The US, Israel and Iran

Disraeli's Ghost

Only one thing will make Iran give up its quest for a bomb. All the rest is preparation

Elizabeth

So what has Iran exactly done?
Supposedly sent people into Iraq and cause casualities. Yeh - 1,000,000 and still going up - I think not.
Built a nuclear bomb for its protection against Israel and the USA.
I think not. Even if they are trying - they surely have equal rights to Israel and the USA. What makes those two able to threaten the area and no nation having defence.
Voted a huge sum to send agents into the USA to undermine the nation, murder and sabotage. I think not but read Seymour Hersh and find out what is being done to Iran.
Engage in bombings and bloodshed around the globe - based on lies - for the past 60 years. I think not.
The real crime of Iran? Owning lots of oil and now turning the bourse to Euros from Dollars.
Take care - they removed Saddam for that.
I have no time for Mullahs - but if the population is happy - and it appears to be - its not my business nor anyone elses.
PS even their elections look honest compared to ours or to the USA. So much for democracy.

Mike, Brighton

I can't see a way out of this other than the destruction of Iran's nuclear facility. We have been talking to them for years and years to no effect.

Tiberius

I wouldn't know if you keep a loaded gun in your bedroom, Elizabeth, but if you did, because you live in an ucertain world, would you allow a child who threatens to kill one of his schoolfriends a chance to play with it, on the grounds of fairness or equality between the two of you?

Elizabeth

Mike, Tiberius
All hype. What has Iran actually done?
Come on - answer that. Loads of nations now are looking at the option of nuclear weapons. America scares them to death. They have seen North Korea and know what the truth is. One bomb = kid gloves.
Don't waffle on about vague threats and suppositions parroting those being floated by the Israelis and Yanks as an excuse to destroy yet another nation who won't pander to the new world order.
Perhaps a sinking carrier in the persian gulf may restore a bit of peace to the world that is sick and tired of American and Israeli militarism which does nothing more than encourage islamic radicalism.
Take a look at the new laws in the USA against its own population. They read like something out of Stalin's Russia circa 1950.
Good God nothing can be worse than being dragged from your beds, as you can legally be, in the USA, your house searched, you spied on, and if you report it to the police you are in prison.
Come on take a look at the society being created. Millions of Americans have and are talking serious revolt - with very good reason. Read Ron Paul.
What has Iran done? to threaten anyone!! Tell me. Not just so much nonsense AKA WMD and Mass Graves in Kosovo - non existent both. I can very happily live with a few Iranian bombs - I live with Israel and America and possibly Pakistan having enough to destroy the planet.
What has happened to MAD.
The Iranians are not stupid. One small nuclear bomb used and the whole of Iran is fried. They just want to feel safer. And who can blame them looking at Iraq.

Adam

It amazes me how many people, like Elizabeth, hold the primary school inspired view that "We've got nuclear weapons, so why shouldn't Iran have some too"

Warped.

mickeil daabarey

shalom every body
if isreal wants to attak iran its mean isreal wants to destroy it's self ! iran is one of the most poerful nation with euro asaitc ariyan orgin !they are not from the desert arabs ! it's nation structred with scientific socities ! the revolution of iran not an artificial but its vert cultureal as well as scientifical because its reflect socialogy of the time ! moat of the mullahs in iran wisdomfull politicians !they not corrupted by unehtical political of the time !
iranian missiles and the other air defence systems equal to nato standed ! if iran retaliate isreal it will proof the thiory of the jewish wisdomful scientist that "every action has an equal reaction !"
the small hizbullahs are the product of iran we know isreal engulfed by the hand of hizbullah a humiliated defeat !
as a treditional jews of sri lanka i pray decline of isreal should be in a peaceful way not by violent ! its up to zionists ! if they attaked greater persia its mean zionist choosed violent humiliations ! thank i am mickail daabarey a sociologist .

