More madness in Londonistan

sean birnie

So if terrorism so obviously pays, why should the rest of us continue being so damned moderate?

Commondog

Well defined.

Far too much emphasis has been put, up to now, on the radical, violent minority within that faith, ignoring the fact that at its less active core, there are tenets inimical to the way of life we have built for ourselves in this country.

The plan to 'build resilience' against extremism is pure sound bite, but then again, that's all Hazel Blears gets to work with day in, day out, poor lass.

It is not the bombers that are the serious agents in the dash for the West; they are merely flamboyant couriers of a message. The real work of the takeover is less visible but very much more powerful.

Gareth

We are governed by people who don't understand religion, who make the lazy assumption that all religions are basically the same, who instinctively cry "racism" when people tell the truth about islam.
Meanwhile, public resentment towards islamic aggresion and the government's appeasement of it is becoming more and more ugly.

Bob Latchford

"The Islam Expert Sam Solomon"

I await your reports from the Jewish expert Muhammad Al-Akhbar

Ed Hummer

I think it is the government that we need to deport. For starters...

YA

Shari’ah, Kaffirs, takffir, Kaffirs, Takkiya, - oh please could you avoid all this hummus?

Just say it as it is - we are pays ransom to terrorists.

Shaun

The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Again.

Part of the problem is that liberalism and pluralism kind of requires that we hold a religion with 1.3bn adherents that, in its principle text, advocates some pretty harsh and illiberal things on sketchy premises, as being as valid as one which doesn't. Which, while intellectually tidy, is clearly b*llocks. For a government that once boasted of its ability to have evidence-based policy making, these clowns take an awful lot on 'faith' (in every sense).

Damien

YA, your comment just proves Melanie's point about lack of understanding of Islam. We need to be very clear that all terrorists do not have the same agenda. the IRA, for example, wanted the British out of Ireland. There was no religious element to their barbarity. The jihadists aspire to much higher goals. They want Islam to dominate the world and extinguish all other religions and democracy. They don't care how many they murder to achieve their goals. The words that you describe as hummous go to the root of what Islam is all about. Could I persuade you to do some research on what the Koran and the hadiths teach? All the 'hummous'is in there and it is as relevant to jihadists today as it was when Mohammad preached it 1400 years ago. This is why they do what they do. And it is why so called 'moderate' muslims do not condemn them utterly. They can't because that would be going against the teachings of Islam. Well done once more, Melanie. I continue to worship you from afar.

Fabio P.Barbieri

Melanie missed the most ridiculous point in Blears' fantastic response. Namely: Muslims get more money because Muslims kill people. You see, the rest of us should imitate the Northern Ireland sectarians - then boy, would we get noticed in a hurry!

Darren

My goodness...might have sporting of Labour to lay out these plans before the previous election. Now all their cards are showing, it will be interesting to see the bankrolling of Islam by UK taxpayers resonates with the public at the next election (notwithstanding that its racist to question the policy!).

canon alberic

Melanie, not that Im anxious to draw attention to what your detractors foolishly regard as your obssesions, but when and how is the BBC going to cover the speech made today by Ambassador Prossor? What he says should shock our conscience, and even provoke vehement disagreement, given that and who he is it will be quite a test to see if Auntie regards it as newsworthy compared to meaningless/dangerous government initiatives like this or Manchesters theoretical congestion zone which was leading on the Radio this very evening.
On a blog/personal-note I cant imagine you necessarily enjoy your richly merited popularity but Im sure you'll continue to make good use of it.

Norm, UK

Hazel Blears is typical of Labour today. They have no idea what to do next. In a country of 60 million with a population of less that 2 million muslims why oh why do we pander to them. They must toe our line not the other way round. If not then they should be expelled to Saudi where they can live in bliss.

verity

Darren writes: "(notwithstanding that its racist to question the policy!)."

Again, one asks in vain, when did Islam become a race? I thought the Somalis and the Pakistanis were different races. I thought the Arabs were yet a different race again.

Now we have read for the last few years statements by the vast empty chamber going by the name of Trevor Phillips that a belief system is a "race".

To hell with genetics! Trevor and the rage thugs don't believe in genetics! Islam, which one is free to leave (if one is brave enough) at any time, has suddenly become genetic!

