It’s not just the Swiss — all Europe is ready to revolt

A. MacAulay

I have followed this a short way on Swiss TV and an important factor should also be taken into consideration by us non-Schweizer. The initiative is a private one, from those citizens who gathered enough signatures to require a referendum on the subject. This is not in response to any government initiative to allow or ban minarets or make any chnages to standing rules for planning permission.

Also none of the commentators I have read or heard have linked this to the very recent humiliation of Switzerland by Libya, the embarrasing visit by the Swiss Minister-President, cap in hand, to Col. Gaddafi and the holding of Swiss hostages by the Libyan Gov.

MikeF

You are little mixed up here Rod. The Dutch population could hardly start voting for Pim Fortuyn after the murder of Theo van Gogh because Fortuyn had been murdered two years previously. But remember who murdered Fortuyn - a left-wing activist motivated, so he said, by an urge to 'defend' muslims against Fortuyn. That is where the utter self-righteousness of the left leads. You do wonder how the BBC would react if a muslim fanatic murdered a 'liberal' over here. It is not to hard to imagine them coming up all sorts of excuses - I wonder if they have a contingency plan ready for just such an event

Keith D

Excellent article Rod
Its a bit rich that a Turkish government whose PM describes minarets as bayonets and muslims our soldiers,complains when the Swiss take him at his word.
I looked at follow up articles and polls in European MSM and as implied,were this referendum put to other European electorates the result would be the same or even more emphatic.This is no xenophobic reaction but merely reflects genuine alarm at Europes supine Islamisation.
No doubt the ECHR will attempt to nullify the Swiss vote in order to satisfy the EU politico/religious creed.A toxic brew of old fashioned marxism and fundamentalism.Why are we shocked when this abomination colludes to deny our democratic voice?
The recent Libyan bullying of Switzerland over Gaddafi Jnrs arrest may also have influenced the Swiss people but its worth remembering his father claiming that Muslim immigration and falling Western birth rates "is the clear indication that the European continent will be converted to Islam" Turkey,North Africa for EU admission anyone?While our governments suffer selective memory loss on these issues parents concerned for their childrens world do not forget.
When we are betrayed by our elite[Neather,Balls,Straw......]then we have to gravitate to parties unwilling to endorse our demise.You are correct in the analysis that Geert Wilders popularity is natural Dutch liberalisms answer to its Islamic nemesis.
In the UK of course we have seen vast tracts of our land turned into Muslim ghettos.A ghettoisation encouraged by Islamic teachings as beautifully illustrated in Andrew Gilligans article today.Separation the norm,integration as unislamic.Reinforced of course by the hate preachers.According to Mr Hardy we in the west are phobic to object to this demonisation of us in our own sceptered isle.
Contributors will be well aware of the justices encountered in Sharia and I will not list them here.But may I ask,how is my Western humanity to be subjugated to accommodate this justice?
If Mein Kampf was a best seller in Switzerland they would have a right to reflect on their motives.It is not.However there is a region of the world where it is.Any guesses?

Taipei Exile

Just waiting for the usual pavlovian responses:

Overwhelming majority, law-abiding,
peaceful religion
Incompatible with terrorism
minority of extremists
George W Bush

Hepworth

Hi Rod.
The BNP membership form is on it's way.

Taipei Exile

Oh, how could I have forgotten a BNP reference.

Taipei Exile

Oh, how could I have forgotten a BNP reference?

Herbert Thornton

This put me in mind of Fitna. A quick Google search showed that some web sites have stopped making it available, but the Internet is not so easily intimidated. It can still be found.

Rod says that Europe is ready to revolt. But we must bear in mind that the establishments are so determined to protect Islam that they have, in effect, linked themselves to the Muslim population. The consequence of that - at least in Britain - is that the establishment is ready to do almost anything to smother the revolt. I fear that the more time passes before the revolt begins, the more likely it is that revolt will turn into a civil war.

Niallster

Ever knows the revolt is coming.

Its only a matter of time.

The political elite could stop it but to do so they would have to kill their sacred cow of multiculturalism and insist that immigrants bend themselves to the indigenous culture rather than the other way round.

I don't believe they will ever be able to do this.

