The UN's Special Fruitcake

David Lindsay

If the world is a conspiracy, then it is a remarkably unsuccessful conspiracy.

And in this case, the truth is far worse than a mere inside job.

11th September 2001 was indeed the happiest day in the life of George Waterboarding Bush: at last, something that could be used to bring about his otherwise inconceivable second term as President.

And it was also the happiest days in the lives of the neocons whose unwitting, because witless, puppet he was and is: at last, an excuse to take out Iraq, Iran, Syria...

But this was not because of any sort of conspiracy. Rather, it was because, in their own terms, they had suddenly found themselves lucky beyond their wildest dreams.

Yes, it really was, and it really is, as bad as that.

Scipio

The fruitcake looks like a Star Wars character.
Yes it is all a conspiracy by Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, neocons, freemasons, illuminatis, and various members of the Flat Earth Society to destabilize peaceful, gentle, forward looking nations such as Syria, Saddam's Iraq and the mullahocracy in Persia.

Brian O'Connor

David Lindsay: "11th September 2001 was indeed the happiest day in the life of George Waterboarding Bush: at last, something that could be used to bring about his otherwise inconceivable second term as President."

Wow! I didn't know that!

But based on the strength of your personal authority, it must be true!

Thanks for sharing!

Delia

"The guy’s a fruitcake. What does that make the UN?"

A trifle?

Sounder

"What does that make the UN?"

Useless.

Reid of America

David Lindsay says the neocons got lucky on 9/11.

They didn't get lucky on 9/11. Their worldview was proven correct on 9/11. Luck had nothing to do with it. International politics is not a game of chance.

The neocons are correct and the leftist appeasers are wrong. It's about right and wrong not luck.

Stray Dingo

David Lindsay,

I am hoping that you are joking and have not suffered a serious head trauma.

I hope the med's kick in and you are soon on the road to recovery

Ann

Not sure who the fruitcase is. No 'excuse' was needed to 'take out' vile regimes such as Iraq, Iran and Syria. In a sane world, that would happen as matter of course by universal consensus.

Joshua

David Lindsay's comments are utterly despicable and in many ways are merely a reworking of the old anti-Semitic blood libel.

Terry from Oz

"The guy’s a fruitcake. What does that make the UN?"

It makes the U(nited)N(azi) organisation a fruitcake salad. One that is way past its use by date.

David in So Cal

David Lindsay, what a sickening thing to say.

Roy

One wonders if sanity will ever prevail. The world needs a leader who can see the truth speak the truth and turn the world to an opposing spin.

Commondog

David Lindsay

I think, more accurately, that the events of 9/11 had a far more marked effect on those of the opposite side of the fence. Those who rail at the awful (and non-lethal) practice of waterboarding whilst they sit on their hands and say nothing about beheading.

For 9/11 brought to a close, that period of time when they could dismiss as mere prejudice, the calls for action to be taken regarding the rise of the terrorists.

If we had taken this threat more seriously throughout the period before Bush, and we had taken decisive and clearly effective action, instead of sending out the occasional sortie as a token gesture, then those twin tower families would be still complete.

The reason we didn't is because we granted people like you with some integrity and basic real world savvy. We let you harp on about how we 'just need to understand them' and all would be well. Well no longer of course.

Your conceit in approaching this issue in such a cloaked manner is indicative of the secret shame you bear in the knowledge you played your part on that fateful day. You really should have the guts to accept it and take stock of how you can right things instead of such waspish sniping.

Jerome Bassin

Richard Falk has made a career out of making outlandish claims, the UN and falk are natural bedfellows.

field

Lindsay - You are full of agricultural slurry. Where on earth is the evidence that Bush's re-election was inconceivable back in early September 2001? And please don't quote me his party losing a senate seat or two. That happens with all presidents. The truth is he was quite popular. Not outstandingly so, but good enough for a re-election campaign.

Roger Whittaker

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor."

From the PNAC manifesto ("Rebuilding America's Defenses"), written by essentially the same people who came to power with Bush. They certainly got what they wanted, howeever it may have actually been achieved.

Ann

Hear, hear, Common Dog and Reid (and the others). DL's post is sickening and ignorant drivel.

field

He looks like he mows the lawn nude in his sandals - and doesn't care what the neighbours see. I'm sure he doesn't though.