I loathe this intentional degradation of our language. A race is a genetic reality. You are born with these particular genes. They cannot be altered. You are what you were when you popped out into the world. No one is responsible for how they popped out of their mother and into the world.

This is exactly the reason that racism is so absurd.

This is manipulation by the deeply ignorant. Or the monstrously calculating. Either way, it should be seen for what it is. Thought control.

Jon_Boy

We are all currently expected to passively comply to all Islamic demands in an attempt to placate them.

If this course of action turns out to be futile, as I think it will and we are all forced to fight from an even weaker position later then can we agree that all those who support the current consensus be forced to be the first on the front line when we have no choice but to fight later?

Also can those same persons be forced to sign some kind of legal document which states that they and their imediate relatives can not seek sanctuary in another country (God forbid it be their hated USA).

I think it only fair that the rats should not be let off the ship when things start going seriously pear shaped.

enew

“In a very few years, perhaps in a very few months, we shall be confronted with demands with which we shall no doubt be invited to comply. Those demands may affect the surrender of territory or the surrender of liberty. I foresee and foretell that the policy of submission will carry with it restrictions upon the freedom of speech and debate in Parliament, on public platforms, and discussions in the press, for it will be said--indeed, I hear it said sometimes now - that we cannot allow the Nazi system of dictatorship to be criticized by ordinary, common English politicians. Then, with a press under control, in part direct but more potently indirect, with every organ of public opinion doped and chloroformed into acquiescence, we shall be conducted along further stages of our journey.” -- Winston Churchill

Ian G

I was an RE teacher in Birmingham. I had to teach all faiths. I tried to use each faith's account of itself, wherever possible. After teaching Islam to Muslims, using 'moderate' Islamic materials, I came, reluctantly, to the conclusion that war was inevitable. nothing I have seen since has dissuaded me.

Materials used: 'Islam, its beliefs and teachings' by Ghulam Sarwar - Muslim Educational Trust. Plus assorted, and reasonably wide-ranging, free material supplied by The Islam Propagation Centre in Small Heath, Birmingham.

The sad thing is that on a personal basis I find Muslims to be lovely people, it's the ramifications of their faith that are so disturbing.

Rob

Nail hit firmly on head...Well done Melanie. Unfortunately articles like this, and most of the comments will shortly get us all arrested if the new EU Arrest Law comes into effect next year

Sharon

Congratulations Melanie. I hope you find some ears at Westminster who will listen and if not at least start to become educated in this subject.

Ken

It would be interesting to know who in Hazbeen Blear's entourage speaks/reads any of the languages of the Islamic states; how much of the material published in these languages by mosques, madrassas and Islamic communities in the UK has been read and/or translated by her department; and finally what risk assessments her government's health and safety fanatics have made of said materials? If they can ban children's playslides and dustmen's teddy bears surely they should be concerned also to troll through (inflammatory?) tracts? After all exactly whose health and safety should they be focused on?

Pistachio

Hazel - nuts about Islam.

YA at 7.51 pm - nice comment about hummus which sums up the confusion bedevilling the Government's dhimmitude.

S. Harvey

I think reform of Islam is impossible. However, in the interests of neighbourly relations some Muslims might consider changing the wording of part of their daily prayers. For example, is it really necessary for all of them to invoke divine punishment on infidels five times a day? Jews have been chipping away at the wording of Catholic Good Friday prayers, with some success. Maybe Muslim daily prayers are a similar area where relations can be improved.

Marwan

The message is clear. If christians want to be treated with respect in the UK, they need to concoct vile conspiracies to blow up innocent civilians. If hindus want to save the life of one or two sacred bulls, start bulk buying the peroxide and fertiliser. Socialists are always entranced by the gory "glamour" of a bit of armed struggle, so come on Cliff Richard, get those calor gas cylinders loaded onto your SUV and earn some respect.

Paul Weston

Bob Latchford made the following comment:

"The Islam Expert Sam Solomon...
I await your reports from the Jewish expert Muhammad Al-Akhbar."

Mr Latchford should be made aware that Sam Solomon is not his real name, he changed it because he is an Arab and an apostate, so has countless very real death threats against him.

In addition, Mr Solomon was once active in the recruitment of Jihadists and knows the Koran inside out IN ARABIC.

He converted to Christianity Mr Latchford, hence his alias.

