Molotov latte to go, please

Barry Larking

My local M&S has had one of its entrances smashed (13.01.09). No news of this locally or nationally.

Daibhidh MacAdhaimh

These irrational acts reveal just how ignorant, pathalogically unhinged and out of control the perpetrators are.
With an extremist presence now firmly embedded in our porous country, the cowardly and morally bankrupt print media in particular is hardly going to report these acts of wanton destruction lest it too is singled out for mindless attacks.
Oh for a much needed leader of Cromwell's stature.

Austin Barry

Thank God the wonderful Bloom's Restuarant had the foresight to quit Whitechapel High Street back in the 1990s. This sickening nonsense is, I suspect, just a precursor of something much worse to come.

Alf Tupper

I've just been out and bought my six months' supply of Ben & Jerry's in. The bastards are getting a bit too close to home.

Dee Ranged

'No Go' areas are now likely to intensify as the jack-booted Islamofascists vent their evil intentions.

Rob-NY

Starbucks is also a symbol of America. I remember the anti-globalization riots on Oxford Steet on May Day, 2001 when Starbucks was targeted. I never buy coffee at Starbucks but after that experience in London, every May First I make a point of buying something there as a form of defiance against the far-left (and now Islamofascists) who want to intimadate the public.

Michael

I threw a brick at a Starbucks once.

The coffee is utterly awful.

Brian Moshe

I don't recall the moment when I first saw it, but ever since, whenever I have entered a shop or other business I knew to Jewish, my thoughts would go back to the infamous black and white photograph of uniformed nazi thugs standing outside a Jewish-owned shop in Berlin in the early 1930s.

It is an image of a fairly modest draper's shop with manequin dummies in the window and I knew it was a Jewish-owned business because the nazis had crudely painted a Star of David and a German slogan including the word JUDEN on the window.

The other day I saw a photograph of a similar window taken in Golders Green, apparently the work of men of Muslim appearence, who accused diners in a restaurant of being 'JEWS'. As it was a kosher restaurant it is very probable that the customers were indeed Jews.

It seemed to me thirty or forty years ago that it was unlikely (although quite possible) that one day we would again see such barbarous activity and in the England where I lived and grew up and was both the son and grandson of refugees.

What surprises me, even though I am not easily surprised, is the speed with which it suddenly becomes possible for people whom successive British governments have allowed to come here to the the contentious figure of two million (personally, I believe this is a vast underestimate) and it is from within this group of newcomers who are doing what used to be the work of the nazis and neo-nazis.

As I am in the USA at the moment I don't have time to trawl the whole English national media but until I read Melanie's report above I had no idea a second Starbucks had been attacked. Nor did I know Tescos was under attack - yet....

Last week George Galloway MP called on the ugly mob he was addressing to take the fight (against Israel's existence) into the malls and boycott "Israel's shops".

One presumes he regards any Jewish business as Israel's shops since he didn't actually name any Israeli-owned businesses.

Despite the fact that I personally have tried to boycott Muslim businesses for years I would never expect others to do so nor would I ever do anything to damage Muslim premises. I don't patronise Muslim businesses because all adult Muslims pay a tithe (zakhat) to their mosque of 5% of their annual income. Once that money is in mosque hands it may well end up being used in ways that threaten Jews.

Many British people know that some famous shops are owned by Jews and it is entirely up to them whether or not they want to patronise these businesses. When someone delivering for Tesco - surely someone the Left would regard as a 'worker' - is attacked and needs hospital treatment then the boycott of 'Israel's shops' is not simply a case of boycott but is being transmuted into actual physical war.

It is difficult to accept, but has to be faced, that this is like the months following Hitler's rise, but just before he was elected into power. German and Austrian Jews seem on the whole to have rather naively stayed put until for most of them it was too late to escape, hoping either that Hitler wouldn't come to power, or if he did it would be only for a few months, or that his anti-semitism would be somehow temporary.

What we see today in England is not exactly the same set of circumstances, but it is my firm belief it will sooner, rather than later, have the same outcome for those Jews who ignore the obvious signs of what lies ahead.

There is one great difference however between 1930/33 and 2008/20??: there is now a Jewish state. If I have to go there with nothing I will go there when the situation demands a choice between being a victim or rejecting that fate.

Something tells me we are nearly there.

Jack R

There's even, apparently, some 'Islamic jihad' type picketing of a London cinema showing the new film, DEFIANCE'.
This film is about Jewish resistance to the Nazis in the Second World War.

A generation ago, virtually all the political left would have supported such a film.

