Immigration nation

Mike

It's getting really bad for NuLab. Previously (remember the 2005 election) if you questioned the uncontrolled immigration taking place you were a) ignoring the vast benefits of this immigration to the tune of £6Bn a year don'tcha know b) a racist.
Well the £6Bn is another Brownie and it is not racist to question how our British culture, social cohesion and public services have been damaged by the vast wave of immigration. We have been lied to yet again by Labour, but this time they are not getting away with it.

Ray

In the Daily Telegraph, Lord Wakeham is reported as warning "If we go on with policies that don't make economic sense (the situation) will get worse. There will be tensions - that is for sure."
Is that a polite way of saying 'Rivers of Blood'?

Nicholas

Jaqui Smith is on YouTube defending the benefits from immigration in a ghastly piece of New Labour theatre.

Recently it seems there is nothing but Labour ministers, MPs and supporters on politics programmes, ridiculously propping up their lies and masking their misdemeanours in doublespeak. Why are opposition spokespeople not being given any opportunity to challenge the charade? Marr is one of the very worst offenders.

Graeme Stewart

Civitas previously produced a report which calculated that the net benefit from immigration was zero. Even that was based on the most generous of terms for immigration.
The US immigration department also produced a report a number of years back which again calculated the net benefit was zero. All the data was there but previous attempts to discuss it was shouted down as racist.
At last this Brownie is being exposed. It's long past the time for a rethink.

Fanny Craddock

The crooks and charlatans known as 'oligarchs' who've entered the UK in order to avoid prosecution for their crimes and are being protected by our corrupt legal system are probably worth £6billion of stolen money. They are usually referred to in the press as immigrants or asylum seekers.

C Powell

What the discussion on immigration also fails to deal with is the cultural aspect. There is - and never has been - any benefit to Britain of having immigration from communities with very different cultural backgrounds, with no understanding of Western values and, in some cases, with a culture which is actively hostile to those values. We are paying the price now with segregated, economically inactive, culturally backward communities in no-go areas. The reason this has not - and is not even now being properly discussed - is that we are too afraid to say that some cultures are superior to others and therefore unwilling to tell immigrants that they have an obligation to integrate into our culture and not simply live here in the same way as they do in their home culture. If this report now helps us to make these obvious points, so much the better. But what we also need are the steps we need to take to limit immigration, not just the numbers but the types of people who are willing to fit into and contribute to our country.

Ted Tedford

A dependency is a vulnerability, not a strength. What will we do in a few decades when the large number of economically-productive migrants on whom we rely decide that, e.g., India, Brazil or China are better places to bring up a family? What will we have to do to bribe them to keep coming? This is already happening in Canada, which is seeing lots of its second- and third-generation Indian community returning to India.

EyeSee

"It's been nice seeing you, it really has. But I think it's time to go now. Thanks for visiting and maybe we can pop over to your place sometime?"

ExPat

@ C Powell

There is no need to say that some cultures are superior to others.

It is enough to point out that some are so different to ours that on balance and when all said and done their presence here is never going to be productive and will in no way make any positive difference to the overall economic and social well-being of the nation.

Harry

If some cultures aren't superior to others, why do so many people head here in their droves?

David Lindsay

Would you believe it? Mass immigration makes the rich richer and the poor poorer, with no net gain to the economy as a whole. You don’t say! (See also this by Phillip Blond in today’s First Post.)

We now have the deliberate importation of a new working class whose members understand no English except commands, know nothing about workers’ rights in this country, can be deported if they step out of line, and (since they have no affinity with any particular part of this country) can be moved around at will, so that the old working class can be told to go hang, taking with it its unions, its minimum wage, its health and safety regulations, and so forth.

In accordance with this new state of affairs, we also have an enforced bilingualism or multilingualism which transfers economic, social, cultural and political power to a bilingual or multilingual elite, so that those who are or will be excluded are or will be the English-speaking working class, black and white.

Far from our having grown richer since 1979, we have in fact grown vastly poorer: only a generation ago, a single manual wage provided the wage-earner, his wife and their several children with a quality of life unimaginable even on two professional salaries today. This impoverishment has been so rapid and so extreme that most people, including almost all politicians and commentators, simply refuse to acknowledge that it has happened. But it has indeed happened. And it is still going on.

The root of the problem is that this country’s sovereignty, liberty, democracy and identity have all been eroded by a very heavy reliance on imported goods, rather than on a domestic manufacturing base; by a very heavy reliance on imports in order to feed her people, instead of maintaining a thriving agricultural sector, itself characteristically a bastion of strong family ties, and therefore also of strong community spirit; and by the ownership and control of much of her agriculture, industry and commerce by persons who are either not her citizens or not resident within her borders for tax purposes.

David Lindsay

Sorry, missed out the Phillip Blond link - http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/?storyID=26488&showcomments=1&success=1

C Powell

@ Expat: we do need to say that some cultures and cultural values are superior. Otherwise how do we deal with so-called cultural practices which we consider barbaric or just backward e.g. FGM, forced marriages, so-called honour killings, lack of education for girls etc. The reason we deplore these things is because we have values with which these are inconsistent and because we believe these values to be better and worth preserving, irrespective of whether in any particular geographic area we are a minority. Western civilization and values, based on the Judaeo-Christian-Hellenic tradition are worth celebrating, preserving and developing and are, to my mind, superior to those on offer in most of the countries from which immigrants come. That is in part why they come. That is why we should stand up for our culture and be unafraid of saying that people from other cultures who are unwilling to adopt Wesern values are not welcome and, indeed, may turn out to be a menace to our societies, as countries such as the UK, Holland and Spain have found out to their cost.

HarryTaxPayer

Some one has to work and pay taxes, so the Treasury can pay benefits to the work shy people in the BNP – or the “Benefits National Party”, as the BNP is known amongst tax-payers. The immigrants are here to work in the vacancies left open by the work-shy underclass, and to pay the taxes that pay the benefits to the work-shy underclass.