Barroso tries to come to terms with defeat and fails

Victor Newman

Please Sir, can we have our referendum back?

Max

The answer to your question James, is that they won't give up.

Max

Tim Harper

I have nothing against the European Union at an economic level, but the political layer is the part that needs fixing. However Lisbon is just a fudge, and the more the Commission tries to ram through the treaty the less democratic the whole edifice becomes.

What would hearts and minds is a root and branch review of the workings of the EU to ensure democracy and transparency, rather than the current cesspool of arrogance and corruption which makes the Commission so terrified of democracy.

Perry

The Beloved Leader is closer to Barroso than he realises : arrant stupidity and inability to understand ‘NO’.

[Thank you Ireland for helping us to see this even clearer.]

David Lindsay

Barroso is a very telling figure. The institutions of the Jacobin Republic of Europe subject us to the legislative will of Stalinists, Trotskyists, neo-Fascists, neo-Nazis, and various other undesirables.

And the President of the Commission is a classic neocon: a rabidly "free"-marketeering and pro-Bush product of the Maoist insurrection that brought down Lusotropicalism (so very similar in ethos to Commonwealth patriotism) and the Encyclicist 'Estado Novo', a hugely successful, if sometimes (though necessarily) heavy-handed, Catholic bulwark against Communism, Fascism, and civil war between the two.

Yes to the Commonwealth. No to Chiantishire and Cape Cod elitism.

Yes to Christendom. No to the EU.

Herbert Thornton

God bless the Irish.

Peter Wilson

Quote: "It really is quite comic."

Er no it's not at all comic, especially as this Treaty will be passed / ratified anyway

Pete

Like any dictatorship, their solution is the only solution that is acceptable.

Frank Pulley

Hoo-feckin'-ray!! Good for Eire!
Now watch the Continental c..c..c...c.conspirators duck 'n dive, bribe and bully, slime and scheme and try, try, try, try again.

The flag is flying half-mast over the BBC Donut in Wood Lane and all the anchors are in deep mourning. BBC bias reached a record peak today. All the presenters look as though they have had cut lemons rammed up their jackseys. And SKY is almost as bad. Dave Cameron has said the right thing so far - the Brown-signed piece of brown-stained paper is now Brown bread and Brown himself must appear on the steps of Browning Street and bloody well admit it.

Frank Pulley

btw ...Barrosso's statement on hearing the result could have been written by Mugabe!

adrian drummond

I've just listened to Barroso and he is talking as if it's busy as usual. For him it seems that the Irish referendum vote is no more than a minor hiccup...

EyeSee

You miss the EU point. They will not give up trying to impose the Constitution on us, they will give up asking. It has been said by EU Elitists before that the electorate just get in the way of The Project. (For the avoidance of doubt, The Project is a scheme to embed a money stream for the corrupt EU Elites).

Ed Lancey

Barroso used to be a Maoist. He should be washing dishes for a living now.

CCTV

Ed Lancey has it in a nutshell. Barroso is a permanent student with the gilded path of Geneva, Georgetown and never the real world of meeting payroll or budget....his son at LSE with PhD course shows the condition is hereditary.

Of course such people have no regard for the choices of voters - EU politicians have all been rejected by their domestic electorates and seek power by stealthy coup in the Commission

If the Euros do not learn to respect the people when they say No, some of them will find bullets stop them dead...they are playing with fire in their contempt for democracy

John

Lindsay, thanks for another comic piece of meaningless gobbledegook. You should have been the Marx brothers' scriptwiter. Do you actually read the nonsense you write?

Back to planet reality: I have always believed that the people of Europe, as distinct from the androids of Brussels and Strassbourg, will reject the fascist EU superstate if given a choice. Let's hope that it falls apart without too many more tears, although given the mindset of the Eurocrats - I agree with Perry on this - I suspect we'll get the tears before this monster is laid to rest along with its historical peers, the Roman empire, the USSR and the Third Reich.

Tiberius

I'm with DL (I think): the EU was designed to protect Europe from totalitarianism but it seems to be failing in that aim.

Jack R

Labour's Brown-Miliband axis will still not listen to the Bitish people on the European Union. No referendum will be granted. (The Conservatives must make a clear, explicit commitment to an EU Referendum in its manifesto, without pressure for a Barroso bureaucrat vote.) Such a commitment will be a vote winner at a General Election.

Labour is more committed to campaigning for Turkey's EU entry (and 75 million Muslims, and what would be the fifth
largest army in the EU) than a Referendum for the British people.

Peter Johnson

the Irish, God bless them, know deceit when they see it!

“Public opinion will be led to adopt, without knowing it, the proposals that we dare not present to them directly… All the earlier proposals will be in the new text but will be hidden and disguised in some way.” - Former French President V.Giscard D’Estaing, who helped to draw up the EU Constitution which the French and Dutch rejected in their 2005 referendums and which is now being implemented through the Lisbon Treaty, Le Monde, 14 June, 2007.

“The difference between the original Constitution and the present Lisbon Treaty is one of approach, rather than content … The proposals in the original constitutional treaty are practically unchanged. They have simply been dispersed through the old treaties in the form of amendments. Why this subtle change? Above all, to head off any threat of referenda by avoiding any form of constitutional vocabulary … But lift the lid and look in the toolbox: all the same innovative and effective tools are there, just as they were carefully crafted by the European Convention.” - V.Giscard D’Estaing, former French President and Chairman of the Convention which drew up the EU Constitution, The Independent, London, 30 October, 2007.

