 3:11pm
White guilt has terrible consequences. This was made profoundly clear in Canada during
the three month trial of Mohammad Shafia, his wife Tooba Yahya and their son Hamed. They were convicted a week ago of the
first-degree murder of Zainab (19), Sahar (17) and Geeti Shafia (13), and 50-year-old Rona Amir. The three teens were Mohammad Shafia and Tooba Yahya’s daughters, Hamed’s sisters. Rona
was Mohammad Shafia’s first wife. The four women had been drowned in their car in June, 2009. The killers had chosen a canal in Kingston — a university town half-way between Toronto and
Montreal — because they assumed that the local police would be less sophisticated and able than those in a larger city. They had also researched murder techniques on the internet, and planned
this honour killing long in advance.
The case has naturally shocked the country, but is in fact only the most recent of a dozen murders in the last twelve years, most involving Muslim patriarchs aided by sons, cousins, and wives,
killing young girls who wanted to be horribly western by wearing nice clothes, dating nice boys, doing nice things. In the Shafia episode, the three daughters had refused to wear the burka, and one
of them had even dared to wear a bikini. Rona Amir had been unable to give her husband children, so he had taken a second wife, even though polygamy is illegal in Canada. Although not the
girls’ biological mother, Rona had loved them and tried to protect them. She had to die too.
Which brings us to the greater point here, with more long-term consequences than this single repugnant case. The authorities — be they police, politicians, social workers, media — are
obsessed with appearing to be progressive and non-judgmental where Islam is concerned; partly out of a fear of being accused of Islamophobia, but also because they genuinely believe that the white,
Christian West has more to learn from Islam than the contrary. The Shafia girls had pleaded with their teachers for help, and while front line social workers acknowledged that the situation was
potentially disastrous, the concerns evaporated as soon as they reached middle management. So Mohammad Shafia — who had written of his daughters, ‘may the devil shit on their
graves’ — was effectively permitted to commit mass murder.
Even now, commentators are embarrassingly, cringingly reluctant to link the crime in any way with Islam. Moments after the verdict was announced, the lead detective in the case told the public that
‘domestic violence is a terrible thing’. It is — but this wasn’t domestic violence. It was yet another example of a psychosis that has its epicentre in Pakistan, but extends
to most parts of the Islamic heartland, and many in the Muslim diaspora. It’s a self-evident truth that not all Muslims behave so brutally, but it’s also undeniable that Islam teaches
that a woman is the property of a father, then a husband. Most fathers and husbands are kind, but if they are not they are empowered by Koranic teaching and the prism of Sharia law to behave pretty
much as they like. Quite simply, honour killing is not considered a crime in much of the Islamic world.
While it’s true that honour killings are not exclusively Muslim, Islam is the only faith that boasts textual defence and sacred justification for such grotesque acts. When 16-year-old Aqsa
Parvez was murdered in Canada in a 2007 honour killing by her Pakistani father and brother, CAIR Canada — an oft-quoted and worryingly influential Islamic group — told the gullible
that, ‘It's important not to generalise. There are cases of violence across all faiths and all cultures’. That was rubbish; but worse than Muslim extremists hiding the truth are
non-Muslims embracing lies without question. We saw this during the Parisian riots, when mobs of overwhelmingly Muslim youths beat and torched their way through the city, often screaming
‘Allahu Akbar’. Yet they were almost never described as being Muslim by the media. So different from when the Norwegian killer Anders Behring Breivik, a freemason who wrote that he had
no relationship with God and had not attended a church in fifteen years, was repeatedly defined as a ‘Christian fundamentalist’ on international television.
Similarly with gangs of young Asian men in England who groom women to be sexual commodities. The fact that they are invariably Muslim suddenly becomes irrelevant to journalists who otherwise assume
every background detail to be essential to a good news report. In the United States, President Obama played this game of obscene hide-and-seek when he dealt with Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the US
Army psychiatrist who killed 13 colleagues and wounded dozens more. Even though Hasan identified himself as a Muslim radical and told friends that it was the duty of a Muslim to wage war against
the US Army, Obama refused to refer to the man’s religion.
