The rise of British racism may be horribly close

Cynical Voter

How can the English be racist when they let Scotsmen ruin their country since 1997 ?

David Short

Try being English in Scotland, and you'll soon know that overt racism exists in Britain.

David Short

Those of you who get tired of there being only two paragraphs on each page of a long story (75% of the web page being taken up by promos and ads) should click on 'print this article'.

When the full text comes up, click Cancel, then you can read the article at the speed and with the concentration it was written for.

The Spectator website is the worst I've ever seen for a publication.

The last time I submitted this useful info, it was censored.

Here's hoping.

David Short

Can a 'rise' be 'close'?

Mike Baldwin

Fraser I am suprised that you use the term 'far right' as Norman Tebbit said they are Labour with racism

Joan Walters

The answer to Frazer Nelson’s paradox lies partly in an extension of Stanley Payne’s conclusion about the British Union of Fascists being a ‘contradiction in terms’ and his claim in 1995 that fascism is extinct in the UK. Fascism IS indeed extinct here, the BNP is NOT a fascist party. A good article but why the swastika? The BNP never uses the swastika, even though it’s an ancient British rune used until around 80 years ago here as a symbol of good luck. Evidently the Speccie is using it to keep alive the anti BNP brainwashing of the sort which causes Frazer to say “The letters BNP are, to me, hatefully synonymous with racism and all its sickening implications”. Perhaps the cant term “racism” should either be replaced by terms such as “race realism” or “race preference”, or the fact that people of other races are equally “racist” publicised. That “among the young, the suggestion that national identity is dependent upon a particular ethnicity is regarded as simply bizarre rather than obnoxious” shows an irresponsible attitude amongst many young people, due to brainwashing by the media and a negligent education system. If the climate is likely to grow even more favourable to the BNP that is the fault of mainstream politicians for allowing this mess to occur over the last 40 or so years, not the BNP. Don’t blame the messenger.

Anthony Price

A legal political party is campaigning by legal means. It addresses one of the main concerns of a huge chunk of the electorate, i.e. mass immigration from the third world. It also opposes racial discrimination against white people in this country in employment and housing.
Labour's new 'Equality' legislation will make it legal to discriminate against white males in employment and will make it compulsory to monitor the 'effectiveness' with which this is done.
The white working class hasn't gone away even though it has been sneered at for a generation of Labour politicians in particular.
Most BNP policies are straightforward Old Labour - for example keeping the Royal Mail in public ownership rather than handing it over to an unelected sleazy sodomite to butcher and sell off to his dodgy friends in Europe.
Add to that the fact that the BNP wants to take our country out of the plainly corrupt and sclerotic EU dictatorship and restore our national sovereignty and you need to be seriously stupid not to see the reasons for their growing support.
You may, of course, disagree with their views and aims, but simply ranting on about 'racism' and 'fascism' does nothing useful at all. Indeed, it is in all probability counter productive.

Craig Pond

So Fraser, you're right and everyone else is wrong?!
You are an egotistical d**k.

Rhoda Klapp

""‘It’s not racist to defend your people, your culture and identity when it is [under] attack,’ he says.""

How is that sinister? Perhaps the cultural invasion is the problem. Maybe it's not the fact of immigration, but the volume of it, that worries the indigenous population. Perhaps it is the failure to assimilate, or the way services and resources are handed out to all and sundry regardless of 'time served'. Whatever it is, the concerns are real, and to sweep them aside as irrelevant and only a front for racism is to miss the point. Which party will address them. Labour? They don't want to upset their clients. Tory? They don't want to look racist. Lib Dems? Ha ha. If the main parties will not even accept that the concerns of what for the sake of argument we can lump together as the white working class are legitimate, why would that class not cast their vote elsewhere? And they will, in significant numbers, in elections that don't count. Probably not a GE, yet.

The arguments of the BNP, the overt manifesto stuff not the secret agenda, must be addressed by major parties if they want that vote. The approach of ignoring them or refusing to debate is anti-democratic. Refusing to stand on a platform with them is anti-democratic.

(Oh, Britain isn't going to turn racist if the BNP do well. Rather more likely the BNP will have to abandon the secret agenda and go mainstream)

BrianSJ

Fraser,
I am afraid that you come across as having just as much bias in your view as the BNP does. You are smearing where commentary would have been fine.

'This country has never been less racist' (or similar). Conhome manifesto has "To respond to the most serious challenge of our time – Islamic fascism:"
Perhaps you could remind me of all DC's major speeches on this challenge?

Delivering services to needy people wins hearts and minds, whether it is Swat Valley, Palestine or Hertfordshire. Getting rid of rats works. ZNL p*ssing money up the wall doesn't.

Andrew Cadman

It is because the major parties simply don't have the courage to confront the issues that we have got into this mess.

Its not about race at all, its about culture. The left have conflated the two as part of its multicultural experiment, so that anyone who worries about the decline of our indigenous cultural identity, partly caused by immigration, is branded a racist.

Politicians have got to show some intellectual courage and face up to the truth that not all cultures are equal, compatible or mutually beneficial. This has absolutely nothing at all to do with race. Hindus and Sikhs, for example, have adapted well to this country as well as culturally enriched it. So have the Chinese, Jews and Afro-Carribean women (Afro-Carribean men seem to have more of a problem). However, plainly there are major compatibility problems with Islamic cultures that may prove irresolvable.

Likewise, white immigration from Eastern Europe varies greatly in its desirability: immigration of hardworking Poles and from the Baltic states is far more culturally benign than that from the violent and criminal cultures of the Balkans.

Of course these are generalisations, and many, particularly on the left, would argue that to generalise is crude and unfair. However, when you are dealing with mass immigration from different cultures then it is arguable that you have to deal in the general. As harsh as it sounds, I believe we should have a blatantly 'culturalist' immigration policy towards those cultures that we believe are most compatible with our own if we are to avoid the slide into sectarianism which, although it is completely ignored by Westminster politicians, has already started in the Northern mill towns Fraser alludes to.

Personally I am pro-immigration and not against high levels of immigration in theory. However in the long term high levels of immigration are only compatible with a 'culturalist' immigration policy.

Time to grasp the nettle.

Cillit Brown (Bang, and the wealth has gone!)

Sorry to post off-topic but please please please get rid of that godawful F&C Investment Trust advert that is cureently preventing me from reading almost half the page.

Mr Green

It appears what you are saying is that it's not OK to be racist unless you are a Conservative voter.
You seem to be saying if Conservatives shout about immigration then the only concern is that it will scare away the Liberal voters, but if the BNP do the same then the concern is..what?

It seems you are more worried about the protest votes going to the "also rans" rather then a nationalist party gaining a voice.

Brian Smith

It seems as if all the media writers and commentators are either under instructions to demonise the BNP or else have no understanding of how the majority of British people feel about developments in this country. And that is not just white people. The current rise of the BNP is a totally new phenomena rising out of the utter frustration of many of us - ex-Labour and Tory voters alike. I have felt powerless for 10, 20 years, but no longer. Labour appears anti-British, Conservatives not much better (Cameron - time to take up Asian values), and most of the political elite - our "betters", including UKIP, have been shown to be greedy and arrogant. This country is close to its own version of an Orange Revolution.

Brian Smith

PS In my estimation, and apart from many people's fear of the rise of Islam, little of this has anything to do with racism. Mr Griffin, in a Sky News interview said he would swop 100,000 Ghurkas any day for the 100,000 Islamic supporters of Al Queda in the UK - and who wouldn't?

Jez

Probably two years to the day I found William Hague on my doorstep.

He was canvassing (during the daytime) with the local Conservative candidate for the local elections in our area.

“Will you be voting Conservative?” They asked me.

“No.” I answered. “I’m voting BNP.”

I then tried to diplomatically explain that I had a young family, about the demographics of my area (adjacent to maybe one of the most ‘diverse’ cities in Britain) that are changing rapidly and I spoke of my perception that the main parties were selling out.

We agreed to disagree and I politely wished them good luck- and that was that.

My home is in a pretty nice spot in my town. Us being there was only due to utilising the housing price/credit boom, buying a run down property and then- due to me being in the building trade- modernising/investing to accumulate a far more high priced property than we probably would have been able to (ever) in a normal economical climate.

My wife came in from the back garden (she’d gone to nosey at Hague and his entourage) and aid to me;

“He’s just shook the hand of (whoever) and he said; ‘At least someone on this streets got a job!’ He means you, doesn’t he….”

My wife started laughing, “he thinks you a doley’!”

Funny.

Now I know we live in a cool house but what met ‘William’ when I opened the door was (probably) something he perceived as ‘horrible’:

I was tired and looked it, I hadn’t had a shave, tattoos on my lower arms (classy one’s though- Celtic cross, etc- lol!), in the background were our two month old twins- that were kicking off loudly, I had an old t-shirt on- adorned with some two month old twin baby-sick. I really looked good.

On top of this, I said I was going to vote BNP.

As an opinion- To William Hague I was seen as a stereotypical ‘ignorant BNP-voting white-trash only to be scoffed at.’

That’s what I think. I’m entitled to that opinion because it was them who knocked on my door. I am certain that the same conclusion would have been arrived at if any of the main parties had have arrived at my home, at that same moment back then.

The political elite would *not* have realised that I was at home because I was an engineer on call (now I manage projects across the UK and Ireland, within that same industry) and that I’d actually worked through the previous night. I was doing my timesheets, so I was a little disorientated and hadn’t time to smarten up yet. Our twins were ill and couldn’t keep anything down also, so trying to muck 6am onward that day (after approximately 3hrs sleep- try it, I liken it to being in a car smash) in fact entailed being ‘sick on’ a lot. I wear my tattoos because I’m proudly from the building site.

And that’s what was in front of William Hague- but he didn’t see that.

I answered wrong and I looked wrong.

You’ve pushed people to the side-lines constantly ‘that answer wrong’.

You feel that the crushing of legitimate white working-class concerns (like the ones mentioned in this article regarding the Isle of Dogs) as a victory. Vast swathes of old East End are now powder kegs of Muslim mainstream rejection. The white working-class you told not to vote BNP (back then the BNP was a different entity I think, agreed) have now had to leave if they wanted any normal western environment to bring their kids up in.

In a spectacular fashion you have failed the very people that keep the politicians and the system in money (through tax) and scoffed/pushed aside any one who dared to ‘answer you wrongly’

Never mind the BNP- forget them; the self-serving elite have taken the p***, been found out and now they’re trying to save they’re hides.

Shame on them!

Mr Green

Fraser -
The BNP are not Facists. Racists maybe; Nationalists certainly, but not Facists. Facism is simply a belief in the nanny-state ruling over the individual.

Now, write out 100 times :

Labour are Facists. BNP are racists.

wrinkled weasel

I don't buy this. Britain is not less racist. The Racism has simply transferred itself to those organisations - countless numbers of them - that are the exclusive reserve of minority groups, who are not only publicly funded, but who exclude white people from their ranks. By your definition, that is racism.

Do you not see something breathtakingly hypocritical about the existence of a Black Police Officers Association, when even membership of the BNP is banned among police officers?

The Avon and Somerset Police were censured not so long ago because they were banning white applicants from shortlists.

Racism is a word that needs some explanation. To a lot of people it really means scapegoating. Either that or it is used as a blanket term of abuse targeted at anybody who dares to suggest that immigration be capped.

No, racism is alive and well in the UK, only the target is now also, white people.

Political correctness does not champion the scapegoat, it merely replaces one scapegoat with another.

Alan Cornwell

The only people worried by the BNP are the likes of nelson and the other tosspot student fraternity university educated muppets, they dont realize but they are the problem!!! the establishment is packed to the gunwhales with these cretins lets get rid of them and anybody from a law background as well!!!

bert

Well I joined the BNP just over a year ago, and I cannot for the life of me think why any sane person would call them extreme.

A sane person would say that invading foreign countries like Iraq and Afghanistan resulting in thousands of deaths based upon lies ! was an extreme act.

Democracy is not subject to anyone's approval or on their terms only - we either have it or we don't ... even if we sometimes don't like the result.

A sane person would say that handing over your country to a foreign power without even asking the people !namely,, the EU Empire is an extreme act.

A sane person would say that destroying a countries ability to feed itself as extreme.

A sane person would say that destroying a countries industrys and making us reliant on foreign countries as an extremist act.

The total destruction of education, the prison service the police the NHS is an extreme act.

I don't recall the BNP calling for the beheading of people or suicide bombing of people or even calling for anyones death, as a certain group of people have done and get funding from tax payers for it!

only the BNP will stop this insanity !

It may surprise some people that the BNP have members of polish,Italian, hungarian decent, gay, disabled, jewish, and many members have foreign wives/husbands etc.
The BNP have Jewish councillors, a Jewish treasurer.
BNP also have Members of the Armed forces, ex WW2 veterans, ex spitfire pilots, pensioners.
Unemployed, Self employed and professional people !

Adam Walker BNP teacher has a Japanese wife, Richard Barnbrook (BNP GLA member) his partner Simone Clarke (BNP member)are bringing up Simones mixed race young child.

Regarding the usual ‘racist’ accusations – the most seriously injured BNP activist attacked with a claw hammer by anti-BNP protesters turns out to have a Chinese wife;
one of the two BNP officers in Wigan turns out to have been married 24 years to an Asian woman, and has a mixed race child (well, she’s 20 now).

the BNP s policies arn't much different than any of these. apart from the BNP one making provision to create jobs in the immigrants home countries, by importation of goods/food we cannot make/grow here from them.

Help immigrants already here to rejoin their families in their countries of origin, or to return with their families to these countries, if they so wish. (conservative manefesto 1966) heath
http://www.conservative-party.net/manifestos/1966...

a Conservative government will follow a policy of strictly limited immigration.
http://www.conservative-party.net/manifestos/1974...

