I wrote below about the frightening thuggery on display at the anti-Israel demonstrations in London. Here is what a reader tells me of his recent experiences as a British Jew, including what happened to him after attending the pro-Israel counter demonstration, and how he feels therefore about the way in which the Gaza conflict and its implications are being reported in Britain:
It was shocking to hear on Radio 4 at about 7:15am a Muslim woman called Fatima supposedly representing some 'moderate' Muslim organisation who basically said that the threat of Muslim radicalisation should force Britain to shift its foreign policy direction in the Middle East. This was followed by a poor rabbi in Paris speaking about the awful situation with attacks on Jews and their property. What shocks me most is that the BBC is prepared to recognise that these things are happening in European cities but not right here at home! They report on their website about a synagogue in Toulouse being fire-bombed, but what about the similar incident that happened this week in Brondesbury? [The attempted fire-bombing of a London synagogue].
From my own experience as an identifiably Orthodox Jew, since the beginning of the operation in Gaza I have had things shouted at me like ‘death to the Jews’, ‘Hamas should finish where Hitler left off’ along with the usual spitting and angry looks which I've become accustomed to. However, yesterday it went a bit further. I attended the demo in Kensington High Street. Walking back to Gloucester Rd tube as was suggested by the Community Security Trust and Metropolitan Police, there was visibly high security on the route. I saw two friends to the tube station and decided I would walk to a friend's house a mere 3 or 4 minute walk away since he had told me to stop by to say hello to him and his wife.
As usual, I wasn't holding any kind of political symbol, flag, banner or placard and was just wearing my yarmulka. As I was about to ring on the doorbell I was set upon by two Asian youths (one wearing a keffiya and one wearing a badge with the Palestinian flag on his jacket) who punched me in the head, threw me to the ground and continued to kick and punch me in the head and other parts of my body until I managed to shout loud enough causing them to flee. I bashed on the door of my friend’s house, sat on the kitchen floor with blood coming out of my head and badly bruised elsewhere. Thank G-d, my injuries were not serious and the paramedics were happy for me to go and stay at a friend's house until the morning so someone would be able to keep an eye on me. As for my friend who is living with his wife and 10-month old baby, the police have suggested that they go away for a couple of days since there are lots of 'unknown' people in the area who could make the place unsafe.
Anyhow... this is what it is like to be Jewish in Britain today. The BBC wants to portray that it is only places like France or Belgium that have problems with crazy Muslims attacking Jews. In classic BBC myopia, they can't see that London is no different.
The picture above depicts the seminal battle of Khybar in 629 between the forces of Islam and the Jews who inhabited the area. The Jews were forced to surrender and thenceforth to give up to the Muslims half their produce and live as second class citizens. 'Khybar' is a battle cry for Islamists in their jihad against the Jews and the west. Go figure.
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seb
January 9th, 2009 9:14amWithout something to hate, the will to live amongst many people would, it seems, sputter and die. The rapid growth in anti-semitic sentiment amongst the self-righteous, politically correct bigots in the West demonstrates this. The youths mentioned here for attacking a Jewish person do their own cause the worst service. The more these attacks occur, the more Jewish people everywhere are convinced Israel is the only place to be. The more the citizens of Israel believe it's dangerous everywhere else, the less they'll care about what happens to their neighbours. The so-called friends of the Palestinians would do well to desist from terrorising the Palestinians' well-armed opponents.
stanley Jerusalem
January 9th, 2009 9:28amThe reactions of the political classes in the UK to Israel strongly remind me of the late and hardly lamented Neville Chamberlain's dismissal of the Nazi attacks on Sudetenland and the then Czecheslovakia:-
Munich Conference (September 1938)
Neville Chamberlain, the British Prime Minister mused how terrible it was that war should be threatened by a "... quarrel in a far away country by people of which we know little." A prominent member of the British parliament displayed even more ignoramce when he told the press, "Why should we bother with those gypsies in the Balkans?", meaning the Czechs who were of course not located in the Balkans. It looked in September as if war was imminent. Chamberlain appealed to Hitler for a conference in a last minute effort to prevent war (September 28, 1938). The conference was held at Berchegarten, Hitler's mountain top refuge. Hitler and his ally Mussolini met with Primeminister Chmberlain and Premier Daladier. The Czechoslovak government was neither invited nor consulted about the discussions. The British and French gave in to Hitler's demands. The result was the Munich Agreement which was signed by Germany, Italy, France, and Britain (September 29). The Czechoslovak government, deserted by its allies, capitulated the following day and agreed to abide by the agreement forced upon (September 30). Chamberlain flew back to London and stepping off the plane waved the agreement signed by Herr Hitler which he assured the waiting reporters guaranteed "Peace in our time." Churchill was apalled. The British and French people were relieved. One European leader, Soviet Marshall Stalin, who was not invited to attend the conference drew the inescapable conclusion that the British and French could not be trusted as potential allies against Hitler.
Lizzy
January 9th, 2009 9:32amHorrifying. Sounds like Germany in the 1930s but it is London in the 21st century. The media are morally culpable for their silence in the face of this reality. But more to the point, what does your Prime Minister say or is he silent too? Are any elected representatives speaking out? Otherwise, the biased media ends up running the show completely.
beedeekay
January 9th, 2009 9:39amI am now 64 and have thus lived all my life in this country, free from the hatred and persecution that for my grandparents and earlier generations was a part of their daily lives.
It has come as a shock therefore to realise that we Jews in Britain are today facing the same level of anti-Semitism that was the norm throughout Europe in the first half of the 20th Century. Much of it comes from the Muslim community, but perhaps of more concern, thanks to government indifference at best, and actively encouraged by the steady drip drip drip drip of biased reporting from the BBC and the "liberal" media, much is also coming from Britain's mainstream community.
Only we see it of course, but but what is going on now, oh so clearly demonstrates why Israel must survive.
stanley Jerusalem
January 9th, 2009 9:42amThough unlikely, the evacuation of the UK's Jews to Israel and elsewhere would be the final nail in the coffin of Gt.Britain's place among the elite of the free world.
It would be impossible to estimate the contribution, out of all proportion to their numbers, that Jews make to the prosperity, cultural and academic excellence and to the art and entertainment worlds that Jews make to the UK.Even the Jewish left-wing liberals would find their positions untenable. Sadly Hitler demonstrated to us that just like in the showers, we are to be considered as equals in the view of our enemies.
Jondo
January 9th, 2009 10:02amMedia outlets feeding the public with complete falsehoods about the Jewish people, leading to attacks on Jews in the street - now that sounds a bit familiar (and worrying).
What are the likes of the BBC thinking? Don't they realise that by whipping up hatred against Israel through their biased or false reporting, instead of spreading the truth about how murderously wrong Hamas are, they are directly resposnible for maintaining Hamas's international support (and hence its self-confidence) - and therefore also at least partly responsible for the death of any innocent civilians killed as a result of Israel's perfectly justified attempts to prevent attacks which Hamas continues to carry out on the back of this perceived support?