J. Isaacs

Roger Whittaker - are you the same Roger Whittaker who sings of a "New World in the Morning," or are you simply whistling (to use a polite metaphor) in the wind?

david skinner

Just prior to 9/11 in the summer of 2001, the BBC 2, I believe was putting on a series of programmes about how much we owed to Islam. Indeed week after week a picture seemed to be forming that every advance in civilisation, whether it was in the field of science, architecture etc. etc. was due to the thoughts of Mohammed. Certain brave souls protested about this and were immediately shouted down. I am not sure if the Muslim Council of Britain had not called for something even stronger. Then of course we had 9/ 11 which temporarily put a stop to this nonsense but it was only four to five years later, after the dust had settled on the Twin Towers that the MCB gently but forcibly encouraged John Prescott and Charles Clark to push through the Religious Hatred Bill . Though this bill has an amendment in the shape of a freedom of speech clause, it is steadily doing its deadly job, like acid, of getting the British to take away their own freedoms - freedoms that have taken hundreds of years and lives, in Britain. Any subsequent Incitement to Hatred Bills will have come from this Muslim initiative.

Barry Larking

I have read the Falk quotation twice. Is it possible to have this translated into English?

Alex Bensky

C'mon, let's at least hope Falk can clarify things for us.Was it the neoconservatives? The Mossad? An inside job by the Bush administration?

Bin Laden claimed "credit" for it but as I'm sure Falk would tell us, that doesn't disprove him, it only shows that the insidious neoconservative/Mossad/
Bush conspiracy has its tentacles even into Al-Qaeda.

Meanwhile, I used to think it was only right-wing nuts who said, "Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US." Now...the UN is on some valuable land and New York might be able to sell it to someone who can do something constructive with it.

Max

The United Nations Charter refers to peoples united for a better world, being determined to promote social progress, the practice of tolerance and living as good neighbours. All good stuff and a million miles away from the work of the UN's own commissions and special rapporteurs who mouth the words while serving the interests of Realpolitik, prejudice and corruption. Credit where credit's due. At least this Falk has the redeeming grace of insanity.
There's a gross libel published on www.medialine.org "The newly appointed investigator for the United Nations Human Rights Council will not be allowed to enter Israel, according to its Foreign Ministry. Peter Falk, who is due to take up his duties in May, infuriated Israel when he compared its behavior toward Palestinians to Nazi treatment of Jews." Lieutenant Columbo would never perpetrate the same idiocy as his near namesake.

field

That's a very shiny Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer kind of nose isn't it? Has he got a bad cold or is there some other cause of such a scarlet proboscis?

George of Currumbin

It is quite interesting to note that on one hand so many in the Muslim world celebrated the atrocity of 911 by dancing in he streets,(events carefully censored by the MSM around the western world). On the other hand they also indulge in outrageous conspiracy theory for political reasons. The more westerners hold such views, the more Islam is seen as blameless and a wrongfully accused victim.
So every act of terrorism is met by BOTH the claiming of credit and the rejoicing at the exploits of jihadists, and by denial, lies and conspiracy "theory" ,
We've just witnessed this in the inquest regarding Diana, where hosts of western courtiers are only too happy to accept little pouches of gold to propagate these pernicious theories. it is subversion pure and simple.
The effect is to poison the minds of gullible westerners. And with the level of stress brought on by each terror attack and the resultant paranoia. it is a remarkably effective tool as we see it now encroaching on the views of the so called elites of the UN.

Ian G

As has been said elsewhere, and this posting provides irrefutable evidence of the need, it is time for a Union of Free Nations. The Anglo-sphere should get out of the UN and set up a Union of Free Nations acknowledging the rule of law (English Common and Judeo-Christian) etc. etc.

Ann

Don't you know that Bin Laden is actually a Mossad operative whose real name is Mordechai Weiss? I thought everyone knew that.

Stacey

In your last paragraph, you almost imply that all the failings of the UN are unrelated. In fact, all those beliefs tend to be correlated among most people. Why should that be different in the UN? I'd be surprised if there weren't "truthers" in large numbers at the UN, at all ranks.

jordan

lol... UN = League of Nations which = Fail... UN and fail go great together don't they?

David Lodge

Well, Ms. Phillips, one can only conclude that the UN and Mr. Falk richly deserve each other!

J. Isaacs

Come on Roger - I'm gonna leave old "Durham Town" if you don't give us your "Last Farewell," or has "The Whistling Gypsy" already gone over the hill?

field

I'm not happy with the "Anglosphere". There are plenty of democrats in Burma, Zimbabwe, Israel and Brazil - to name a few. The Anglosphere has also in the past overseen some horrible crimes: slavery, the slave trade, oppression of people in colonised countries, denial of democratic rights to people in the colonies and racist legislation.

There is no reason to be Angloist about this! Democracy and freedom, first perfected in Greek-speaking Greece (and what a surprise that coincided with the most marvellous flowering of human knowledge and culture ever seen), belongs to everyone.

Can we please just talk about a World Democratic Union. All we are looking for is a minimum standard of democracy: regular elections to key positions of power; free political speech; a basically free press and media; respect for basic human rights; transparent law making; and honest elections.