The Home Office introduced AVR (Assisted Voluntary Return) programmes in 1999.
here is full details of the Labour government voluntary repatriation scheme for naturalised British citizens to return to their ancestral homelands ;
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/freedom-of-...

“If Fraser Nelson is that bothered about the state of the nation why not and stand for election yourself instead of telling other people how to vote and telling blaitent lies?

Steve Parkes

Swastikas and slurs about fascists are no longer a deterrent to those who are considering voting for the BNP.
I would suggest that the issue is not in fact about race but more about social class.
Most white British working class families have long ago left behind the kind of shameful ignorant racism which was routinely directed at immigrants from India such as Sikhs and Hindus and these former immigrants have successfully integrated into the daily life of Britain and become 'mainstream'. They are good friends and neighbours but unfortunately the general perception about Muslims is completely the opposite.When did you last have a conversation with a lady through a letterbox?
Talk of Swastikas and Moseley's blackshirts no longer has a great impact when London commuters are being blown to pieces under metropolitan summer skies by those who we must by law welcome and suppress our rage and anger about.
All politicians appear to be in complete denial where mass immigration is concerned and working families are those who are paying the price for a failed multi cultural experiment.
Britons have become tolerant and legislation exists to make sure that we are but we have been continually branded 'racist' simply for trying to express even the smallest degree of concern while we are blithely informed that the population of Britain, mainly England, is due to rise by ten million because of mass immigration policies.
Members of the metropolitan elite will not be unduly affected, there are no queues at private clinics and money will buy a good education to override competition for jobs and resources. They can afford to be 'offended' on behalf of others and to be charitable when stupid gestures such as the changing of Christmas into 'Winterval' are taking place.
The white working class voter has been abandoned, betrayed and belittled so those who comment adversely on the rise of the BNP have completely missed the real issue although Fraser Nelson is one of the few who has appeared to notice the paradox while missing the reasons behind it.

a locker

People are turning to the BNP becaurse the Government is not protecting our borders, every Country that Tony Blair attacked we ended up with their refugees.

Sir Graphus

My son plays under 9’s cricket at the local club, and as I look around I see a disproportionate number of South African and Asian fathers and sons. How ironic it is, in light of your report here, that the iconic English game of cricket is being kept alive in this country by its immigrants.

Fearless Frank

Many people will be turning to the BNP next week in spite of the racism which may or may not be at its heart.
They will vote BNP because they have been abandoned by the mainstream parties which have traditionally represented them.
Many probably still hope that the mainstream parties will try to reconnect with the British people in time for the general election.
Racism is not the issue. Being unheard is.

sean

"The only people worried by the BNP are the likes of nelson and the other tosspot student fraternity university educated muppets"

Well I'm a (formally) uneducated working class white Englishman and I loathe and despise them because Griffin doesn't regard Beckham as British because he's one quarter Jewish and any of the black footballing heroes for the obvious reason. Plus they still believe in all that Jews-rule-the-World nonsense that their nazi friends like David Duke believe in.

True I despise political islam but to me Griffin and Hooky are flipsides of the same filthy coin.

Whatdoyouexpect

Mr Nelson writes:

"Regrettably, the climate is likely to grow even more favourable to the BNP. Its levels of support tends to track net migration to Britain, which is forecast to keep on increasing."

The impression he gives is that what's regrettable isn't that immigration is set to increase even further from its already unmanageable, catastrophic, unprecented and unwanted level. Instead he appears to be worried that this might benefit the BNP. Well of course it will.

Florence Nightingale

Well said Steve Parkes.
I live in an area which proudly boasts that it contains the first Muslim community to settle in Britain,1897. The Yemeni sailors who effectively jumped ship to settle in South Shields (Milibands constituency)were not given houses,financial benefits or expensive translators; the message to them was 'fit in or ship out'! They were at first not widely welcomed but by the end of WW2 they had integrated and assimilated into the community, the Mosque being regarded in much the same light as the RC or Methodist church, and in my living memory ,I am 69 yrs old, there has never been any trouble or tension--until recently. When, after a peaceful co-existence of 100+ years the Nativity scene in the main street and the centuries old tradition of the Good Friday ecumenical march through the town is suddenly banned in case it upsets the recent influx of ethnic minorities, resentment is bound to flare.
When any section of the people is perceived,rightly or wrongly, to be in receipt of rights and privileges and immunity from the law that is not granted to the majority population then trouble is bound to follow.
When the established political parties fail to address these issues, or perhaps it is more correct to say CAUSE these problems in an attempt to secure the immigrant vote, then the people most affected will inevitably turn to a party like the BNP.

ordinary joe from the streets

Your all under instruction from your corporate owners.

Florence Nightingale

MTA; an outcry by the locals ensured that the Good Friday march did go ahead, but with a much shorter route due, it was said, to a shortage of Police.

Craig McArthur

I live in South Africa and know a thing or two about racism.It is still alive well in S.A.and it will take a generation or two to resolve.However I'm amazed that Frazer Nelson,a fellow Scott, seems to be almost advocating the banning of the BNP instead of allowing them to test their support at the ballot box.The Bnp is growing it's support for a very basic reason, the government is not listening to the problems of poor working class people whatever their colour

Leanne

The BNP ban black and Asian people from joining their ranks and espouse the repatriation of legally settled non-white citizens.

Those are the actions of white supremacists.

Andy

Surely the BNP is SOCIALIST, not far right? When you consider nobody asked us (the natives) if we wanted our culture changed, but went ahead and did it anyway against our will, it's a wonder there haven't been riots, let alone a resurgence of the BNP. In my experience, people are not against immigrants per se, just the sheer numbers that have been allowed into our crowded island and the amount of those who are either out to exploit us and/or detest our way of life. Those who inintegrate and fit in (as always used to be the case) are accepted. It's a pity Labour didn't understand this simple truth when it tried its social engineering in the hope of importing a client voting base.

Henry Wood

"That the BNP is racist is, of course, not a matter of opinion. It has a whites-only membership policy, for example, ... "
The first time a politician or commentator also includes the National Black Police Association, Music Of Black Origin Awards, The National Association of Muslim Police, and any other of the myriad "racist" organisations from the other side of the fence, along with the BNP, *then* and only then will I accept the BNP is "racist". In the meantime they will get my vote.

Sunil Powers

Is racism wrong only when you're on the receiving end?

j m bailey

This is the first important point to note: there is no explicit talk of race, immigration or the death penalty (which the BNP supports). Just rats. This chap had a problem; his councillor fixed it and secured at least one vote. This is a significant and new aspect of the BNP’s strategy. Just as Lib Dems talk about holes in the road, not holes in the nation’s finances, the BNP (in spite of its nationalist identity) focuses relentlessly on the local. It targets councils with huge (normally Labour) majorities which have, for whatever reason, lost the will or capacity to campaign and govern well. The BNP then seeks to make itself useful: most recently, by sending squads to clear litter in strategic locations. It is a devious ploy: distracting public attention from the racist reality of the BNP by presenting itself as the ‘helpful party’. What strange logic. I am sure the Councillor in question would have discussed immigration, race and the dealth penalty if required. The BNP makes no secret of it's views. As to focusing relentlessly on the local. Aren't local councellors and M.P.s supposed to help/assist the locals they represent.If councellors from other parties have lost the will or capacity to campaign and govern well, that is their fault surely. You cannot ignore people and them blame them when they turn elsewhere. Also do you think these people uninterested in and so parochial they do not have a view on immigration etc? Or do you think your intellectual abilities superior to their's. I thought your comments very patronising, but you are entitled to your opinion. At the end of the day however people will vote for the BNP, because none of the mainstream parties have given them any consideration, hope or help. Critising them for so doing will not alter where they place their x. ectural tual abilities

david Lovibond

Speaking at the Bath and West Show, David Cameron said the BNP was seeking to divide "this country on the grounds of colour". Does he really believe that the only thing that seperates and defines the burgeoning immigrant ghettos of urban Britain (and England in particular) from the rest of us is the colour of the occupants. Not the fact that English is rarely heard there, or that the customs, allegiances, religion, dress and culture of this old country are treated as alien and not deserving of their attachment? It is because Mr Cameron, and indeed the leaders of the other mainstream parties, choose to 'forget' multiculturalism and its devastating impact on what we hardly dare call England, that so many turn in despair to the BNP. Popular concern is not that this country has a surfeit of black and brown Englismen, but that immigrants have been allowed and encouraged to behave as if they had never left their countries of origin. Under the aegis of multiculturalism England is becoming a foreign place and Mr Cameron seems not to understand that this breaks the heart of more and more of us. Why should anyone support a man who understands so little and berates those whose instincts and common sense make them worry about mass immigration. The BNP is a crude but maturing party that deserves to be taken seriously. To coin a phrase "there is no alternative"

Sarah-Jane

It’s apparently OK (compulsory, it seems, in some places) to laud Barack Obama, despite his attending a racist church for 20 years and idolising its racist pastor.

So why are so many mainstream media commentators moralising over the BNP‘s racism? Is the colour of Nick Griffin’s skin something to do with it?

And where in the BNP manifesto is an agenda that tops: “Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate”?

Because the problem is that one minute many mainstream media commentators shriek (like their hero, Obama) about the BNP‘s manifesto: “Don’t tell me words don’t matter.”

And the next, there seems to be a special privilege for other people’s words.

Why is that? Should Nick Griffin dub himself a priest of a new religion that just happens to be inextricably linked to a political agenda, a little like something else we could mention?

This is the backdrop to our daily lives and yet so many commentators who’ve been BNP bashing over the last month seem to think the public can’t spot these glaring contradictions. People see through it. And this is part of what has made the BNP acceptable.

If it’s OK for other people, why are the BNP singled out? The brazen hypocrisy of so many of these attacks on the BNP is what makes them so futile.

I won’t vote BNP on June 4. I won’t vote for anyone. But if the mainstream media and the political elite want answers as to why the BNP are finding it so easy to make headway, then I suggest that what I’ve spelt out above might give you some idea. I’m sure we can all think of plenty more examples of these gaping double standards by the media.

I know there are one or two leading commentators who have presented a coherent moral worldview, but the bulk of them haven’t.

What does the Political and Media Establishment think the public do? Not see these contradictions? If the Political and Media Establishment were consistent and coherent, the BNP wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. There’s plenty more worse than the BNP, yet they’re treated as if they walk on water.

It’s the moral coherence - or lack of it, stupid.

Dixon

Mr Nelson Says:
"Studies show that the BNP derives no electoral advantage from an influx of Indian settlers to a neighbourhood, and do badly in areas where there are many Britons of Afro-Caribbean descent. It is in places with Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities — that is, Muslim areas — that the BNP does well. Its focus there is not how people look, but how some act. "

In other words, these studies show that the issues driving BNP support are not "racist" at all. Its not about colour but conduct.

The problem for journalists, politicians and the entire media-political complex ( to paraphrase Eisenhower ) is that you are yourselves responsible for this rise of the BNP. By invariably decrying any attempt to discuss certain issues as "racist" you in effect leave people concerned by such matters nowhere to turn but the racists!

I cannot say this is true of you as an individual, Mr Nelson. But what you say on the next page, presupposing as it does that to link the actions of Islamists with the nature of Islam, seems to suggest that it is. If the mere possibility of a link between Islam and Islamism ( for heavens sake, how controversial is that ) is discarded as something only a "racist" would consider then it seems you are part also of that same hide-bound media-political complex.

If wanting to have such issues
addressed in political fora is sufficient to have someone slandered as a "racist" then you leave millions of people nowhere to turn but to the racists.

If you dub me a "racist" for wanting to discuss issues that are not racial, then I am forced to swallow that pill and allow you and your elitist friends to call me such a name!

Millions of all "races" ( an obsolete concept in itself ) in this country feel the same: they have no choice: they are dubbed "racist" for speaking their minds, so they have decided that its a label they shall just have to put up with. They have never stopped speaking their minds for as long as the media-political complex has been suppressing what they have to say. If they vote BNP, then maybe at long last someone will be forced to acknowledge the issues.

Archie

I find it interesting that any commentator who slags off the BNP is usually drowned out in the replies!

D.Rowlands

What IS poisonous Mr Nelson is the sytematic erosion of Britain's ethnic and cultural identity, which small 'c' conservatives will abhor whilst the large 'C' version will opportunistically 'celebrate'.

Yes, Thatcher, tuned in to concerns about our country being swamped by immigration and then, once elected, did nothing about it. The Tory Party is on record as being as responsible for placing in peril the British nation (that's it's people and culture NOT a mere floating piece of real estate to be exploited by anyone from anywhere in the world) as Labour. Careerist Tories need to 'get' that fact - and I'm no fascist and neither are the BNP.

James J

So why is British Nationalism so bad but Scots, Welch and Irish---or French, Israeli or Italian OK? Why do the media concentrate on trivia with regard to the BNP but never discuss policies? At the moment the Times is running a story about a £1000 donation!! We recently had a donation by David Abrahams of at least £548,850 to the Labour Party since 2003 via two work colleagues dismissed as meriting no further action.

Anne

I agree with the sentiments of this article. The BNP getting into power is frightening. The commenter below is correct to highlight the rather organised comments that appear whenever the BNP is mentioned in the press. I suggest that those who advocate the BNP come to Northern Ireland and see the "real BNP", they hang out with the UVF and UDA.

Allan Sharp

Fraser Nelson is, I presume, a member of the National Union of Journalists and the NUJ makkes it quite clear in its 'guidance notes' for its members that mass immigration is a global phenomenon and will be reported accordingly - or else. So Fraser nelson reports the rise in support for the BNP in exactly the same manner as any other member of the NUJ. If you don't believe this, check the NUJ's website.
As for me, I know what nazism is and the BNP is definitely not nazi - so I'll be voting for them to reverse the invasion of my country.

Herbert Thornton

Andrew Cadman - May 28th, 2009 9:50am -

When you say that the major parties simply don't have the courage to confront the issues that we have got into this mess you are certainly right, but I think there's even more to it. They not only lack the courage, but most of them don't even realise that there is anything wrong.