Andre
January 9th, 2009 10:03amI cannot believe this is happening in England. I was born eleven years after the end of the second world war. I have worked on an Israeli kibbutz and a moshav. As a journalist I feel constrained from writing in the press about these things and about my Christian catholic faith. The country I once knew is seeping away, the forces of evil - whether secular or islamo-fascist - advance by the hour. Have these people never heard of the holocaust? Have they forgotten the machinations of the Nazis - and their fellow traveler the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem? Are we really prepared to tolerate islamic sharia law which outlaws alcohol, free press and basic human rights? Israel's struggle is our struggle, the attacks on orthodox jews are attacks on our freedoms too. Shabbat shalom
Richard
January 9th, 2009 10:07amIt is difficult to eradicate the virus of antisemitism once it takes hold.
The Gaza crisis reveals the extent to which it has resurfaced in Europe:
Gaza is the trigger event, but there have been plenty of indications of something brewing, as has been documented here and elsewhere.
Raymond Joseph Douglas
January 9th, 2009 10:13amThank you BBC, thank you all you liberal-left commentators that have made common cause with the types of people that have attacked Melanie! I hope you arem happy now. Trouble is, you proably are! Bless you Mel, and get well soon !
Joshua
January 9th, 2009 10:22amIf people want to know why things are as they are, they should go to the blog hosted by Neil Clark, the journalist. There they should peruse the comments and Clark's posts. The address:
http://neilclark66.blogspot.com/
gary ashton
January 9th, 2009 10:36ammove to israel.
it may have many challenges but it is home for all jews and one million arabs.
the united nations, bbc and most of englands media should hang their heads in shame at their cowardness and lack of moral perspective when it comes to israel. why live and contribute to a country that is almost islamic and would quite happily bash you until you have no voice.
Olaf Rye
January 9th, 2009 10:38amOh dear, this is a depressing tale. I am saddened and ashamed of elements in the public that would assault a person because of a conflict occurring elsewhere in the world. It is the most despicable cowardice to select a 'representive' of a religious group to punish for the alleged sins of a Jewish state. I am surprised that the police did not treat this as an hate crime, which it most certainly is, and instead of increasing their presence advised people to remain indoors or go away for a few days. I have never heard of a more feeble approach to policing ! This sort of story should get international coverage, if only to demonstrate the moral cowardice and tacit approval (sorry 'understanding' is what they would say) of these disaffected and worthless youth. It is curious how they identify with their Palestinian brethren and are willing to assault a Jew visiting a friend in London, but could not conceive of doing something concrete for them like get a good job and send them money or perhaps even train to be physicians and assist them. We must stop making excuses for these potential militants and call them the disaffected and cowardly filth that they are.
phil
January 9th, 2009 10:50amDoes anyone think the Jewish community would tolerate its young people attacking members of another faith-I am sure the answer is no and yet the faith of peace are the one,s attacking people all over the Uk and are involved all over the world in terrorism killing not only Christians ,Hindus and Jews,but other Muslims in huge numbers -it is time our government made it plain we will not tolerate it -do I have an answer ?,maybe ,hand out MASSIVE sentences for racial attacks and cut off any social security from perpetrators dependents-make their own families fund them .
TX4
January 9th, 2009 11:01amis anyone really suprised that the rise of anti semitism is occuring in this country.It has been just below the surface for years.I am ashamed of how this country has gone.Where is our Prime minister?Where is anyone from any side of government.?
Is this a country who flew half way around the world to carpet bomb 2 countries who were no threat to us(and 5 years later we are still there)How can we fight terroism,bbut expect israel to sit down over a "danish" who's sole aim is too wipe out israel.
I'm ashamed of our government our press and of the country.
eeldaimun
January 9th, 2009 11:23amCan you imagine what the response of the British media and those ever so delightful, mouthy members of 'the actors' guild of the religion of perpetual outrage' would have been had this situation been reversed - ie. if it was 2 Jews administering a physical beating to a lone Moslem?
I shudder to think what the response may be. I suspevct it would be plastered all over the following day's newspapers. It would receive prime headlines on the BBC news....... oh and probably a call for around a million martyrs to die in Jihad would be isssued.......
Charles
January 9th, 2009 11:59amStanley, Jerusalem - As my first response to your lengthy diatribe in respect of Neville Chamberlain appears to have gone astray, I will make my point again.
Chamberlain may have made some errors in dealing with the Nazis, but in this he was not alone. Whilst in 1940 a force of 400,000 British & Commonwealth soldiers fought (on Chamberlain's instigation) against Nazi forces and were driven onto the beaches, Avraham Stern and his followers (including Yitzhak Shamir) were making the following commitment: "...the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany's side." (source: '51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis' by Lenni Brenner).
N. Simon
January 9th, 2009 12:03pmTo Stanley Jerusalem,
"Though unlikely, the evacuation of the UK's Jews to Israel and elsewhere would be the final nail in the coffin of Gt.Britain's place among the elite of the free world"
The Jews should leave ALL of Europe, because the next Holocaust is around the corner.
Then, when Europe is awash with Muslims and violence, will the politicians and media realise their crimes against the peace loving European Jews.
Naila
January 9th, 2009 12:44pmCome on we can see the atrocities on tv in our homes.
Where is the moderation when 17 Israelis die and 500+ Palestinians are dead.
There is a blockade so the people are living in siege conditions and they take the action of desperate men.
Hamas were elected. Just because we in the west do not agree with their policies there is no justification to demonise them.
I do not see anyone rushing to depose Mugabe who does not have the backing of the majority of the population . Oh I forgot there is no oil there!
The whole thing in the Middle East is because the west needs to control the oil supply - our economy depends on it and how ever it is dressed up by the media it boils down to that!
Palestinians cannot win unless they elect a puppet regime which Israel and USA deem acceptable.
Everyone conveniently forgets that the land occupied by Israel belongs to the Palestinians and was taken by the west to solve the problem of the treatment of Jews in Europe.
Why did they not give them land in America? There's plenty of it!
I am against violence -all it does is perpetuate more and as a mother the thought of all the human loss grieves me whether Palestinian , Jewish or Zimbabwean.
Other regions spring to mind too like Darfur-no oil!
Stephen
January 9th, 2009 12:45pmI would suggest that you start looking at the root causes of the conflict in Israel/Palestian instead of just saying that whatever Israel does is right.
How can ratio of civilian dead be justified at any level???!!! As Churchill once said Jaw Jaw is better then War War. Perhaps if Israel pulled back to it's 1967 borders and gave the Palestinians a viable state. This would help sovle a lot of the problems in Israel/Palestian. At the end of the day at the moment all they are doing is creating more trouble for themselves down the road.
Fran
January 9th, 2009 1:23pmLizzy wrote
'The media are morally culpable for their silence in the face of this reality.
Too true, Lizzy, and in addition, they are culpable for the biased and sloppy misreporting of the immediate and past Middle East reporting which has led to such demonisation of Israel and world Jewry. The Guardian's Riazat Butt, speaking on last week's Radio 4 'Sunday programme' predicted that young UK muslims would become more attracted by violent extremists because of the conflict - but the coverage of the conflict by main media outlets has fuelled an already distorted view of Israel's action. How right she has been, as this and other appalling stories show.