Andrew Ceroni

Elizabeth you are either vastly misinformed or uneducated. Hopefully for your sake you aren't both. What are the crimes of Iran? The crimes of Iran are so many that to write you a list would take so long that during the process, 10 new crimes would be carried out. Lets set US/Israel ties aside, the WORLD has said no to Iran having nuclear enrichment. The UN, the conglomeration of 100's of nations leaders and more have all said no to Iran. Iran has turned its back on the world and flipped us all the bird. Now I'm sure you have such a vast knowledge of the region through your extensive online news reading, but take it from someone that has actually been there time and time again, and dealt with Persians and Arabs on a day to day intelligence basis...all of which you have none. Iran is the worlds leader in support of terrorist and insurgent activity. They support Hezbollah, Mahdi, JAM, Tak-firi, Al Qaeda and several other organizations that are responsible for 90% of the global terrorism today. They send troops, training, weapons and intelligence to the insurgent forces in Iraq. They are developing nuclear technology which the World has told them they are not allowed to have. It doesn't matter if YOU think they should, the fact is that they are not allowed. Your defiance of laws doesn't equate to whats right. They have repeatedly threatened destruction of Israel and the US forces in the region.
The fact is, if we weren't engaged in mulitple engagements in the region, Iran would already be dealt with. There is no need to invade, but with one 12 hour crippling blow the US and Israel has the ability to send Iran back to the stone age. It WILL happen, because Iran's pride will not allow them to back down and Israel is tired of being threatened by Islam. Once Iran is dealt with, the rest of the Islamic problem causers in the middle east will have no foot to stand on. At that point, stability can finally come to a region ravaged from war. make no mistake, Iran is the top dog in the region, however that just makes them the biggest poodle, and they're messing with a full grown canis-panther.

Andrew Ceroni

Also, Elizabeth. Even if they develop nuclear weapons they have no ability to get them to the US. Even if they did, we have enough in space and borders to ensure they'd never get here. The only reason Iran wants nuclear weapons is to once again threaten Israel with them. A nuclear weapon doesn't have a big enough payload to "destroy" Iran. Its apparent you know about as little as possible when it comes to military matters. We have no desire to nuke Iran. We will destroy their military capabilities and nuclear reactors, nothing more. but once that happens, if they retaliate against Tel Aviv or US forces, we'll burn them to the ground. Iran is a worthless nation. Yes, thank you persia for the creation of the ambulance, but what have you done for ANYONE lately? its been about 3000 years since Persia has been useful for anything but violence. Well not any more.

Elizabeth

To all defenders of the Bush/Olmert/Brown Axis of sheer evil (if you ask me).
A load of hot air and supposition is all you have come up with. Abuse and sheer exaggeration of very little.
A mountain out of a small molehill which is where the Iranian Nuke production is.
Nothing of substance because you haven't got anything.
Iran has never invaded another country in living or even unliving memory.
Shall we start with the destruction inflicted on the planet by Israel and the USA.
How many million dead?
How many hundred thousand left homeless?
How many bombed ruthlessly back to stoneage?
Ask the Lebanese, ask the Iraqis, ask the Serbs, ask the Afghans.
Ask quite a lot of others too.
And thats just in the last ten years!
AlQaeda?
Another lot of supposition.
A terrorist organization very conveniently committing so-called terror to enable both Britain and America to clamp down in a draconian way on their own populations.
Far from me to talk conspiracy but I wish one of you could produce a picture for me of a dirty great Boeing sitting in the pentagon.
I sit on the fence and wait for a picture to emerge. But question marks remain and like Ron Paul and millions of others I await for a proper investigation into 9/11, called for, not least, by those who produced the original joke of a report and now say the authorities lied through their teeth.
Al Qaeda. Other than supposedly 9/11 and 7/7 what else?
They have been pretty inactive at the same time Brits and Americans have been more spied on than any Russian.
Why we need a DD!!
So Iran wants to join other nations going down the nuclear path.
What gives you arrogant warmongers the right to say - thy shall not do it and if you do we bomb you next and kill your people
What B...Right?!.
Iran is a sovereign nation and can do exactly as it likes as long as it doesn't invade another state in violation of global peace.
It hasn't.
Did you read Seymour Hersh?
Bet you didn't.
The USA is spending untold infiltrating teams into Iran to commit murder and mayhem
An arrogant and illegal act of war.
By what right do people like you or Brown or Bush or Olmert decide that what is good enough for you is not good enough for Iran.
The only good news is that the Americans and Brits are so darn broke they can't afford to do it.
The dollar will soon be as good as worthless and wait until Oil goes over to the Euro big way. It almost certainly will.
To make all this hype against Iran on the speculation it will eventually make a small nuke and stick it on a glorified Scud and biff it somewhere or another, thereby getting mass retaliation, would be hilarious if not so awful. America and people like those defending it on this thread are more than capable of incinerating half a million based on yet another lie.
Sick! Sick! SICK!
A bit like Saddam hitting Cyprus.
Lies, lies lies, WMD, lies, lies, lies.
If you want to do something to stop islamication of Europe and the spreadimg of the evil Wahhabi doctrine - do something about the Saudis. They are a threat to us, subverting the West.
Dream on!They are the Yanks great friends. And you expect us to take AlQaeda seriously?