Shy Guy

"The guy’s a fruitcake. What does that make the UN?"

Chock full of nuts.

The_blue_and_white_defender

Old "field" seems to have his knickers twisted on this: "Democracy and freedom, first perfected in Greek-speaking Greece (and what a surprise that coincided with the most marvellous flowering of human knowledge and culture ever seen), belongs to everyone."
Unfortunately, in ancient Greece, democracy was for the chosen few & the majority didn't have that luxury.
Nowadays, we call what the ancient Greeks had, apartheid.

Ann

How typical that Field lumps together Israel and Zimbabwe, seeing as how he labours under the delusion that ancient Greece was a 'democracy'.

Verity

Field, you're right about Falk looking as though he mows his lawn naked, in his sandals. That is a perfect mental map of this loon.

You're wrong about the Anglsophere, though. (Britain stopped the slave trade,by the way. The perps were (and still are) Arab slavers who went to Africa and bought human being from their fellows to sell overseas.)

We cannot have a repeat of another UN lump of dough that can be moulded according to the wishes of a majority who do not practice democracy and have active agendas against it.

I'm sorry, but as exclusive as it sounds, the Anglosphere has to be an alliance of countries whose law is Anglo-Saxon Common Law. And of story. Anglo-Saxon Common Law and the English language will see us through the strongest because those allegiances to the law are something we all understand.

There is nothing to stop the EU forming their own hilarious set-up and those democratic Brazilians might want to organise a Hispanosphere. There can be alliances and treaties, which we all know are considered to be in effect as long as both parties wish it.

We can be friendly - indeed we'd want to be - with other right-minded organisations of nations, but it would be an exclusive club in which we all understand each other and we are all playing by exactly the same rules. We'll get plenty of arguments from 1bn contentious Indians, if you think life may be too peaceful.

Mel Reading

I suspect that anyone who dared to criticise Israel's behaviour in the occupied territories would earn Ms Philips description as 'vile' and presumably that would include John Dugard who dared to describe Isreal's behaviour as mirroring apartheid SA. I hope Richard Falk is brave enough and determined enough to withstand the Ms Philips efforts to discredit him and pursues the human right justly deserved by the Palestinians.

George

Human rights for Palestinians, Mel Reading? If you saw Channel 4's 'Inside Hamas' recently you'll know just who denies them human rights: Hamas. There was footage of them beating the daylights out of Palestinians in broad daylight.

Phillip Reece

Let me see if i have this

the all powerful US intelligence agencies pulled off a huge conspiracy involving thousands of people, But all we need to get to the bottom of it is an enquiry.......right?.

David Lindsay, I thought it was the happiest day of the arabs and their deranged commie dupes, at least it looked that way on TV (it was the dancing in the streets that gave it away), and the lefts contempt for the victims.

You commies can support these psycopaths if you want but a time will come when they feel they dont need you and we will see how you get along with them then.

Best of British luck with the unequal relationship because you are going to need it.

Andy Gill

@mel reading.
Melanie didn't have to try very hard to dicredit Falk. All she had to do was quote him. That one paragraph is enough to show the man is quite deluded (and by the way, a dreadful windbag).

Tom Tiler

"The guy’s a fruitcake. What does that make the UN?"

Good point Melanie and to think the legitimacy of the State of Israel is predicated on a UN declaration of all things.

Voltaire

The phenomenon of the Jew hating Jew is not unknown ; Karl Marx was the prototype. This fellow fits in very well in an organisation which has a Ghadaffi prize for human rights and in which Zimbabwe heads the commsion for sustainable development. Another lunatic ihn the asylum.How difficult it is for some people to recognise islamic fascism for the absolute evil it is.

Ann

And Dugard fascism.

Chris Ashton

Falk's important UN appointment is another indication that the wierd has gone mainstream. It's world tuned upside down alright.

Stephen Rothbart

If anyone is really interested to read whether the Palestinians deserve anything, or are reliable partners for Peaqce with Israel, I suggest they read David Rose's article in Vanity Fair's March issue.

Their methods of torture and intimidation against their fellow Palestinians put to shame the complaints against the US and Coalition forces.

The UN is not an organization to be taken seriously anymore.

The day they awarded the Chair of the Human Rights Commission to Libya ended any further hope for the UN to be considered as a serious organization interested in truth and justice.

Edward

The UN that recognized Israel in 1948 and Muslim majority Pakistan, carved out of Hindu majority India in 1947, WAS good up to the mid 1960's when the UN was HIJACKED by Soviet Union enabled despotic regimes and dictatorships that formed a voting bloc in the incongruously named "United Nations Human Rights Committee", electing current day slaver Sudan to that "august" body.

peter watkins

Poor old Israel.