Snowman

This is nibbling around the edges, sooner or later Europe will have to confront the roots of this multy-culty hatched dilemma head on. How will the ruling elites in the 27 countries square the circle what with the local legislation, EU directives and international treaties tying up their hands.

Hepworth @ 1.54:

What’s scarier? The rise of a party of pub rousers led by a man whom one would not entrust a lemon for fear he repatriates it, but whose views on this issue resonate with a large part of the public, or the blindness of the ruling elite to the problem.

Herbert Thornton

Snowman - since you ask, the blindness of the ruling elite is by far the more frightening. I say this because they have demonstrated their nature and the direction in which they are steering us, themselves, by their own actions.

The same cannot be said of what you call the "party of pub rousers" - and your description of their leader is equally unpersuasive. I believe that most antipathy towards them is the result, not of having any proof that what they will do is frightening, but of the constant demonisation of them by the media. You make a passing reference for example to repatriation. To my mind that is a long, long way from, for example, building and using gas chambers. The people in the pubs - as you seem to think of them - understand the distinction, and they understand it a great deal more clearly than do the elite.

In short, the BNP do not portend disaster - they in fact offer us very reasonable hope of rescue.

Merlyn

With Tories not standing up for us in 'climate change',the EU, and immigration, they may not get a clear majority. Is there a possibility with the new immigration vote that Labour will squeeze through again?

... that would certainly bring on a revolution.

Stephen Gash

In England two mosques have been refused planning permission since the SIOE demonstration in Harrow on 11th September and several English Defence League protests. One in Lichfield and the other in Lincoln.

If politicians had heeded the concerns of people at the rising tide of Islam and its inherently violent sharia, then we wouldn't have the problems we have now.

The real Islamophobes are our political elite and they cower in the face of Muslim bullies. Some if us choose to do something about it. Well done the Swiss and Swiss nationals living in London get to the SIOE demo in Harrow on 13th Dec. with Swiss flags.

B.A.E. Wesseling

As a dutch I am afraid I have to tell you that mr. Wilders' popularity has nothing to do with liberalism. His popularity has everything to do with voicing and manipulating John Doe's fears and worries. Ever heard of "das gesundes Volksempfinden", the "wholesome popular sentiment"? I am surprised, mr. Liddle, you too?

Keith D

Herbert Thornton is correct in his assessment that constant demonisation of the BNP by the MSM and LibLabCon has contributed to the antipathy towards them.A double edged sword though as demonstrated by its recent successes.If this twin pronged attack had come from parties and a media in touch with the legitimate concerns of the British public,it may well have worked.Instead people view any attack from a sleaze ridden politburo committed to the destruction of our way of life as invalid.

The BNP policies on immigration are to call a halt,deport illegals and to offer financial incentives in a voluntary repatriation scheme.Hardly the stuff of Heinrich Himmler. The policy of withdrawal from the EU is hardly unpopular either.

My problem with the BNP is that its leadership has a history of holocaust denial and has expressed views on other minorities more in accordance with the Islamists they oppose.If that were addressed sufficiently then the less xenophobic could well be persuaded they can help lead us out of this dangerous mess.

Sad to think a country that once stood alone against Nazi tyranny has a government willing to surrender it to its Islamofascist bedfellows.

If only the Tories had the cohones to grasp the immigration nettle. Does CMD really think he could lose a debate with the cabal responsible for the disaster we see before us? Deal with this Dave and you are a shoe in.

A. MacAulay

Sorry to spoil the general sloppy wallow in self pity and worlds end scenarioism, but I'll make the point again. The Swiss organised a plebisite for themselves. OK they've had more practice than most of the rest of us but the point is that, without the help or interference of their pols, they got on with it. No more minarets!

Just as the Bavarians, Godblessem for their self-esteem, organised 1.3 million signatures AGAINST smoking in public places, especially bars. Not a popular subject here, but demonstrates that if the will is there then politics can be influenced.

alkan kizildel

"Its a bit rich that a Turkish government whose PM describes minarets as bayonets and muslims our soldiers,complains when the Swiss take him at his word."
Tayyib Erdogan was sent to prison for four months for making this remark..! Turkey has a powerful secular establishment. It is a mistake to lump Turkey together with other Muslim countries. In any case the Turks did not go to Europe uninvited... They were welcomed by the German Government as GASTARBITER in late Fifties for the vital afterwar reconstruction work in Germany. And finally there are several churches in Turkey outside Istanbul...

revolution

The simple truth is that if there was an attack by British or other Muslims that wiped out this generation of scum from parliament it would be welcomed by a large majority of non Muslim people in Britain?

logdon

How these people can lecture the Swiss or Dutch merely for defending their cultures is such a bloody gross insult.