Elizabeth

PS
Check this out from the
'Office of the Director of National Intelligence'
USA
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:BB6zyIhLEWIJ:www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf%2BIran%2BNIE&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=30&gl=us
Makes you look cakes, the lot of you.

AC

Lol!! you are exactly the type of nutjob that nobody takes seriously. You can sit in your dark little room and spout about how Iran is not breaking any laws and the US is so evil...here's the long and short of it. You my friend, are a nobody. You will continue to be a nobody until the day you die. You can write a blog or message about how "sick" you are of America and everything to do with it, but at the end of the day America leads the world STILL, even amidst all the crap going on. you think that is going to change? Iran is breaking international law set by the UN. therefore they are in direct violation of world order and peace. America is allowed to have nukes according to international law, Iran is not. Who the hell are YOU to say any differently? you probably run a 7-11 on the corner of some Madrid market. Your grasp of English is atrocious and it hurts my head to read your sentences. Either stop using it or learn more.

The point is that the issue isn't about America. We aren't talking about that. we are talking about Iran, developing nukes, breaking international law, telling the UN that they won't adhere to their laws, threatening to wipe Israel off the planet, and provoking them daily. I have a little suprise for you. ISRAEL is more powerful then Iran militarily. They have the ability to hurt Iran beyond repair withOUT the USA's help. The USA could snuff the entire country of Iran out within a day if we wanted to. So its idiots like you that are going to make it a lot harder for Iran to dig itself out of the huge hole they are in. Make no mistake, If they do not suspend enrichment, they WILL be stopped. You are not a scholar, you are not an expert, AND you have NEVER been there. all you know is what you read or see in the news. And you tell me that what i have is a load of hot air and exaggeration? you idiot ive personally CAPTURED iranians inside of Iraq. recovered weapons that came from Iran to a tak-firi enclave in Nazyriah. Ive been all over Saudi, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Egypt, Afghanistan and Kyrgyzstan. you think you know more than i do? lol all you are is a joke, with not real information, only supposition based on things you've never even seen with your own eyes, only heard about it from a guy who wrote about it after hearing from HIS friend what happened. Iran has their hand in everything illegal in the entire region. We've cut their money off, next is the oil, THEN the straits, and finally if they don't give in, we will bomb their facilities. When they attempt to strike back we'll destroy them. And it will all be because of arrogant morons like yourself that don't know jack Sh**. We have no NEED to put teams into Iran. Sure CIA is there, they are EVERYWHERE though. why would Iran be different? We're not creating havoc or murdering or "attempting" to kidnap lol. are you kidding me? if we really wanted to kidnap that persian half/president we would have. who's going to stop us, republican guard? LOL!!!! right....

Iran is going to die from the inside if they don't listen. There will be NO nukes. and i really don't care if you like that or not, its how its going to be. you can either shut up and accept it or you can sit there and stew. Arabs and Persians have NO say in what goes on, and that will never change, because those idiots have been killing each other since the dawn of time. They can NEVER be trusted.