I intend to write to my MP about the disgraceful misreporting of the current conflict by the main stream media and the failure of those same outlets to report the violence being perpetrated against the UK Jewish community now.
Leslie
January 9th, 2009 1:39pmMy prayers are with Jewish people all over the world.May God protect you.
Ed
January 9th, 2009 1:50pmThe account of what happened to this gentlemen is truly shocking. I would like to read more comments as to whether this is a consistent and serious problem or whether these are isolated incidents.
If the former then we have a huge amount of soul searching to do.
In all sections of the country there are people who will stab you, beat you up, mug you for any number of reasons, not liking the way you look at them, not liking the colour of your skin, your sexual orientation or down to the fact that they want your mobile phone! I have been a victim of an unprovoked assault and it is terrifying - you have no idea when it will stop.
There will be calls that these thugs in the story were provoked due to the issues in Gaza - rubbish. This was an unprovoked assault on someone due to their race/ religion.
I would like to say that the people who attacked this person are thugs who would attack anybody for any reason above. they are simply using the current situation as an excuse in their tiny brains.
I have a number of muslim friends who are as shocked by this as I am.
I guess in summary what i am trying to say is that there are people in this country who will always want a fight and go out and look for one. Then there are the rest of us who deplore this behaviour.
So therefore, i think comments on this page that the next Holocaust is around the corner are unhelpful and overreactive.
I for one, would like to think i would stand up for what is right.
We did not tarnish all Muslims after 9/11 or 7/7. We should not tarnish all Muslims as violent people now. The same is true of saying everyone in Israel supports the action in Gaza - many dont.
We need to be wary of all extremism and racist commetns taking hold across Europe. However, i should be able to say what Hamas is doing is wrong, and Israels use of heavy force is not helping without being accused of calling for another Holocaust.
Jerry
January 9th, 2009 2:00pmIsrael needs to hold on to ALL the land it currently has in its possession, including Gaza, since it will require it for the absorption of the European Jewish community.
R Mather
January 9th, 2009 2:27pmThis is what happens when most of the media outlets in the UK and Europe pander to the likes of Hamas (esp. the Guardian and the BBC). The rise of Islamo-fascism, the failure of the police in the UK to crack down on Muslim thuggery and the Left's dalliance with terrorists must be extremely worrying for Britain's Jewish community. I am afraid that the lessons of the early 20th century have not been learned. But instead of the Far Right, it is the Left that is fuelling anti-Semitism.
Mark
January 9th, 2009 2:39pmIt does seem like a repeat world war scenario is in the making; the world economy is in a crisis, antisemitism is spreading everywhere like wild fire.....sound familiar?
N. Simon
January 9th, 2009 2:51pmWhen Palestinians stop attacking Israel, there can be peace, but until then, people have to understand that the Hamas agenda was never about having their own land, it’s about having ALL of Israel, and for the killing of ALL Jews, not just in Israel, but globally.
Don’t take it from any of us, take it from the Hamas Charter, and from the numerous speeches, and media interviews they’ve given.
The majority of us want peace, but unfortunately, while organisations like Hamas want to further the global jihad, we have no chance.
Pre-1948 Palestine was an area of the middle east, not a country. From Palestine, the countries created were Jordan, Iran, Lebanon, Saudi.
The Jews didn't take it from the Arabs. Most of the area now known as Israel was uninhabited, except for the Jews who had been there for thousands of years, who lived around their holiest of places, and Arabs who migrated to work there.
In the late 1800's Jews around the world started buying up plots of land for Jewish habitation, including the swamplands which are now Tel Aviv, and the surrounding few miles.
Millions of Jews were massacred by Arabs long before 1948, even though there was a huge Jewish presence in ALL Arab countries. Iraq Jews were able to trace their ancestry back to King Nebuchadnezzar. And then the Muslim pogroms started... leaving most Islamic states Jew free, although there's one Jew left in Afghanistan, about five left in Iraq, none in Jordan, none in Libya, none in Saudi, etc.
I do wish some people would learn the REAL history, because in spite of knowing that Islam is only 1500 years old and Judaism is 5769 years old, they still think that Jews stole land from the Arabs.
Sergey
January 9th, 2009 3:24pmThose barbarians do not reserve a state: statehood implies responsibility not to harm one's neighbours. The do not deserve even self-government, for the same reason. It is better to make Gaza an international protectorate or Egypt colony - as it was before Six Day war.
roger c
January 9th, 2009 3:32pmwith reference to R Mathers comment about it being the far left this time. it has always been a socalist aim to erdicate the jews. in reality there is no far right. the Nazi party was the National Socialist party. the only difference between hitler and stalin was that overall stalin killed more people. it is absolutism of these parties that unites them. socialism has always been popular here in the uk and it is no surpise to me to see these people crawling out from the darker realms of the BBC.
the love for the muslim cause is a common cause as they have many communal goals.
as far as i am concerned israel needs to push to clear gaza and send all the palastinians to egypt. then turn their attention to the west bank and the golan heights. put some space between them and those that wish them harm.
The Dread Pirate Gryphon
January 9th, 2009 4:09pmCharles: "(source: '51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis' by Lenni Brenner)."
Lenni Brenner's book is published by Noontide Press. Other titles in their inventory include "The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry" by Arthur Butz and "Did Six Million Really Die?" by Richard Harwood. Noontide also publishes "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and Henry Ford's "The International Jew."
Thanks so much for your brilliant and scholarly research, Charles. It's good to know where someone like you gets his "information".
Charles
January 9th, 2009 4:37pmThe Dread Pirate Gryphon,
Not according to the Amazon UK website, it isn't. Lenni Brenner is widely published and has written for various US/UK political and academic journals.
"Someone like you.."?
ps You will find the same information on Wikipedia under 'Lehi', so not 'scholarly' research at all.
phil
January 9th, 2009 5:19pmED --"I have a number of muslim friends who are as shocked by this as I am"
I am glad you wrote that as I have fine Muslim friends too,in fact I had dinner with some of them the other night in their home .We are all sick of what hamas is doing and problems they create for both peoples .These thugs represent only their deranged selves ,not either religion .The nazis did not represent Christianity and nor do these thugs do anything but harm their "cause",assuming they have one.
John
January 9th, 2009 5:20pmI know that this is unimportant when compared to other matters but there is a 2008 web blog awards competition going on. Currently Melanie is in the lead, but a concerted effort by another blog is making her lead precarious. To post your vote go to:
http://2008.weblogawards.org/polls/best-uk-blog/
You can vote multiple times but only once every 24 hours. Her competitor is encouraging their supporters to do so – let’s do the same and take Melanie to victory.
The Dread Pirate Gryphon
January 9th, 2009 5:21pmCharles:
By the way, you're right. "51 Documents" is not now published by Noontide. It was ORIGINALLY published by Noontide, the publishing arm of the Institute for Historical Review. Happy now?
phil
January 9th, 2009 5:26pmStephen-what a wonderful idea -can you arrange it? -The Israelis have tried for years -the counter offer is for them to be killed to the last man.
