Europe's surrender

Herbert Thornton

Both Melanie's and Bruce Bawer's pieces make especially interesting reading in Canada, because there, both of them - along with the Spectator itself - would undoubtedly be summoned to appear before Human Rights Tribunals to answer charges of encouraging people to have ill-feelings towards Muslims. Indeed that is already happening to Mark Steyn and Macleans Magazine since complaints have been made arising from Mark's book 'America Alone' and from an article in Macleans referring to it..

Indeed the latest soft cover issue of 'America Alone' includes a notice - perhaps tongue in cheek, but again possibly quite serious - that reads "Soon to be banned in Canada".

Rob

I believe a "phobia" is an irrational fear. What exactly is irrational about fearing for our freedoms?

field

I would also like to point the finger at Shariah TV. This went out fairly late on Channel 4 so probably didn't get the attention it deserved.

It would feature a group of Muslims (and some non-Muslims I think) mixed in with Muslim clerics including Quaradawi I think it memory serves.

My objection was that this was a wholly uncritical programme.

The way the "debate" was conducted was always that the cleric was allowed to give their opinion, there might be some follow up questions, but the cleric was ALWAYS given the last word.

There was of course no critical appraisal of the position of non-Muslims, gays and women under Shariah law.

Moreover the whole proposition behind the programme seemed to be that Shariah took precedence over UK national law.

Herbert Thornton - we're not far off that in the UK. Melanie could well be investigated by Police for her comments under existing legislation if one of the Muslim groups decided to lodge a complaint.

London Calling

There are two groups in Islam, the first are the Sheep ( The Good Muslims),and the second are the Goats (The Jihadis), so let us not confuse the two, this post is not an attack against the Sheep, period.

If we allow the Goats to fool us
then we become the fodder, its not paranoia, its what the Goat wants you to think.

Lets grab this one by the horns and get real people, we're surly intelligent as well as being peaceful Sheep, wherever we are?

Human Rights? Don’t make me laugh, we’re on Planet Earth you know, not Pluto...

This is England, within Europe, not Englandistan within Europeistan.

Austin Barry

Our elites remind me of the bullied kids at school. They'd hand over their dinner money, their sweets, their dignity to avoid a kicking, but were kicked anyway. So it goes with the Islamic tide. What a timid bunch of time-serving dimwits govern us.

Shy Guy

London Calling
April 28th, 2008 11:33am:

This is England, within Europe, not Englandistan within Europeistan.

UK: Convert from Islam to Christianity threatened -- police tell him to "stop being a crusader".

Europeistan

The commonly used term is Eurabia.

London Calling

Thank you for your correction Shy Guy, I think we understand each other...

Welcome to Eurabia, fasten your seatbelts its going to be a bumpy ride trying to wake up the sleeper cells. The police should be ashamed of themselves, so should Gordon Brown and our Government.

Euston... I think we have a problem? Disconnect and try again.

D Gray

I watched the programme in question and phoned to complain after it was finished because of the way British people were portrayed compared to muslims.It inter-spread footage of people out on the town having fun {British people} with 'very religious' muslims living life the way they chose to.The comparison was obvious....decadent westerns and pious muslims.I managed to talk to the producer who phoned me back and he was shocked at the number of complaints the programme had.He asked me what I had against muslims and I said I only had a complaint against politically correct bed wetters like him who hates his own society so much he felt the need to run it into the ground.

david s

IN the surrender or submission to Islam, there is no doubt in my mind that the media and the British elites are leading the way. And at the top of the list is the BBC, in its endless honouring of Islam and shaming of Israel.
We have even today begun to accept our own status of dhimmies living within a superior Islamic society.
And the idea that we might avoid our fate by continually bashing Israel is rampant within our society.

Commondog

London Calling.

I'm glad you now understand!
But I find it hard to understand how someone can be so airheaded as you.
You're like a drunk behind the wheel mate. Matters like this and you're making stupid quips.

Get real will you.

Verity

Bruce Bawer is an exceptional writer and I am glad Ms Phillips has introduced him on her pages.

Herbert Thornton, you forgot that the militant Islamics and their limp-wristed enablers in Canada also managed to close down the absolutely wonderful Canadian Standard magazine and all but bankrupted its owner Ezra Levant, bringing frivolous action against him. Needless to say, in a Canadian court, the minute an Muslim complains about anything, the alleged perp is dead in the water.

field

I notice that there is a big difference between how the BBC treats stories of persecution of Christians and other groups. A recent BBC website story is headed rather jauntily
"Indonesians seek salvation in shops". It's actually a story about how Christians are forced to worship in shopping malls early in the morning because they are not allowed to build churches or churches are closed down. Was that clear from the headline? Er - no.

But another story today about persecution of the heretical Ahmyidyya Muslim sect states baldly in the headline that their Mosques are burnt down.

It's a small point but nevertheless a telling one. The story about Christians in Indonesia should have been headlined "Persecuted Christians in Indonesia resort to mall services" or something like that. We don't need the jokey headline.

London Calling

I do apologise for making light of that which is heavy, it must be the Irish blood that runs through my veins, what was it Freud said? oh yes, you cannot penetrate the Irish psyche, so I'll take your comment as a compliment, I was already 'Real'
my friend, I was just teasing you all along, so that you thought I was being educated.

Its called reverse psychology, pretend your stupid, so you discover how stupid others truly are.

Here have a bone....its got your name written all over it...

Titter I will, when it suits me o.k., but if you read between the lines, you might actually learn something?

Herbert Thornton

Verity - Thanks for drawing attention to the joint Islamic-Human Rights Tribunals persecutions of Ezra Levant. It is in fact continuing and increasing as can be seen by Googling his website - ('Ezra Levant'). Mark Steyn's site is worth looking at too.

Among other things, Mr Levant draws attention to a chilling proposal being considered by the Ontario government. It (encouraged I gather by the Ontario "Human Rights" Commission) is considering defining 'hate incident'.

This is their proposed definition -

'hate incident' means any act or omission, whether criminal or not, that expresses bias, prejudice, bigotry or contempt toward a vulnerable or disadvantaged community or its members."

As Mr. Levant notes, with incredulity - 'any act or OMISSION'? It makes me ask - what if somebody expresses a dislike and bystanders hear it but do nothing. Is their omission to report him to the Commission a 'hate incident'? It sounds frighteningly like it. The more you ponder it, the more it resembles Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's account of the procedures that Stalin's Secret Police relied on as excuses to ship people off to the Gulag.