Even when a respected Anglican Bishop draws attention to the existence of No Go Areas, they along with the rest of the Establishment deny that it matters - and indeed, attack him for being intolerant.

There is a saying that you can deceive some people all of the time, and deceive everybody some of the time - but you can't deceive everybody all of the time.

And it's because you can't deceive all the people all of the time, that the constant media campaign of defamation against the BNP is beginning to fail.

Stephen

Several Coffee Housers suggest that the reason that the BNP will encourage 'non-British' people to 'go home' is to protect 'British culture'. But unless the BNP is planning to protect us from the pernicious influence of American culture, by banning fast food and 'movies' or to protect us from too much French fashion and food, what is really meant is protection from black and asian culture and religion.

The truth is that considered support for the BNP, as espoused by some on this blog, is support for a political party that does not consider some legally settled people as 'proper' British citizens. They are citizens who have yet to decide to 'go home'. It will become acceptable to treat any black or asian person as someone who can be 'encouraged' to leave - just as, in some quarters now, villages and neighbourhoods are kept white by terror and/or torching. Is that what we want? Is that the best response to all the issues we face today?

Winston Churchill

Britain has never been less racist!? Tell that to the Jews being abused and berated at every turn by Islamists and radical Lefitsts (Arabic chants of Itbah Al Yahud - Slaughter the Jews, at anti-Israel rallies is a pretty big indication of racism in modern Britain than the "rise of the BNP"). BNP may be racist at its core - but plenty of good, honest, non-racist Brits will vote for it b/c the major political parties and the media and intelligensia have done NOTHING to preserve what is tolerant and good about Britain - instead preferring to surrender their duty to defend British Liberties rather than, horror of horros, be seen offending the extremists living in our midsts. When polite society has declared that a fair discussion of the problems of immigration and integration may not be had - where do you expect people to eventually turn? To those who aren't bullied by elite opinion on what we can or cannot discuss!

Mike Godfrey

Once again we see a commentator attacking a political group in exactly the same way he accuses them of behaving. Its very enlightening to hear Mrs Higham expounding her belief of what the BNP stands for, as for many it strikes an accord in the country for people of all colours and creeds. The biggest fear for most Brits whether Caribbean, Asian or white has been the ongoing destruction of their culture and heritage just to please the multiculturalists that Labour infected the country with. This cancer at the core of government along with rampant immigration has given the BNP a platform and traction to gain votes purely because the main parties aren't listening. I still find it hard to understand the paranoia against the BNP the like of which we see here by comparing them with Oswald Mosley of the 30's. The Labour party of the 30's was a party that was from the people and for the people but 80 years on New Labour has shown itself to be a grubby small minded party out for itself and completely distanced from their roots & the country. The Tories have chipped away at their toff image and again are nothing like the Tories of the 50's but they still have a way to go. There is every reason to point out that the BNP is NOT a born again Mosley group of fascists especially after seeing the raft of fascist tendencies coming from the government in power. Just what is the fear thats coming from many quarters unless its another McBride style smear campaign by those unwilling to debate what ails the country. In government, in the opposition parties and even here to some extent, opponents fail to engage in honest debate with the BNP and one has to wonder why. Maybe its the inconvenient truths that are the problem but smear campaigns or brushing it under the carpet will not solve peoples fears.

H Osbourne

No Fraser, it's not the rise of racism (whatever that leftist created word means)that we are witnessing. Rather its the development of a new nationalism, based on a sense of fury and indignation by both the working and middle classes at the despoilation of their country,wealth,heritage and culture by a corrupt and uncaring political class happy to preside without resistance over its destruction.

E.J.Thribb aged 55 and a half

After reading this article and comments, I have come to the conclusion that I must be a racist.

Anderson

And when did any of the 'mainstrean' parties openly campaign to bring about mass immigration? NEVER. They then have the vile conceit and arrogance to villify and demonise those who question and directly oppose their underhanded and deceitful( not to mention treacherous) doings. It seems that there is only one view of immigration which is permissible; it's 'enriching' and something we must all 'celebrate' - or else you are a 'Hilter worshipper who is morally culpable for the Holocaust'! Some open debate that is!

Tonni-Ann

Fraser an important fact, in Thatcher crushing the NF, you neglect to mention is, Thatcher was a SOCIAL Conservative. Cameron is not, he is a Liberal Conservative as is Osborne and nearly all the leadership. So we have the Liberal Democrats (liberal on social issues), Labour (liberal on social issues) and now the Tories (liberal on social issues). It's a total stitch up and the majority's wishes are not being represented. Throw into the mix Europe and hardly anyone in this country feels as though their views are represented at Westminster. IF and that's a big if BNP do well the three main parties only have themselves to blame, for not representing the views of the people.

Stan, UK

Thatcher was a master politician, with an art for tapping into how the masses felt. She used just a small amount of Nationalism especially during the Falklands and the subsequent election. I was reminded of this recently when watching BBC Parliament re run of the 1979 general election. The biggest swings to the Tories, in the UK, were in East London. The areas with high immigration, because Thatcher had sent out the message she understood and was going to do something about it. Another politician who has used this tactic in recent times is Sarkozy. He took on Le Pen in a TV debate, no less, and actually stole some tough rhetoric on immigration.

Stalin MacSporran

Actually, the average British racist isn't white at all. He's most likely to be black, and next most likely to be Asian. Whites are a poor third.

The basis of this assertion is the figures on racial incidents that used to be collected for the British Crime Survey (until they stopped doing so because it was getting so embarrassing). Broadly, across all racist incidents (which I'm using as a proxy for racism generally), 40% were carried out by blacks, 30% by Asians and 30% by whites.

When you divide that level of offending by the percentage of the population each ethnic group represents, you find that 70% of the racist crime is being done by 6.6% of the population (those who aren't white). The other 93% of the population (who are white) are only doing 30% of the racist crime.

Simply put, blacks are about 30 times more likely to commit a racially motivated crime than whites.

Now why would that be? It wouldn't be because we keep telling them only whites can be racist, would it?

Retrograde

Yet again a very biased article against a legitimate and legal political party. As long as the three "mainstream" parties continue with their "we know better than you" attitude, the British public will continue to say "no you don't' So the BNP successes will be a protest vote, lets hope the three mainstream parties are listening to the electorate for a change.

Jon

Here is a response from a WW2 D-Day veteran and member of the BNP to David Cameron who said they were Nazi Thugs this week at an agricultural show.

Tory leader David Cameron is a “disgrace to British politics who has deeply offended all the World War II veterans who support the British National Party,” said Mr George Johnson, a D-Day veteran and long time activist and former candidate for the party.

Reacting to the pathetic outburst against the BNP made by Mr Cameron yesterday, Mr Johnson, who wears his medals proudly, said it was a “gross, ignorant and childish insult which showed a total lack of moral and intellectual integrity to call people like myself who fought the Nazis, by that name,” Mr Johnson said.

Mr Johnson said that he and the many other World War II veterans (such as the Royal Air Force’s Doug Tidy) were “utterly disgusted” at the Conservative Party leader stooping to such outright lies to attack another party.

“We know that in the cut and thrust of politics it is normal to point out flaws in other parties, but it is completely out of bounds to lie so nakedly. I am sure that the voting public will see Mr Cameron’s childish outburst for what it is, and ignore it and his party.”

* At the same meeting where Mr Cameron made his outburst, he was questioned by two members of the public about policy - and not surprisingly, refused to answer either.

The first question was from a gentleman who asked if the BNP “did not have a point” about immigration. Instead of trying to explain his party’s immigration policy, Mr Cameron flew into his childish little rant against the BNP.

Another questioner, a lady, expressed to Mr Cameron her concern that schoolchildren are no longer taught British history.

Instead of answering the question, Mr Cameron dodged the issue, remarking only that it was necessary to “get away from narrative history.” The Tory leader made no attempt to answer this valid and important question, as might be expected from someone who is supposedly Leader of the Opposition.

The lady questioner later reported to our correspondent that she had expected Mr Cameron to express his opposition to the non-teaching of British history in schools, and that he would take the opportunity to explain his education policy.

“He did no such thing,” the lady said. “I went to the meeting as a Tory, but after that display, I will now be voting BNP. At least you get direct, straight answers on their policy positions.”

J Davis

Our ancestors wouldn't even have understood the concept of 'racism'. Within living memory it was perfectly normal to feel that Britishness was 'in the genes' and that we -and any other - indigenous people have a right to exclusive enjoyment of the lands our ancestors cultivated and died for.

The authorities have brainwashed us for decades with the deeply spiteful notion that our healthy preference for a nation that feels like an extended family is 'Nazi'. They've even kindly informed us that since we're just a 'mongrel nation of immigrants' it isn't a crime against humanity to overwhelm us with mass immigration.

We ARE a true indigenous people, with as much right to survive as Tibetans, Nigerians or any other nation. And we have a right to vote for any party that puts out ethnic interests first.

It's the same right I have to keep the house I worked for as my own family's home, rather than have billeted on me a non-related family who did nothing to build that house.

Fortunata

Well done Fraser, this (non-white) 'Briton' has just marked her ballot for the BNP. Among other things, it's been the faux outrage exhibited by the chattering classes that decided it for me. I realized years ago that I no longer felt comfortable walking down my own London street, because I couldn't do the simple (and harmless)things I take for granted here in the US: walk my dog, wear a pair of (long) shorts and watch the sun go down with a glass of wine. White flight? Not really, but there's a lot of muttering amongst the ex-pats here. I don't want to live in Englandistan, that's all. Mass Islamic immigration has led to war in every country that they've infiltrated and I've no wish to watch my children grow up in 7th-century sexual apartheid.
There's a lot of cultural bullying going on, mostly under the radar of the mainstream media, that's all about Muslims bullying the non-white minorities who happen to live among them. I've had enough. I don't think the BNP will ever wield enough power to change things overnight, but if it's a wake-up call to the so-called 'respectable' parties, I'll be happy.

Laughlan Randal

Fraser Nelson talks about the paradox; 'the less racist Britain becomes the more popular the racist (BNP) becomes'. Hmmm?... what hits me is the fundamental non-sequitur's in his argument; that the BNP may receive 800 000 votes in the election despite Britain becoming ‘less racist’. Not sure where one finds the latest British Racist Index ... but that aside, if you agree with his opinion that BNP is indeed racist, then surely having 800 000 more of their supporters around suggests that, well, the opposite is true?! FN relies on the shock value of that most powerful PC weapon – the accusation of ‘racism’. (Stand aside ‘child abuser', 'rapist', ‘murderer’…) Now I don’t live in the UK nor am I British but my basic understanding of this democracy thing is that everyone gets to vote for a legally registered party and the results reflect the will of the people. FN’s article suggests that he is uncomfortable with this principle.

paul gilboy

What did you expect to find fraser, people are only rational agents thats why we have families communities & nation.
These formulations are there through rational self interest.
The understanding of this is the basis of conservatism.
That conservatism was built into the labour party for many generations.
Its a bit late for politicians to wake up and say to themselves rational self interest could have some thing to do with the phenomena!
And your right if you listen to the language in the pub the BNP are being discussed in a rational way.
The forthcoming elections will give us an indicator on the mood of the people.
I personally don't think the BNP will make significant inroads in the local elections as that is too personal to the electorate. But significant wins in europe is a distinct possibility.
An incoming conservative govt must get a grip with mass immigration, not least because the indigenous ethnic populations are baring the brunt of this tidal wave.

William

The Politicians have forced minorities sympathy's far too quickly, I now feel that my country is know under threat from militants who don't want to integtrate with my country but expect my country to integrate with theirs, This government has ruined the British way of life and has pushed the normally tollerant Briton to the brink of despair.
I never thought that during my life time we would see what is happening to our country.
William Torquay

colin

The article is so glaringly biased as to be pathetic.The comments are most revealing and if Cameron has any sense he will learn much from them.
The BNP are the only party with the guts to listen to the people and brush aside all the PC rubbish that infects the three major parties.So long as this continues ,BNP will flourish,and dservedly so.

Redvers

Another good article.

But the comments show that racism is alive and well in the UK. Many people leaving comments have learned the same trick that the BNP has - don't use obviously racist language, but still get your point across.

Sad

Rob Smith

This article contains much nonsense - the BNP have a terrible record in local government. In Barking and Dagenham their councillors rarely turn up for meetings or surgeries - despite claiming the full lot of expenses. On the GLA their representative Richard Barnbrook hasnt done much apart from posture and appear in fancy dress - he hasnt made a press release since last October, and spends the time he is paid to work for Londoners, touring the UK campaigning for the BNP. The BNP have no track record of competence, while the charges of racism are still valid - ie Nick Griggins recent statement that black players should not be in the England team.

Steve

‘It’s not racist to defend your people, your culture and identity when it is [under] attack,’
It most certainly is not, in fact, its what is expected of your political representatives.

I am not BNP, nor am I tory, labour or lib-dem, nor UKIP either. What I am is concerned about the direction that the UK is moving in.

Immigration is a major issue, no matter that the trendy left wing would that it was not. People are concerned, worried, frightened even that their way of life, their culture and their country are being changed around them and they have no say in the matter. Islamic immigration is the main point. Why do so many Muslims even want to come to a Christian country, why do we welcome them (officially) so much? On the whole, they do not want to accept our culture, they appear to not want to integrate so why are they here? Surely they would be happier, more accepted, more culturally at ease in a Muslim country, of which there are a number. So whats the attraction? Work - not a lot of that available. Climate - most are accustomed to a hotter climate than UK. Freedom to dress and behave in a 'western' fashion - they dont.
So again, why?

Iftikhar

It is absurd to say that institutional racism is dead. It is still alive in the form of Islamophobia. . One of the deepest expressions of institutional racism affecting immigrant communities, and one that has been long documented is the unequal treatment of their children by the education system. They are motivated, but knocked back by their experiences of the school system. They are often treated more harshly and viewed with lower teacher expectation on the basis of teachers’ assumptions about their motivation and ability.

