The Battle Against the Extremists in East London

Beer Moth

Hmmm.

Starts off by equating BNP and Islamist radicals.

Then falls back to default anti BNP anti nazi drivel.

It's been done, spat out and moved along.

You need to get with what's going on.

Nicholas

Sooooo. Now the Islamist extreme is extreme right? Interesting.

Snowman

Martin, you are getting it the other way round. It's not the BNP that's the problem, it's what these pub rousers are saying that resonates amongst the people that both Labour and the Tories have to address to prevent the legacy you fear in the last para.

Fergus Pickering

Martin, just get rid of the Muslim savages Rod speaks so eloquently of and the BNP will melt away like the morning dew. Trust me on this.

Geoff Miller

Since when did the BNP represent a threat to Jews?

It doesn't - it supports Israel and has Jewish members.

The real threat to Jews, and everyone else come to that, is Islam.

There are no neo-Nazi's marching around the East End - have you even been there Mr Bright?

There ARE radical Islamists; thousands of them.

I lived in Tower Hamlets for 7 years and hardly a day went by without a serious incident - usually ignored by the mainstream news media for fear of "causing offence to muslims".

Fire bombed churches, beaten up vicars, vandalised Christian and Jewish cemeteries, stabbings, hammer attacks, stonings, rapes, mobbings, murder.

What planet do you live on Mr Bright, it certainly ain't planet earth.

The BNP would PROTECT the Jews.

The Guardianista's and Islamists are their real enemy.

Austin Barry

"...the twin threat of the Islamist extreme right and the BNP."

Twins? Clearly not identical. One wants to kill, and has killed us, and wants to destroy our way of life, the other a bunch of public bar geezers whose robust views increasingly resonate with an aghast public.

Peter From Maidstone

You are completely wrong, as is most of the Spectator staff. Why not start reading the posts of the commentators here and elsewhere on the site.

The BNP is not right wing. The BNP is not the problem. The BNP is the symptom of the real problem - which you seem to miss.

Rhoda Klapp

Beer Moth, Nicholas, Snowman, Fergus Pickering, Geoff Miller, Austin Barry, Peter From Maidstone. You are now officially green-ink loonies. Evil Bigots too, I shouldn't wonder. You will all shortly receive notification of where to report (voluntarily) for re-education, as it is plain you do not understand the benefits of multi-culturalism or the peaceful tenets of Islam.

Gil

A few thoughts:

1. Thankfully the Liberal Democrats will never get their wish for Proportional Representation on the statute books.

2. The danger from the BNP is not in their localised victories but comes from their ability to network throughout Europe with like minded parties. Not forgetting David Duke in the US.

3. The radical Left here will have to start rethinking its obsession with Israel and Zionism if it wants to assist in combatting the BNP. The radical anti-Zionist and anti-semitic Left has taken its eye off the real problem.

4. The Tories and Labour, the latter in particular, have shown that they do not know 'how democracies perish' (with thanks to Jean Francois Revel). Their surrender of our borders without realising how it would affect internal politics is unforgivable. Unless, Labour were/are hoping for the BNP to draw votes from the Tories.

Godders

The only threat to the Jewish community in London comes from Islam. Many Jewish people in London already appreciate this and some have even joined the BNP (one is a prominent councillor). The Neo-Nazi shibboleth is absurdly old hat - does anyone seriously think they are a threat in Golders Green?

Geoff Miller

Rhoda Klapp
November 20th, 2009 8:50am

Re-education?

It was tried once at Birmingham City Council.

The Asian Muslim guy running the racism awareness course started off by stating "All white people are racist - and only white people are racist. If you do not accept that fact then you cannot continue with this course".

The course, of course, was compulsory and you were disciplined if you failed to attend or were sent off it.

"Bollocks" said a West Indian in the room - "you should try working with your lot!"

Why is it that so many of our journalist friends are so out of touch with reality.

This guy still rants on about Neo-Nazis. Has he not been outdoors since his drug fuelled student days?

Nicholas

Rhoda I have been a Green-Ink Loonie since the occupation of my country by a hostile power in 1997. As for Evil Bigots - they are those to whom my green ink (heavily laced with vitriol) is directed.