Zoe
January 9th, 2009 5:27pmStanley in Jerusalem: 'Though unlikely, the evacuation of the UK's Jews to Israel and elsewhere would be the final nail in the coffin of Gt.Britain's place among the elite of the free world.
It would be impossible to estimate the contribution, out of all proportion to their numbers, that Jews make to the prosperity, cultural and academic excellence and to the art and entertainment worlds that Jews make to the UK.Even the Jewish left-wing liberals would find their positions untenable.'
People on this island did OK for centuries before the onset of the Jews here. We were a Great Power, had relatively enlightened government, and knew how to trade well with other countries. It's your sort of arrogance and contempt for the abilities of others which can lead to animosity.
phil
January 9th, 2009 5:35pmcharles you have made your mark on Melanie,s blog,s before with your unique insight into anything anti-semitic -do you have a price for a leather bound first edition of the protocols of zion -no price is too high. Anything by David Irving too.
tommy
January 9th, 2009 5:51pmED You say
"I have a number of muslim friends who are as shocked by this as I am.
We should not tarnish all Muslims as violent people"
No-one is saying that this may or may not be true,it has nothing to do with the equation that islam mandates violence against all infidels but moreso against the Jew (if such a thing is possible)
Some may wish to renounce the violence but unfortunately the radical can quote koran and hadith making any moderate ..........[.I personally don.t like that word moderate it has no meaning in islam even PM Erdogan of Turkey says that it is a Western term of wishful thinking and goes on to say that islam is islam and that's it.]...... appear weak and unislamic and possibly result in a charge of apostasy for which the penalty is death.
Therein lies the problem you would like to believe that islam can be reformed-- I see no evidence of HOW? because the koran is the final word of their god unchangeable and is meant to stand for all time.
Charles
January 9th, 2009 6:07pmphil,
Classic. Anything vaguely critical and one's an 'anti-semite'. But it's fine to rail into Chamberlain - who actually did commit this country to fighting Nazism - at any opportunity. And what's all this about my "unique insight.."? If it's meant as a joke, it's in poor taste.
Towncar
January 9th, 2009 6:16pmThe mewling complaints of Israeli 'disproportionate response' really do make me fall out of my chair laughing. A combatant force that appears on the battlefield matched to their opponent has egregiously failed to prepare. Were Israel to use a nuclear weapon in Gaza - rather unlikely - that would constitute a disproportionate response. Only a fool expects this to be approached as some sort of fair fight. One attraction of this pernicious fantasy to those on the left eager to embrace their dhimmitude as the latest PC trend, is that it would encourage Hamas and their ilk to continue the bloodshed, which is apparently what they want.
hadrian
January 9th, 2009 9:26pmOf course the Nazis did not represent Christianity. Their religion was that of the MasterRace a concept unutterably filthy and disgusting and anathema to Biblical Christianity which teaches our innate sinfulness before God, our own impotence, our dependence on Grace and forgiveness not our own works. Hitler despised true Christianity as 'weak'.
These sort of incidents, mercifully, are still reasonably isolated- but for how much longer? As I've pointed out elsewhere, I know of one CofE parson of a East London parish, set upon by local Moslem thugs but who refused to press charges- very stupid- and one East End chapel where cars are routinely scratched if not watched during services. There's also been the case of one of the oldest synagogues being quite clearly intimidated. Worse still, is the alteration of some of the ancient street names to Islamic nomenclature. This may seem trifling but to the serious Moslem it is deadly serious for it means that territory is being claimed for their 'deity' and so not to ever ceded back without utmost resistence. Do we really wish our capital city thus chomped up and subjugated before us? Our grandchildren will not thank us, if that is, they have any concept of civil freedoms left! And what we experience thus far mildly ( apart from the 7/7 bombings) the Jews and Israel experience in intensified form.
KateA
January 9th, 2009 9:30pmCharles: "Avraham Stern and his followers (including Yitzhak Shamir) were making the following commitment: "...the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany's side"
Forever the 'bitter', word; out of all proportion to the reality. You fail to mention:
More than 30,000 Palestinian Jews volunteered and served in the British Armed Forces in WWII, 734 of whom died.
You ignore the 400 Jewish volunteers who fought in Libya in the battle of Bir-el Harmat.
The Jewish Brigade fought against the Germans in Italy until the end of the war in May 1945. They fought alongside the Irish regiments - one of those Irish soldiers was my uncle - an Irish Anglican 'Zionist' to the end of his days out of loyalty to those comrades.
Stern, was radicalised by the Arab riots, incited by the Mufti, in 1929. The British response to the riots in which 135 Jews were murdered and 300 injured was to 'remove' the Jews and placate the Arabs.
Stern then joined the Irgun believing the British were the biggest obstacle to a Jewish homeland. And why wouldn't he. It was surely a very strange decision.
In 1940, when Irgun suspended all activities against the British for the duration of the war, Stern split away and formed his own terrorist group, a small group but deeply resented by great numbers of Jews in Israel. He was shot by the British in 1942.
Extraordinary, all this talk of proportionality; yet, here we are, presented with a tiny group of unrepresentative Jews which existed for precisely two years; NO MENTION of the 30,000+ Palestinian Jews who actually fought FOR the Allies. Hmm!
Any thoughts on the Arab Nazi legion recruited by the Mufti Charles?
Adam B.
January 9th, 2009 11:50pmKateA, masterly!
You've lost now Charles...
Derek
January 10th, 2009 12:20amHonourable Englishmen feel shame and disgrace when reading Melanie Philipps' articles on the anti-semitic thuggery and propaganda in the country. In one of the most vigorous periods of our history, many of our finest people thought of ourselves as the new Israel. "Israel" is one of the standards of our civilization and Jewish Englishmen are one of the most valued sections of our people. What is to be done? What is to be done?
Charlie
January 10th, 2009 12:45amIs it true two soldiers hung by the Stern Gang were former members of the Commandos which if they had been caught by the Nazis would have been executed. In addition, the Stern Gang gang sent a letter bomb to the parents home of Roy.Farran a former SAS officer . Unfortunately the letter was opened by R.Farran, Ray Farran's 12 year old brother who was either injured or murdered. The use of terrorism by Stern/Irgun against those who risked being murdered and or tortured by the Nazis and the fact that the Israeli government has, I believe ,disowned their actions , done much to dicredit Israel.
Lawson
January 10th, 2009 1:08amOnce again our gratitude is due to Melanie for exposing what the media,in general, and the BBC,in particular, are too sick morally to present.
I pray daily that Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - whom I identify in Yeshua - will always be the personal guard of your body and spirit as you maintain your excellent service of shining a moral light into our darkened, dysfunctional society.
An American
January 10th, 2009 1:48amIt will be interesting to see what our new American President will do about the Israel Gaza war...his staff are now in the process of putting out feelers to Hamas for a meeting with 'The One'.
Certainly our 'Messiah's' ego is big enough to believe that his sparkling smile and charming personality can win over the Hamas leadership...then Hamas will calmly put down their weapons and embrace all Israelis.
The brilliant Americans that voted for Barrack Hussein Obama believed him when he said he would lower the oceans...so why not?
