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Ah, Bergman. The great purveyor of tedious films (The Times)

Wednesday, 1st August 2007

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I have a piece in today's Times on Ingmar Bergman. Here's an extract:

Bergman is one of a large category of “important artists” whose defining quality is an almost total absence of public acclamation or popularity. Every art form has its equivalent – think James Joyce or Sir Harrison Birtwistle – but cinema is exceptional in its preponderance of such “important artists”. The latest is Lars von Trier, a maker of terminally dull films that are, nonetheless, lauded by cineastes (they have their own word, signifying that they’re a cut above bog-standard moviegoers).

 

It’s tempting to think that Bergman’s films were treated with such awe by critics because he was Swedish and the Swedes are, you know, deep. Like the Danish von Trier. So even if they’re yawnathons, they should be revered because they must mean something important.

 

But it’s not as simple as that. Even if Ingmar Bergman had been born plain old Terence Davies from Liverpool, cineastes would have been as likely to sing his praises. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you . . . Terence Davies, a Liverpudlian whose mind-numbingly dull accounts of his childhood in Distant Voices, Still Lives (1988) and The Long Day Closes (1992) have led to him being revered as “one of the most original British film-makers of the late 20th century” (as the British Film Institute puts it).

 

It goes on that Davies’s uniqueness lies in the way he conveys “the fragmented nature of memory and the partial knowledge of his young protagonist. Instead of using a smooth narrative, we receive a succession of loosely connected episodes, with no dominant story line.” So nothing happens in no particular order. But it’s important art because it’s dark, worthy and dull.

Feel free to call me a philistine in the comments section, but sticks and stones and all that...

Perhaps it would more fun if you'd like to suggest other 'important artists' who are, in your view,  overrated.

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Carroll Powell

August 1st, 2007 11:55am

Martin Amis, Salman Rushdie: have never been able to get past page 1 of either. Even Midnight's Children was done better by Gunter Grass in The Tin Drum. Ken Loach: he made only one good film - Kes. Visconti's Death in Venice is a dreadful bore. Shaw is mostly a self-important windbag. The entire Bloombury group are a bunch of narcissistic, overrated poseurs: V Woolf, especially. E M Forster: his books make good films but are otherwise unreadable. You could also usefully highlight underrated artists: no-one writes better than William Trevor or John McGahern (now, alas, dead). Shameful that neither have won the Booker.

Martin Morgan

August 1st, 2007 12:29pm

In defence of Bergman, Stephen, I would recommend Hour of the Wolf. Genuinely unsettling.

Chris Dent

August 1st, 2007 3:05pm

Singer: Ian Bostridge Conductors and orchestras: almost anyone of world renown whom I've heard. I've heard a lot of concerts at the Edinburgh Festival over the last few years, and most of the really memorable ones have been by the Scottish orchestras or less well know visiting ones (the Bamberg Symphony, the Finnish Radio Orchestra, the Gustav Mahler Jugendorchester, the Budapest Festival Orchestra...) To my ears, the Philharmonia and the LA Phil have both turned in really dreadful performances in the Usher Hall, and others really ordinary ones.

David J Rickerby

August 2nd, 2007 10:46am

You're a jerk Pollard. It's all very well to decry the followers of an artist because they cling to what that artist represents rather than the art itself, but to transfer that hatred to the art itself (which I very seriously doubt you have ever paid any open minded attention to) is ridiculous. I challenge you to watch Smiles of a Summer Night and not smile, and not recommend it to your friends, and not list it amongst your favorites. You just hate people saying he's good because you feel left out. Tell me, do you get upset by Salvador Dali for the same reason? Do his paintings seem alien and pointless to you? There is a reason so many hollow people cling to Bergman, it's fashionable to. But the reason for that is the people they're looking up to, people like you, who have a voice in the media. Wouldn't you say those people know what they're talking about?

Francis Barry-Walsh

August 3rd, 2007 11:27am

I don't know anything about Ingmar Bergman, but I don't want "unsettling" when I go to the cinema. Life's unsettling enough as it is. Put your feet up and enjoy the classic Ealing comedies or films like Two Way Stretch..."what's the matter, have you never seen a home perm kit before ?". Underrated... Paul Wilson's Someone to watch over me; a truly wonderful book that is just the right length, written well and deserved all the awards going. Guess it didn't make reviewers feel bad about themselves or wasn't unsettling enough. The Soundtrack of our Lives are a Sweish rock'n'roll band who aren't original but have taken the best of the last 30 years of rock music and make a wonderful heartwarming din with a smile on their faces and they are great live. Overrated....the opinions of most book reviewers. I'm not interested in YOU, I'm interested in a review of the book !

Bob Doney

August 4th, 2007 10:09pm

I'm no cineast, pederast or any other sort of ast as far as I know, but I did see Bergman's "Virgin Spring" in my yoof, and thought it was a wonderful film. The last time I saw "Death in Venice" I must admit I did start to get restless in some of the slow bits, but one can never have too much Mahler, can one. And the strolling musicians still do it for me.

Jessica Duchen

August 5th, 2007 2:56pm

You said it, Stephen - you're a philistine! I'm disappointed in you. Do yourself a favour and watch 'Summer with Monika' and 'Wild Strawberries' before you decide he's useless. Could it be that some punters enjoy Bergman because they're sick to death of the dross that pours out of Hollywood? Might cinema be an art form and not just a disposable nappy?

B.

August 9th, 2007 9:19am

http://pitchpress.blogspot.com/2007/08/murdochisation-or-lapses-at-times.html

Sam Elsby

August 9th, 2007 2:07pm

At first I wondered whether this piece was an ironic provocative joke. The thought process behind your article must go something like this: (1)I'm intelligent and well educated and have lots of strident views on a number of things (for which you have probably won awards for)and I'm confident in those views. (2) I personally don't "get" Bergman and a number of other artists. (3) Therefore (a) there must be nothing to "get" and (b) those to profess to see or understand or FEEL more than I do, must themselves be charlatans. What you don't appreciate is that some peoples' brains are wired up differently to yours. Your comments on Bergman are as valid as mine would be if I dismssed the theory of Relativity. Despite a number of attempts I just can't get to grips with it.

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