LAs are failing in their duty to combat racism in schools, according to OFSTED, Education system exhibits “aspects of racism”. A quarter of authorities are not doing enough to promote equal educational opportunities. A Brighton University study found that the Britain education system is institutionally racist, with pupils and teachers vulnerable to abuse by peers, teachers and management. I discovered the element of racism in early 70s. National Curriculum does not reflect cultural diversity and minority pupils are being held back by native teachers. London Borough of Newham was judged by OFSTED as unsatisfactory in tackling racism. There are big issues about racism in schools needed to be tackled but could not understand that Bilingual Muslim pupils need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. It is a crime against humanity to deprive a child of his mother tongue but in the name of integration every thing is fair. Independent schools are also racist in nature. The parents of a Pakistani boy who was racially abused by his classmates and teachers are suing St. Christopher School.

Education report by Birmingham Advisory Service recommends that school lessons should take into account cultural differences in order to improve pupils’ performance. It calls for teaching “the need for mutual respect and understanding”. Minority pupils are underachieving at school because the curriculum is racist. The study found lessons often failed to motivate or interest pupils because curriculum did not provide enough positive role models. The curriculum needs to be more balanced and less Eurocentric. Pupils grow up thinking there is no other playwright than Shakespeare. An ethnicity “Tsar” should be appointed to reform British schooling. Muslim schools performed best overall, although they constitute only a fraction of the country’s 7000 schools. Muslim schools do well because of their Islamic ethos and a focus on traditional discipline and teaching methods. They teach children what is right and what is wrong, because young children need structural guidance. Muslim school is responsible for the development of the whole child. Muslim schools give Muslim children “pride, identity and a sense of culture and languages.
Iftikhar Ahmad
www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

Stephen Gash

I fail to see why the BNP should gratuitously insult pigs by comparing them to MPs, so it won't be getting my vote.

S. Williamson

Cliche after cliche, "far right", "racist", people aren't listening tho that rubbish anymore. The internet has taken away the censorship power of the media, and people are seeing things for themselves. The BNP are not even right wing, let alone "far right", and they are no more "racist" than the so called politically correct white hating liberals.

I hope the BNP get all their EU candidates elected on June 4, they will definitely get my vote.

Stephen Gash

Craig Pond wrote:
"So Fraser, you're right and everyone else is wrong?!
You are an egotistical d**k."
I don't think he will be claiming expenses from the Spectator for his second home in the middle of that Scottish pond, though.

Edward

E.J.Thribb aged 55 and a half
May 29 : 1.15a.m.:
"After reading this article and comments, I have come to the conclusion that I must be a racist".

Dear Mr Thribb,
Do not despair. Look on the bright side. There are worse things in life.
At least you're not an M.P.

Old Soldier

The sad truth of the matter is that a great many readers of this title, like those of its sister title, The Daily Telegraph, and its soulmate the awful Daily Mail, are strong supporters of the racist BNP because, despite all their equivocation and "well some foreigners are ok" talk, they are at heart racists themselves.

Daniel Lionsden

It is bad enough to hear the nonsense phrase "far right" banded about in the liberal media but to see it in the spectator is unforgivable. Daniel Hannon on last night's Question time was quite correct in calling the BNP's statist protectionist agenda as far left. The term far right should be preserved for ultra-conservatives and perhaps uber capitalists. The BNP are neither of these things. They, like their heroes, are national socialists.

Stephen Gash

Iftikhar @ 11:56am wrote
"It is absurd to say that institutional racism is dead. It is still alive in the form of Islamophobia."
That's the good thing about Islamophobia, you can choose what race you want to be. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a stunningly beautiful black Kenyan woman used to be a Muslim. She left Islam and is now one of its most vociferous opponents. She became Chinese at the same time. Still gorgeous though.

itstrueekse

Down here in Mandelaland we know all about racism - we practically invented it. But here it is still - and probably always will be - ok to talk about it. The mainstream parties in the UK have all colluded into not talking about it - because it gives offence? No, because a huge chunk of their electors are now not of 'ehnic' extraction. The BNP is becoming popular because they are addressing the issue honestly and openly and by not treating the electorate as imbeciles - the most fundamental error any party can make in a democracy.

Stephen J

I can't help but feel the sneer of Mr Nelson when he thinks of British people wanting to keep a hold of their culture and identity. What is wrong with that exactly?

I am not talking about race either, which should rightly be irrelevant. We as a nation have been gradually loosing all concept of what and who we are. Under the guise of multiculturalism and political correctness, we are socially obliged to look down on anyone claiming pride in old-fashioned British values. This is just wrong. Unfortunately, this is allowing the far right to gain ground.

My fiancée is Indian and I hope the BNP don't do well but I can certainly feel the frustrations of those who consider them an alternative.

Matt Ward

Let me get this straight. The BNP gets most of its votes from leftist strongholds, but because Thatcher pre-empted the National Front 30 years ago, the BNP is more of a rightist phenomenom.

When are people going to accept that fascism, if that's what this is, is a leftist ideology, not a rightist one?

Stephen Gash

Old Soldier @ 1:30pm wrote:
'... despite all their equivocation and "well some foreigners are ok" talk, they are at heart racists themselves.'
I suppose even that's better than being pathologically pompous though; but I wouldn't know, of course.
I do know that the days of people cowering before an accusation of racism are long past and it is time to start talking like grown-ups if we are to avoid a return to the 1930s.
The 1930s weeds sprouted from the seeds of depression. Oh look! What do we have now.

And what are we hearing now? The same stale rhetoric that slung us into this depression from the same stale parties.

Lumping all English nationalists in with the BNP for example is just going to fuel a rise in the BNP. English nationalism is here to stay, and is the fruit of devolution. Sensible people had better get on board, and quickly, because pomposity and hurling insults at people scared for their future are not going to win the day.

English people are heatily sick of hearing "we know what's best for you" from this corrupt cabal in Westminster. The expenses scandal is just the final straw.

All trust in politicians, the criminal justice system, big business and, it has to be said, the media, has gone. Couple this with people losing their jobs to imported labour, while at the same time seeing jobs exported, as with Hewlett Packard this week, then expect to see civil unrest like that in the '30s.

By the way, we are already fighting a war, of the nastiest kind. The Tamil Tiger tragedy in Sri Lanka will be repeated over and again. That is the kind of perpetual war we are in. That conflict has been going on for a generation without much media reporting, and could only have been stopped in the way it was. When terrorist groups insinuate themselves in civilian communities, from which to launch attacks, then the only way to finally stop it, is by uncompromising military action.

Get used to it, for that is what we now have.

The whole of the EU is swinging to the right, largely because the ordinary people have had their opinions stifled by the self-styled liberal left, who are anything but liberal.

PC, does not mean 'political correctness' it means 'population control' and any dissent is met with a barrage of legislation. This has never worked in the past and it won't work now.

One thing people in England will not tolerate, is sharia law, no matter what the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Lord Chief Justice say.

People now know the thin end of the wedge means social division. The race card has led to mass immigration. Sharia tribunals are just the thin end of the wedge that thickens to stoning, multiple (and beaten) underage wives and hanging homosexuals.

People realise this. They no longer respect the establishment and are beginning to demand their voices be heard - or else.

The only way to stop a swing to the 'far right' (is hanging homosexuals far right?) is to channel discontent and nationalism into positive actions.

Diversity has meant nothing but exclusivity and it has been the English who have been excluded.

This article was about the BNP, which is British, not English. Yet the media would have us believe it is solely English. Look at the BNP's London Assembly campaign and you will see Scottish, Welsh and Irish flags, not only the English flag.

The media telling the truth about English nationalism, for once would be refreshing.

Frank Goddard

It appears that I have been censored by Fraser because of my disagreement to his article.
I was only putting my point of view as a right of centre conservative,and agreed with alot of things that the BNP are saying.It appears that MIGRATION IS going to be a very important debate and it is not going to go away.But the ordinary man in the street will be once more ignored in preference to the focus groups!!!
Frank Goddard....English pensioner..

Brian Taylor

Oh, Fraser, I'm beginning to think you must be like these now disgraced MPs, living in splendid isolation far away from the hoi polloi.
Those useless third-raters in Parliament have delivered the working classes into the arms of the BNP because - in their arrogance and isolation - they scorned for so long the needs and hopes of the indigenous white working class.
What those dopey archbishops don't get who opined this week that they hoped the expenses scandal didn't drive the voters to the BNP - it's not seeking revenge so much for that scandal but because they want to punish those MPs for years and years of FAILED policies that have brought this country to its knees!

Matt Parrott

Is the BNP "posturing" as the tribunes of working people? Or are they perhaps the sole defenders of Britain's indigenous working class? Are you implying that they don't have the interests of British people at heart? At the very least, can you not at the very least grant them the possibility of being sincere in their (allegedly sinister) goal of defending Britain's indigenous working class?

John Lawrence

It is more disturbing to me that government is beating down ethnic pride if it happens to be white.

Every voice should be included in the debate.

Colonial

If I walked around in a T-shirt with swastika on it, seigheiling and proclaiming the wisdom of National Socialism, I'd be in a cell awaiting my appearance in court - this assuming I had not been burnt on Hampstead Heath.

Waving red banners with a hammer and sickle, wearing a T-shirt with Marx or Stalin on it and belonging to the Communist Party is however all rather chic and trendy.

And yet when it comes to plumbing the depths of repulsive human behaviour the Communists could be argued to lead history and to be in front of the Nazis by a short head.

The human being has a quite amazing ability when it comes to logic failure and to head, with enthusiasm and not a moments doubt, down the most bizarre of behavioural cul de sacs.

B Jenkins

Oh I do hope so, the discredited parties need to get rid of the greedy self important little horrors. Perhaps one big kick in the lower regions is what is needed to achieve this. I shall certainly vote BNP.

June Smith

How to protect the precious and hard-won values of Britain? Easy. Don't allow 'tolerance' to be interpreted as 'take-over ready'. In trying to accommodate traditions and belief systems of immigrants, don't allow your own to be destroyed. Just as you would welcome someone into your home, endeavour to make them feel at home - but never allow them to dictate or alter your family way of life. Britain is in danger of being shaken apart, if this fundamental fact is not grasped......shame, after hundreds of years of blood spilled to make it one great, unified, tolerant, law-abiding entity......where so many people want to come to live. If you don't want to lose something precious - be prepared to defend it.

Denis Cooper

Right, this is how I'm looking at it.

Come June 4th, I will definitely not be voting Tory, Labour or LibDem. All three of those parties are institutionally anti-patriotic and anti-democratic parties, and all of them are controlled by shysters, no better than the cheap, despicable, con artists who in other contexts regularly and rightly end up behind bars.

That includes the new Tory idol, Cameron, who has already forfeited the benefit of the doubt and shown himself up as being totally untrustworthy.

In 1999 I helped UKIP here in the South East euro-region, because I wanted Nigel Farage to gain a public position which would entitle him to a voice in the mass media.

The same in 2004, even though by then it had become clear that he had little interest in building an effective, well-organised, expanding, grassroots party to advance the case against EU membership.

This time I will "send him a message", albeit just one vote among millions, a scrawled message in a bottle lost in a vast ocean, that I am angry at the way he has wasted the opportunities won for him by the strenuous efforts of grassroots UKIP supporters.

So ... this time I thought maybe I'd save myself the trouble of voting, or maybe I'd vote for the Greens.

I'm strongly opposed to some core elements of the Green ideology, but in this euro-region "Green" = "Caroline Lucas", and I'd infinitely prefer to have Caroline Lucas as a member of the EU Parliament, with a public platform from which she could express her sincerely held concerns about the destruction of democracy by the EU, rather than have a two-faced closet euro-federalist creep like James Elles, unjustifiably wangled into the fourth place on the Tory list by his fellow two-faced closet euro-federalist creep Francis Maude, with the express connivance of Cameron.

But now, I don't know.

I'm strongly opposed to some core elements of the BNP ideology, but now it seems to me that the election of a clutch of BNP MEPs could be the best way to deliver a much-needed and well-deserved bloody hard kick up the complacent, self-satisfied, self-serving, arses of Brown, Cameron, and Clegg.

I'm sick of them, sick of them, sick of them; and nothing that any journalist writes will convince me that I should kick the BNP, rather than kicking them - and kicking them as hard as possible, so that it hurts as much as possible.

A real conservative

An interesting article, but woefully ignorant of the testing times ahead. Alain de botton, in Standpoint, stated that we're entering an age where we'll be questioning the merits of liberalism and an age where we reaffirm identity - now identity is incredibly important, it's what imbues our lives with meaning; this entire article is littered with allusions to civic identity which is vacuous, capricious and ecumenical. Ethnicity - whether you like it or not - is a part of identity, in-fact, it is the only signifier of a profound meaning, thus denigrating any man who talks about it as if he were adumbrating an idea of 'racial purity' is completely infantile.

And I'm not a member of the BNP, I'm a member of the Conservative party and hold conservative views on the subject, I'm 22 years old and am free-thinking enough to see through this mediocre trash regarding identity and culture.

Verity

Stephen Gash, Aayan Hirsi Ali, who is most certainly stunning looking, is not a "Kenyan woman". She is a Somali. The family moved to Kenya when she was small. She tried to get into Holland as a refugee, having disembarked from a plane in Amsterdam on the way to an arranged marriage in Canada, and tried to claim asylum. But Kenya is a democracy with no history of abuses of human rights, so the application didn't wash.

I think she managed to bring Somalia into it somehow, and got granted asylum and went on to be elected to Parliament. She has a complicated past. She has done excellent work exposing Islam, partly in partnership with the murdered Theo Van Gogh.