But...back to reality. Obama will give Hamas worldwide recognition and respect when he meets with them. That's the only thing he will achieve but perhaps that's what he intended in the the first place.
Omar
January 10th, 2009 2:56amThe most astonishing feature of these events is that in each and every instance of anti-semitic agression that has occurred in the past week or so, muslims have been the violent actors. It is the jews - and only the jews - who are forced to teach their children behind security fences and alarm systems in France and Britain and many other places across Europe. And yet, the MSM has absolutley NO problem believing - and portraying - Israel and the jews as genocidal villains. Simply Amazing.
John W
January 10th, 2009 3:28amPhil said.
Does anyone think the Jewish community would tolerate its young people attacking members of another faith-I am sure the answer is no and yet
Go on You Tube and search for Israeli Settlers, one young Israeli says F### you, will killed Jesus and we'll kill you. I'm not making his up you can see it yourself. This is one of the milder videos. The IDF in a field bashing a mans arm with a large rock, or taking a Palestinian behind a truck and beating him up, or Settler Children stoning Palestinian Children trying to get home from School while the IDF watch. Do some more research and you might find out the truth.
Ben
January 10th, 2009 6:40am"the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany's side."
Stern realized that the Germans were planning to exterminate the Jews of Europe. He saw that the British had closed the doors of Palestine to Jewish refugees, and were lobbying to prevent Jewish refugees from finding safety anywhere. He also realized that the British would not lift a finger to prevent the extermination from happening, and that they would exploit Jewish contributions to the fight for their empire while giving nothing in return. His offer to fight alongside Germany was intended to save Jewish lives - a noble and moral aim.
During the war that ensued, 500000 American Jews, 500000 Soviet Jews and 200000 other Jews participated in the Allied war effort. In return, not a single policy, campaign or action was ever carried out by the Allies to save Europe's Jews. Most were murdered, where most could have been saved. After the war, British Foreign Secretary Bevin accused the Jewish survivors of "pushing to the head of the queue", and took steps to ensure that they were placed at the very end. He even ordered that refugees on ships bound for Palestine be reincarcerated in concentration camps.
Britain is still in denial about its role in the Holocaust, and its indirect responsibility for many of the deaths.
Charles
January 10th, 2009 10:45amKateA,
I was not writing an essay on the subject. I was responding to Stanley of Jerusalem's criticism of Chamberlain. In case you have not noticed, the Spectator is a long established conservatively inclined publication. Neville Chamberlain was a Conservative Prime Minister who took this country into war, with every possibility that we would lose and be subjugated to a totalitarian regime (which Stern venerated). When you find me making critical comments about past Israeli politicians on the Jerusalem Post website, then you can call me "bitter". In the meantime, tell me precisely which words in my original response are problematical? The objective phrase would seem to be ".. Chamberlain may have made some errors in dealing with the Nazis, but in this he was not alone..". That would seem to be a generous way of describing Stern's actions, don't you think?
Ros Morris
January 10th, 2009 2:34pmJordanian muslim on flight from Amman to Hong Kong, sitting next to Israeli who had just flown from Tel Aviv on Jordanian Airlines to Amman. When Jordanian heard that he was sitting next to the Israeli, he leant over to him and said (not so quietly) 'Go and finish off the bastards...!' No love lost there, then. Vis a vis Jews and the UK: We're doomed. We may as well pack up and go to Israel now. There's no future here - something that I've watched happening over the last few years. It's utterly depressing to read the Have Your Say on the BBC website. It's over 95% pro-Hamas. Totally unbalanced and notwithstanding the BBC charter not to publish anything that is 'inflammatory' - what a load of bull! Most of these call Israel a 'terrorist state' and call for its demise.
Dave M
January 10th, 2009 2:58pmThe trouble with the British Press and political classes as a whole is they seem to believe accommodating extremists is the easiest option. They don't fully understand the uncompromising nature of Islamic fundamentalism. Lately I was left quite disappointed by a number of articles I read in the centre right press thus far. Stephen Glover, for example, wrote:
"Arab television channels are showing relentless footage of
the deaths and horrible injuries of innocent civilians in Gaza. These pictures will understandably outrage hundreds of millions of people in the Muslim world."
This line of reasoning is the one that causes very many centre right journalists to wobble. The difficulty is if democratic States don't use military action to defend themselves against suicide bombers and rocket attacks our civilization will be in greater peril. The reasoning that confronting terrorists by military means should be curbed due to possible radicalisation of Europe's muslim populations (or the Middle East)is a non starter. That would be akin to Churchill having warned we shouldn't bomb Hitler's Germany as such an action might "radicalise" Japan, Spain and Italy and strengthen the S.S. It really is a huge mistake to even consider passive acceptance of terrorists on the grounds those who might sympathise with their cause may join ranks. The general line in the U.K. is that we should all negotiate with Hamas as Britain tried with the I.R.A. but Hamas isn't in any way similar to the IRA or ETA. Hamas plain and simply wants to see the entire Middle East under Islamic fundamentalist domination and all Jews driven away from the region. To attain this goal it is ready and willing to sacrifice its own people as human shields in order to win the propaganda war.
Linda Rivera
January 10th, 2009 3:44pmThe RELIGIOUS Hamas Charter of Venomous Hate & Jewish Genocide:
Hamas Charter:
'Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'
Palestinian Authority Muslims voted for Hamas. 70% of PA Muslims support suicide bombings. Thousands of PA Muslims celebrate in the streets and pass out sweets whenever Jews are murdered by their heroes-Muslim human bomb killers.
In America, the goal is made clear: Subjugating non-Muslims under cruel Islamic sharia law where defenseless non-Muslims have no human rights.
Council on American-Islamic Relations: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar Ahmad (CAIR co-founder).
Addressing a youth session at the 1999 Islamic Association for Palestine's annual convention in Chicago, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) founder Omar Ahmad praised suicide bombers who "kill themselves for Islam,"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52184
Linda Rivera
January 10th, 2009 4:05pmHamas/PA Target JEWISH INNOCENTS. Israel Targets Terrorists
Israel sends truck load after truck load of food, medical supplies and other supplies into Gaza. Israeli hospital treats Gaza patients in urgent need.
An Israeli hospital treated a young Muslim woman - she returned strapped with a bomb belt to blow up amongst the Jewish doctors and nurses who helped her, but was caught.
The Islamo Fascists commit war crimes: they use human shields; hide behind women and children; wage war from densely populated areas, store and fire rockets from residential buildings, schools, hospitals and mosques to deliberately MAXIMISE Arab injuries and deaths so that when Israel fires back in self defense and accidently kills civilians, the Islamics scream to the world, but the blood of the Arabs is on the heads of the Islamo Fascists.
An American
January 10th, 2009 4:24pmI find it incredibly unbelievable that British Jews are now afraid for their lives ...this can't be happening in today's world.
Come to the US...we'll protect you. I would guess that approximately 75% of Americans support Israel in its fight for survival and Jews their freedoms.
The demonstrations here are almost non-existent...small, with mostly old hippies, kooks and liberal spoiled college bums. Our media is ignoring them.