I am also a member of the Frothing and Foaming Brotherhood, the Dressing Gown Volunteers, the Tin-Foil Hat Brigade, the Red-Faced Colonel Shock Troop, the Marmalade and Toast Splutterers, the Little Englander Martyrs, the Dail Mail Appreciation Society (although the latter honorific puzzles me somewhat because I don't subscribe to or read it), the Climate Change Denial Squad and the Right-Wing Faction of the Peoples Anti-Progressive and Counter-Revolutionary Friendly but not that Friendly Society.

I think re-education would be pointless. They will need to shoot me - then they can prise the green-ink pen from my cold grey hand.

Kojak

Geoff Miller
"Since when did the BNP represent a threat to Jews?"

Are you having a laugh?

Gil

Godders, you write such rubbish. Were the scouts who shouted murderous abuse at Jewish veterans in Romford, Muslim?

Bill Rees

I'm not a BNP member, and nor would I vote for them.
But I really do hope you're right, and that they do win Barking and Dagenham Council next year.
Maybe that will then make the political and media elite realise that Islam is having a profound effect on millions of ordinary people in this country. It is an ideological invader that is incompatible with what is generally accepted to be British culture, and, if left unchecked, will drive out our traditions, just as the grey squirrel has driven out the red.
It is an unfortunate fact that we all, ultimately, will have to face.

Snowman

Gil @ 9.34:

would you care to enlarge on your enlightening thought that the BNP presents danger because of its worldwide networking, please? I instinctively feel that you may have hinted at a solution worthy of a genius. Let’s bar the party members from travelling abroad, take away their mobiles, and the problem’s solved. Simple, and deadly effective. You should run the country, you seem to have so much to offer.

Peter From Maidstone

Gil, a single scout troop, egged on a by a single teenage member acted inappropriately. That is all.

Shall we ask the Scouts how many believe violence against Jews is a acceptable? I believe it would be very signifcantly lower than the 160,000 British Muslims who believe suicide bombing is acceptable.

There is a need to keep things in proportion. I know a great many people who perceive Islam to be a threat to our British way of life, but none who believe that British Jews are a threat to the British way of life.

Sarah

I came across a suggestion that Griffin's professed support for Israel was a tactic to increase dislike for Israel. I thought that was oversubtle initially - but on reflection I'm not so sure. If you support Israel and think the BNP is even vaguely ok I suggest you take a look, for example, at some of the things Lee John Barnes has to say. I agree that the worst pronouncements and actions and Islamists are worse than the (public)policies of the BNP - but that doesn't mean the BNP is remotely acceptable and I'm sure many members of the BNP have much worse views than anything you'll hear Griffin say in public.

Peter From Maidstone

Sarah, I am sure ALL politicians, and even all Spectator writers and commentators, have worse views than are aired in public.

I am not interested in supporting the BNP. I have no interest in their views on the State of Israel, save to say that it does lend credence to their position as not being anti-semitic. But I am concerned that as many people as possible wake up to the threats facing the English, and if the BNP are shouting loudly then to that extent I support them.

thecomebackid

'...The lion and the unicorn
Were fighting for the crown
The lion beat the unicorn
All around the town.
Some gave them white bread,
And some gave them brown;
Some gave them plum cake
and drummed them out of town...'

Whither Orwell?

Beer Moth

You have a vote and you decline the offer to use it how you seem to suggest it should be used; you then describe how you hope other people use theirs to sort out the problem. Eh?

What the hell is wrong with you man? You believe all the lies spewed out by the media, to the extent that you can't even trust your own judgment?

Beer Moth

The above is addressed to Bill Rees

toni

Hope you win in Barking 2010.

toni

The above is addressed to Nick Griffin.

Gil

Peter from Maidstone, go back to the first sentence of the original comment that inspired my own comment.

Do I have to teach you to read?

Dirty Euro

The BNP were founded by John Tyndall, a man who has been photographed in front of a nazi flag in uniform.
Nick Griffin called the holocaust the holohoax.
If you think the BNP are not neo nazi then grow up. Otherwise you are just a liar to claim such. Why do the nazi trolls need to lie?

Fergus Pickering

Dirty Euro, I don't think the presnt BNP is neo-nazi. That opinion doesn't make me a liar. What John Tyndall did is quite irrelevant, as is what Griffin once thought. Saint Paul at one time in his life
persecuted Christians. And no, I do not compare Nick Griffin with Saint Paul. And further, though this is quite irrelevant to my point, nothing would induce me to vote for the Labour Party (though I did once when I was young and foolish) or for the BNP.