He has gone further. Under the current administration, and to a degree even under his predecessor, moderate Muslims have been marginalised and almost excluded from the political establishment and
halls of power. It’s the racism of lowered expectations. Fundamentalist organisations have convinced white liberals that only activists with beards or burkas are genuine Muslims, and to think
otherwise is colonial and patronising.
It leaves us in a situation where will be more honour killings, and more Shafia girls murdered merely for being who they are. The killers can be dealt with, but not their politically correct
enablers. There’s something terribly unjust about that.
Michael Coren is host of The Arena, a nightly current affairs show on Canada’s Sun News TV.
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Rob
February 6th, 2012 3:33pm Report this comment"Even now, commentators are embarrassingly, cringingly reluctant to link the crime in any way with Islam."
Yes. In a discussion on extreme right-wing terrorism on 'Today' this morning, both presenter and interviewee admitted that the most serious threat came not from the extreme right but from - direct, euphemistic quote - "AQ-inspired" terrorism. Neither would use the word 'Islamist'.
Chris
February 6th, 2012 3:33pm Report this commentWell said, that man, except that there should be inverted commas around every occurrence of 'honour' in the above.
William of London
February 6th, 2012 3:40pm Report this commentMr Coren writes, 'While it’s true that honour killings are not exclusively Muslim ...' This sounds like the sort of non-judgmental attitude Mr Coren is condemning. Are there really any honour killings not perpetrated by Muslims?
MikeF
February 6th, 2012 3:44pm Report this comment'a fear of being accused of Islamophobia' - exactly and it is something that will persist until it is recognised that there is no such thing as 'islamophobia'. The term is mock-analytical gibberish that imitiates the look and sound of genuinely impartial scientific language to disguise an agenda of sectarian preference infused with cowardice and hypocrisy whose aim is the undermining of the system of thought and values that made such language possible in the first place - western, Enlightenment rationalism.
Level-headed Man
February 6th, 2012 4:05pm Report this commentI would like to tweet the link to the whole article, but am afraid of being labelled an islamaphobe. Has Islam already won, when people self-censor?
Maggie
February 6th, 2012 4:06pm Report this commentMuslims are currently using pathetic excuses for killing each other in Afghanistan, Syria, Egypt, Somalia, Kenya, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Indonesia and just about everywhere else in the world. it is ludicrous to lay the blame at "white guilt".
The Engineer
February 6th, 2012 4:11pm Report this comment"the white, Christian West has more to learn from Islam than the contrary."
What utter bollocks!
Heartless Curmudgeon
February 6th, 2012 4:35pm Report this comment. . . . progressive . . commentators are embarrassingly, cringingly reluctant to link the crime in any way with Islam
So come on, let us wage a war of attrition on the trendy-bendy-lefty-po-faced-hand-wringing-grouniad-reading bien pensant 'tendency'. They and their opinions are no use, never were, and never will be.
Heartless Curmudgeon
February 6th, 2012 4:37pm Report this commentLHM - yes! (and thank the Hero of the H2B and his coterie of conniving fools for his part in that!)
David Ossitt
February 6th, 2012 4:42pm Report this commentPart 1.
When I was at primary school if you misbehaved you got either the cane or the slipper from most teachers, others sent you to the Headmaster that was worse because the brief pain was delayed; you also got praise in abundance for effort, good work and good behaviour.
Misbehaviour outside of school was dealt with in a similar manor and those who committed what we call today antisocial behaviour might well end up in a Borstal.
Back then the penalty for murder was (in the most deserving cases) the death penalty.
David Ossitt
February 6th, 2012 4:44pm Report this commentPart 2.
Since then the namby-pamby liberal elite have; by lies and obfuscation, eroded these sensible measures that encouraged good behaviour and discouraged bad, they have progressively done away with meaningful punishments and replaced these with either no punishment at all ore else derisory, timid punishments that simply do not work.
