Labour pains

Paul B

Its pitiful watching the man, not accepting personal responsibility for the state of the economy in the UK. Its all the fault of outside factors-fuel prices-food prices (driven higher by ridiculous green taxes for a non existent global climate change crises) blah blah blah. " Not my fault guv, I`m totally innocent"

Gordon, you are truly pathetic and the country has rumbled you, for Gods sake go now man.

john problem

Absolutely essential that he goes, says my pal, an MP. Apparently they are organising a delegation of distinguished Labour johnnies to ask nicely, plus a visit from the Unions with their financial advisers in tow, plus a couple of stalking horses, and lastly a mass demonstration in Westminster by lorry drivers, car drivers, taxi drivers and OAPs on buses, to shame him into resigning. All this so that certain members can get their kitchens finished before the dreaded election.

Mike, Brighton

After the Tory conference it will be far too late to remove Brown.
If Labour want to have a chance of salvaging something at the next election they need to move against Brown right now to give the replacement leader (assuming the huge pressure to hold a GE can be resisted) 18months or so to establish himself (it won't be Harperson) as PM.
If they delay then the new PM will have insufficient time before the next election to be distinctive and as it will be a year until the GE the pressure for a snap GE immediately may become irresistable.
Caught between the rock that is Brown refusing to accept the clear truth that he is leading Labour to catastrophe and the hard place that Labour MPs want to either wait in the delusional hope that their polling numbers will improve by the Tory conference (they won't) or are too scared of the consequences of a putsch and are resigned to defeat; Labour is doomed.
Good riddance it's just a shame we have 700 more days of this weak and ineffectual government until June 2010

oldtimer

GB is not so much a Heathcliffe as a 21stC version of Marie Antoinette. For "Let them eat cake!" read "Let them all drive electric cars!".

bank vole

Don't be too sure. It's been "after this" and "after that" for nearly a year now - Boris' election, the Crewe by-election and so on. They will all hang in there until the last minute because they know they will lose their own seats and that is the bottom line for an MP.

David C

The Labour Party cannot afford to wait until the end of the Conservative Party Conference.
The timings of the Conference season mean that Labour would be throwing away their platform for a relaunch and opting for Chaos – a Roman Circus comes to mind.
Alternatively, because they have handed the agenda to the Conservative planners, the decision as to who runs the Labour Party will have passed to Conservative Party Headquarters (who, on these rumours, are probably arranging as anodyne a conference as possible)!

Brown opens his mouth and out comes a fresh disaster. He stalks the World Stage like Frankenstein's Monster. The disconnect between him and the public will continue to grow and harden. At the moment, the Labour Party are more buoyant than their leader but this will change as the public sees that the Party is doing nothing to get rid of him.

If Brown remains in office, Labour will be out of power for two or three terms and while I want Labour to go as quickly as possible, it is important for democracy that there is a capable opposition in parliament – witness the recent debates.

London Calling

Labour Pains indeed...of which hopefully suffering will give birth to a new tomorrow, but until such time Great Britain needs to collect its finest Brains and financial support and put creative Initiative into a think tank resolve.

Whether its Gordon leading the country, David or Tom, Dick or Harry, we are still left with a heap of problems we need to remedy to get Britain back on its feet and we will not achieve that by putting all our efforts into self destruction, which it where we are at present.

I am pleased to hear Gordon has stopped drinking and biting his nails, all he needs to do now is start shaping up his mind and stop crucifying the public with more taxes and ways to get more money out of people, after all, there’s only so much juice you can squeeze out of a lemon before it dries up.

Britain needs independence once more through manufacturing, we need to put to good use the wealth of talent we have, because if we want to give birth to something beautiful rather than a monster, we have to rethink ways in which to do that, and soon.

David Cameron’s speech in East Glasgow was PR Politics, I do not doubt he was sincere about the importance of right and wrong, but if the audience crave chocolate its obvious you’re going to throw Mars Bars at them. Right and wrong has to be set by example, and it should start with himself and his party before he preaches it to the country.

Meanwhile…Lets get the eccentric think tank formed and start doing what we do best in Britain…Think.

A J Scott

oldtimer - right on! But perhaps "let them eat waste"?

London Calling

Labour Pains indeed...of which hopefully suffering will give birth to a new tomorrow, but until such time Great Britain needs to collect its finest Brains and financial support and put creative Initiative into a think tank resolve.

Whether its Gordon leading the country, David or Tom, Dick or Harry, we are still left with a heap of problems we need to remedy to get Britain back on its feet and we will not achieve that by putting all our efforts into self destruction, which it where we are at present.