Geoff Miller

Kojak, its you who's having a laugh.

Check out BNP policy. It supports Israel and stands shoulder to shoulder with everyone who is suffering from Islamic violence.

Attacks on Jews in the UK spike every time there is conflict in the Middle East. Do you think its the BNP?

Did you watch "The Big Questions" last Sunday?

They discussed racist attacks on Jews.

They discussed how attacks have increased. How there are "spikes" in activity associated with events inside/outside the UK.

All through this it was implied that it must be native British people doing it. The role of muslims was not even discussed.

A Rabbi described how in Birmingham he is regularly assaulted, spat upon and verbally abused by people "who are not English" - his emphasis not mine.

Who could he have meant? Nobody asked, nobody said. There was an embarrassed silence. The discussion was halted.

The elephant was in the room.

Wake up. The BNP is not what you or other people say it is - it is what it actually is - a Party that represents the interests of British people in their own lands and seeks to confront the forces that seek to destroy us, our society and our civilisation through enforced demographic change, mass immigration and the imposition of multiculturalism.

I know that Marxists believe that if you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth - I guess that is why you keep calling the BNP Nazi's when they are not.

Just as much as you keep saying that Islam is a religion of peace when it so plainly has ALL the attributes of Nazism and a long, violent, history to prove it.

Dirty Euro

The BNP is an enemy of any minority group.
To claim a party lead by a man who denied the holocaust, and founded by a man who posed infront of a nazi flag in uniform, is not neo nazi. As you claim is an insult to anyone who has more than single figure IQ.
The UKIP and other parties are other alternatives.

Dirty Euro

There is no major party that supports muslim attacking jews. More straw men arguments from the BNP.

logdon

A couple of years ago no one would mention BNP without reaching for the Listerene.

Now, after the smashing of our state by the Islamo/marxist cabal who seemingly called all the shots, they seem to be our only redeemer.

I'd love to see Griffin win Barking. In fact I'd love to see at least a dozen BNP MP's elected.

It's gone too far and for too long and at last the natives are getting restless.

It' s a perfectly natural consequense and any one not seeing this coming must be completely blind to public anger.

The worm has quite rightly turned.

Diversity

The BNP and the loonier Islamists are natural enemies. Why try to unite them against us? It is as daft as Bush identifying Sadam's Iraq in the same 'Axis of Evil' as Sadam's mortal enemies, the Iranian Mullahs.

Beer Moth

Dirty Euro

The 'major' parties have shown the British public, that they will watch the wind and support whatever goes with it. They are not leaders, but are being led, and yes, by that most treasured of 'minorities'.

Only the BNP have displayed the courage to stand against the drift into catastrophe. I suggest you give them a try when next in the ballot box; see if you can help save the nation.

Dirty Euro

Beer Moth I cannot vote for a party that would kill gays, jews and gypsises do not be such a manipulated idiot. I am part gypsy myself. Why would I want to held in a concentration camp at the mercy of some scummy skinhead with a rape fetish. Do not fall for the evil lies of the BNP. They are the NAZIS. There is nothing worse than the BNP.

Holly ......

Dirty Euro.
Most of your comments make no rational sense, however the one to Beer Moth is your best ever.
Where do you get your ideas from?
If people feel they have to vote BNP they will.
Stupid comments like yours actually get flicked away because they are so ludicrous.
Come out with something a bit more rational and believable please.
Give some statistics on how many gay's, gypsies etc the BNP have been convicted of murdering....or are they just waiting to be elected first? THEN they will go out on their murdering spree?
Downright pompous!

Holly ......

Oh and just for the record I hope they thrash the Labour candidate into oblivion...if the trolls at the top let her stand that is.
Also you should really stop worrying about being flung into a concentration camp and worry more about being slung into a session with a shrink.
You are the one going on about being 'raped by a Nazi skinhead'.
Weird.
Do not fear...
...You are in the wrong country for one and about sixty years too bloody late.

Ruby Duck

Dirty Euro

Surely democracy is the enemy of any minority group ...

Beer Moth

Where do the BNP say that they would kill gays Jews and gypsies?

'Scummy skinhead with a rape fetish' - please calm down.

daniel maris

Of course the BNP is a Nazi front organisation and must be opposed at every turn.