In my youth you could walk the streets at night without the fear of being mugged, the young tended to respect the elderly, and despite what they tell us there were far fewer murders.
David Ossitt
February 6th, 2012 4:45pm Report this commentPart 3.
It is time to think again, I make a point of asking people whether capital punishment should be re-introduced, about 90% say yes.
Canada should start the ball rolling and hang these bastards.
Swiss Bob
February 6th, 2012 4:48pm Report this commentWhile muslim hate preachers are allowed to spout their bile against non muslims and jews (See Harry's Place for the latest example, http://hurryupharry.org/) and Labour MPs and members stand alongside those very same people there is little hope of this issue not being swept under the carpet, maybe a plane flown into Canary Wharf might focus minds.
You can add the grooming of minors by Asian gangs to the issue of honour killings.
David Ossitt
February 6th, 2012 4:50pm Report this commentSomebody has removed that vile nasty post from PS.
Tariq
February 6th, 2012 4:53pm Report this commentAn honest discussion about honour killings must start with demonstrable facts. What makes Mr. Coren (what an ironic name!) think Pakistan is the epicentre of this "psychosis"? And when was Major Hasan "dealt with"? He hasn't gone to trial yet.
Tiberius
February 6th, 2012 5:03pm Report this commentOne assumes that the "authorities" and "commentators" hate Western values (which includes themselves and also Christianity) more than the crimes under discussion. One also assumes that their views gain the upper hand due to weight of numbers. What I can't quite work out, though, is why they hold those self-destructive views. It requires a lot of self-denial to do so.
The irony is that they would be the first to expect to be saved from barbarism should the evil day ever come.
Peewit
February 6th, 2012 5:04pm Report this commentGood try but BRING BACK MARK STEYN!
Austin Barry
February 6th, 2012 5:16pm Report this commentCanada, a dull and worthy celebrant of multi-cultural diversity and vibrancy, is of course where they screen a dhimmi TV ‘comedy’ show, Little Mosque on the Prairie – a mirthless exercise in simpering Islamophilia.
I suspect the Shafia case may have damaged its ratings among more sentient infidels.
I hope so.
xenophon
February 6th, 2012 5:25pm Report this commentThe left has developed a seemingly unlikely affinity with Islam, and this in spite of many Islamic teachings which they are honour-bound to despise.
They enjoy the anti-Christian and anti-Zionist prejudices of Muslims, and secretly envy their easy despotism.
Private Schultz
February 6th, 2012 5:32pm Report this commentDavid Ossitt 4.50
I probably wasn't alone in reporting it.
Archie Ponsonby
February 6th, 2012 5:44pm Report this commentWhat Austin Barry said with knobs on. If you expect any kind of reform in attitudes to Islam, it WON"T happen in Canada. That country is probably even more cringingly political correct than here, if that's possible.
Halcyondaze
February 6th, 2012 5:46pm Report this comment"White guilt has terrible consequences." Ha! There are people who could have told you that years ago!
But nobody listened did they? The people who did dare to stick their heads above the parapets were shouted down and smeared as racists. Many lost their jobs and livelihoods. And the politicians, the press and the BBC were absolutely complicit in this.
New Labour set about changing the very make-up of the country in a deliberate attempt to rub the Right's nose in "diversity" and ensure that a patriotic centre-Right government could never ever happen again. This disastrously weak centre-left coalition proves that they were successful. The ultra-wet Cameron is the best we can hope for now - and he won't last.
Now any demographer will tell you that everything is set in place for the indigenous population of the country to become a minority within just a few decades. Our towns and cities have been transformed. Our customs, ways and norms are being subverted. Islamification is occurring at a rate which few media outlets will acknowledge and most people would be horrified by. Extremism is rampant in our prisons and universities. Crimes like the grooming of children and the ones referred to in the article above are on the rise. There is violence and disorder on the streets with more to come.
And they tell us that "white liberal guilt has terrible consequences". Tip of the iceberg. Just wait til you see the legacy you have allowed for your grandchildren while you stood by and did nothing...