When you sneer in the future, I suggest you do so from a position of knowledge otherwise you will continue run the risk of appearing foolish, to say the very least.

London Calling

Out of the two million Muslims living here in the UK, the majority of which are moderate and only a small percent considered extreme, I wonder what benefits the majority of moderate Muslims gain from the comments covered in this post in practical terms if Islam is so favoured, but of course we dont know, but I would guess the answer would be hardly any.

The government doesn’t favour anyone really, and if it they do
come up with ideas and throw money at ridiculous projects in an attempt to stem extremist views within Islam, we have all heard it before and know its money thrown to the wind.

As report in The Jerusalem Post, there is currently a reformation
of Islam being conducted by the Turkish Government of which 85
theology professors in Turkey are preparing, for which they consider it an important step for carrying the universal message of the Prophet of Islam to the 21st century.
I do not doubt they will have face their own demons and critics and the possible backlash from extremists may prove fatal, however I see it as a positive step forward which could set an example across the Islamic faith in which to move forward.

Turkeys Reformation:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1211288138020&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Logdon

Hazel Blears never 'got it', she is a cypher cardboard cut out apology for a Government Minister who even lies on Question Time when she knows she'll get the cheap, kneejerk applause and that the subsequent rebuttal will be lost. Her thinking intelligence is zero and she is a classic learn by rote New Labour machine politician who's desire is to stay in power no matter what. She will not upset Muslims by facing the truth because of the block vote. And there's the rub. When two Christians in Alum Rock are abused by a Muslim PCSO not one Labour politician would stand up for our core values because they know that their Islamic franchise will be lost. Muslims may only count for around 3 of our 60 million population but they lobby these Labourites like crazy who then capitulate. 42 days detention is a symbolic fig leaf. We need to tackle the whole ethos of islamic expansion and shariah creep in Britain. Terror is a tiny part of their arsenal. Labour politicians who are cowed and are cowards only collude. The big question is what will Cameron do?

Ann

"The Islam Expert Sam Solomon"

"I await your reports from the Jewish expert Muhammad Al-Akhbar"

The usual ignorant racism from Latchford.

Dee Ranged

Westminister - Why don't you listen?

Ann

Logdon, you are far too kind to her.
Most of the government, in fact most of all the governments since 1997, have been made up of cypher cardboard cutouts with zero intelligence, who think nothing of lying. Witness the complete lack of embarrassment when they are caught telling the most horrendous fibs. All this is regularly played down by Al Beeb, including allowing them to get away with lies on QT and Toady etc, which is why the majority of Brits still let them get away with it.

GNO

Without muslim support, this "rob the poor - pay the rich" government is doomed!

Vote Labour get Sharia!

GNO

@ Bob Latchford

Who says you have to be a Muslim to be an expert on Islam, if that is indeed your point!

TomTom

Hazel Blears is a typical local government solicitor, exceedingly ignorant of the realities of the world. She is smug, complacent, middle-brow, and typical of the government machine which is pursuing exactly those communal politics approaches that Enoch Powell feared, buying off each faction with favours like a Tammany Hall operator.

Blears takes too much for-granted, assuming a coherent and monolithic mainstream society which can safely be ignored in favour of fringe groups oblivious to the fact that mainstream society fragmented long ago and now feeling like beleagured minorities

The problem is that Labour has tunnel vision and is more concerned with bolstering their own ethnic voting blocs - look at how many seats are in Bolton, Oldham, Salford etc.....and that it is stuck with Mandelson's segmented approach to elections - rather than to the national interest or national identity.

Nik

Melanie, I don't always agree with what you write but you are usually clear, to the point and thought-provoking. However, I can't say that this blog comes up to your normal high standard.

You start off by saying that to spend money on promoting/supporting moderate Islam is to sideline the founding faith of the UK. Then you say that counter-radicalising Islam in Britian fails to recognise that it is Islam that is the problem, not whether there are moderate adherants as well as extremists. However, you then acknowledge that there are in fact moderate Muslims whose views are compatable with living in a society like ours but dismiss these as only 'cultural' rather than 'regilious' Muslims. You end up by saying that the real problem is that the government is unable to tell the difference between a moderate and a radical Muslim; implying that the programme might work if they could.

So what exactly are you against?