But I am not sure it is helpful to characterise Islamism as Fascism. Of course there are close affinities, but it is misleading to try and identify something called "Islamism" as opposed to "Islam". Islam has in its history displayed all the features now assigned to "Islamism": aggressive war, terrorism, persecution of non-Muslims, cruel punishments, oppression of women etc. The distinction has to be between (a) Jihadists and their supporters (those actively using violence to attain their aims) (b) pro Shariah Muslims who, though perhaps not violent themselves or directly supporting their violent brethren, nevertheless sincerely with to turn Britain and the rest of the world into a Shariah state and (c) those Muslims - and there are plenty of them - who view religion as a private affair and are happy to leave it as such.

I think without making those distinctions, it's difficult to frame the right response.

What all democrats can do is to resolve to oppose Shariah advancement wherever and whenever they come across it, whether it be formal or informal advancement.

Sadly I don't think you will ever get mainstream Muslim reps to sign up to that as they are closely associated with the clerics whose main aim in life is to impose Shariah.

You can only keep the lid on Islam, you can't enter into alliance with it to fight some fictitious "Islamism".

Snowman

Dirty Euro @ 10.42:

listen, get real, the outpouring of pap about the BNP killing gypsies and all that works against your view, as Holly pointed out. The BNP core membership may indeed be composed of pub rousers, and the party led by a man one wouldn’t entrust a lemon for fear he will repatriate it. This in no way negates the point that the BNP policy on immigration, amongst others, does resonate with the public. Unless you are blind, you cannot help noticing that the massive influx of immigrants in a very short time, many of whom have no wish to assimilate, has not only strained public services, but has also altered the way of life for the indigenous burghers noticeably. To wit: without water we would all perish, right? Yet when too much of hits us in a couple of hours, eg Cumbria, we suffer.

Simon

"there should be a new anti-fascist alliance in east London to tackle the twin threat of the Islamist extreme right and the BNP"

Your problem here is that the Islamist extreme 'right'(?) don't stand for election as such, if they engage in democratic politics they work through other parties. While Salma Yaqoob of Respect inciting attacks on white passers by is easy enough to spot, they also work through Labour and, in somewhat more moderate forms, other parties too. Will you demand Labour deselect all their Islamist-friendly MPs?

Sue MV

Unfortunately, the BNP are a legal party that may be voted in by indigenous Essex people.

What do you propose to do, bully the electorate into voting Conservative?

Islamic extremists however should be deported or imprisoned for inciting hatred.

Dirty Euro

Holly : You are the one who has no rational argument. The BNP are about persecuting ethnic minorities that is all they are about, that is why you support them, that is for the sadistic thugs like you, that they live for, they were founded by a man who posed infront of a nazi flag, led by a man who denied the holocaust. Your claims fool no one but the dumbest, simple mindest of oafs, unfortunately this probably includes yourself. The most successful con artists often fool themselves to justify to themselves their evil acts.

Or is it that you are even dumber than you appear, or pathetically trying to con people far more intelligent than you, in your claims that the BNP are not a neo NAZI party?

To insult me for pointing out those facts shows you are a nasty vindictive lying creep. Your obvious lack of intelligence is disturbing, your sadistic and bullying nature is chilling. You are a typical warped manipulative racist, not someone I would want to meet, especially in your dreamed of concentration camps.
I do not care if you see it as pompous to speak out against evil scum like you who want to see people like me die to satisfy your pathetic creepy bigoted HATE. You are an evil warped sadistic thug. That is ALL you are. Perhaps you were offended by my use of the term scummy skinhead with a rape fetish. Too close to home eh! No one thinks you are a woman, despite your use of the name Holly. What on earth is that faking of your gender all about?

Ruby Duck : no I can assure you history shows that tyranny causes far more abuses to ethnic minorities. As ethnics have a vote in a democracy.

Vita Brevis

If we had ever had a genuine democracy in this country,there wouldn't be any ethnic minorities here.

When you walk down a high street, every black, brown or oriental face you see tells you that our democracy is a sham.

Immigration has always been opposed by the overwhelming mass of the people.

Dean

Good luck trying to build an 'anti-fascist' alliance that is willing to fight extreme Islam. You may encounter a few left wing double standards in the process. You have my sympathies.