Now the Tories Need to Get Serious About Their Euro-Allies

Rhoda Klapp

Ut's the EP Martin. It is completely irrelevant. You are just conducting a points-scoring exercise about a subject of which you have already shown yourself to be ill-informed. And now, it's the spectre of 'we'll upset St Barack'. As if we ought to care. No doubt Barack is perfectly happy with the bunch of commies your party (the ruling party here) sits down with? He ought to be.

Oh, yeah, and if anyone, anyone at all, can show me how what happens in that forlorn talking shop the EP in between expenses troughing makes a jot of difference to me I'll,,,I'll,,,stop posting offensive comments on Martin's blog.

Dorothy Wilson

Sorry Martin but this story strikes me as a Labour plant to cause the Conservatives trouble. It is in the Guardian after all.

Dave B

What about Labour's EU allies?

http://www.torybear.com/2009/10/labours-evil-friends.html

Why is it you never write about them?

Publius

Why does the Speccie employ Labour trolls like this? I mean, I can buy The Guardian if I want this kind of rubbish.

Bill Rees

I hope that William Hague will bring up the following with the White House.
In June this year Anita Dunn, the White House Communications Director, said this to a group of high school students.

“The third lesson and tip actually comes from two of my favorite political philosophers, Mao Tse Tung and Mother Teresa. Not often coupled with each other, but the two people that I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point, which is: You’re going to make choices... But here’s the deal: these are your choices; they are no one else’s. In 1947, when Mao Tse Tung was being challenged within his own party on his own plan to basically take China over, Chiang Kai-Shek and the nationalist Chinese held the cities, they had the army… They had everything on their side. And people said ‘How can you win..? How can you do this against all of the odds against you?’ And Mao Tse Tung says, ‘You fight your war and I’ll fight mine…’ You don’t have to accept the definition of how to do things… You fight your war, you let them fight theirs. Everybody has their own path.”

Mao Tse Tung was a psychopath who was responsible for anything upwards of 50 million deaths of his fellow Chinese. Is this the sort of man that the people running the White House admire?
I hope that Hague tells them where to get off if they are trying to tell the Tories who they should be allied with in Europe.

DavidDP

I bet Clinton won't raise it. It probably comes from the same place that claimed Obama thought Cameron was a lightweight; that was shown to come from No.10.

Fergus Pickering

Dear me, Martin. Nobo0dy likes you and you're a troll. Actually I don't think that. You are sincere, but your leftie mindset is such that you think things that are unimportant are important and vice versa. This doesn't matter. Really it doesn't. Take it from me. Find something else to go on about. I'm sure you can. What's your opinion on all-women short lists for the Conservative Party? What about all-gay shortlists? All-black? Plenty there for you to get your teeth into.

David Lindsay

It may exist in German, but I have never come across in English a full study of the SS Divisions of various nationalities after they had gone home. Yet the movements and subcultures that they became turn up an awful lot. And, except in Latvia, we love them.

We loved Alija Izetbegovic, SS recruitment sergeant turned Wahhabi rabble-rouser, and founder of one of the two entities to which the terms “Islamofascist” and “failed state” are both properly applicable. We love the other one, created by the Kosovo “Liberation” Army of heroin-trafficking pimps whose black shirts defer to their fathers and grandfathers.

We love the pro-war Danish People’s Party – coalition of the willing, no matter who the willing might be. We love those advocating Flemish secession, now that that would be in the service of global capital.

Ahmadinejad’s oblique, if any, Holocaust denial causes uproar, yet that of Croatia’s Franjo Tudjman – historically, geographically, ideologically and sartorially far closer to the events – did not.

But for some reason, the Latvian Fatherland and Freedom Party is a problem. Why? No one ever mentions that Eurofederalist, big business-loving Fine Gael goes back to the Blueshirts.

Any Colour but Brown

Oh, for pity's sake, get a life, man.

You're all hung up about Kaminski, aren't you? He thinks Jedwabne was a disgraceful act, but one perpetrated by a handful of Polish traitors, in the presence of the Germans. It was not the act of the Polish Govt, nor was it Polish policy. It was an abberation, created by, at most 40 Poles.

It is really not something that the Polish people should apologise for. Have you asked any Polish Jews whether they feel that the Govt should apologise?

No, I'd put money on it that you haven't. I bet you haven't even spoken to a Pole about it, have you? Nahhhh, not that either.

Next time I speak to my Mother-in-Law, I'll ask her - she's Polish.

Instead of reading your orders from Labour Party Central, get out and do some real investigative reporting - perhaps about Labours' partners in the EU.