Fergus Pickering
February 6th, 2012 5:47pm Report this commentWell, we are all right-thinking people here, I am glad to say. I can't think of anything Islam has to teach us. Nor Voodoo. Nor witchcraft. Nor the religion of the Aztecs. They are all savage and should be stamped on.
porkbelly
February 6th, 2012 5:49pm Report this commentThis article almost certainly could not have been published in Canada without the author being prosecuted for "hate speech".
Frances
February 6th, 2012 5:55pm Report this commentWilliam of London - honour killings have occurred among the Sikh population as well. There was a particularly nasty case in Calgary some years back where a man gunned down his sister, her husband, and a man who had befriended them and died trying to protect a pregnant bystander. The killer has been trying to get parole of some sort, but no indication he acknowledges he did anything wrong.
Matt
February 6th, 2012 6:02pm Report this commentThanks to the stupidity of Politicians and the PC Brigade, Europe will be largely Muslim by 2060. We are past the tipping point to do anything about it. God help our descendants,for a new Dark Age is coming
Tarka the Rotter
February 6th, 2012 6:12pm Report this commentI too would like to know which other religions espouse 'honour' killings - my other request is that we stop using the term 'honour killings' and simply say 'murder.'
Augustus
February 6th, 2012 6:13pm Report this commentThe price of this politically correct refusal to confront the ugly realities of the Islamic link to honour killings will simply always be more killings. No one will call upon Islamic groups to do something about this practice. No special scrutiny will be focused upon Muslims, or any studies undertaken about how honour killings can be prevented.No one will examine the question of unrestricted Muslim immigration in light of this problem. While learned analysts search for clues in Asian cultural habits, more young women will be murdered by their Muslim fathers, husbands, and brothers to cleanse their family’s honour. The ultimate victims in an age gone mad with political correctness.
C Powell
February 6th, 2012 6:20pm Report this comment"We must be honest..."
Indeed we must. Let's start by calling "honour killings" murder, "forced marriages" kidnapping, false imprisonment and rape, and "FGM" as child abuse.
Let's say, loudly and clearly, that whatever practices the Koran or Pakistani culture or the culture of any other state or society or sharia law may prescribe, they are not acceptable in Western countries unless they conform with Western laws and values.
If people don't like this they can move to a society more to their liking.
And anyone and everyone who carries out, aids and abets or justifies crimes should be dealt with to the fullest extent of the law.
It would also help if some of the social workers or managers or others who failed to protect these poor girls were also prosecuted or lost their jobs "pour encourager les autres".
If turning a blind eye to money laundering is a crime, then all the more so when turning a blind eye to murder.
EC
February 6th, 2012 6:33pm Report this comment" The authorities — be they police, politicians, social workers, media — are obsessed with appearing to be progressive and non-judgmental where Islam is concerned; partly out of a fear of being accused of Islamophobia, but also because they genuinely believe that the white, Christian West has more to learn from Islam than the contrary."
In that cultural cringe and in that fallacy lay the seeds of destruction of any any western style 'liberal' democracy that you care to mention. I cannot think of one that hasn't been betrayed by its political classes. Under New Labour England became the Neather-lands. (No wonder Salmond is seeking independence)
In France, Sarko has done his best to put on a show, in the Netherlands Wilders is fighting a brave rearguard action but everywhere else the ships of fools are heading for the rocks.
Jez
February 6th, 2012 6:40pm Report this comment'White guilt has terrible consequences.'
No. Wrong.
White *liberal* guilt has terrible consequences.
And let's face facts.... we feel you pain.
Literally- on the sharp end of it. Day in. Day f*cking out.
Frank P
February 6th, 2012 6:57pm Report this comment"We must be honest about honour killings"I should bloody well hope so; 'honour killings' my arse, they are planned and evil murders by barbarians.
Heartless Curmudgeon
February 6th, 2012 6:58pm Report this commentHear Hear Peewit!!!
- and Melanie!