Sam

Melanie, not that Im anxious to draw attention to what your detractors foolishly regard as your obssesions, but when and how is the BBC going to cover the speech made today by Ambassador Prossor? What he says should shock our conscience, and even provoke vehement disagreement, given that and who he is it will be quite a test to see if Auntie regards it as newsworthy compared to I can tell you what Auntie thinks. They have obliterated out of existence a discussion about Ron Prosors speech

Hannah

Hazel Blears’ warped mindset around privileging Islam over Christianity found the most perfect echo on Newsnight last night (9 June) during a quite extraordinary interview between Emily Maitlis and the Archbishop of Canterbury.

The interview is headlined on the BBC’s website as “Williams’ worry over children” and to some extent covered how children know the difference between right and wrong.

But then, in the midst of it all, Maitlis had the cheek to yoke this in out of nowhere (I’m quoting verbatim and you can watch it on the BBC iplayer at 6mins 30 secs into the interview):

“You see, isn’t the problem that there is a religion in this country that sets strict boundaries, has a rigorous moral code, is unswerving, knows its mind and that religion is Islam. And the Church of England has kow-towed to the tolerances of the time – or the trends of the time – and in doing so has lost its authority.”

Come again, Emily. Would that be the religion that the BBC puts entirely above criticism?

Would that be the religion that instils fear in people by demanding death to apostates?

Would that be the religion that the BBC made a propaganda film about earlier this year in part of its “white season” in which a British non-Muslim discovers how Islam makes everything in her life wonderful? The sort of propaganda film that you would never see the BBC make about any other sort of religion – least of all Christianity?

Christianity is under constant, unrelenting attack by the BBC and yet it allows a presenter to ask a question likes this of a Christian cleric when it knows it would never – ever – allow the kind of endless cross-examination it allows of Christianity to ever be aimed at Islam.

We’re paying for bias towards Islam in our taxes and in our TV licence.

James

Yes, Bob Latchford, I suppose you can't understand Nazism unless you were in the Nazi party.

Ludicrous as it is, this defence is being trotted out by all those who try to explain why it's OK to aim all normal levels of skepticism at Christianity, America and the West but who suddenly drop all that when it comes to Islam.

To show the depth of the cultural rout, here is the highly unfunny "comedian" Stewart Lee (co-writer of Jerry Springer – the [let's have a laugh at Christians] Opera (Mr Lee says on his myspace page that he is an atheist) explaining why people really aren't on firm ground to make jokes about Islam unless they're Islamic:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/stewart-lee-noises-off-805254.html

We're all expected to kow-tow to Islam as we do to no other religion yet we can't take the mick out of it. How convenient.

Mr Lee, incidentally likes to make an awful lot of jokes about Americans - as his opera demonstrates - but he isn't one himself. And can you guess which broadcaster has just signed him up for a new "comedy" series?

Poor old Adolf. All he had to do was say: "You don't understand my culture, innit?" and he'd have ruled the world.

Joe Strummer

Damien - What utter bilge to suggest there was no religious element to the IRA's barbarism.

The IRA were / are a nakedly sectarian murder gang whose countless acts of deliberate mass murder against Ulster and Irish Protestants are sickening.

Detonating 1000 pound bombs in Protestant housing estates, and cowardly targeting innocent Protestants living in lonely and remote border areas for execution and other grisly Protestant deaths at the hands of these bigots were not an accident either.

The painted murals of IRA terrorists in Sinn Fein dominated areas of Ulster are also dripping with Roman Catholic iconography.

Martyrdom, rosary beads, crucifixes are the constant theme on these murals on street walls glorifying IRA Roman Catholic terrorism.

These genocidal IRA maniacs,of course, were more than regular attendees of Sunday Mass and Confession.

No religious element,indeed.!

jose garcia

GARETH SAID
We are governed by people who don't understand religion, who make the lazy assumption that all religions are basically the same, who instinctively cry "racism" when people tell the truth about islam.
Meanwhile, public resentment towards islamic aggresion and the government's appeasement of it is becoming more and more ugly.

actually i dont think they are so stupid that they cant see the risks, however labour lives and rules to be in power only.....
today,

1.5million appeased muslims is 1.5million votes for labour.
so far they have hoped to do this covertly by lying to the general population about the risks of islam, it is getting more and more difficult and people are waking up

Bruce Stevens

I thank God for the sanity and insight that Melanie Phillips continues to bring to this and similar issues. But sadly and despairingly I ask, does anybody in government listen? people like Hazel Blears go from elected MP to Under Secretary for 'flim flam' to Communities Secretary and become an immediate expert on Islam. Just what is with these people? Are they truly thick?