Michael

Fraser Nelson seems to be stuck in the self-regarding classes obsession that 'racism' - or more exactly their own frantic fetish over 'black' people - is the dividing line between their own superior education, intelligence and morality and the great unwashed upon whom they take great pleasure (sometimes tinged by hand-wringing anxiety as here) in looking down.

By contrast 'ordinary people' are much more pragmatic and rational. If immigrants are decent and try to fit in then they are welcomed and integrated. If they are a lot of criminals seeking to grab and extort everything they can (sometimes aided by the Human Rights Act) then the sooner they depart the better.

The problem is not with the BNP and those disposed to vote for them, but with those chattering classes who have decided that they are really too good to be part of the country that their ancestors built for them. The problem this country faces is precisely this desertion out of cowardice, snobbery and conceit by the very people who ought to be exercising leadership by being proud of their country instead of despising it.

MikeF

The bottom line in all of this is that the 'racism' of the BNP, which is doubtless real enough under the surface, is merely the inversion of the 'anti-racism' of the socialist/liberal-left. Both are obsessed with ethnicity. Both emphasise difference. Both have an ideological interest in doing so - in the first case because of a racial antipathy to people with different coloured skins, in the second because of a cultural antipathy to established, mainstream, western identity. The 'multiculturalism' of the left is ultimately little more than a figleaf for a dsiplaced self-loathing. But it is, of course, also bolstered by a more material self-interest - all the opportunity for money-making and indulgence in control freakery that is offered by the 'diversity' industry.

The only way out of this is through a new form of 'non-racist' politics that emphasises attitudes and beliefs in values such as tolerance and fairplay - not group identity and historic grievance. That will only happen if people refuse to be pigeon-holed according to ethnocentric, multiculturalist criteria. People must point blank refuse to described as 'white British' or 'black British'. Instead they should say that they are English or Scottish or Welsh. I can tell you I do.

Now if David Cameron wants to introduce a really radical measure should the Conservatives win power how about banning the collection of information relating to ethnic identity in all contexts except those of the National Census and personal medical records. That would be a start and deprived of the raw material of their profession all those diversity managers employed by public authorities might have to get themselves a real job.

Tabitha Knowles

The BNP are not racist get your facts right. This article has obviously been written by one of Gordon Browns buddies who don't know a thing about the BNP.
If the BNP were to take over it would be exactly what England needs to get on its feet again.
Why do you think we are in a recession? Because of the money we are handing out to immigrants!

PJ Ogilvie

"The rise of British racism may be horribly close"
Are we suprised? Only the chattering classes, I dare say. Would that Auberon Waugh were still with us to tell the New Establishment that it has no clothes.

Michael Woods

Rubbish establishment-inspired article. First rate response to it by discerning readers.

Julie T

What's the difference between Nick Griffin and Barack Obama?

One's interested in the wrong kind of racism, the other is interested in the Reverend Jeremiah Wright kind of racism.

Once the mainstream media sanctioned Obama, they gave the nod to Griffin.

Why complain now?

David

May I ask what is racist about saying that I want to protect my way of life/customs, my belives/religion/Faith, history of my Nation,my Culture,my language/Freedom of speech/Democracy our head of state,The Queen. This is our country we have nowhere else to go we were born here our fathers and Grandfathers fought for our freedom/Democracy.If they call me racist if I belive in the above comments then so be it. It also follows that evey Nationlist in the UK Welsh,Scotish and Irish are also racist they all believe in most of the above comments.It is time the political parties the media and all remember the above. I am a Welshman and I think the English are also a race that belong in the UK.

Lee John Barnes

I find it perverse in the extreme that the Corporate Media bestow upon themselves the exclusive right to excercise their right to free speech and attack the BNP in their publications, yet never actually bother to study the BNP, its policies or manifesto or allow the BNP a right to comment.

The BNP are in fact the only non-fascist party in the UK as John Pilger in his article "Britain: the depth of corruption" explains, in that the BNP are not part of the Two Party Corporate State system.

Perhaps one day the media will actually bother to ask us some interesting and probing questions on what we actually stand for rather than indulging in asinine Ad Hominem attacks, pathetic perjoratives and infantile abuse.

I, and no doubt the majority of your readers want to hear what the BNP actually say, rather then having to read the latest trite rhetorical nonsense that is peddled as journalism these days.

If we are as thick and stupid as the media insist we are - then why the total fear of actually bothering to listen to what we have to say and then responding. Are modern journalists not able to do journalism anymore, so merely indulge in abuse disguised as crypto-journalism.

The public are sick of both the politicians and the media bodyguard that defend them and the Two Party Corporate State with boring anti-BNP lies.

Stephen Gash

Verity
May 29th, 2009 3:04pm
Verity wrote: "Aayan Hirsi Ali, who is most certainly stunning looking, is not a "Kenyan woman". She is a Somali."
She's Chinese now she is an Islamophobe. Get your facts right.

Bill Rees

Anyone who thinks it will only be the deprived working class that votes BNP is sadly mistaken. It's amazing how many dinner parties hosted by middle class people are raising the issue, and finding that they sympathise with the BNP because of its stance on Islam.
Multiculturalism (or, more accurately, bi-culturalism) is the thing that is adding fuel to the BNP fire

Mark Adrian Solomon

Fraser you really urgently need to go back to school if you think that a fascist party is 'Far Right'. Stop swallowing and unquestioningly propagating the Left's lies. Fascism and Communism are both on the political left, both extreme offshoots of socialism fighting over the same political patch, both products of the First World War. Mussolini, who founded the Fascists, was a radical socialist. Nazi is short for National Socialist - in contrast to the Communists who were International Socialists. In political methods, in the belief in the transformative power of a central state and a strong leader, in their contempt for democracy, capitalism and free market economics and in the socio-economic groups and areas they draw their support from, fascists are firmly and clearly of the political LEFT.

Stop doing the Right a misservice by propagating this wretched lie.

Alexander

MikeF:

Whenever I am confronted with a form which asks me for race, I always select Other and describe myself as:

Human

The only way to break the back of this pernicious attempt to divide us into subgroups for a "divide and conquer" purposes is to refuse to play the game.

logdon

A couple of years ago I visited a small West Midlands market town to buy a guitar amp from one of the limited dealers of this particular brand of hand built delight.

Entering his small, dark cottage I was reminded of a time gone by, chintz sofa and curtains, family pictures on every available flat surface and an elderly man whose passion for the instruments he sold which breathed off every word he spoke.

We chatted endlessly about the amazing collection of Custom Shop Fenders and Gibsons he had in stock and the pros and cons of each.

As for the amp, he reassured me that he used the very same model when playing in local pubs in a duo together with his daughter. I was impressed. A father and daughter musical duo, playing rural Mississippi and urban Chicago blues in the Midlands, indeed?

No doubt he'd patiently taught her to play and she'd picked up the bug. Not quite the feral teen binge drinking woman we read about on a constant basis, she gigged a couple of times each week with her very own dad.

I think you get the picture I’m attempting to portray.

We then haggled a bit then the cash had to be sought. Together we walked to the town centre just down the road to a cashpoint and I just could not help but notice the huge number of Muslim girls, black clad in either headscarves or full burqa’s or niqba’s ambling around the shops. No whites amongst them. No sign of integration. No mingling with other races, they were a self contained group quite ignoring the ways of the land in which they or their parents had settled.

They easily outnumbered the whites by around two to one and culturally the old indigenous population was swamped. I casually mentioned this phenomena, asking how long this established English town had been changed. His muttered succinct answer, ‘I vote BNP’, silenced me.

The paradox of worshipping a unique style of American Negro folk music whilst simultaneously voting for a party whose racism is an automatic suffix when any mention of it’s name comes up?

My conclusion? Undoubtedly he was obviously no racist in the old sense of the term, so another stimulus was at play. I guess to watch a town you have grown up in to morph via deliberate government policy into a visual annex of Pakistan must trouble such a traditionalist.

Both main parties have either ignored this or encouraged what they imagine would be a guaranteed voting bloc and isn’t that the insidious problem these voters face?

Wafted away as stick in the mud racists these people are pretty much helpless in determining the kind of environment they have inhabited for years, rather the impression they garner is that no one cares.

Voilla, in come the BNP with the answer and in a way who can blame them if they are swayed into voting for a party with their concerns at the core?

It’s oh so easy for our featherbedded MP’s and ministers living in two or three homes, high on the hog on taxpayer money to decry this voting trend but they don’t have to live in areas transformed beyond all recognition by massive, uncontrolled immigration.

Them and us? Too bloody right and now the expenses revellations are bringinging it all home to roost.

They’re all now waffling on about ‘people power’ but it would take an extremely naive person to actually believe one single word they utter. Seeing is believing is the new mantra.

This is the position of British politics after 12 disastrous years of Labour social meddling and deception. No faith in our rulers. A disconnect which will take years to remedy. A country with population pockets changed irrevocably beyond all recognition.

We didn’t ask for any of this, rather it has been enforced by a beligerent nanny state which would brook no dissent. Now they’re staring into the abyss of being well and truly removed they flap and semi denuflect as if they are our best friends.

They most certainly are not, in fact the opposite. Labour’s only best friend is Labour itself and the self serving petards are being hoisted double quick.

If the BNP do get a Euro seat will it be the end of the world? I doubt it. Rather the bow warning of there is an alternative will be shot and has to be heeded.

Now that is real people power.

logdon

@Stephen Gash
May 29th, 2009 5:31pm

Verity is correct. She's Somalian. Read her books before firing off ignorant idiocy.

Peter Charnley.

Fraser Nelson writes:-
"Harriet Harman summoned Labour, the Tories and the Lib Dems to a joint platform against the BNP last month, it was publicity that Griffin could not have bought."

This quote from Fraser Nelson's article provides the solution to the 'troubling paradox' he refers to perfectly.

It involves the words 'hatred', 'extremism' and 'antithesis'. The far Right is a grotesque exaggeration of the truth of human difference and is primarily motivated by a frenzied, fanatical hatred of 'the other' - whatever it chooses to focuss upon, be it race, class, nationality etc. The far Left is an equally grotesque denial of this truth and is primarily motivated, particularly in its modern form, by an equally frenzied and fanatical hatred of normality and 'the self'.

Harriet Harman is an ideologically extremist and unbalanced woman who is widely known as one of the key architects of a parliamentary Bill that has recently been given the green light to move forward and provide legality to open discrimination within the professions and in the wider workplace against white males. The 'Equality Bill' uses terminology that attempts to veil this. But for millions of people that feeble 'veil' is totally transparent.

The ilk of Harriet Harman is as destructive and hateful as anything the far Right have on display or attempt to hide under the table. The venom that emanates from her is openly aimed at people who are becoming increasingly aware of their own vulnerability at the hands of these presently powerful left wing fanatics and are fearful for themselves, their families and their communities. And any group that people like Harriet Harman attack will consequently appear benign.

Extremism and hatred always creates its own antithesis. History repeatedly demonstrates this.

The Harriet Harmans of this world are indeed the best canvassers the far Right could ever have - because people like Harman are every bit as inhuman.

Reimer

Michael
May 29th, 2009 3:22pm

"Fraser Nelson seems to be stuck in the self-regarding classes obsession that 'racism' is the dividing line between their own superior education, intelligence and morality and the great unwashed upon whom they take great pleasure (sometimes tinged by hand-wringing anxiety as here) in looking down."

Well said. Among other things, the cluster of values used as markers by the left/lib metro types is useful for continued differentiation of themselves from those who can now afford some of the material goods & services that used to be the elite's preserve. The managers must keep the managed in their place.

A (relatively) stable homeland to a handful of peoples, transformed in a few decades into a zone for economic activity, growing patches of which are so socially diffuse & rancorous it requires postmodern upgrades of Eastern bloc-type control to keep the lid on it all. Incredible. Nightmarish.

Verity

Stephen Gash, I agreed with your penultimate post. Regarding your last post, you seem to share a misunderstanding of the word 'phobic' with Iftikhar. Aayan Hirsi Ali is not Islamophobic. I think her brave actions in Amsterdam prove to us beyond any doubt that she definitely does not fear Islam. She is an apostate, which she has avowed publically. She doesn't sound scared to me.

Frank Goddard, I also had a comment that didn't appear, so assume James on was the censorship desk.

Francis

David Short, thanks very much for expliaining how to put it all on one page - it has been really irritating me not being able to and makes it very hard to follow.

D FELLER

I WONDER IF OLE FRASER LOST HIS JOB TO AN IMMIGRANT MAKING A LOT LESS MONEY THAT JUST MAYBE HE MIGHT HAVE A BIT OF A DIFFERENT VIEW !!??

rhory fraser

Fraser Nelson, the Westminster Village reporter, goes on a walk in the real world and, er, doesn't understand it.

Britain not racist? Don't make me laugh. Go and talk to the people of Blackburn, Stoke, Dagenham - the few remaining white people in inner London. You haven't got a clue, because you're a cosseted little twerp who spends his time with other cosseted little twerps in a rat's nest of political back rubs

logdon

Try this for a bit of sense. It quite neatly covers the whole shebang.

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/earticle/6750/

Grahamc

A quick flick thru the internet reveals that this Fraser Nelson is both Scottish and composed an article last year ' David Cameron a serious man for servious times'.
Based on these two observations I do not think that one needs draw any comments about this article on the BNP.

St Bruno

I’ve been watching the British political scene since I first tried to understand what was going on, round about 1960ish. I still can’t get to grips with the heavy class divide that’s still there in all walks of life. Soon to be a racist divide as well? I’ve had no say in the way things have ever gone, and even more in the last ten or so years. What I can only say is that the establishment parties are useless in representing the average English/British person and even more so today after or during the ‘expenses’ saga. If there is to be ever any confidence in our establishment the MPs who have been seen to be in the wrong should resign now, today, no matter what they think and walk away. If people want to vote for the BNP, why not put forward some kind of argument against rather than treating us as sheep who should know better. Voice of the people? I suppose because this New Labour government is left wing anything that opposes it must be right-wing and the stronger the opposition the more right-wing. WW2 propaganda left-wing Stalin, right-wing Hitler. Simple.