Matt
February 6th, 2012 7:08pm Report this commentHalcyondaze- couldn.t put it better.2090, St Paul's becomes the London Mosque. Far fetched, I don't think so , the way the demography predicts the future ethnicity of the UK
David Ossitt
February 6th, 2012 7:33pm Report this commentTariq
“An honest discussion about honour killings must start with demonstrable facts.”
Hello Tariq you are quite right but in writing the above I do hope that you would regard the guilty result as a demonstrable fact.
Alexander Pelling
February 6th, 2012 7:52pm Report this commentI think it's unfair to blame Liberalism for this. Liberalism, properly understood, does not sanction murder by religious fanatics. Liberalism endorses and protects the freedom of the individual to do as he or she likes without fear of interference by others, including ()where relevant) Islamists.
It is Socialists, with their insistence on bracketing people into categories and their tyrannical and inflexible moral certainties about how those categories should relate to each other, who make it possible for the lives of individuals to be crushed in this way.
EmlynUwchCych
February 6th, 2012 7:53pm Report this commentA fine balanced piece from a wonderful Anglo-Canadian author. Michael Coren has got it spot on: people in Europe and North America refuse to name the Muslim elephant which threatens to crush all which is good about our Western, Christian societies.
Who will fight the 21st Century reconquista to drive out the cancer which threatens to eat us alive?
Rightwingnut
February 6th, 2012 8:20pm Report this comment'Islam is the only faith that boasts textual defence and sacred justification for such grotesque acts'
Really, come on then, Mikey, show us the texts. There are, of course, these texts to look at:
"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire".(Leviticus 21:9)
“And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)”
“For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him". (Leviticus 20:9)
daniel maris
February 6th, 2012 8:27pm Report this commentI have always been a little uneasy about using honour killings in the cultural clash with Islam.
Over the festive season there were a number of horrible murders by non-Muslims exacting revenge on their families, innocents as well, in the midst of a break up.
Why aren't they mentioned by the author? Don't they count? One can argue with justice that such killings are a product of our culture of personal freedom.
Also, I feel the honour killing argument reduces this to an argument about backwardness versus modernity, as though once honour killings stop, so does the threat of Sharia.
Nothing could be further from the truth. The real threat of Sharia ideology ultimately is political - its visceral, consistent and unbending opposition to liberal democracy and individual human rights.
bojimbo
February 6th, 2012 8:48pm Report this commentWhat is honourable about murder ?
Jez
February 6th, 2012 8:53pm Report this commentDaniel Maris.
You are almost certainly wrong.
If the incidents are the ones i think you are talking about, these were perpetrated by individuals most probably suffering catastrophic mental breakdowns. They are also exceptionally rare. And thank goodness for that.
Honour Murders are endemic throughout Islam from Kabul to Keighley.
That is probably why the author didn't mention 'them' as you put it.
Fergus Pickering
February 6th, 2012 9:39pm Report this commentCome, come, rightwingnut, nobody pays attention to these texts. How MANY wives and daughters were killed by fathers and brothers in Britain quoting Leviticus in the last ten years? The figure NONE springs to mind. How many devotes of savage Islam etc etc. MORE than none eh? Who would have thought it? Islam is backward and savage. Christianity, by and large, is not. Got it, feller?
Patricia Shaw
February 6th, 2012 9:41pm Report this commentAnother fanatical jewish apologist boycotted by student groups but laudded here with a blog.
Fraser, why is the Spectator a PR device for the Israeli Extremist Right?
Rightwingnut
February 6th, 2012 9:58pm Report this comment"The killers can be dealt with, but not their politically correct enablers. There’s something terribly unjust about that."
Yes, Mikey, about as unjust as the right wing enablers of Breivik going unpunished.
Austin Barry
February 6th, 2012 10:55pm Report this commentPoor old Patricia Shaw, consigned forever on your own strange trip, impelled by what perverse psychopathy we can only imagine. To you the acrid smoke from the death houses of Auschwitz, Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen simply act as dry ice on the sad stage of your Palestinian delusion. You should be ashamed, but you are so blinded by your obsession that even common decency eludes you.