So far, our Muslim population is small too except for some areas of the east coast and Michigan. It's interesting that Muslims would settle in one of the states that has the most welfare and least jobs available...seems like home to them, I guess.
The US needs to close the doors to all Muslims now before we become another UK.
What can UK and European politicians be thinking when their goverments refuse to protect Jewish citizens at the expense of offending the very people who are rioting in the streets and have every intention of destroying their society. Don't these politicians know they will be next?
phil
January 10th, 2009 4:58pmCharles --"phil,
Classic. Anything vaguely critical and one's an 'anti-semite"-no charles it wasnt meant as a joke-we have had you before have we not ?,always with the same agenda -These threads are very democratic and you seem to be able to say most things ,so enjoy your self as we will do ,but you will remain our joke .
phil
January 10th, 2009 5:10pmJohn W.being Jewish does not stop one being a lunatic .if your facts are correct that is what those people are and we do not defend them.It may just be also a fabricated video by hamas which is not a new phenomena-nevertheless I have no doubt almost every Jew would join me in condemning such behaviour-they demean us .
phil
January 10th, 2009 5:22pmKateA forgive the humour on a serious subject but "you dun im girl"I think in this case though it was not too hard .,he has been here before with similar results -he has even forgotten the grand mufti spent the war with hitler and his actions no doubt influenced the world when the UN vote took place .He has settled on a minute speck of Jewish history, one that was reviled by the overwhelming majority in order to advance his "case" -I am only bothering with him because so much of the football is off today and the keyboard is warm as are my regards to you .
Adam B.
January 10th, 2009 5:40pmJohnW, what does this prove? That there are some Jews who aren't nice? For whom do these individuals speak, other than themselves?
Now look at Hamas speeches, officially sanctioned by this terror organization.
Adam B.
January 10th, 2009 5:42pmI think the broken link can be seen on this page, along with some others:
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001003.html
Sam Armstrong
January 10th, 2009 5:46pmAn American
January 10th, 2009 4:24pm
"Don't these politicians know they will be next?"
If your question was not rhetorical then the answer is No. I believe they are thinking that they will be able to drop the Muslims before they have a chance to take over. They either think that they are in control of Islamism or they are too blind to see it even exists, or too scared to voice their true opinion.
I also think your condemnation of the UK as practically finished as a nation state may prove to be hubristic after a term or two of Obama. Your version of Gramscian, mind-controlling, top-down, race obsessed, One World style New Labour is coming. Over 50% of your population thinks it is now liberal. You have elected a President whose middle name is Muslim. Although further back, the US has embarked on the same road of national suicide.
phil
January 10th, 2009 5:52pmAn American-I applaud you for your support and your gracious offer -
The problems we are having with the Muslim population is one to be honest I can understand in the circumstances -they are seeing their co.religionists in the direst of danger .so I think it is only natural for them to be angry -I too am angry both for them and the Israelis ,all have been put in this tragic position by a group of Godless lunatics ,who put two nations in harms way to further their dastardly cause .
Peace and prosperity is there stretching out its hand and they cannot grasp it -how stupid has this world become that it cannot see right from wrong? ,.our press and BBC is full of hate for both Israelis and Jews ,whipped up by self serving journalists who enjoy an audience regardless of the consequences .Con Coughlin wrote a far seeing article in the Daily Telegraph today ,but you can be sure he will be ignored .not by the intelligent reader but by those that are the most vociferous .Con I believe had the good fortune to be educated in Ireland where citizens can read ,write and think .They also have shown how to put tragedy behind them ,to prosper and grow (prior to the recent economic blows)
I still have hope that the Muslims here will throw off the shackles of their Islam -fascists for I truly believe that the majority are little different from the other two major faiths and want to see their children grow and be educated in a peaceful world -we were on our way before 9/11 and we can get there again A full belly and a warm home works wonders and I just wish those in the hell of Gaza would stretch out the hand of peace and join us .
At the moment we have differing opinions of O ,its not long to go now before we find out who was right -I hope for all our sakes it is me :)regards to you
Charles
January 10th, 2009 6:09pmphil,
I had no idea that I had made such an impression on you. I've only posted here on a few occasions and mainly in response to critical comments relating to Britain in WW1 & 2. If it is alright with you (in your capacity as 'blog guardian') and Melanie, I will continue to make my contribution.
phil
January 10th, 2009 7:22pmCharles.be Mels guest .you are giving us all a good laugh -it is you from Windsor is it not ,or is my memory playing tricks -I am flattered m,lud but dont use the word guardian please (poo)
Herbert Thornton
January 10th, 2009 8:02pmUnless Britain recognises that Political Correctness is as corrosive as extremist Islam, I fear that Jews in Britain are not going to experience any improvement. Ezra Levant's blog headed "Reality Check on On Gaza" contains a comment by Observer (01.09.09 - 3:00 pm) which links to a cartoon that sums up the situation in Britain rather well. - http://www.haloscan.com/comments/ezralevant/677/
An American
January 10th, 2009 8:19pmSam Armstrong,
I didn't mean to offend.
I can only go by what I'm reading on these latest blog. Jews are talking about fleeing the UK...is there a hysteria going on there or are things really as bad as they sound?
I agree with you on Obama and the direction the US is going...apparently you haven't been reading my previous comments. Some of Melanie's bloggers constantly attack me on my comments about Obama and the dire direction my country is heading. We now have a socialist president who was raised as a Muslim that I believe will put Islam before the US...but that's just my opinion.
I believe that people must fight for their own coutry and their freedoms...but if things get that bad for Jews in the UK and Europe...maybe an exodus of a lot of their taxpayers would wake up these ridiculous goverments.
More than likely we agree on most things...I do read your blogs.
simon
January 10th, 2009 8:19pmMelanie - when will you come and speak out? We need you.
Will you be at the Trafalgar Square march tomorrow?
Linda Rivera
January 10th, 2009 10:13pmTo An American: TV news is not covering this much. Look on the internet. You are apparently not aware of the huge, hostile Muslim demonstrations in America in a lot of states against Jewish self-defense If it were not for police protection, some very bad things would happen to our pro-Israel people. Thousands of pro-Hamas Muslims were at the New York Times Square protest last Saturday - only a few of us pro-Israel people across the street. In our Western country, extremely loud Islamic prayers were blasted through a loudspeaker into New York City streets - we were FORCED against our will to listen to Islamic prayers even though we worship a G-D the total opposite of Islam's god. Our rights were violated.
There is another huge demonstration tomorrow Sunday in Times Square, New York at l p.m. There will be a counter rally for Israel.
Sam Armstrong
January 11th, 2009 12:21amAn American
January 10th, 2009 8:19pm
I'm not offended at all and always enjoy your posts, although I must have missed a few. I was just sticking up for Britain, which is still populated by many sane, decent people. I genuinely go to sleep at night thankful that the US is an ally of Britain (just about) because it keeps me safer, which means that when Americans point out the stark reality of how the 'special relationship' is floundering... well it kind of hurts!