”The most striklng change (between the EU Constitution in its older and newer version) is perhaps that in order to enable some governments to reassure their electorates that the changes will have no constitutional implications, the idea of a new and simpler treaty containing all the provisions governing the Union has now been dropped in favour of a huge series of individual amendments to two existing treaties. Virtual incomprehensibilty has thus replaced simplicity as the key approach to EU reform. As for the changes now proposed to be made to the constitutional treaty, most are presentational changes that have no practical effect. They have simply been designed to enable certain heads of government to sell to their people the idea of ratification by parliamentary action rather than by referendum.” - Dr Garret FitzGerald, former Irish Taoiseach, Irish Times, 30 June, 2007.

“The substance of the constitution is preserved. That is a fact.” - German Chancellor Angela Merkel, speech in the European Parliament, 27 June, 2007.

“The good thing is that all the symbolic elements are gone, and that which really matters - the core - is left.” - Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Danish Prime Minister, Jyllands-Posten, 25 June, 2007.

“The substance of what was agreed in 2004 has been retained. What is gone is the term ‘constitution’ “. - Dermot Ahern, Irish Foreign Minister, Daily Mail Ireland, 25 June, 200.7

“90 per cent of it is still there…These changes haven’t made any dramatic change to the substance of what was agreed back in 2004.” - Irish Taoiseach Bertie Ahern, Irish Independent, 24 June, 2007.

“The good thing about not calling it a Constltution is that no one can ask for a referendum on it.” - Giuliano Amato, speech at London School of Econmics, 21 February, 2007.

“They decided that the document should be unreadable. If it is unreadable, it is not constitutional, that was the sort of perception. Where they got this perception from is a mystery to me. In order to make our citizens happy, to produce a document that they will never understand! But, there is some truth [in it]. Because if this is the kind of document that the IGC will produce, any Prime Minister - imagine the UK Prime Minister - can go to the Commons and say ‘Look, you see, it’s absolutely unreadable, it’s the typical Brussels treaty, nothing new, no need for a referendum.’ Should you succeed in understanding it at first sight there might be some reason for a referendum, because it would mean that there is something new.” - Giuliano Amato, former Italian Prime Minister and Vice-Chairman of the Convention which drew up the EU Constitution, recorded by Open Europe, The Centre for European Reform, London, 12 July. 2007.

“The aim of the Constitutional Treaty was to be more readable; the aim of this treaty is to be unreadable … The Constitution aimed to be clear, whereas this treaty had to be unclear. It is a success.” - Karel de Gucht, Belgian Foreign Minister, Flandreinfo, 23 June, 2007.

"…The proposed draft Constitution does not contain the possibility of restoring individual competencies to the national level as a centralisation brake. Instead, it counts on the same one-way street as before, heading towards ever greater centralisation … Most people have a fundamentally positive attitude to European integration. But at the same time, they have an ever increasing feeling that something is going wrong, that an untransparent, complex, intricate, mammoth institution has evolved, divorced from the factual problems and national traditions, grabbing ever greater competencies and areas of power; that the democratic control mechanisms are failing: in brief, that it cannot go on like this.” - Former German President Roman Herzog and former president of the German Constitutional Court, article on the EU Constitution, Welt Am Sonntag, 14 January, 2007.

CG

If Barroso gets any angrier his wig will fall off

Frank Pulley

Citizens of Eire: please remember that if after you say no, someone tries it one again, then that is defined as attempted rape. So if in the near future some smooth-talking bastard from Brussles sidles up and for the second time pinches your bum, leers and asks "How about it now?" Brace yourself Bridget, kick him in the cojones and scream.

By the way, you know what you become if he offers cash, don't you? Yes! That's right! The same as those DUP floozies Up North.

Pete

Tiberius,

The EU IS totalitarian.

Apply any benchmark of your choice!

It's just being done so slowly that nobody notices. Everybody gets used to the creeping intrusion bit by bit because they are so busy focused on other things.

London Calling

My glass is now empty....

Happy amd merry :)

Ooooohhhh Frankie P, what was in your glass tonight, you had me in stitches and its a Friday night up at casualty.

Jamsie....

Loved your photo of Barroso above, was it intentional?

The hand gestures I mean, what was he measuring? ego or was it personal....

Tee Hee...Nighty Night

Merda taurorum animas conturbit

It's all the voters' fault. Why can't they just not accept that this innocent little constitut..., I mean treaty is just a "tidying up exercise"?

Elizabeth

Brown refuses to put up a candidate against DD on the grounds that DD is pulling a 'stunt'.
As the Lisbon Treaty is legally dead perhaps Cameron should do the same.
Refuse further debate at this time on the grounds that such further activity is nothing but a 'stunt', playing with the corpse of a duck, dead in the water.

Ann

The incompetent, ignorant, useless, unelected PM who sold our gold at less than half-price and was too much of a coward to call an election calls it a 'stunt'? So which is greater: his lies, his cowardice, his ignorance or his stupidity?

David Lindsay

Bless, John.

"My posh school got me into what was once a great universiity, so I must be clever, or at least well-educated."

But you're not. Clearly.

An ideal frontbencher for either party. An ideal Leader of the Lib Dems. But clever, or at least well-educated? 'Fraid not.

Bexleyite

Barroso's just worried about his pension.