DavidDP

Quick question - the US is willing to deal with real anti-semites like Ahmedinijad in order to further US interests. Do you then ascribe hypocrisy to the US adminstration for objecting the Tories dealing with allegedly similar types to further UK interests, or do you think that the US, well versed in realpolitik, is not actually as concerned as No.10 would like us to believe?

DavidDP

Do you agree with Freedland that there is something nefarious in trying to equate Stalinism with Nazism? Do you agree that the 25 million killed under a left wing regime are okay compared with those under a murderous right wing regime?

Michael

Maybe Clinton should also condemn the Labour Party for sitting with former communists of varying degrees of reconstruction, for sitting with the pro-Moscow party who tried to throw the Ukrainian presidential elections, for having affiliated status with some distinctly unsavoury Balkans groups and for sitting with an Italian '9/11 Truther'.

Bar Bar of Oz

'ere they go again, Martin! More power to your arm. I hope your editor at the JC has seen the light?

My goodness me, Labour can make this an issue if they're still capable.

Avudale

If it's such a problem having the Tories allied with these distasteful, racist, homophobic parties, the answer must surely be to kick the countries that gave birth and constantly vote these despicable parties into office out of the EU.

We all know that will never happen, as the EU gladly and willingly accepts the most backward of all countries into its Franco-German Empire, hellbent on expansion and the destruction of independence, at the cost of dignity and honour.

Leave them all to it and let's be out of the EU: trade, not political union.

Avudale

In any case, it's not up to America to decide what's best for Britain. We have enough of that from Europe already.

What's best for Britain and Britons is an independent, free trading country, in the spirit of the people.

Dirty Euro

So a 9/11 truther is considered bad. Why do people not like truth?
Anyway hating jews is worse than hating Cheney.

Any Colour but Brown

"Bar Bar of Oz
'ere they go again, Martin! More power to your arm. I hope your editor at the JC has seen the light?
My goodness me, Labour can make this an issue if they're still capable."
I'm not so sure. Labour are going to have to, then, justify their allegiance with such peole as:

Former Italian Communist Party officer Giulietto Chiesa. Amongst other things an extremely vocal 9/11 denier.
Proinsias De Rossa, former IRA man.
Andrzej Zbigniew Lepper, leader of the Polish Self-Defence of the Republic Party, with honorary degrees from the anti-Semitic Interregional Academy of Personnel Management (their honorary professor is the white supremecist David Duke).

Nice people.........

Doug

Really my opinion of Fraser Nelson is getting lower and lower and lower while he allows Bright to smear and smear again. We have a new Damian McBride in the form of Bright. Who would have thought he'd be at the Spectator.

David Bouvier

Martin - if the EPP had stuck to its deal to run the EPP-ED group rather than blocking MEPs from joining the ED by bureaucratic foul play, if the EPP had not helped to push through an increase in the minimum block size requirements to try to prevent the new group being formed, then perhaps they (the EPP) would not have created this situation.

And perhaps Cameron recognised that our membership of the EPP required us to sign up to a position on federalism that was fundamentally at odds with the Conservative party's settled view, and that he could not in good conscience sign up to it.

Any Colour but Brown

Perhaps, Martin, you should read these two blogs

http://www.iaindale.blogspot.com/ (Labour's Dodgy European Allies )
http://www.torybear.com/2009/10/dictators-murderers-and-labour.html

They say quite a lot about the nasty types that your lot are in bed with.

Ian C

" The Tories had trouble being taken seriously in Washington during the Blair era."

A) Not half as much trouble as LAbour are now under GB.

B It's far from clear that the US Gov't is being taken that seriously in Tory circles while Americans are being introduced to ideological social democracy's Euro version.

denverthen

The carcass of that poor dead horse you keep on flogging must be pretty much rather ripe puree by now.

I suggest you read Harry Phibbs article in the same newspaper. If you are an honest journalist, and not just a Labour stooge, it should give you real pause before you go in for yet another round of deceased equine whipping.

This is a great example of the Left talking to itself. Newsflash, Martin: it was a non-story seven days ago. What it is now is simply desperate fiction.

Richard

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story, eh Mr Bright?

Labour, the Guardian and the BBC have been making huge efforts to smear the Conservatives, regardless of the damage to international relations. However it is a complete pack of lies, and despite what many people have commented on your various pieces you have never sought to justify your absurd opinions on this story. You are being utterly dishonest.

McKenzie

I agree with you Martin, quite comprehensibly. Who can take these fools seriously?