Labour Now Managing the Scale of the Defeat

Cuffleyburgers

The point Mr Bright is that that point of view IS wrong.

It is a truism, and like most truisms, it is, well, true, that socialists always run out of people's money.

If you are an intelligent man you must see that like democracy, free markets are not perfect but they are better than all the other possible solutions.

David Bouvier

So Martin, now you agree that Labour is focussed on their party interest rather than what financial decisions are best for the country, do you believe this is morally wrong?

What do you think of such people? How should we treat them? Does this destroy the legitimacy of Labour as a governing party?

Or is power politics everything and the wellbeing of in the end "hard working families" unimportant? Time to take a stand.

Geoff Miller

What is so sweet this time around is that Labour will not only lose votes to the Tories and LibDems but to the BNP, Respect and Independents.

They will haemorrhage white working class votes and, in Inner Cities, will rely upon Muslim votes and corrupt postal voting scams as so often before.

That will all come out and Labour will have then lost the White Working Class for good and all.

They will at last be seen for what they have been all along - an Anti-British Party for Marxists, subservient benefit claimants and minorities.

AGM

As someone who DID leave the country in the bad old days of IMF loans - it will not necessarily be the "billionaires" who leave - it will be the young graduates and people who are in their 20's and 30's who decide they don't want to pay for Labour's incompotence.

Heaven help us all if Labour get back in - the country will get what it deserves if that happens.

wrinkled weasel

You have to admit, the analysis is crude, but effective. The mob, those responsible for keeping Labour in power first and foremost demand scapegoats. They behave on a purely visceral level because their first coping mechanism is blame.

The ochlocracy blame the toffs for a poor education, they can blame the toffs for not having the newest car - they can point to a meritocracy that they are not part of and deflect personal responsibility. If all of this is mediated by what amounts to ten years of giveaways, at tax-payer's expense, you stand a chance of getting votes. Well, fin de partie. Brown is still pledging £1.5 billion in aid to other countries; money that will buy quite a lot of Cadillac Escalades for tin-pot banana republic politicians, but in reality he is in the bunker, moving imaginary battalions around to defend Berlin, demanding that the infrastructure be rendered beyond repair. Finally the specious building blocks of his end to boom and bust, his levelling of the playing field to its rocky substrate, his creation of a credit bubble - all are crumbling and people can now see the effects: lost jobs, no credit, rising prices.

Brown will not lose the election because he is wrong, he will lose because the balance of perception has changed.

ajs

wrinkled weasel:
NOT ONLY because he is wrong, but..etc

seb

wrinkled weasel

You're right. But one has to be careful here not to break something called, I think, Godwin's Law, which is a prissy little nostrum dreamt up by sixth-formers to dissuade others from making any comparisons whatsoever between Hitler and living politicians. Yes, Brown is deluded and, yes, he is hunkered down with his thuggish pals, convinced, all of them, that there might be a magic way of snatching victory from the jaws of defeat through some clever campaigning and/or a dastardly Vengeance Weapon. I can't wait until the revised Tom Bower bio is published. The psyche of Kirkcaldy's Leading Autist is both monstrous and fascinating. When the bunker is emptied and the histories of the period written, the portrait of the mind that has led us to ruin will be a sensational read, like, of course, Speer's account of his time with Hitler.

Watt Tyler

"The mob, those responsible for keeping Labour in power first and foremost demand scapegoats. They behave on a purely visceral level because their first coping mechanism is blame."

Wrong. The Middle Classes put Labour in power because they couldn't see past the end of their Semi-Detached driveways, and didn't understand what it really meant to vote for socialists. However, Blair presented all the things they wanted to hear.

Now we have a similiar situation where people really don't understand what David Camerons Tories are, or more importantly, what they should be. Things will not get better.

wrinkled weasel

Seb, you have sussed me. My recent bedtime reading has included Gitta Sereny's "Albert Speer: His Battle with the Truth". I work on the basis that people do not change and that a similar thing could happen today.

Several technical details have become quite clear to me as a result of reading it. The first is that the people closest to Hitler were neither highly intelligent or cultivated. Speer was possibly an exception. The second is that there was a great deal of confusion and what you might called cognitive dissonance: Insiders remarked on the contradictory orders, the rages, the failure to capitulate - an issue totally obfuscated by Hitler's new and fantasy-based battle orders. Sereny writes:

"What she (Traudl Junge) described..sounded like scenes from a madhouse.