Sam Armstrong
January 11th, 2009 12:43amAn American
January 10th, 2009 8:19pm
I agree with you totally about Obama, he's on the same page as Blair was and will remove power from Middle America and give it directly to your society's minority groups.
I agree with the right-wing Jews that something very sinister is going on. An organised exodus of Jews would be catastrophic for Britain, and like any sanction would endanger our society, so I don't agree with that.
What we need is another march through our institutions to try and clear out the ideologues. I do think this will happen eventually. Mrs Thatcher helped destroy economic Marxism; we will find a figurehead and a way to destroy cultural Marxism.
Charles
January 11th, 2009 10:44amphil,
Good grief. Dad? Brutally charming, as ever.
R McKie
January 11th, 2009 12:53pmWhat bothers me is that we all seem to agree that there is a serious and dangerous problem. How do we get together and organise, lobby, protest, shout, scream and make the other view heard by those in power. We have a government of Neville Chamberlin's who are spineless in the face of outright aggression. Does Anyone know a group I can join, got any ideas!!! Let's do something before we have a civil war in this benighted country...where is the new Churchill?
An American
January 11th, 2009 1:21pmLinda Rivera,
I live in the southwest and the protests and people here have been small in the dozens and perhaps several hundreds. You unfortunately live in one part of the US that is driving the far left socialist agenda in pursuit of destroying our country.
Of course, we know that this Islamic problem is spewing its poison worldwide. I can't tell you how angry I become when I hear that there are communities in our country that now wake up to a Mosque loudspeaker calling for the Islam call to worship.
Our country was founded on Christianity and the Christians better wake up before their right to worship their God and their country and its freedoms are taken away from them.
God bless you for standing up for Israel and all sane peoples.
How about taking on our liberal pro-Hamas press with some signs while you're at it...since the press is part of the problem. Fox might have the nerve to show them.
The only good news for the media is bad news...its what they live for!
An American
January 11th, 2009 1:23pmDear Pete,
Just curious...everytime I write about the US and the right to bear arms...you don't include it...are you against people defending themselves?
An American
January 11th, 2009 1:35pmSam Armstrong,
I like your name by the way.
I understand where you are coming from. You love your country and want to protect it. We're all in dire trouble.... I believe the US is five to ten years behind the UK in this Islamic invasion and feel we can learn something from the UK and Europes' Muslim infestation...if only our press will report it. They of course, have no intention to...they would perfer to wait until it is too late.
We had some French friends visit recently who say the Muslims are literally taking over their country...they can't understand why the US can't learn from Europe's mistakes and were aghast that we voted in a socialist Muslim for president...
An American
January 11th, 2009 1:37pmSam Armstrong,
I like your name by the way.
I understand where you are coming from. You love your country and want to protect it. We're all in dire trouble.... I believe the US is five to ten years behind the UK in this Islamic invasion and feel we can learn something from the UK and Europes' Muslim infestation...if only our press will report it. They of course, have no intention to...they would perfer to wait until it is too late.
We had some French friends visit recently who say the Muslims are literally taking over their country...they can't understand why the US can't learn from Europe's mistakes and were aghast that we voted in a socialist Muslim for president...
Pete Hoskin
January 11th, 2009 1:42pmAn American: I should stress that comment moderation doesn't reflect my views, prejudices or otherwise - and nor should it. And, also, comments often don't get through for technical reasons.
If you think one of your comments should be showing up, but isn't, you can always fire me an e-mail on phoskin @ spectator.co.uk and I'll do my best to sort it out.
Dave M
January 11th, 2009 2:38pm"Jews are talking about fleeing the UK...is there a hysteria going on there or are things really as bad as they sound?"
It's as bad as it sounds. The area where I live has been steadily losing its manufacturing base over the last decade. Mosques are springing up everywhere too. The latest is to be as big as a sports stadium and designed as one of the focal points of the city. Yet nobody was asked to vote on the issue. The pretext is that of diversity but there are already several mosques in the region so the question you ask is why not build a Krishna Temple or something else instead? I've never held the view that all muslims are radical and all mosques extreme, especially those that exist in the U.S. which are more harmonious. However, Political Islam in the U.K. has a reputation for being so extreme even a visiting Iraqi diplomat was shocked after he visited one mosque where a cleric was preaching. His view was that in Iraq, the U.K. mosque would have been closed down for being too radical. As John Sentamu warned some months ago, the fall of conservatism in the U.K. the breakdown of family life, the trumpeting of "universal values" as well as multiculturalism have created a void in society. Political Islam is now filling that void because there seems to be no moral, ethical alternative to counter it. On the other hand, Americans have their own specific outlook based on democracy and westernisation which, for the time being, has led to greater cohesion.
Jack
January 11th, 2009 4:30pmWhen millions of Muslims emigrate to a nation, events as described above are inevitable. The story told in this column is no different than one told by any number of jews in any number of European cities. Even if only 10%, even if only 2%, of muslims who move to a Western nation harbor feelings of hate towards Jews, whatever the reason for the hatred, their large numbers and their culture of blame and violence will inevitably lead to attacks upon jews.
There are no exceptions to this rule.
If Israel were to vanish from the Earth today, this would not change.
The political elite in England either do not believe this is true because they believe that the muslims will gradually westernize, or do not have the guts for a fight to protect their own culture and the Jews that have contributed to it.
The Islamic demographic tide continues to wash of Europe. It is not slowing. In a generation there will be no safe places for Jews in Europe.
Either fight now, with all the power that Jews still have - in the media, in politics, in the financial world, in the legal world - or pack your bags and try to make a stand in Canada, Australia or the US, or go to Israel and fight. But doing nothing and thinking there will not be a problem is no different than what the Jews of German were doing in the 1930's. Not one iota.
Times change. The security and sympathy jews have taken for granted after WWII is rapidly disappearing. Doing nothing will not bring it back.
The demographics of religion are immutable. 1-2 billion muslims and growing rapidly. 20 millions jews at most, and fading due to intermarriage and lapsed faith.
1-2 billion who have little to lose and are driven by an aggressive expansionist religion that has no restrictions on use of violence vs 20 million among whom number many decadent spoiled individuals with no moral compass, and who too often aid the enemy rather than their own cause. A single country of 6 million surrounded by dozens of countries with hundreds of millions of citizens and immeasurable oil wealth.
History tells us how these situations usually turn out.
An American
January 11th, 2009 4:52pmThank you Pete...
Dave M,
Thank you for your comments.
I believe what you say is sad but true about what is happening in the UK.
I'm not sure if it's true that Muslims are more moderate in the US than the UK...just fewer, population wise. Give them more time and more babies and they will be doing the same thing here as there.
It goes without saying that some of us in the US are concerned we are seeing our future by observing the UK and Europe.
With a US economy in shambles that started with our socialist-leaning Democratic Congress forcing our banks to give home loans to people who couldn't make their first payments.
We now have a newly elected Socialist, Muslim-raised President and a Socialist-leaning Congress in complete power...It seems we're following right in your country's footsteps.
Many sane Americans are scared stiff and pretty darn angry about what is happening here.
