David Davis to be Tory civil liberties tsar

Craig Strachan

Any job in politics that comes with the title "Tsar" is a non-job.

Craig Strachan

(And the whole notion of Tsardom is just so intimately linked with civil liberties, isn't it?)

TomTom

Hope not. He needs distance from Cameron-Blair

PS. When did a "Tsar" do anything for "liberty" ?

seasurfer1

Civil Liberties will fade into second place as a tectonic economic change will hit our 21st Century life.
Shortly we will be experiencing shortages in many of the basics we take for granted.
Food shortages and queues are not far away, as the Government keeps quiet about the fact that there is only 4 weeks food stocks in the country.
The Supermarkets are seeing the first structural change in shopping patterns as customers fearful of the price of fuel, shop locally and much more lightly.
Civil Liberties will not be at the forefront of the Household, in fact much of the red tape etc will be relaxed in the scramble for essentials.

Nicholas

Good news. This issue needs to be kept alive but isn't "civil liberties tsar" something of a non sequitur?

Daily Politics did their usual hatchet job on DD this morning. Neil's current sidekick finds it difficult to conceal her Left bias and there was a ghastly Guardianista/Greenham Common harpie and some Kelvin MacKenzie clone sticking the knife in. The rest was wall-to-wall "It's All About Labour" damage control.

David

Apostrophe missing. "Tories'"

mike

Well it's as good as anything I suppose, he certainly deserved such a job. Bet he's really chuffed, would this be classed as a promotion does anyone know ?

Verity

Well said Craig Strachan and Tom Tom on the term 'tsar'. What a stupid, illiterate error.

Verity

seasurfer1 - Well at least it will give Labour a chance to get back to its roots and issue ration cards.

Control!

Stuart King

Err, didnt he have the job of overseeing Tory policy on civil liberties when he was shadow home secretary?

Careful Ben

"his big beat status is intact"

Is David Davis the new Fatboy Slim?

TrevorH

The notion of giving him a role connected with civil liberties seems sensible if true.

Why are you intent on putting it in the context of Tory strife though?

C2's ?? are you saying the labour party is full of people who connect with 'C2s ?

Or the LibDems.

I come from a working class background and have voted Tory all my life. Your pigeon holing is pathetic.

Fergus Pickering

Heavens, how amazingly snobbih you sound. You need someone a bit neanderthal to 'connect' with the c2s. David davis's role is, or was, to grunt the grunt, is that it? Shall In tell you who the c2s in their wisdom (which is greater than you think)REALLY like? Maggie Tebbit, oh and going back a bit, Churchill. So, sure they like Davis. But not because he comes from a poor background. They like him because he says what he means and he means what he says. By the way, why do we all say Tsar these days and not Czar? In fact what people SAY is Zar.

TGF UKIP

The only real question is which word DD will place before ".... off Dave!"

And while you are right about the C2 communications gap, James, what makes you think Cameron has the slightest interest in C2s as a voting group?

In any event the most obvious shortcoming on the Tory Front Bench is the absence of anyone credible and authoritative to speak on economic and Treasury matters. An adult conservative would be a radical and welcome change.

Tina

Do you honestly think with all the knife crime and what is going on at the moment people care about civil liberties? Cameron would be better off allowing him to languish on the back benches. Also remove Grieve from the SHS job, he is rubbish.

Elizabeth

An official job to silence him on the back benches from everything other than one issue.
Could the Shameroon be running scared.
Lets hope DD doesn't fall for it.
We need his straight talk on lots of issues.

Verity

"Do you honestly think with all the knife crime and what is going on at the moment people care about civil liberties?"

Yes, Tina, I, for one, do.

The knife crime is the underbelly of civil liberties. They've got too many and they can't be convicted and put away. We need someone to fight to get us out of the foul, communist, state-controlling Human Rights Act. The law abiding should have the civil right of living and going about their business in peace and safety.

It's all tied together, can't you see? It's all part of the totalitarian destabilisation programme.

Fergus Pickering

Tina, I care about civil liberties. I am people, or at least some people. Do you suppose banging up innocet brown people will have any effect upon knife crime. Anyway, what do I care about knife crime in London? I don't live ther. Anyway, the victims are allyoung and I am old. You see, I can be just as selfish and stupid as you.

Nicholas

"Do you honestly think with all the knife crime and what is going on at the moment people care about civil liberties?"

I do and so should others. I'm waiting to see how Herr Braun and his nationalist socialists spin the knife crime hysteria to take away even more of our freedoms.

Tom

Excellent idea, stupid name. Tsars are now linked in my mind not to anyone from Russia but to low rent Labour politicians. Wasn't Keith Vaz a Tsar for something at one point?

JohnA

Or maybe a Tsarevich? ;-)

mike

Fergus Pickering "Tina, I care about civil liberties."
Well all bloggers do Fergy, you silly people have little else to occupy your minds so you pretend. Real folk believe that we have all the freedom we need, it's the price of butter that matters to us. You are the stupid one, and insulting Tina shows you to be not quite what you post.

Elizabeth

mike

'Well all bloggers do Fergy, you silly people have little else to occupy your minds so you pretend. Real folk believe that we have all the freedom we need, it's the price of butter that matters to us. You are the stupid one, and insulting Tina shows you to be not quite what you post.'
Well you all see now how a Hitler, Stalin or Mussolini come to power.
Give the people butter or trains that run on time and some people just roll over and blithely accept a police state.
Mike you scare the hell out of me with your unthinking simplicity. May your butter become rancid when its churned on the freedom of the rest of us.
I hope it chokes you and I am not an unfeeling person.

Ann

I see that Mike has appointed himself to be the spokesman for all 'real people', whatever that utterly silly label is supposed to mean. That tells us all we need to know about him.

Fergus Pickering

I think mike is a lefty intellectual. He is pretending to be stupid because he supposes that is the way to curry favour with the working class (because he thinks they are stupid too). Isn't butter a bit middle class? What about the price of guns?

Ann

There is no 'knife crime hysteria', Nicholas. There is a great deal of knife crime. Try to look at some facts for a change - it may do you good.

TGF UKIP

Careful, folks - "there is a great deal of knife crime" - true and "knife crime hysteria" also exists. But both the crime and the attaching hysteria are largely London and London media centred.

Government policy, media attention and even more Tory policy, is metropolis centred so my guess is we can expect ever more daft and draconian laws rushed through Parliament with Dave and Boris's enthusiastic co-operation which will remove more of the nation's freedoms in response to an overwhelmingly metropolitan and black community problem.

How many of you live in that benighted alien hellhole and how many of us live in the rest of the UK?

Fergus Pickering

Are all these children killed in London? I thought some of them are killed elsewhere? I don't much care for London, but it is not a benighted hellhole. Liverpool and Glasgow are benighted hellholes. And Nottingham and Newcastle aren't really very nice. BITS of London are iffy, but you don't have to go to, or, God save us, live in the bits.