Who the hell do they think they are?

We, the public have not rolled over. We have not capitulated and the Islamists and Government apologists should desist.

As other posters have pointed out, trouble’s a brewing and not too soon.

Last week two nasty little incidents happened to me. Both involving Muslims who clearly thought that they'd get away with them.

Emboldened by a supine BBC and worse, a grovelling political establishment the divide lines reared their ugly heads and an absolute sense of superiority was unmissably apparent.

That's where this is leading.

We've had riots causing millions of pounds of damage, where the Muslim instigators got away scot free. That fact is not lost on the inhabitants of those Northern towns. Next time will not be so easy and matters could be taken out of official hands, such is the impotent rage.

Labour has created this mess in Britain. Neather showed why. A supine media, including the Spectator ignores, yawns and dozes it’s PC dreams.

We’re not yawning. This is just the beginning.

logdon

Long but worth the read

December 7th, 2009 12:40 pm
Minarets and the Concept of Reciprocity

The mainstream media continue to decry the Swiss referendum on minarets. To date, The New York Times has published one editorial and five additional articles on the subject, including one today. Perhaps The Paper of Record views the 30% of the electorate who actually voted in Switzerland as traitors to their own multicultural, anti-racist, politically correct belief system.

The problem is that the Islamic world today does not share this hallowed belief system. Actually, it never did. Rather, it has destroyed or built over synagogues, churches, and temples, and denied that such infidel places of worship ever existed. Note the fevered Palestinian attempts to claim the Temple Mount, where once the ancient Jewish Temple stood, as really �Islamic.�

The Islamic world does not allow new synagogues or churches to be built. Further: Muslim fundamentalists currently persecute, torture, and murder those Christians who dare remain in the Middle East, and they kidnap, forcibly convert, and �marry� their very young daughters.

It is time to demand�”or at least to expect�“reciprocity. Otherwise, we are really being racist in having one (higher) standard for Westerners and another (much lower) standard for the barbarians.

Granted: The West is not as barbaric and intolerant as the Islamic world; we do not willingly wish to become intolerant. Yet, tolerating the intolerant is unwise, or as the Jewish sages tell us: Being kind to the cruel results in cruelty to the kind.

Thus, if there can be no churches or synagogues built in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc.�”then why should the Swiss or the Europeans allow new, blockbuster size mosques, and sound-splitting loudspeakers emanating from minarets? According to Imam Kurdi, writing in the Arab News,

�And let�s not be hypocrites. If you held a referendum in a Muslim country asking whether the construction of new church steeples should be permitted, you are also likely to get an overwhelming no. So let us not brand this a Swiss phenomenon and let us also remember that it is not the majority of the Swiss population that supported the ban but the majority of those who voted, which if you do the maths comes to 30 percent of the population.� (Thanks to Esther for bringing this to my attention.)

Let me be clear. I am one of those westerners who has �dreamed East.� And, as a Jew, I have an undeniably dangerous but familial kinship with Arabs and Muslims. I find the Muslim call to prayer beautiful�”but only if I refuse to understand that, as an infidel, an American citizen and patriot, a Jew, a woman, and a Zionist, that my place inside that mosque is that of a sub-human, fair-game target for hatred or worse.

Jews in exile from Arab and Muslim countries have launched a beautiful, haunted literature, one in which they manifest nostalgia for the places which endangered them and forced them to flee. Often, the danger is minimized, the customs romanticized. I am thinking of Andre Aciman, Roya Hakakian, and Lucette Lagnado.

I am in favor of interfaith gatherings. Peaceful voices are sweet to my ears and yet: telling the truth is far sweeter than lying. The truth is:

Mosque and minaret building in Europe probably represent a refusal to integrate; a refusal to separate mosque and state. Perhaps it also signifies an intention to one day vote in Shari�a law as the law of the European land.

It is cause for concern.