I've lost all respect for Americans..our liberal schools have dumbed them down, they are completely uninformed...if and when they do vote...they don't know what and who they are voting for. If they are capable of reading, they read People magazine, watch liberal movies filled with propaganda and CNN...that's where they get their information. No wonder they voted for that cute black guy with the great smile who promised to lower the oceans.
Obama will move slowly to fulfill his agenda to socialize America...I only hope we can stop him and his faithful followers. Our poor economy will help him in his goal to socialize everything in sight and hire hundreds of millions of more goverment employees ...most of these jobs will go to the needy who can barely read...Obama's worshippers.
President Jefferson recommended a revolution now and again to keep our country on track...its time for one.
An American
January 11th, 2009 6:19pmJack,
Great comments.
'no safe place for Jews in Europe"...how about no safe place for anyone except Muslims in Europe"...Islamic Muslims are winning the war without firing a single shot... they're just breeding everyone out of existence.
And don't think it will be safe in Canada, Australia or the US for much longer...it's coming here too with the help of our socialist goverments. Canada is is the worst of the lot. The rate things are going up north, we may be at war with them one day because of their open-door policy to Islamic radicals and terroists.
I agree with you that time is running our for the UK and Europe if it is to remain truly European and not a corrupted version of the Middle East...God help them... They need to act now.
roGER
January 12th, 2009 12:18pmThis is an appalling story and I failo to understand why there has been no media reporting about it.
Did the gentlemen concerned contact the police?
Did he contact any newspapers?
Did he get a chance to describe the attackers? They need to be caught.
Who are the policemen or women who gave such extraordinary advice as to: "go away for a couple of days since there are lots of 'unknown' people in the area who could make the place unsafe."
This story should be frontpage news; but it also needs details so the guilty can be caught and punished.
Potkin Azarmehr
January 12th, 2009 1:36pmNow the BBC have Press TV's help as well to really pile on the moral blackmail on UK's Muslims. Very little awareness but a lot of emotional provacation.
If you need specific examples of how the BBC is not doing a balanced report, consider these two cases:
- Peaceful demo by 'Iranian Mothers for Peace' is broken up by Islamic Republic hired thugs who shouted 'Death to Peace Lovers'. If BBC reported this it would show what the Iranian government's real agenda in GAza is.
- The main Iranian student body, the OCU, reformist Islamic society - condemned Hamas and those who finance and arm Hamas. BBC didnt report this, yet when a staged managed government controlled demo by some 200 Baseej students takes place, the BBC simply referes to them as Iranian students demonstrate against Gaza.
Why do we have to pay licence fees to this biased news broadcasting which is endangering the very fabric of our society in UK.
Iftikhar Awan
January 12th, 2009 1:42pmI abhor racism of any kind and racist attacks on anyone of whatever faith, creed or nationality. I feel sad for any Jew who is attacked in the UK or elsewhere. However, being an innocent Palestinian in Gaza is much worse at the moment, as you are attacked and killed by one of the world's largest military, whilst their US allies hold their coats and watch on!
charles soper
January 12th, 2009 6:36pmI am neither Jewish nor Israeli, but I shall wear an Israeli flag pin from now on - enough is enough.
Dave M
January 12th, 2009 10:09pm"The political elite in England either do not believe this is true because they believe that the muslims will gradually westernize, or do not have the guts for a fight to protect their own culture and the Jews that have contributed to it."
History tends to indicate humanity passes through periods and cycles of enlightenment and also cycles of stagnation. The Classical Greek period, for example, was a period of enlightenment, scientific advancement, philosophy, logic and arts. The Roman period that followed was also one of huge strides in art, culture and science. However, the Romans made one huge mistake. They also embraced multiculturalism, even more so than the U.S. and Europe today. I believe the Roman multicultural experiment began to really take root under Claudius since Claudius was an out-and-out liberal. He favoured unrestrained immigration to the point citizenship was handed out like lottery tickets during festivals. At any rate, Greco/Roman civilization fell for a number of reasons and the Dark Ages followed. Europe could once again be entering such a Dark Age. The snag is that today, although we see science continually advancing, more and more ordinary people seem to be imitating the mindset of the Middle Ages. Age-old, stagnant beliefs such as the assumed inferiority of women to men, total subjugation to dogma and creed, close-mindedness and rejection of democracy all seem to be back in vogue. Most worrying of all is we have political leaders in control who have no specific training in politics at all. A very far cry from Greek ideals on democracy indeed.
cizi
January 13th, 2009 2:58amSomeone recently told me of Hungarian immigrants to Britain that would be returning to Hungary because the general level of racism and antisemitism in Britain was too unpleasant to justify staying. That's pretty sad, but likely a good move on their part.
Herbert Thornton
January 13th, 2009 3:24amR McKie - It seems (so far) that there is some impediment to my replying to your question about what group you can join. I have tried to respond twice, and have asked for Peter Hoskin's help, using the email address he gives, but so far to no avail. Perhaps it will work if I type the name of the group backwards! - viz. PNB....
Marco
January 13th, 2009 6:02amI am in the unique position of being half jewish and half muslim. i have had family that perished during the Nazi regime, Stalin's regime.
I do not sanction violence especially violence against civilians, be iot an orthodox Jew being attacked in London or a palestinian being blown up in Gaza.
The problem is hardliners on both sides. Both Jewiah and Islamic fundamentalism are partly the root causes and definately the maintainers of the current conflict.
As to the situation back home I think that the picture you (plural) portray is very bleak and extremely far fetched. A civil war in the UK? A mass exodus of the Anglo-Jewery to Israel? Islam taking over Europe and the US? ARE YOU INSANE????? I'm sorry but the UK is still British the only diference is that we have tolerance. If we didn't have any tolerance then most of us would still be in parts of teh world far from Europe. I myself am a mixture of South African and Pakistani heritage. I would never have been born.
Finally looking at the media again some comments are far out of place. Looking at the scores its Hamas 4 - Isreal 980 something. Not very diplomatic when you've murdered 1000 civilians. And why bring the Nazi holocaust into it. there is no planned extermination and comparing such issues only distorts the situation.
Wjhat should I have expected from a rather right wing literary source.
Mohammed Cohen
January 13th, 2009 8:22amits true that few officials are trained in proper political analysis.
The Israeli military junta spring to mind immediately.
Georges Tremblay
January 13th, 2009 11:49amThe English have always been a deeply anti-Semitic population, but also a population particularly adept at self-deception. Anti-Semitism is as English as bangers and mash. It hasn't gone away.
No wonder the Scots and the Welsh want to have done with the English.
Herbert Thornton
January 13th, 2009 3:50pmThere are also many people whose racism includes being not only anti-Semitic, but deeply anti-Anglo-Saxon - as anybody who has had much to do with Quebec knows.
Kate Jones
January 28th, 2009 3:11pmTo refer to all those people who have educated themselves about the goings on in Gaza and who as a result, condemn the actions of Israel, including many jews, as anti semites is just beyond belief to me.
Finally people are opposing British media and politics which operates within the Zionist Paradigm. Why is Israel above any criticism? The Anti Semetic argument is just not satisfactory. Israel needs to be called to account for it's crimes.