Before meeting the Episcopal bishop of New York I nose around the massive cathedral. On
a wall, between two side chapels, is a brass plaque, inscribed in copper-plate with some august words of sacred scripture: When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to
dissolve the political bands…We declare these truths to be self-evident, and so on. Maybe the Declaration of Independence should be more prominently displayed, for this Church has recently
got in touch with its revolutionary side. In a sense the whole crisis in the Anglican Communion originates in its awkward propensity for democracy (bishops are elected).
Mark Sisk doesn’t look like a revolutionary. He looks like an older thinner Bill Bryson: round specs, light beard and genial smile. He has no lordly airs: my pompometer stirs not.
He tells me that the relationship with England has always been ambiguous: after the Revolution, England was reluctant to see a separate Church emerge. ‘The Church of England did not make us
feel embraced in those early days. On the other hand there was a desire, from our side, for the connection – the first Lambeth Conference was called because American bishops asked for it. The
notion of the Communion is something that in many respects has been invented by the Episcopal Church - our creation as a separate Church created the Communion, if you will.’
The current crisis in the Communion began with the election of Gene Robinson as bishop of New Hampshire in 2003. Was Sisk glad about this bold development, or did it feel like an alarming leap into
the unknown? ‘Well, ideally these things would be neat, and there would be guidelines in place, but in real communities the process tends to be more difficult. This man was well known and
highly regarded. Everyone knew that he was in a committed same-sex relationship; nevertheless they voted for him. And I personally am somebody who is very committed to the democratic process. They
may be wrong, but they gotta live with their decisions. They know their own situation best.’ But diocesan democracy is not the whole story: the bishops had the choice of whether to approve
the election, didn’t they? ‘Yes, and the questions for me were: first, is this man a Christian, a faithful person? I felt he clearly was. Is he living an openly and notoriously evil
life? In my opinion no. Did this election take place properly? Yes, I felt it did.’ If the subsequent crisis had been somehow forseen, would this approval still have taken place? ‘I
think it’s entirely possible that it would have.’
Has the Church been pretty united in backing Robinson, despite all the external anger? ‘Yes, not unanimous of course, but press reports of internal dissension have been far overblown. In this
diocese, which admittedly is not typical, no parish has left. Overall, two or three hundred parishes have, out of seven thousand congregations.’ Losing five per cent of the church
doesn’t sound too fatal, but it could get worse if the dissenters are granted recognition by the Anglican Communion, as the more authentic Anglicans.
From a liberal point of view, I suggest, the Episcopal Church emerges from the crisis stronger than ever. It has got off the fence, declared its liberal identity. Does the pro-gay line help in
communicating the gospel to young liberal agnostics here at home? ‘Yes I think it does have positive impact for mission, but again I think one of the great dangers is that we are
insufficiently articulate as to why this is the case – lots of voices want to say, oh they’re just being up to date with all the latest secular thinking – and we mustn’t
acquiesce to that interpretation.’ The Episcopal Church does have a reputation, I suggest, for wacky liberalism, liturgical experimentalism, lesbians knitting their own vestments (I
don’t say the last bit). ‘I think that’s a very popular interpretation of the Episcopal Church in England – an assumption that we’re wacky, out-there, anywhere, and
clergy can do whatever they want. Our disciplinary procedures for clergy are actually very rigorous, compared with certain other parts of the Communion.’
Support for the ordination of homosexuals entails the desire to see gay marriage, I suggest. So Sisk is in favour of changing the nature of marriage? He hesitates slightly. ‘I think the
Church is sort of wrestling with that, but there is no consensus yet. Personally I believe in moving that direction.’
What has emerged over the last few years is that the Atlantic marks a major difference in ecclesiology. The crisis has showcased the democratic habits of the Episcopal Church. If the debate in the
Communion starts going its way, as progressives assume, it could emerge with new authority, as the new model of Anglican Church, could it not? ‘I think it’s a mistake to prescribe for
another community what their structures should be. In this large and pluralistic country democratic processes work reasonably well. England is a different country – how it works things out is
its own business. I wouldn’t want to tell England how to operate, and I don’t think England understands at all well how we operate.’
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merlinthepig
February 9th, 2011 9:45pm Report this commentActually I think I understand perfectly well how they operate i.e. the homosexual lifestyle (the word "sin" is noticably absent) is the template into which the faith must be shaped rather than accepting that the primacy of faith and biblical teaching must be to the fore.