Barry taylor

You can really only be "Tolerant" if you were consulted regarding whatever issue offends you.
The British public have never been consulted regarding immigration - The big parties agreeing between themselves to "ignore the issue"
(All the time promoting immigration to please their globalist sponsors)

The game is up

Steven

The real problem here is not the racial views of a fringe party, but the fact the main parties do so little for the people they are supposed to represent. The rise of the BNP is the part of the same problem of the Perks scandal. The politicians aren't doing their job, so someone else who hears the frustration is offering to take the job off their hands. Which would usually be a good idea. It is the essence of democracy. The disappearance of the national front in Thatcher's time was, as the author noted, due to the fact Thatcher got the message. Nobody in Whitehall is at home now, so the BNP is going to deliver the message the hard way.

Caroline Carter

The BNP's policies are far less fascist than this current thieving government's are.
It is time for a real change so let's give the BNP a chance. Hopefully they will stand up to the EU criminals robbing us blind if not vote them out next time around.

Conker Burnish

I agree,racism isn't a defining characteristic of the British. But after 12 years of New Labour's polytechnic marxism which, by default, presumes that white is a synomym for racist is it any wonder that some are turning to the BNP for representation after 12 years of having their non-racist concerns taken seriously.

I hope that Fraser Nelson turns his attention as to just what it is about New Labour's ideology and policies that has bought about the rise of the BNP.

David

Frazer what rubbish you write. Not a day goes by what many consider the British way of life our culture, heritage, tradition, symbols and icon seem to be constantly under attack by the liberal-left and these people have a point one cannot honestly deny that. People need to really ask themeslves why the BNP is on the rise and doing well for a party denied access to the mainstream media, and lets be really honest here mis-reported by the like of you!!It needs to be done now because once they get access and they will to programme such as Question Time there will be many red faces when the BNP can speak for themselves The BNP are as one with the true feeling of the British people Labour is hopelessly out of touch. Labour on the 4th of June will get that well overdue political kicking it so richly deserves.

Rhoda Klapp

114 comments as I write, almost all challenging the article in soem way. Few supporters. Most of all no racist ranting, unless there was a ton of it moderated (may we be told how much?).

Most of what is there is cogently argued. Not much in support of the BNP itself, but understanding why amyone might wish to put thie vote their in a no-risk toy election. To send a message.

First, this requires an answer from the various groups who denigrate the BNP (the root of denigrate is so inappropriate the word should be banned). The aprties who have failed to answer the questions and can only attack the BNP by name-calling. The media who fall for their game. The conspiracy to keep the concerns and aspirations of a large group of the electorate beyond the pale. The various shamelessly anti-democratic tactics have failed.

This deserves another article, you can't leave it there, with such a gulf between the folks and the establishment.

Graham Young

Perhaps, if we had BNP Euro MPs we might get to hear what they have to say, instead of being lectured on why we should not vote for them. Denying them any place to discuss their case is the true fascism. Oh, how terrible, they support the death penalty; you mean like the majority of the population? Voting BNP is the best way of showing your disgust with the Westminster village.

Frank Goddard

Fraser,Hello!!!
I am still waiting for an explanation as to why my "Blog" was not published!!!
Frank Goddard....English penshioner....

peter

As a loyal Spectator reader for many years I will not be buying this edition and I wont be buying any more for quite a while. This is vile propaganda against the only party which attempts to stop the destruction of our nation. What you should be asking is who is paying for the co ordinated anti BNP propaganda from every outlet of the MSM and establishment. Now that would make an interesting story.

Pete Hoskin

Frank Goddard: I look after all the comments on the site.

Sometimes they don't get through to us for a variety of technical reasons. I suspect that has happened in this case, as the only comments from you in our system are the ones which already showing. Apologies.

Maybe try resending? If you have problems in future, you can always email me on phoskin @ spectator.co.uk and I'll happily look into it.

Snuggles

We already have a Bunch of Facists in Westminster.

I note that you choose to ignore this FACT in your article Here!

"There are none so blind as those that will not see"

Peace!

Richy BoNaParte

You speak from the cosiness of your ivory tower. Lucky for you, you have a voice through the spectator and your stints on sky. But you don't fool anybody, you are a child of the liblabcon totalitarian regime. The BNP are what many of electorate seek, without the BNP there is no choice in politics.

Simon

The Liberal press is too quick to attack any sympathy for Nationalist causes, after all it is sympathy not full blown support. The national showing of teeth can be a catylist of good as we have seen in Luton wereby Moderates Muslims are finaly taking a stand against Islamic Fundamentalism. We shouldnt be worried about a bit of nationalist teeth gnashing

Jerome Davis

Rhoda, There is no seceret agenda and the British National Party are already mainstream, with a complete manifesto of policies just like the other parties.

Redvers

The Rise of British Racism may be Horribly Close

Fraser, do you read the comments that follow your articles? I can only echo what others have said - the responses on here have been overwhelmingly negative to your point of view and, interestingly, have used the same words and arguments that the BNP uses itself. We don't know how many responses were more extreme and never made it onto this blog.

Face it Fraser. British racism is alive and well among the people who visit this website. I can accept that the Conservative party has moved on, but how many of its supporters have?

Syd Henley

Leanne wrote on May 28th, 2009 3:39pm
"The BNP ban black and Asian people from joining their ranks and espouse the repatriation of legally settled non-white citizens.

Those are the actions of white supremacists."

She is quite correct on her first point, that The BNP ban black and Asian people from joining their ranks.
However, this is NO DIFFERENT from the "Black police association" not allowing White police officers to join. Or "the Muslim Police Association" which only allows muslim police officers to join. Also how many white indigenous British teachers are members of the N.U.T.s "Black Members Section". What about "The Association of Muslim Lawyers" or the "Society of Black Lawyers" and "The Muslim Council of Britain" how many white Brits are allowed to join those anti white racist groups.

Her second point, that the BNP "espouse the repatriation of legally settled non-white citizens" clearly shows that she has only listened to the LIES of the gutter press and their LUNATIC fascist paymasters (the Lib/lab/con, anti British alliance) and has NOT read the BNPs actual policies, which clearly state that:
"we call for the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question".
The BNP have no interest in compulsory repatriation of law abiding immigrants legally in Britain. A BNP government would, repatriate all ILLEGAL immigrants and all BOGUS asylum seekers immediately on their arrival here and repatriate any immigrants CONVICTED of a crime here, on completion of their sentence.
These are sane and sensible policies.

C Peers

Fraser is obviously unaware of the following:

SIX KEY FACTS
Net immigration has quadrupled since 1997 to 237,000 a year.
A migrant now arrives nearly every minute.
We must build a new home every six minutes for new migrants.
England is already the most crowded country in Europe (except Malta)
Immigration will add 7 million to the population of England in the next 20 years - that is 7 times the population of Birmingham.
To keep the population of the UK below 70 million, immigration must be reduced by 75%. Government measures so far may reduce it by 5%.
(From Migration watch)

Ken

Joan Walters:'Fascism IS indeed extinct here'

No its not its called anti-fascism.

David Short

Let me elaborate on my comments earlier over how long it takes to read a Speccie online article because of its terribly bad website design.

This article, the main piece in the issue, is only 2,158 words long.

If you cut and paste it (after using the 'print this article' option to get the entire script without ads and awful bumpf) into the speed reading site, www.spreeder.com, setting it at 300wpm a minute, it will take you not much more than seven minutes to read.

It beats clicking 'next page' seven times....

Matthew Roberts

Why do any of you take this idiot seriously? He is a liberal and therefore by definition incapable of really grasping reality! The BNP is racist blah blah blah. We have heard this drivel constantly and its becoming boring and monotonous. However as has been pointed out in the many excellent replies to such nonsense people are no longer taken in by these slurs, people are no longer concerned about childish name calling. They are concerned about what they see happening to this country, liberals like Frazser live in a constant state of smug self righteous self denial and an appalling and frightening ignorance of human nature.He like all the other liberal loathsome reptiles dont give a damn about the national and cultural identity of this country. Fortunately most people do and they are beginning to realise that the BNP are the only party that can preserve our identity and culture.Lets just ignore these enemies and get on with supporting the BNP. God only knows what will happen to us all if they do not succeed.

Matthew Roberts

Why do any of you take this idiot seriously? He is a liberal and therefore by definition incapable of really grasping reality! The BNP is racist blah blah blah. We have heard this drivel constantly and its becoming boring and monotonous. However as has been pointed out in the many excellent replies to such nonsense people are no longer taken in by these slurs, people are no longer concerned about childish name calling. They are concerned about what they see happening to this country, liberals like Frazser live in a constant state of smug self righteous self denial and an appalling and frightening ignorance of human nature.He like all the other liberal loathsome reptiles dont give a damn about the national and cultural identity of this country. Fortunately most people do and they are beginning to realise that the BNP are the only party that can preserve our identity and culture.Lets just ignore these enemies and get on with supporting the BNP. God only knows what will happen to us all if they do not succeed.

Wilhelm

'' Its like a nation heaping up its own funeral pyre .''

Enoch said it 40 years ago and he was proved 100% correct.

We are constantly told like a pavlovs dog that we live in a multicultural city, blah blah blah by the liberal london cocktail party set.

Its very tiresome, the media are always squeeeeling about the BNP so I looked up their website and they seemed perfectly reasonable and sensible to me.

Tough on crime and stop the open doors immigration,

Ps . Tropical deceases that were wiped out in England in the 1950s are making a come back like TB . One of the benefits of the multicultural society.

Labour , liberals and tories need a good kicking and the only party that hasnt had their snouts in the trough is er, um, the BNP.

Michael

Fraser Nelson,
If you have read the comments your article has provoked then I hope you feel a sense of shame and a belated humility. Maybe you have been taken in, like a lemming, in following the thoughts and actions of the new NuLab/Media elite. If so now is the time for you to look in the mirror and realise that you have allowed yourself to become an enemy of the people of this country. It is time for you to stop parroting the malign slogans of this de facto traitorous conspiracy and to start thinking independently, and with the interests of this country, it's people, their heritage, values and freedoms at the heart of your endeavours.
You are probably taken aback by surprise at this response, just as MPs now are to see how much they are loathed. Get out of that fantasy world while you still have a chance to save your honour.

Jez

This is unprecedented- agreed?

The replies above, about 90% pro-change, pro Britain but not hardcore BNP.

You've got a Tiananmen Square type scenario.

Back then;

failing dogma, oppression of opinion and a mass of support for the authorities to wake up, when regarding the will of a fairly large swathe of the population- this simply down to a catastrophic failure in the (then Communist)system in Eastern Europe, USSR etc.

The same now (-ish)

failing liberal left dogma, oppression of opinion through political correctness and a mass of support for the authorities to wake up to the will of a fairly large swathe of the UK electorate- this simply down to a catastrophic failure in Banking, global and political systems.

This election hasn't happened yet. If somehow the the main three come through this smelling of roses, then (as an opinion) they need to sit down and have a chat together.

Three R's;

Reform, respect and a decent, fair pro British response.

Get on with it!

Eleanor

Let’s be absolutely clear about this, mass immigration into this country was never put in any of the Labour party’s three manifestos.

As far as the Labour Party was concerned, mass immigration could be taken off the radar by putting a chokehold on the voters via the invention of ‘hate’ crimes. ‘Hate’ crimes were presented as a way of prosecuting people for racist abuse (which was already illegal). As ever with Labour, it wasn’t the criminal offence itself the party was interested in so much as the social engineering effect it would have.

It was designed to scare people into never discussing the subject of immigration for fear of being smeared racist.

At a broad surface level, this has worked exactly as the Labour Party wanted it to - many ordinary people are afraid of discussing the subject in company they don‘t know. And what have the mainstream opposition had to say about the biggest ever wave of immigration on to these shores in history (the most momentous thing this government has ever done)? Nothing.

That’s why Barack Obama is trying to copy Labour’s ‘hate’ crimes: you just make people fearful of ever discussing a subject and that means you can do what the hell you like.

Underneath the surface, though, the voters have realised that they’re in a chokehold on this and realise that the only way out of it is to return the chokehold. People tend to speak about this subject only in company they trust.

The only party that says it will do anything to stem and reverse the biggest thing Labour has done is the BNP.

This where ‘hate’ crimes and spineless opposition have led us. When it comes to mass immigration, the public simply ask themselves what other choice do they have?

Verity

Jez writes: "pro Britain but not hardcore BNP." Tell us, Jez, what exactly is "hardcore" BNP? Is it as vicious and destructive as "hard core socialism/communism"?

brian farrell

the reason this pathetic whinge fails to convince is that mr nelson does not even attempt tp address the core issue...why is it RACIST and therefore bad to try to protect your people religion culture and identity? If we had not successfully protected our identity for a thousand years we would not be here to talk about it.

Sam Smith

There is not and never has been any racism in the UK. It's just an excuse used by dodgy minorities to stop anyone pointing out that most of them are here illegally and that they have contributed very little to society; that they are responsible for nearly all the recent teenage murders, and a large chunk of all violent crime. It is a ruse to obtain vast amounts of compensation to supplement their benefits.

Furthemore, the rise in BNP support could be linked to the rise in useless pointless immigration. We did not have 6 million illegals in Oswald Mosley's time.

Tim

Fraser Nelson needs to familiarise himself with the British public before continuing in his chosen career.

I advise him to spend a few tireless weeks in a general election campaign, knocking on thousands of doors in working and lower middle class parts of England.

He should then understand that the BNP are winning because they have an intimate knowledge of life for this strata of our society. They offer solutions that chime with the culture, common sense and day-to-day experience of decent people that live on the frontier of the welfare state and multiculturalism.

Not knowing this, Mr Nelson has no choice but to go around in circles reeling off 'racist' and 'fascist' at a rate of knots.