My heart weeps for the hatred it inspires in such gargantuan quantities.

I am sure the appaling conditions it has created in the ghetto formerly known as Gaza has nothing to do with it.

How rude of the UN, Amnesty International, Medecins Sans Frontieres, countless other charities, the Church of England, heaps of human rights campaigners, journalists and others.

They're all anti-semites and there can be no truth in anything they say.

Roger Whittaker

In reply to J Isaacs:

No - I'm not the singer, although I look a bit like him and I have been mistaken for him more than once. With a little Google-ing you can find out more about me if you are interested. But then with a little Google-ing you could find out that the text that I quoted was genuine and written by members of the Bush regime that came to power at the beginning of 2001. So what's this about "whistling in the wind"? Have you got anything to say about the point I raised, or is ad hominem the usual mode of reply in this forum?

Ann

That's it in a nutshell, Peter. They are, and there isn't. And you can add to your list the antisemitic BBC and Oxfam.

Harvey

Peter Watkins

It may have escaped your notice but Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005 leaving behind a thriving agricultural infrastructure in the process.

Hamas have seen fit to use those greenhouses and fields for the launching of thousands of Kassim rockets into Sderot and other nearby towns.

No other country in the world would tolerate so much as one missile let alone the bombardment that Israel has endured for so long .

Naturally your one sided missive chooses to ignore such detail.

I would also point out that Gaza and for that matter the West Bank has never been self sufficient.Indeed Gaza receives almost all its electricity ,oil diesel etc courtesy of Israel and this whilst Hamas makes absolute its rejection of a two state solution and remains intent on the destruction of the soverign state of Israel. How utterly ironic that Israel maintains this heinous artifice which is intent on its destruction .

As for perceived antisemitism ,I suggest you take time to read through the Hamas Charter ,a vile piece of antisemitic diatribe and pseudo religious garbage comparable to the worst efforts of the Nazis.

You mention the appalling conditions in Gaza.

Gaza and the West Bank have received hundreds of millions of pounds over the years . Most of this money has been squandered by corrupt Palestinian officials especially during the Arafat years. The rest of it has been used to wage war on Israel. During that time Israel too has received financial support but has used it to create a thriving economy while at the same time having to divert a large proportion to its own security requirements.

Iwould suggest that next time you contribute to this site or indeed any other serious blog you research your facts and present a more balanced approach-butthat is probably wishful thinking on my part.

GaryL

I suggest a new rule for inclusion in the UN's charter -
"Any representative of a member state which refutes the existence of another member state can not speak on subjects nor vote on issues related to that state."

phil

are we allowed to show a pertinent piece of humour on this site ,if so try this ---

A biker was riding by the zoo, when he saw a little girl leaning into the lion*s cage. Suddenly, the lion grabbed her by the cuff of her jacket and tried to pull her inside to slaughter her, under the eyes of her screaming parents.

The biker jumped off his bike, ran to the cage and hit the lion square on the nose with a powerful punch. Whimpering from the pain the lion jumped back and let go of the girl.

The biker then took her to her terrified parents, who thanked him endlessly.

A reporter saw the whole scene, and addressing the biker, said, *Sir, this was the most gallant and brave thing I saw a man do in my whole life.*

*Why, it was nothing,* said the biker really. The lion was behind bars. I just saw this little kid in danger, and acted as I felt right.*

*I noticed a patch on your jacket,* said the journalist.

*Yeah, I ride with an Israeli motorcycle club,* the biker replied.

*Well, I*ll make sure this won*t go unnoticed. I*m a journalist with the Times, you know, and tomorrow*s papers will have this on the front page.*

The following morning the biker bought the paper to see if it indeed brought out the news of his actions. On the front page was the headline:

*ISRAELI GANG MEMBER ASSAULTS AFRICAN IMMIGRANT AND STEALS HIS
LUNCH.* -----------------------ring any bells anywhere ?

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J. Isaacs

Hi Roger Whittaker. Nice to hear from you. You'd been away so long I thought you'd been on a whistle-stop tour somewhere. I was so sorry to hear you are not the Roger Whittaker because I really like his whistling, but it is good to know you look like him. Could you please post a photo? As for the point you raised, your quote seems to show the neo-cons were more prescient about 9/11 than the CIA at least, since they envisaged the possibility of such a catastrophe happening. Did you? I didn't. Anyway, your quote impressed me so much that I am now saving up to buy a copy of Douglas Murray's book "Neo-Conservatism - Why we need it here."

Frank Pulley

I think we can sum this one up by paraphrasing Sir Richard Mottram in his memorable outburst to Stephen Byers: ""We're all Falked. I'm Falked. You're Falked. The whole world is Falked. The UN is the biggest cock-up ever and we're all completely Falked.