Bruce M
February 11th, 2011 2:47pm Report this commentMerlin clearly understands nothing about homosexuality if he thinks it is a choice! He does not understand sin either because, if homosexuality is part of creation,the only sin involved in gay relationships is infidelity or exploitation of others. Marriage entails a commitment between two people to live faithful lives. Sex is a relatively small part of that covenant and certainly not one that Jesus was much concerned about, so why should we be?
merlinthepig
February 14th, 2011 12:04am Report this commentBruce
FYI
(a) I do understand what homosexuality is
(b) The Bible condemns homosexuality as a sin.
(c)If one used your reasoning, the fact that Jesus did not express concern about bestiality, paedophilia and the practice of people who get a kick out of nailing each other's genitals to woodwork means these probably aren't sins.
Check your head (and your scripture).
NixonisLord
February 14th, 2011 4:55am Report this commentWho cares what 2 million people do when they were socio-economically very likely to do it to start with? The Episcopal church has found its niche market: ex-baptists with education, divorced ex-catholics who don't want to give up on church just yet; gays who enjoy dressing up and playing church. It's still shrunk to just under 2 million and that's with its target audience approving of what it's doing.
Face it-religion is becoming more and more of an irrelevance to more and more people.
CD
February 17th, 2011 7:38am Report this commentI think NixonisLord has hit the right phrase - the Episcopal church is essentially just "playing church".
Jesus did not come into this world to play church. He came to establish His Father's kingdom.
David Bouvier
February 21st, 2011 1:20pm Report this commentmerlinthepig: please google Kent Ashcroft's "Dr Laura" letter, and reply with clear answers to his questions.
I cannot understand why the CofE seems more exercised over one gay American, than a bunch of Africans who seem intent on inciting and more the murder of lots of gay Africans. I know which one I think is more worthy of breaking communion over. And it ain't one gay American.
merlinthepig
February 22nd, 2011 8:43pm Report this comment@David Bouvier
OK. I'll bite. I think it's "Ashcraft" not "Ashcroft" by the way.
As Monsieur Schwarznegger said - Je reviens.
merlinthepig
February 23rd, 2011 11:58pm Report this commentRight, I'm back.
David, I duly googled and had a look. Ok, it's a satirical article you've referred me to. So do you want a serious reply or the reply that it in fact merits? I'll go for the latter. And since you need other people to ask questions for you, I'll get someone else to answer for me, in the spirit of the thing.
See the link below - top comment.
http://www.dogchurch.org/forum/thread/21
My work is done here. Over and out.
hadrian
March 9th, 2011 9:58pm Report this commentSin is sin, call it by whatever term you may wish- 'lifestyle', 'genetic predisposition' 'choice'.
The Scriptures unequivocally identify such sexual behaviour as 'sin' so for any person claiming to have responded to the Gospel call of 'Repent' and 'Believe' there must be resolute repudiadtion of such impulses.
We live in a fallen world and our spiritual condition is by nature depraved. Whether a sin is rooted in moral judgement or fallen instinct matters not.
We may, to a great extent, extend much sympathy towards folk who find themselves prey to certain temptations but such supportive feelings cannot degenerate into full scale approbation so that we redefine what constitutes sin.
If the Church's pity goes beyond proper bounds were are warned the result will be sin on the rampage and the Church under attack. And guess what, that is precisely what is happening in our benighted land today- Christianity and Christians are being hounded out of all areas- Registrars, nursing, Fostering, even B&B Hospitality. How long will it be before the anti-God 'secularists' decide Christians are 'unfit' to bring up their OWN children, let alone foster?
This is a major front of a mighty spiritual warfare. Scripture warns us a major foe of the Church will be impenitent proud and shameless indulgers of carnal lust. One does not need to be an 'extremist', inciting to murder as in Africa, to note the hostility to the Gospel from the homosexual lobby. Where sin is indulged, the Good News of Deliverance from it is hated.
When we see such blatant sin not just outside the Church but at the stage of completely invading it we realise how great is the displeasure of God at our high defiance of Him. Judgement must begin at the household of God. Those promoting this in the Church commit an enormity that God will not overlook.
Andrew Fletcher
April 8th, 2011 1:24pm Report this commentBelievers in Christ are obsessed with homosexuals. They seem to talk about them constantly.
Remember it's just a nice story fir kids. Don't take it so seriously!
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