Tim

Mr Nelson thinks the BNP has 10,000 members? Wishful thinking or just plain laziness - he needs to check again!

Steaming Englishman

The BNP are gaining because they speak the truth that the 'establishment' don't want heard.
This is our island, we the people own this rock, we are sovereigns, they should show us respect, not contempt! This not about immigrant, corrupt, Marxist concepts, like 'racism', it is about our hard earned rights to defend our life, liberty, and property.
The BNP may not be ideal, but they still shame most other parties, by their actions.

L Stewart

Like most articles penned by Labour and so-called
‘Conservative’ commentators, this latest effort reflects the same compulsory, blindly Marxist-liberal mindset which now encompasses all the major political parties.

What a lovely word ‘racist’ is. Having initially been established in the public mind as referring to a brutal, bigoted, hate-filled, fascist/nazi philosophy, it has been progressively attached to any viewpoint which does not happily conduce to the biological extermination of our nation by mass Third World immigration and promoted/enforced racial integration; and the simultaneous replacement of our culture. (“The letters BNP are, to me, hatefully synonymous with racism and all its sickening implications”).

Like all our media hacks, Mr Nelson plays his part in the campaign, and not only clearly disagrees with the comment that ”It’s not racist to defend your people, your culture and identity when it is [under] attack” but actually regards clear evidence that British culture is indeed under attack, and being altered by Asian influence as ‘comical’. It would never, never occur to him to feel any concern.

And, of course, there is no worse bigot than a 'liberal' bigot. The BNP which is the ONLY organisation in this country that seeks to preserve British identity and the British way of life is ‘racist’ because it does not admit to membership people who – by their very nature – can have no interest in its core ideal. The HUNDREDS of organisations which represent & promote African and Asian interests are conveniently overlooked. As is the Black Lawyers’ Association. The Black Police Association. And so on.

And his mind is equally closed to the cynicism and rank dishonesty of his mainstream politicians. Way back in 1978 when the problem could have been more easily solved, Margaret Thatcher, did indeed destroy "the National Front by showing herself sensitive to the cultural anxieties of whites who felt ‘swamped’”.
And once the danger of the British people having a voice in parliament was eliminated she revealed just how sincere was her concern by employing Michael Howard as Home Secretary to INCREASE the flow of immigrants.

Yes, it’s going to be “much harder to deny the BNP a slot on regular television broadcasts (such as the BBC’s Question Time) that routinely feature representatives of Ukip” after these elections. And to feed distortion and outright lies to the public about a British National Party which has had limited opportunities to defend itself. THEIR representatives will be able to demonstrate that they actually care about their nation. How's that for "sickening" ? Do I also hear 'vile'? 'disgusting'?
'sinister'? and 'evil'?

D Mason

Reading through the various comments, it’s interesting to note that most defend the BNP; and the few that don’t, often attack it using false claims that can easily be disproved, revealing either their personal ignorance, or their total disinterest in the truth which we see so often in the media.

Two examples :

‘Sean’ says : “ Griffin doesn't regard Beckham as British because he's one quarter Jewish” (Rubbish. They have fully Jewish members. The leader of their councillors on the Epping Forest Council is Jewish.) In a recent interview on TV Mr Griffin was also asked about Black footballers playing for England, and replied they have a right to do so ! And the comment “they still believe in all that Jews-rule-the-World nonsense” is also rubbish. Where does he read such nonsense ?

‘Rob Smith’ says : well, quite a lot. All wrong. Check up for yourself on the internet, how BNP councillors perform in Barking & Dagenham, and across the country. And note his remark about Mr Nick 'Griggins' (sic) recent statement on Black players, which is exactly the opposite of the truth, as millions of people can testify who watched the Sky News interview.
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Earth of Australia

Would the writer like a box of tissues?

All I see here is a writer using his pen to brainwash people into thinking that the BNP is 'the' racist party. Funny how the writer ignores current racist policies of England where laws are favouring non-whites over whites.

The swell of racism in the UK is created by the traitors in Westminster who are turning England into a swampland where racial violence against white people is supreme.

Then, there is the extreme violence of the 'Left' where they continue to track down and savagely bash, stab and possibly try to murder BNP supporters. It is the mob running the show today who are the fascists.

London Pride

Unlike many writers here, I am a socialist, living in the multiethnic East End of London.

I am furious at the way New Labour has abandoned ordinary working people. (I don't expect anything of the greedy Tories.) Mass immigration isn't the worst thing New Labour has done, but it is the most visible.

There have been two big changes in recent years. A huge increase in immigration is giving this once-diverse area a large muslim majority. And muslims (including those born here, of Pakistani and north African origin), are taking up Islamic fundamentalism imported from Saudi Arabia.

This is making the area uncomfortable for other people, especially those who lived here during the war. It's not paranoid to feel excluded by masked women or intimidated by people demanding sharia law.

My neighbours (black and white) are not racist, and they don't deserve to feel like unwanted foreigners in their own country.

Add that to all the other losses we've suffered under New Labour, and the contempt routinely shown for working-class people by those in power. It's easy for people in affluent suburbs to sneer at concerns they don't have to face.

The people mentioned in this article feel they have nowhere else to turn.

I truly am frightened that the BNP will pick up votes. Not because the people around me are racist, but because no one else is listening. I can't imagine any of my black neighbours voting BNP but how would I know? No one admits to it.

It's incredible that the major parties are still pretending mass immigration is no big deal. What do any of them have to gain?

John Richardson

For many years and many elections, I was taken in by the Tory party stance on immigration. I believed them when non-whites were only 1% of our population. Then 2%, then 5%, then 10%. Now they are around 18 - 20% of the UK population and increasing at an unprecendented rate never seen before.

The BNP are not fascist or racist. In the UK, whites are due to be a minority by mid-century. Why is that not allowed a political voice?

Herbert Thornton

It is disappointing to hear constant repetition of the mistaken idea that the only Great Issue facing the British people is racism.

Racism is not a serious issue at all. The only reason it is so constantly mentioned is because using the word is a convenient way to throw mud.

The British people are concerned about more important things. Even more than the EEC being thrust down their their throats by an arrogant Labour and Tory Establishment, they are appalled by the current official nonchalance towards - and worse, encouragement of - the massive influx of into Britain of Islam. Sadly, too many are have been made afraid to be heard saying so openly.

James C

Mr Nelson,

The NUJ has approved your article for publishing.
The requisite number of pejorative qualifiers (racist, hateful, sickening, objectionable, fascist, regrettable, alarming, sinister, poisonous) was handsomely exceeded.
However a word of caution: we note that you failed to include the mandatory adjective "odious".
We look forward to seeing this word included when we vet your next article on the BNP.
Together, we can prevent authoritarianism and retain the freedom of speech for which we are known.

Yours in comradeship,

NUJ Vetting Committee,
Josef Stalin House,
Antonio Gramsci Square,
Islington.

Dennis Whiting

Vile, Odious, Fascist, Racist: these epithets are thrown at the BNP and they are all meaningless! I am now aged 75 and have been a Nationalist i.e. a member of a frowned-upon organisation all my adult life. Supporting one's own kith and kin is as natural as breathing and is so understood by 99% of the world's population.

Valerio

It seems to me that there is a bias towards anything the BNP does. Yesterday I went to Tesco and people were giving leaflet saying "do not vote BNP". Why nobody says to me: "do not vote Labour?" Why is that anytime this party speak up, especially about immigration, all the others get angry? I think people are angry and if the BNP listen to them that's not a bad thing after all. Also, I don't understand how defending your own identity and culture is a sinister thing...
By the way: I am an immigrant.

Rosie

Valerio, I often think if there is anyone that saves the UK it will be an immigrant.

Look at Sarkozy, he is an immigrant and he 'gets' France more than many people with a long ancestry there do.

Once you destroy the concept of nationhood only trouble can follow.

You'd have to be as thick as a mainstream politician not to realise that.

By the way, I saw a two page character assassination of Berlosconi and the writer didn't seem to have a clue as to why Italians vote for him (British writer). This will come as a shock to British journalists - it's because he sticks up for Italy and Italians, and no amount of sappy British journalism can detract from that.

Good for him and good for the Italians, why should everyone else suffer the fate of cesspit Britain?

Fred Forsythe (not the)

Real, proven and practiced racism is the anti-English racism perpetrated by Blair, Smith, Dewar, Cooke, Reid, Menzies-Campbell, Kennedy, Steel, Rifkind, Falkoner, Darling, Martin,and the scores of other Scots that have penetrated the British establishment. The only way to get rid of this is to have an English parliament staffed by English MPs in the same manner that Scotland, Ireland and Wales have kept their administrations home grown.

jane from sydney

"The less racist Britain is, the more popular [the BNP] becomes." Don't be confused Fraser. There are two Britains, not a new idea by any means, yours and everybody elses. Your attitudes are hopelessly hidebound, my fellow-Scot, and until you re-examine your eighties verities you will continue to lose value as an analyst & commentator. Something new is happening, & it's got nothing to do with race,colour, or ethnicity. It has to do with culture, British culture, British standards of conduct, British values, & with disgust at the corruption of progressive liberalism among the self-serving elites who have dug themselves in at the trough. How can you be concerned about politics in Britain when you yourself state that a voter has no need of the BNP if only the major parties would address her concerns. That, my friend, is democracy, be proud!

david

Fraser, you really need to come down from your Ivory tower. Do you read these comment's you should. Most if not BNP supporter are very sympathetic towards the BNP. WHY!! is that?The problem for you and your kind is the BNP strike a chord with many many ordinary people.You can call them what you like. One thing THEY ARE NOT!!is anti British , globalist and hell bent on ramming a multicultural utopia down the throats of million whem all evidence show it seldom works.( Even parts of the Labour Party are saying this as are the Tories) so Mr Fraser put away your Liberal-bigotry and embrace the TRUTH!!

Michael

Fraser,
I expect that your response to all these comments (almost universally against you) is to say that there are a lot of BNP stooges about. It is a condition well known to psychiatrists. When faced with unpalatable truths people retreat into denial. The fact is that you are wrong, wrong, wrong and sooner or later will have to accept it. For your sake as well as ours it would be better if it were sooner.

Yes, I know how difficult it is for cult members to accept that they have been taken in and used. You have my sympathy in that, but believe me the whole NuLab 'liberal' movement that seems to have seized the whole political and media community is no more than a new millenium cult, and a malign one to boot. Seemingly significant events like a new century, and even more a new millenium all too often persuade the gullible that a 'second coming' or some such fantasy is imminent and that they are privileged to see it before the rest of humanity. Some make a mint out of it (Tony Blair being an obvious example) but the rest are made fools of.

The British people have been made to suffer terribly for this delusion. If they now struggle to save themselves before it is too late every decent person should be on their side, not hurl ridiculous and libellous slogans at them to try and deny their own errors and conceits.

Alexandra

Here's an example of why so many people see the word 'racist' as just a smear tactic and how 'hate' crimes are used to silence critics of local and national government:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1190073/Farmer-opposed-traveller-site-branded-racist-council-threatened-prosecution.html

not Jez

I can't belive my last comment didn't get in!

Come on Speccie, play the whi.... i mean, er... bahh!

Verity; I'd answer your question if i could get a bloody chance to!

(although odds are indicating you may not be reading this one either!)

Herbert Thornton

The main political parties have betrayed their countrymen so arrogantly and so cynically that it is no wonder that voters are looking elsewhere.

It makes me wonder what Wordsworth would have written if Wordsworth himself were living at this hour. But a good deal of what he did write over 200 years ago suggests how he would describe the state of things now -

"Milton! thou should'st be living at this hour:
England hath need of thee: she is a fen
Of stagnant waters: altar, sword and pen,
Fireside, the heroic wealth of hall and bower,
Have forfeited their ancient English dower
Of inward happiness. We are selfish men;
Oh! raise us up, return to us again;
And give us manners, virtue, freedom, power.
Thy soul was like a Star and dwelt apart:
Thou hadst a voice whose sound was like the sea;
Pure as the naked heavens, majestic, free,
So didst thou travel on life's common way,
In chearful godliness; and yet thy heart
The lowliest duties on itself did lay."

David Short

My latest contribution didn't make it through, possibly because it's not fair to ask Peter Hoskin to work weekends (though of course that's when many people want to contribute).

To read the main Spec article you have to click at least seven times because the website page is so overcrowded.

It's fewer than 2.200 words (note the old-fashioned use of 'fewer' rather than 'less'...) which at 300 word per minute will take you fewer than seven minutes to read (i.e. less time than to click through it and no risk of being reminded all that time that the management of the Spectator has introduced something vulgar with the even more vulgar title of 'Scoff!').

Click on 'Print this article', get the text of this feature without all the horrid vulgarity, then cut and paste it into the speed reader site, www.spreeder.com, and you'll see what I mean.

Since they made Brillo Pad the manager of this formerly non-vulgar magazine, I have only bought one printed version. That was because I faced a long train journey to Cornwall. Now that Wired has a UK edition, I now have an alternative. 'The Week' of course is great (as good as the Speccie used to be) but I have a subscription to that.

Pete Hoskin

David Short: if one of your comments doesn't appear, you can always email me (weekend or not!) and I'll happily look into it. My address: phoskin @ spectator.co.uk

Charlotte

@Archie. I've noticed that too.

Ben

It will be very interesting to watch the Establishment playing 'catch up' with the electorate after June 4th. The mood in the country is toxic and the liberal-left Consensus(BBC-Milliband-Cameron-Clegg triumvirate) simply don't get it.

"Never in the field of British politics have so many of us been lied to for so long by so few."

That's why they're voting BNP.

Herbert Thornton

I wonder how many other people think that Mr Hoskin's email address seems a little risque?

Nelson Fraser

Fraser Nelson - educated at fee-paying Dollar Academy (not many pupils with Urdu as their first language). Brushed up five-star Scottish Toryboy (who are even more divorced from reality than their English counterparts). What would one expect but a rant against the BNP.