I am pleased to hear Gordon has stopped drinking and biting his nails, all he needs to do now is start shaping up his mind and stop crucifying the public with more taxes and ways to get more money out of people, after all, there’s only so much juice you can squeeze out of a lemon before it dries up.

Britain needs independence once more through manufacturing, we need to put to good use the wealth of talent we have, because if we want to give birth to something beautiful rather than a monster, we have to rethink ways in which to do that, and soon.

David Cameron’s speech in East Glasgow was PR Politics, I do not doubt he was sincere about the importance of right and wrong, but if the audience crave chocolate its obvious you’re going to throw Mars Bars at them. Right and wrong has to be set by example, and it should start with himself and his party before he preaches it to the country.

Meanwhile…Lets get the eccentric think tank formed and start doing what we do best in Britain…Think.

cuffleyburgers

I assume that when Mr Cameron was talking about poverty being the result of people's poor decisions, he was actually referring to Gordon Brown?

GS London

Perhaps, David C, a balance is better for Democracy. But dare I say that democracy is painfully slow at times and not always in the interests of the people: we now have a democratic but powerless government which is swiftly devolving into farce. A competent majority, of almost dictatorial proportions, may be required to undo the beurocratic mess into which Labour have gotten us. In which case, it is good to have debate within a single party such that key life changing legislation can be passed smoothly, but that which requires more competent consideration is given the time of day.

Consequently, and vaguely digressing from the topic above, it would be in the Tories interests to win a landslide, but also to allow for sane and measured differences within their own tent - I see it as entirely positive that Davis and Cameron (apparently) don't like each other and are on the same side.

John de Finchley

"Brown apparently just thumps the table and urges the MPs to tell their constituents about what Labour has done for them"

I thought Broon was supposed to be smart?

What has the past got to do with anything? What matters is now, and what is happening now is that people are realising how little Labour has done for them and how awful things are about to get.

Familiar Clown

"I'm just like brooding Emily Bronte character Heathcliff."

Yes, he is. "I'm trying to settle how I shall pay (Blair) back. I don't care how long I wait, If I can only do it at last. I hope he will not die before I do."

David C

GS London:
Hence Churchill's comments on Democracy.
But I wouldn't call this Government Democratic - The Labour Party was Democratically elected into Government, but it doesn't have to be Democratic in and of itself.
And the Government is far from powerless otherwise we would not have to endure the sleet of unbelievably bad legislation that they insist on showering us with.
I wasn't calling for any sort of balance, merely observing that a competent opposition offers more chance of legislative review; otherwise we are left with the present situation of a Labour Party that seems to be afraid of its own leadership and is quite unable to rectify the situation.

John

John de Finchley, only gullible hacks ever thought that MacDisaster is smart.

Water

Heathcliff?!

Marian C

Gordon Brown, Heathcliffe, the man is clearly delusional and a real liability to the Labour party as a whole.

However, the longer he stays as PM the better; not for the country of course, but definately for the Conservative party,

Anyway, does anybody think that the Labour party truly has an viable alternative to GB?
Personally I think not; especially after yesterdays lack lustre performance, by that awful woman, Harriet the Harpie, she could be even worse than old Gordo himself (if that is at all possible; she would probably bring back rationing).

GB is such a control freak, that he will never willing give up the reigns of power, or anything else for that matter; unless he is forcibly removed. He (GB) feels he is the only one to be able to save the country (again delusional); it seems to have totally by-passed him that the reason the country is in such a mess is due to him and his ineptitude in the first place.

Carol-Ann

Brown's trouble is he never actually meets voters himself and hears their views. After all he has never had to bother to campaign to be elected as Prime Minister, at least Major went out on his soapbox.

Alexius

I`m not normally vindictive man but , actually I`m enjoying watching Heathclif suffer. He caused this mess, and has spent the last ten years systematically impoverishing me and my family. So watching him twist in the wind is a pleasure.

Tina

Loved Osborne today in the Commons:

'when will Heathcliffe come down from Dithering Heights?'

HAHAHA!

Silent Hunter

Water:

Cathy?!

DM

Alexius - I don't think he is visibly suffering enough...he still believes he has this divine right to rule...and he thinks he knows better than everyone else in understanding the facts.
I won't be happy till he is voted out by his own constituents.

Hippolyta

Start thinking the unthinkable - Gorgeous Gordon may be as good as it's going to get! What exactly is any other leader, or any other government going to do about the debt mountain -both public and private? Not forgetting our lack of productive industry; appalling standards of education which have led to the present political and economic illiteracy and the social chaos which is a consequence of family breakdown? David Cameron may seem to walk on water at the moment, but this is because he has been careful not to profer any solutions to these present and future difficulties.