Elizabeth

AC
'little suprise for you. ISRAEL is more powerful then Iran militarily. They have the ability to hurt Iran beyond repair withOUT the USA's help. The USA could snuff the entire country of Iran out within a day if we wanted to'

Oh Yeh!!
Think you tried that with Lebanon and Hezbollah knocked your socks off.
All your post shows is a total arrogance and complete disrespect for not only international law but for civilized and ordered global civility.
The law of the jungle, back to the bloodshed and the bullying of those who thought they could conquer and enslave.
AC you really do make me sick, and shocked.
If you bother to read the Director of National Intelligence, there ain't no nukes and I note you are so devoid of rational argument you have to start personal abuse.
If Iran is going to die from the inside - let it - but it is just plain illegal to start attacking it and killing its people.
As for Israel frankly its treatment of the Palestinians has changed my views radically over the last five years. Its attack on Lebanon where, I repeat, it was defeated showed the planet that Israel was the middle eastern state without regard for international law or for any people it just decides to kill.
The only weaponry that Israel has that can defeat Iran is if it goes nuclear. Is that the threat you are making? Please tell us. If you can't beat Hezbollah you can't beat the Iranians in any other way.
Is that the threat you are making?
If you are, how ironic. It really shows the terror state that Israel would become if dominated by thinking such as yours. Using Nukes against any other state it choses.
And doesn't it demonstrate so clearly why folk such as the Iranians want some protection from the middle eastern bully.
I may add you will need to take on Russia as well, they have made that clear, and they my friend can still annihilate Israel at a push of the Button.
Is this really what you want? - a third world and nuclear war all because a rather unpleasant but sovereign state - who the very creme de creme of American intelligence tells us is not making nuclear weapons - won't stop making them.
You are quite mad if you ask me.
Irrational, rude and arrogant. Get on your bike mate - your insults just make me realize I have really hit a nerve. Good.

Elizabeth

Just an Afterthought.
This is a conservative blogsite and I am a true conservative.
Excellent articles on the paleo/conservative site 'ANTIWAR' today re Iran.
Phillip Geraldi writes what a true conservative foreign policy is and it may give you gentlemen pause for thought if, indeed, you are conservatives.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/giraldi.php?articleid=13131
And Pat Buchanan - right wing to the last 'G' writes an excellent piece on the latest firing of Iranian Scuds and the doctoring of the photos thereof.
And of course who pays the price. We do - higher oil prices everytime Iran is threatened and retaliates.
http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?
articleid=13134
You can also read today - on the net - very widely - about the Agreement signed between Gazprom and the Iranians. Huge.
If you think Russia is going to watch Iran attacked - particularly by nukes - which is all the Israelis can do without widespread and drastic Iranian counter attack - dream on.
Iran is a nasty place, it cannot produce a bomb, and is none of our business and Giraldi makes that point very well.

Adam Smith

Elizabeth – please take your unintelligible angry babble elsewhere

Elizabeth

Adam
' please take your unintelligible angry babble elsewhere'

Then your intellect is on a par with your rudeness.
Low.
So you resort to censorship now.
Typical. Don't want to know - frightened you may read something to spoil your preconceived ideas.
Unlike the rest of you all my assertions are sourced not wild propaganda suppositions and waffle. Must hurt.

Adam Smith

No - I just dislike reading badly written rants of MiXeD cAsE.

Elizabeth

Then you weren't reading mine.
I presume you do actually read?

Adam Smith

Elizabeth - grow up.

Elizabeth

If to object to the starting of a third world war and/or a destruction of a nation over something the US Director of National Intelligence reports is just not happening is, in your view, 'childish' God knows what you would call adult fare.
How many dead Iranians rate as above infantile?
You should be more accurate in your insults. I like accuracy as you will have noted from my references.

Donna E.

Yikes. Elizabeth is one scary mutha!

Elizabeth, the salient point here is: Iran has threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Israel, on the other hand, is just trying to survive. If you were a Jewish nation surrounded on all sides by Arab nations that wanted nothing more than to see you disappear entirely, forever, for no other reason than they just weren't particularly keen on you, would YOU want them having the capability to bring that about?
The USA does have nukes but hasn't used them in 60 years. We have nukes but aren't about to drop them on people for no other reason than we're just not all that keen on their religion. We got past that stage of our history about 500 years ago. You can bet Iran won't be so restrained.

I suggest you stop blaming America and Israel for islamist nation's ills - it is the islamists who CHOOSE to condone terrorism and violent activities. Saying that the USA and Israel are responsible for the islamist reaction (terrorism) because they do something as simple and reasonable as move to defend themselves is a completely nonsensical arguement.