Dave

The BBC has become the propaganda arm of Islam. All you arch liberals and PC left wingers at the BBC - how long do you thnk you and the BBC would last if Islam held power in this country? You who love to knock Christianity the foundation and heritage of this nation.

James

Yes, Bob Latchford, I suppose you can't understand socialism unless you’re a socialist – even though you might be expected to live according to its rules?

Ludicrous as it is, this defence is being trotted out by all those who try to explain why it's OK to aim all normal levels of skepticism at Christianity, America and the West and so on but who suddenly drop all that when it comes to Islam.

To show the depth of the cultural rout, here is the highly unfunny "comedian" Stewart Lee (co-writer of Jerry Springer – the [let's have a laugh at Christians] Opera (Mr Lee says on his myspace page that he is an atheist) explaining why people really aren't on firm ground to make jokes about Islam unless they're Islamic:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/stewart-lee-noises-off-805254.html

Mr Lee, incidentally likes to make an awful lot of jokes about Americans - as his opera demonstrates - but he isn't one himself. And can you guess which broadcaster has just signed him up for a new "comedy" series?

TIna

I watched that Emily Maitlis interview with my jaw in my lap.

It was like watching a school bully kick a classmate from pillar to post until it was winded and bleeding and then picking up the victim and saying: “Look at you, you’re so much weaker and pathetic - unlike my friend over there”, whom of course, they wouldn’t dare lay a finger on.

The scale of this propaganda is now Orwellian and Britain is one of the most dangerous countries outside the Middle East for cultural brainwashing.

How are they allowed to get away with it? And how does Emily Maitlis sleep at night?

sean birnie

Verity.

The answer to the question "when did Islam become a race?" is easy. Islam became a race when the left realised that it could not be defended on an ideological basis.

YA

Londonistan in the sky, or oriental symbolism in service of civil aviation.

Literal transription of some of Qatar Airways Sky commercials:

"Now flying to NY and Wasington DC. Qatar Airways. Your 5 stars airline."

"Tonight we will see some strong Arabica coffee, brewing over the Middle East. The Weather, Sponsored by Qatar Airways."

"Today we see strong clouds, gathering over Swiss Alps.
Settled later."

"This morning over Ho Chi Ming City we’ll wake with severe marmalade. Spreading from the west."

"This morning over the Himalayas, warm sunlight will roll away the early covering of crisp white cotton."

"This afternoon over the Pyrenees we are expecting a torrent of earl grey tea.
Lifting Later."

Now, the bonus ball.

UAE's aviation company is named "ETIHAD".
Sounds a bit familiar, eh?
That is not all, still.
In Arabic it means.. "United". Company was founded in 2005.

Branston

Not so fast YA [9 June, 7:51pm] and others. You are too hasty in dismissing the Arabic-Word-Saladin (not to be confused with Compost-Bin-Ladin, though admittedly both fanatical Sunni leaders). It is precisely because Western governments do not employ people to analyse these terms, due in part to their kowtowing to the liberal left's pick-and-mix sado-marxo, derrido-saido salad with lashings of Christian guilt, leavened by a light, yet persistent, drizzle of attention deficit disorder, that we are in the pickle that we're in.

Anyway let the lefties eat their salad and choke on it too! Meanwhile the rest of us should consult the manuals of Islamic jurisprudence.

For example: the three models of Islamic conquest.

a) sulhan: peaceful surrender. We will more of this if shabby dinner jacket gets his toys.

b) jabran: conquest by the sword.

c) mudara: systematic deception prior to conquest. This allows Muslims to tool up during periods of hudna (truce) - when the time is propitious for jihad the truce is cancelled, etc.

I say mudara, you say peace.

Headless chicken

A notable piece for two reasons.

First, because MP is quite explicit that the problem is not just what some muslims do, but with Islam itself and with all muslims (except perhaps some who don't take their religion very seriously).

Secondly, because MP clearly has no truck at all with what might be called softer responses to what I suppose she might call the Islam problem.