Rightwingnut
February 6th, 2012 11:00pm Report this commentMy dear Fergus, I am asking for evidence that Islam offers a “textual defence and sacred justification for such grotesque acts”. I doubt Coren could provide this. Christianity is a barbaric death cult. Christians worship an instrument of death. I mean, how warped is that?
David Ossitt
February 6th, 2012 11:26pm Report this commentRightwingnut.
Yes you most certainly are.
Axstane
February 6th, 2012 11:39pm Report this commentEarlier I posted here a critique of the pernicious role of religion through the ages. I dwelt on the iniquities wrought by Christians in the Middle Ages and compared them with Islam which still lives on those times - too trenchant for the Spectator which did not put it up.
In passing, we should be proud of Patricia Shaw who has at last [and at least] learned how to spell Patricia.
Blaustenblog
February 6th, 2012 11:50pm Report this commentThis comment section reads worse than some of the stuff on CNN spouted by those crazy Americans about nuking Iran and whatnot. Political correctness DOES have an important role, not for the sake of keeping everyone's noses squeeky clean, but because as ever stories like these can overwhelmingly guide people's attitudes to Muslims in general which is WRONG. Characterising Islam as a barbaric and Mediaeval religion based on the permutations of extreme, radical Islam in this country and abroad that always hit the news so big, is plain pigheaded. Religion is not the reason these things happen. Honour killings went on well before most of the world's major religions were even invented. They still do go on regardless of religion in many cases in Latin America, Africa and China.
As for those of you struggling to come up with other religions or people's who participate in so called 'honour killings', have a little look at a small place we used to rule back in the good old days whatwhat - India. Hindus (and Sikhs). BUT it is not to do with Hinduism.It is about social prejudice, money and class usually and has been happening in that country for 5000 years now.
I would suggest that almost all of you have not taken 5 minutes to read even the Wikipedia page on honour killings before spouting all that venomous pig-ignorant bile on the Spectator's venerable blog. Do yourselves a favour: the link is here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
Skip to the bit about religion if you have a short attention span to the reality of highly important society changing attitudes.
modder
February 7th, 2012 12:26am Report this commentThe reporter doesn't know anything of Islam. No where in the Qur'an or Shari'ah will you find you can do anything as you wish to their daughters/wives.
Typical ignorance and hate.
And Maggie you should try living in those war torn countries before you make those stupid accusations
escapedRoger
February 7th, 2012 1:19am Report this commentThanks for the Wiki link, read the whole thing and the point about religions is well made. BUT!
Humanity is moving from primitive blind faith in religion as a whole to a realisation that human morality doesn't need deities, that is the stage beyond reformation. Islam, along with some others (silly old Mitt Romneys Mormons etc.) have not gone through reformation, where science confounds their cultish parts, to leave humanity and tolerance.
So called 'honour' killings should be punished just like any other murder, the destruction of life destroys a bit of humanity and perpetrators should be cast out of society, into prisons.
Peewit
February 7th, 2012 1:20am Report this commentBlaustenblog - work on your brevity and spelling. You sound like an over earnest sixth form student; both here and on your blog.
cassis
February 7th, 2012 6:15am Report this commentIf - as some argue - 'honor killing' is cultural and against the teachings of Islam, then why do Sharia governed Islamic states hand out laughably short sentences to the murderers? Why aren't they executed?
You can be executed for adultery and homosexuality, but not for murder? You can have a hand amputated for theft, but a six month to a year sentence for 'honor killing'? .... from a Sharia court!
And since Islam states in Al Qur'an that a woman is like a man's field and he can go upon her any time he wishes, that a woman's testimony in court is only worth half that of a man's, that a women who has been raped needs to find four male witnesses of good standing to prove the rape or she will be stoned to death for adultery, what makes you think that an Islamic country's 'culture' is not shaped and informed by Islam?
Austin Barry
February 7th, 2012 7:44am Report this commentBlaustenblog
Patronising tosh.
