Oliver Kamm has a post on the legacy of Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood speech that so exactly reflects my own views that it's almost uncanny. Oliver's premise is surely right:
Powell was the most destructive British political figure of my lifetime. His speech was a nice instance of incitement masquerading as prophecy.I heard Powell in the flesh only once, when I was an undergraduate. He gave a talk to the Oxford University Conservative Association. I was eager to hear him, being an OUCA member at the time. So many people spoke and wrote of him and his intellect in revered tones that I relished hearing him.
It was, however, a deeply depressing experience. I vividly recall my two reactions. First, it soon became clear to me that there was no penetrating logic and no great intellect at work, merely prejudices and gut instincts dressed up in severe syntax to give the appearance of deep thought.
That was bad enough. What really got to me was an experiment I tried at the meeting. I wondered how I would react if it was not Powell but John Tyndall (the then leader of the National Front) speaking. And the shocking conclusion I drew was that Powell's words would have been what I would expect to hear from Tyndall.
Oliver makes this especially important point (referring to an excellent documentary on BBC2 on Saturday which I also saw):
Not all of Powell's critics grasped the point of what was wrong with his interventions. Powell maintained in his speech that "to imagine that such a thing [integration] enters the heads of a great and growing majority of immigrants and their descendants is a ludicrous misconception, and a dangerous one". Yet (to take the obvious example, which last night's documentary dwelt on) the suicide terrorists of 7/7 were turned to their horrific acts. They killed because they had adopted a fanatical ideology remote from their own upbringing and family traditions. The proper response to racial demagoguery ought not to have been, and isn't now, a version of multiculturalism that "confuses political equality with cultural identity". (That apt formulation comes from the writer Kenan Malik, who took part in last night's documentary.) It is rather to stress that, while we may belong to ethnic or religious groups, our only civic identity is a shared and equal citizenship under the rule of law.This, of course, is the crux of the problems we face today. The divide that matters in Britain today is between an ideology of religious fascism and the rule of secular law.One of the most interesting features of last night's programme was a comment by the leading human rights lawyer Lord Lester....Lord Lester said this about his old friend [Roy Jenkins]. Towards the end of his life, Jenkins had said to Lester that in the charged debates about integration and assimilation, he (Jenkins) had not perceived the necessity of volubly defending the principle of a secular society. This seems to me exactly right. The problem we have now is not the one predicted by Powellite demagoguery. It is that liberals have taken their own principles for granted, rather than asserting them as a common set of civic values that supersede every other attachment.
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Lee Jakeman
March 10th, 2008 9:53amI think you've lost it altogether. By demonising Powell, you're just distracting attention away from the malign influence of the left, which has done twenty times more damage to this country.
London Calling
March 10th, 2008 11:08amI watched the above documentary 'Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood speech' and was in no doubt that Enoch knew it was a suicide speech for a man who knew his political ship had sunk, his true rhetoric being the flagship for the BNP. The Rivers of blood speech did however resonate with the 'White British' at that time and understandably so, for it did feel like an invasion on their culture and communities and Enoch knew he could whip up a storm that was already brewing in community's across Britain. Today we must ask, has multiculturalism worked in cohesion with tolerant Britain or has she sold herself down the river and pillaged her soul for all to abuse? as stated on the documentary 'The word on the street is that white Britain's are leaving' the second being from what I have heard is 'The last one out,turn off the lights'. So although I and many others want to believe that Multicultural Britain can work and in some places is working, the overall picture since 7/7 is that it is not and many peoples from all cultural backgrounds do not feel part of a cohesive multicultural Britain, as in its place is difference,lack of tolerance and great division. It was also as stated on the documentry 'people don't like the truth,as it scares them' and I am in agreement that if we are to confront the challenges Britain faces today, we must face our fears first and be honest without the fear of being branded a racist.
Water
March 10th, 2008 3:20pmCaucasian Britain’s are not the only Britain’s leaving the country. Whether it is readily admitted or not Britain’s, Caucasian or otherwise, are Britain’s alike to think otherwise would indeed be racist. With this in mind indeed the left wing is doing damage but the right is by no means right, to say the very least. As for how to resolve these matters I wish by no means to sell short my intellectual property.
Water
March 10th, 2008 3:55pmMy last comment is of course alluding to the other comments and not the article by Pollard.
David
March 10th, 2008 4:24pm"The problem we have now is not the one predicted by Powellite demagoguery. It is that liberals have taken their own principles for granted, rather than asserting them as a common set of civic values that supersede every other attachment. " But that is what Powell predicted - that we'd ignore the challenges to our society caused by intense levels of immigration, leading to "The divide that matters in Britain today is between an ideology of religious fascism and the rule of secular law." You agree with Powell, basically.
Dhimmier&Dhimmierer
March 10th, 2008 4:47pmStephen obviously doesn't believe in democracy. Or logic. Powell had the support of the majority. If Stephen doesn't think the majority should have had its way, he rejects democracy. If Stephen thinks the majority were malign to support Powell, he should have opposed mass immigration on the ground that their malignity presented a great threat to the immigrants. Otherwise he rejects logic. "The divide that matters in Britain today is between an ideology of religious fascism and the rule of secular law." The divide exists because of mass immigration and continues to grow because of mass immigration. The more Muslims there are in the country, the more they will go their own way and the more confident they will be in asserting themselves against the rest of society. It's not rocket science: it's common sense.
Water
March 10th, 2008 5:25pmBasically but not outrightly.
Water
March 10th, 2008 6:04pmFirstly, my humble apologies for the error on the second to last comment of mine, ‘Britons’ not ‘Britain’s’ sleep deprivation is a ghastly thing. Secondly, Logic and reason have their places this is irrefutable, but we must always acknowledge that they are tools. Tools that must be employed more often, but have not always been utilized to the full out extent with regard to this country or any countries history (even ancient Greece’s). As such to refute Pollards thoughts on grounds of logical inconsistencies seems riddled with peril as he is trying to make best of a situation that occurred in times which were and still are by their very nature illogical. I think Stephen does believe in democracy, granted he has his own point of view. Though it is irrefutable immigration needs to stop now, destabilization at all levels will otherwise doubtlessly occur. Now with reference to Muslims and their presence within British society, it is not something that needs to be feared. Continued marginalization is what needs to be feared. For such fear mongering inadvertently alienates the Muslims community and any other communities from effectively integrating into British society. Though I am not a Muslim I think it is safe to say British Muslims are given a lot of bad press upon the actions of a few. Vast numbers of Muslims can be found effectively working thorough out the whole of the British Isles as dentists, doctors, accountants and what have you. What is needed is a revised look at Multiculturalism, not an outright denial of its potential effectiveness.
BS
March 10th, 2008 7:55pmReverent tones surely? Since the intellect, rather than the tones, were presumably being revered.
Herbert Thornton
March 10th, 2008 8:55pmHow disappointing to read such diatribes against Enoch Powell - a as accurately prophetic as was Winston Churchill.
These attacks on him result, alas, from a blindness to reality so opaque that it tries to negate unwelcome news by killing the messenger.
Water
March 10th, 2008 9:37pmI think not. There is an irrefutable amount of subject matter being delt with. Thoughts on integration purveyed reverently or otherwise are still thoughts of great importance unwittingly it may even be a cause of tension in office blocks across the nation...