Which raises the question, I think, or ought to raise the question, what (presumably harsher) measures she favours instead?

Unfortunately she tends to be not very explicit about what she wants; she makes many of her points by slamming others. But it often seems that many of her comments have a trajectory. It's a trajectory that begins with overblown rhetoric and demonisation.

Quite where it will end we don't know yet. But demonisation, as European Jews and others have found, tends to lead to victimisation, and ought to be cause for concern.

One assumes, or at least hopes, that making muslims wear green crescents (or pink triangles or yellow stars for that matter) is off the agenda. Likewise forcing them into ghettos, where they could be monitored and controlled Warsaw style.

But some posters here (Ed Hummer above and others in the past) appear to favour mass explusions.

And if you buy into her world view, there's a kind of perverted logic to this. Because if muslims really are as bad and dangerous as MP says, what other response could possibly save us?

There's also a kind of emotional logic to it; there's such a loathing around here, that it seems difficult to imagine anything other than the harshest of measures could possibly assuage or satisfy it.

And that's really rather frightening in my view.

Whilst I don't follow her regularly this piece seems to make explicit things which previously have been only implicit, and in so doing it seems to me we see a little more of that trajectory and where it may be heading.

Dr. Irene Lancaster FRSA

I think that Hazel Blears is out of her depths here. She is MP for Salford and I wrote to her as my MP. The letter was positive and concerned the police and their admirable community work, in conjunction with the Community Security Trust, in working to keep members of the Jewish community safe from attack from ....

I think that she thought my letter a criticism and answered - very defensively - in kind. She also refused to meet me, a constituent.

On Islam she is also wrong - very wrong. The fact that the left-wing pro Rowan Bishop Stephen Lowe has actually come around to the way of thinking expressed in the commissioned document speaks volumes.

Hazel Blears should take the document very seriously indeed, as it speaks the truth. This country is pandering to extremism, which won't help it in the end. And sidelining the Church of England will also not help it - not at all.

J. Isaacs

Branston - I do admire your pickle recipe. Would that the TV moguls could give you a political cookery programme to replace one of those TV cooks like Gordon Ramsay and Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall, who have now taken to the Islamic-style practice of slaughtering their meat and skinning it themselves(on camera) before cooking it. We should, of course, all buy attention deficit disorder drizzlers to add to our condiment sets.

Commondog

Headless Chicken.

The six bullet points which end the article are concrete, explicit and reasonable. And nowhere in them is there any mention of expulsions, green crescents worn on clothing etc.

What 'trajectory'?

sebastian

OK - second attempt. Hazel Blears has rewarded a "community" that's distinguished itself with a number of deeds and a whole lot more dispositions and sentiments bordering on the treasonable, in my view. Separatism; acts of gross violence; honour killings; forced marriages; naked hatred of the UK; an ambition to replace Britain's ancient and well tested heritage and laws with something sinister else..............and so it goes on. And so the taxpayer's money goes on to this "community" too. It's beginning to sound like ransom payments, but dressed up as something proper. How flawed!
Christians then, this Government's response implies, should do likewise: "Act accordingly and we, the Government, will bow to your bellicose, outrageous demands and cough up. We will appease you, but we'll call it by another name: 'common sense' sounds good. We'll notice you, indulge you, turn a blind eye to your routine outrage and preposterous special pleadings and call it 'reaching out to the community'."
This is utterly twisted. The loyal and responsible - but increasingly dismayed - majority are in the upside-down position of funding a Government apparently dedicated to a minority: a hostile one that seeks to destroy us.
Bad enough; but worse if you believe that anything Ms Blears might dream up in her most hallucigenic and topsy-turvey moments will counter or reverse years of islamist persuasion by book and scholar setting forth, reciting and explaining "holy" writ to the susceptible.
The creed Ms Blears is naively toying with already has a grip on many minds and is intrinsically unsympathetic (putting it mildly) to all that Government Ministers have a duty to uphold and defend. The answer, in my view, is to face up to it. Expose it for what it is. Not hard for most of us to do since there's much to expose. But too hard, it seems, for a rather shallow Jill-in-Office looking for a soft option.
My remaining hope, however, is that Christians never adopt the Government remunerated behaviours of certain other "believers". That they never whinge, complain, find fault with almost everything and scheme bomb plots against us, but express their justified anger through the ballot box instead.