Blaustenblog
February 7th, 2012 10:49am Report this commentHahaha:
Poor old Patricia Shaw, consigned forever on your own strange trip, impelled by what perverse psychopathy we can only imagine. To you the acrid smoke from the death houses...etc. etc.
Please
Rebbeca
February 8th, 2012 10:52am Report this commentGood on Coren!
Because we need to have a conversation. At the moment the conversation consists of a few people saying things about the trouble with Islam and a few other people calling them 'racists'.
That is not a debate.
Unless we are in the Islamic world.
Where all critics of the trouble with Islam would simply be arrested.
We have to ask, is the driving force fear?
But it is troubling how easy it is that we are willing to give up our values - for the said reason of not offending the other guy.
Remember though the first impulse to quiet people about Islam was fear of getting bombed or attacked. That seems to have become almost religious - now it is racism - to raise tough questions on Islam.
Is religious freedom and respect for freedom of conscience still intact. Although we still profess to these things and call our countries 'FREE' - there is a dictate going out - on what one should think or believe about Islam - that is in violation of everything we say we believe in the free world.
As with these girls - who like other girls who have been killed - called out to the authorities for help - the focus was misplaced - it should have been on people - instead it was on Islam - and not offending it.
Just like in the Muslim world where Islam is placed over - the individual's rights and in so many cases, the individual's life. [See Sharia and the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights]
To say we support Islam - is to support this.
This is the new racism!!
Described as having a thought or word not sanctioned on religion.
ReefKnot
February 8th, 2012 11:43am Report this commentescapedRoger - so called honour killings should be punished just like any other murder.
Perhaps if anything is a " hate " crime, then these honour killings are and therefore they should be punished even more severely than a non-hate murder ( if there is such a thing ).
Mar Zutra
February 8th, 2012 2:21pm Report this commentLet us finally wake up to the mental impoverished fact molesting pseudo-scientific sociopolitical schema of political correctness and its culture vanquishing relativist perversity of multiculturalism that Islam is a totally anti-West/Canadian/Judeo-Christian cancer that must be recognized as such just as Nazism, Fascism and Communism.
Patrick
February 8th, 2012 2:25pm Report this commentRightwingnut:
You are asking for evidence that Islam offers a textual defence and sacred justification for honor killings.
Google "Umdat Al-Salik" (Reliance of the Traveller).
John.
February 9th, 2012 5:20pm Report this commentIt would be helpful to read just what is on the agenda of Islam, what are its aims and what kind of strategy it always employs to achieve those aims. Her is a short reading list:
Robert Spencer: "A Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam" and "The Truth About Muhammad".
Bruce Bawer: "While Europe Slept" and "Surrender - Appeasing Islam, Sacrificing Freedom"
Ibn Warraq: "Why I Am Not A Muslim"
Bat Ye'Or: "The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam".
Melanie Phillips: "The World Upside Down"
Oriana Fallaci: Trilogy.
Mark Steyn: "After America" and "America Alone".
John.
February 9th, 2012 5:43pm Report this commentA further book: Pamela Geller: "Stop The Islamization of America". Let us not forget the propensity of the Muslims to annihilate all possible sources of looking at the world in any way other than that prescribed by Islam. It took the Muslim Turks three whole months of burning books, night and day, to destroy the great library of Nalanda in Bengal, to which scholars would travel from places as far away as Greece and China. After the fall of Constantinople, there was an orgy of book burning and slaughter of the Christian inhabitants and the immense Basilica of Haghia Sofia that had been the greatest church in Christendom for 1000 years, had its mosaics whitewahed over and was converted into a mosque.
John.
February 9th, 2012 11:05pm Report this commentIt was of course the Muslim Turks who sacked and burnt Constantinople and the Afghan Turks who destroyed the magnificent university of Nalanda. Another book by Robert Spencer is "The Koran". Know your enemy!
John.
February 10th, 2012 6:00pm Report this commentMore haste, less speed: What I meant to write was "Afghan Muslims", not "Afghan Turks".
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