Old Man

Most in the media writing and talking about racism know and understand nothing.

It is obvious to anyone with more intelligence than a pot-plant that everyone should be treated as an individual and not as a stereotype.

That is so easy and understandable that all the dimwits in the land pounce on that simple logic as though they had discovered an obscure truth unimaginable to the simple people.

Unfortunately treating individuals as individuals is not the issue. The actual problem is beyond the imagination of those pundits who have driven the British people towards inevitable and now unstoppable extinction of their culture and way of life; even though it has been obvious to those simple, but despised and severely suppressed people, for decades.

What happens Mr Nelson, when you have a several million individuals who DO create a stereotype? And they do - or haven’t you noticed?

As the population changes so Britain must change. Britain is to become more like Pakistan (and all sorts of other backward places) with Mosques on every corner where devotion to the afterlife is more important than real life. Consequently it is inevitable that Britain will become more associated with conflict, backwardness and squalor than peace and prosperity which its once sensible population most wanted. Are the simple people of Britain wicked to hate that prospect?

No “anti-racist” that I have ever heard of has ever explained why it is wrong for British people to want to be allowed to live in a British orientated culture and not subjected to utterly alien beliefs systems.

If Mr Nelson would like to give it a try I would be most interested.

I suspect that Mr Nelson doesn’t even understand that democracy in a nation experiencing mass immigration by people from cultures totally different to its own is impossible. It is even nonsense. What is the point of me (for instance) going out to vote when the future of this country is not in my hands but in the hands of people who have not even decided to come to live here yet but probably hate everything that British people hold most dear?

Keith GD

What the political elites, the mainstream media and the 'chattering classes' utterly fail to appreciate is the level of sheer disgust and simmering anger of huge swathes of the electorate. A quick summary may help concentrate the mind.

Our children have been sold to international financiers, courtesy of Labour's grotesque debt mountain. We see Mandelson and Osborne cosying up to Russian oligarchs. Our parliament is debased by corruption and has been gutted of executive power by the illegal transfers of its powers to the unelected Commission in Brussels. Our manufacturing base is finished. We don't know how many people are unemployed because the figures have been shamelessly fiddled for over twenty five years. We see our soldiers coming home in coffins from needless overseas wars, naked acts of aggression 'justified' by packs of Labour lies (and with Tory backing). We see the indigenous English poised to become an ethnic minority in city after city. We see Labour's war on our national culture and identity and the promotion of a meaningless 'multicultural'identity. We see the installation of a police state, where everybody is a suspect all the time and their every move spied on and recorded. We see the importation of armies of cheap foreign labour to compete with British workers and keep wages down. We have no real choice, as the the three main parties are effectively one; yes, they may differ in the style of their rhetoric on the odd policy detail, but their basic ideology is the same: globalism, European integration, open borders.
The list is endless. The only surprise to me is that there are still Labour, Tory and LibDem voters in the indigenous working and lower middle classes.

Jez

Hi,

as the traffic cools down on this subject (regarding this article anyway), i would like to simply explain my opinion that sums up this unique situation.

This last day and a half i've been (through work) in London and now i'm in South Wales. The part of London i stayed in was just off of Edgware Rd (North West-ish).

The majority of people in London that have built separate communities are oblivious to the rest of the country. Likewise, come out of the capital and you will meet people that have zero concept of the social norm that is the way of life in (large parts of) major UK Cities now.

Except for the Muslim areas that are solid (there has been a rejection of Kurds, Poles, Eastern Europeans in most Muslim enclaves- as an opinion), most of the multi-ethnic/multicultural areas are fragmented into littler tight-nit communities that do not mix with each other either. There doesn't seem to be many whites left in these areas- and the middle class whites that live adjacent to these places pay for their children to go to other schools rather than the ethnically mixed ones.

We have an unprecedented situation of a political class, that when it’s got tough, have rolled over and died rather than fight their corner.

In the North, we have schools in upper middle-class areas that have 0.01% local children and the rest from the Muslim/Afro-Caribbean areas that have declared open warfare on each other in the school hallways.

I want to send my kids to that?

Frasier; You and your industry have spent that much time trying to annihilate the BNP since the North Town riots of 2001, that you’ve stamped all over the British publics genuine concerns whilst trying to achieve this.

What exactly have you been playing at?

(Verity, the answer to your question is; No.)

Wily Trout

I don't think it's really about race at all these days. Voters want to kick the current elite class, which includes MPs and bien-pensant Westminster Bubble Journalists, very hard indeed. They don't seem to have many choices as to how they administer that kick, and the more the politicos squeal 'Don't Vote BNP' the more likely people are to vote for the BNP to get the kick in.

logdon

My last posting was modded for no explicable reason, three times in all.

Here's another. You talk about racism try this.

OK it's religion but isn't that matter now conflated by Muslim organisations with a grudge here in Britain?

Not much room for 'others' apart from India in those states is there?

And we're racist? What a joke!

These figures are copied and pasted from Melanie Pillips latest article on your very own site.

Here are some statistics of the number and percentage of Muslims in various countries:

Indonesia: 207,105,000 (88.2%);

Pakistan: 167,430,801 (95%);

India: 156,254,615 (13.4%);

Turkey: 70,800,000 (99%);

Egypt: 70,530,237 (90%);

Nigeria: 64,385,994 (45%);

Iran: 64,089,571 (98%);

Algeria: 32,999,883 (99%);

Morocco: 32,300,410 (99%);

Afghanistan: 31,571,023 (99%)

Saudi Arabia: 26,417,599 (100%)

Dirty Euro

We must not allow concentration camps to be set up.

peter

I do hope when the elections are over someone from the main stream press will write an expose on the co-cordinated anti BNP campaign. We all know it is heavily funded but where does its money come from? It pays for US companies like Blue state digital to plant often bogus news in the " establishment " press. Day after day for the last 4 weeks anti BNP propaganda has appeared in the press most of it lies. We all know where this country is going if the BNP dont win any seats. The indigenous already a minority in many UK cities will become within a lifetime a minority in our own land.

Jez

Just looked Peter;

http://www.bluestatedigital.com

I can see where they're coming from.... liberal left, Obama type, Daily show angle.

Strategy, PR, spin.

Frasier; This is the world you're in, no probs.

Here's ours. This happened about three miles from my home 2001;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I81LUqeZcpQ

Note 1 min 32 sec with the white lad getting stabbed by the person in the green and 3 min 27 secs the same kid lying on the floor unconscous with stab wounds.

And you want to know why the working class won't take you seriously?

Bart O'Brien

Did that lady in the council house really say: 'I ADORED Thatcher'?
I thought that only ladies and somewhat effeminate gentlemen of the social class that Fraser Nelson belongs to who used ADORE in that way.

ann whittaker

Every generation was a little better off than their parents. Now this generation is leaving the country while their still young and wanted by another county.
I have seen people at local and government level and have only seen them care about themselves and the only thing they fear is the media.
having to look after my husband all on my own for nearly 3 years without any support and after he died still no support. I go and ask for help and told there is no help available yet sit and watch someone who can hardly speak a word of english being given benefits and all the help she needed.
my house has been broken into 4 times and the police told me it wasnt a crime anymore unless id been injured. that means dead.
you dont read or hear about break-ins anymore, only people found dead in their own homes and the only time the public find out it isnt a crime for anyone to break into your house anymore is when they are broken into and the first thing the police ask is if you were injured and if you say no your then told if it happens again you can only use as much force to defend yourself or they will prosicute you.
thats britain today.
the labour mp for chester is about as much use as a chocolate teapot and the councilors are like something out of a monty python scetch. and im one of the stupid fools who worked for years as a grassroots supporter helping them to get into power and all they care about is making as much money as they can while they can.
Our MP is either abroad or having her photo taken in the local paper.
The only area that is cared for is the one with the higest labour votors, they dont bother with the odd one or two who live in an area that dosnt vote labour.
i voted at every local and general election from until a couple of years ago when I saw that all the parties were the same and if the BNP gets any power in this country it will be the governments fault because tony blair and gordon brown have only carried on where thatcher left off.
when was the last time any government listened to the people of this county? When there was a riot.
I was glad this county became muti cultural but not when it got to the point where you go in a shop or hotel and the people get angry because you cant understand them.
before we hated any minority being treated unfairly. now the white british people feel they are the minority and if i see one more advert about the starving people in a county that other governments caused yet we're supposed to give money to them I'll be voting BNP myself.
the media have more power than the government yet they do nothing either.
is it any wonder people are turning to the BNP, no one else will help them and they know it.
I've worked never claimed a penny and after my husband died I was entitled to benefits I am refused and have no one to turn to.
I'm 50 years old and grew up thinking how lucky I was to be born into a country that cared about its people while people in other countries had to fend for themselves.
Now we're in that position and its all down to greed and war, or peace keeping as they call it.
Look at Germany. The caused and lost 2 world wars and the money in put back into the county because they are not allowed to spend money on anything else.
They get richer, the people are happier and we are poorer and the people are all so unhappy and no one cares and thats what will allow the BNP in. All they had to do was wait, they knew all the parties were the same and sooner or later the public would turn to them. And it wont be our faul, it will be the governments but by then they'll be off to a safe county with all the money they've made.

Simon Stevans

We are So Racist . . .

A tiny fraction from,

http://www.multikulti.org.uk/agencies/english/london/5722/index.html

The National Black Police Association

The Metropolitan Black Police Association

The Society of Black Lawyers

The Association of Black Probation Officers

The Association of Muslim Police

The Southwark Muslim Women's Association

The Somali Banadir Welfare Association of UK

The Black Women's Mental Health Project

The Indian Muslim Federation (UK)

The Asian People's Disability Alliance

The HAYA - Horn of Africa Youth Association

The Sudan Women's Association

The African Women's Welfare Group

The Bengali Community Development Project

The Queen's Park Bangladesh Association

The Hispanic Welfare Association

etc, etc.

Simon Stevans

More damning evidence of our racism in action as we speak.

The Redbridge French Speaking African Women (RFSAW)

The Hammersmith Bengali Association

The Essex Islamic Trust

The Somali Self Help and Welfare Association

The Somalian People with Disabilities

The Kurdish Advice Centre

The British Arabs Resource Centre (BARC)

The East London Somali Association

The Asian Action Group (AAG)

The AAWAZ - Southwark Asian Women's Association

The Enfield Asian Welfare Association

The African Swahili Community Project (ASCOP)

The Ethnic Minorities Advocacy Group

The Ethnic Alcohol Counselling in Harrow - EACH

The Jagonari Women's Educational Resource Centre

The Bangladesh Women's Association in Haringey

The London Ethnic Minorities Deaf Association

There are literally thousands, (costing?), yet, if just ONE exists for me, it is Nazism, say the political intelligentsia.

Explaination required Mr Nelson.

brian morgan

Mr Nelson, you spend a great many words calling the BNP racist, but what might be mind-numbingly obvious to you is not necessarily clear to all your readers. I'm not very familiar with instances of BNP racism. It would have bolstered your argument significantly to offer even a single one.

peter

So despite the massed onslaught of the media with their hysteria and manufactured lies the BNP were able to take two seats. Fraser you must be devastated! The BBC displaying its duty to impartilaity had Dimblebore and Robinson screaming against the fascists and racists! it was a delight to see their smug faces so aghast , with Dimblebore now being forced to have Nick Griffin on Question time although the BBC will probably change the rules.

Joshua S. Rubenstein

It is demented to call the BNP a "far right party." It's a far left party that is ALSO anti-immigration. Workers' councils, protectionism, and higher taxes on "the rich" are NOT the stuff of "far right parties."

If the BNP were not a far left party, it could not have bitten so deeply into Labor's vote.

And if there was a rising tide of conservative reaction among the electorate, the Tories would have done better than they did -- unless David Cameron's version of conservatism fails the taste test among lower income voters.

Herbert Thornton

While I agree with Mr. Rubenstein that it is demented to call the BNP a far right party, I question his description of it as "far left". To qualify as far left, does it not require that a party has, as the most central part of it's policies, state ownership of virtually all property, or at least of what Marxists call the "means of production", as in the Soviet Union? That is why I doubt that Hitler's National Socialists, despite the word "socialist" in their name, can be any more said to have been "far left" than were the regimes of General Franco and Mussolini.

Joshua mentions high taxes as a symptom of being "far left". No doubt it can be a symptom, but if that is all that is needed to make a government "far left", then Britain's government during World War II and several governments since then can equally be labelled as "far left" - as can many present-day governments, including that of Canada.

Perhaps some people would characterise the BNP policy of providing decent pension support to the elderly as "far left", but if I recall correctly, old age pensions were pioneered in the 19th Century by German Chancellor Bismark and I should think he would turn in his grave to think his pioneering would ever be thought of as "far left".

As for the BNP having bitten deeply into Labours' vote because it is "far left", I suggest that very much misreads the situation. I think it had far more to do with traditional Labour voters' despair after their personal experience of government neglect compared with the overly generous treatment of immigrants, including illegal ones, combined with the results of living in proximity to areas where there has been such a massive increase in the presence of Islam, unwilling to assimilate and often openly hostile. Many traditional Labour voters are turning to the BNP out of fear.

Ingy

The only extremist party I can see are New Labour who have invaded Iraq ilegally and killed thousands of Muslims and many of our own soldiers too, and they created the positive discrimination law which discrminates against the English in their own country...have the BNP killed thousands of Muslims an their own kind? No! and they do not support the invasion of Iraq, now who really are the Goose stepping Nazi's?

andy c

And in few places will you find more racism than the hallowed pages of the Spectator.

Eat That.

Merlyn

Thanks to the Islamized politico/media hype, we had over 600 attacks on Jews in the first 6 months of this year, with daubing on bus stops such as " Gas All The Jews". Yes racism is on the rise.