The 'Sunday Times' (4 Jan) had an interview with Daniel Craig, one of the actors in the film 'DEFIANCE'. Here is part of the interview:

'“Well, the big story is the obvious one: that there was total annihilation of the Jewish population in Europe,” Craig says, explaining why it took so long for the facts behind 'Defiance' to come to light, mainly because of the reluctance of those who took part in it to talk until many years later. “So, in a way, this is a small story about a relatively small number of people who resisted. But there was also survivor guilt. And they did bad things to survive – though that makes for an interesting moral argument.”

'The film highlights the intense differences between Tuvia, the leader of the Bielskiotriad, and his brother Zus, played by Schreiber, over tactics and morality. Zus favoured retribution, not only against the Nazis, but against the locals who sided with them. Tuvia believed they needed to survive with their morality intact. “We may be hunted like animals,” he declares in the film, “but we will not become like animals.”

'“That’s the question, isn’t it?” Craig says. “What’s worth fighting for? What I find fascinating was that this normal man, a farmer, was thrust into the role of leadership and somehow figured out these great moral questions. That really made the story interesting for me.”'

Hysteria

and as my friends in Houston say "time to buy food and ammo...."

T E Marongoni

I wonder how they would be treated if this kind of immigrants was living countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt etc, and they behave like the way they behave in Britain?

I guess they be send back to their countries next day in a plane or banana boat

stanley Jerusalem

Pastor martin Niemoller wrote:-
Original Translation
Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Jude.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Dixon

The perpetrators must be those "youths" that were terrorizing the french suburbs not so long ago.

Adam B.

Michael, what a stupid thing to say, especially given the context.

Adam B.

RobNY, in much the same way, I make a point of buying Israeli products at the supermarket. In this way, I undo the "work" of 10 of the hate boycotters and stick two fingers up to these thugs who are unfortunately roaming British streets.

Paul

Thanks for making all this known to the world. Please continue to do this, tiring and frustrating as it must seem.

Dave M

The good news is Israel appears to be winning this war convincingly and has given Islamic extremists a bloody nose. Yes, it's terrible to see children injured and caught up in the violence but really Israel didn't have a choice but to react to the rocket fire. Also, compared with the Russian military intervention in Chechnya, I think the IDF has tried to comply with international law, in so far as this is possible. The Russian response to apartment block bombings in Moscow was more heavy handed than Israel's action, I think, yet Russia didn't suffer hundreds of missiles being fired at them. In Israel's case the provocation was extreme. I also think if Israel had just kept putting any reponse off, more and more rockets would have been fired, maybe more lethal devices. There is bound to be an increase in anti Israeli feeling for the time being but this may soon change when peace can be given a greater chance, without Hamas.

Winston Smith

Well then, it looks as though I'm just going to have to make an even bigger effort to go to Starbucks.
This is disgraceful, but it's in the East End of London and the Police will turn a blind eye. They tend to do this sort of thing if there is any disorder involving Islam. I know of countless situations where attacks on Non Muslims by Muslims is simply ignored by the Police, or should I say, the CPS never take the cases to court.

Time to support Israel even more I think. I'll have to pop up to Golders Green for more eating out I think.

HarleyDavidson

Brian Moshe
First, welcome to our side of the pond. Nevertheless, your post is extremely troubling. Thanks to Melaine's article few of us on this side of the world would have known any of these incidents documented here. It is hard for us on this side of the pond to imagine how old World War 2 images of Jews and Jewish establishments could possibly reoccur all over again.

Granted we have more than our fair share of murderers, misfits, gun toting red necks,(I'm one) weirdos, (does Al Gore and his Global warming idiocy count?) left wing morons, anarchists, global community alarmists and associated Muslim groups complete with their terror supporters, however few if any of those have gone this far.

Perhaps you aught to know Congress and the Senate passed a resolution by a 410-8 vote in support of Israel. On this side of the pond we don't suck up to the Terror inc aka Hamas/ Hezbollah/Syria/Iran and their mob accomplices ruling the streets of the EU and Britain.

In Israel at least you will be free just as you would over here. Once again, welcome to a world where sanity is still in effect.

D.Smith

I remember my father's old boss- a great influence on his life- left Germany in 1933 because he said he knew Hitler would do as he said and destroy the Jews. His family ,like many others, stayed believing that the Nazis could be worked with and that anyway the ordinary Germans and the rest of Europe would control Hitler somehow.
He survived and with my father ran a factory making parachutes during the war. His family vanished in the holocaust.
As a child I grew up with many European Jews who had sought refuge in England.
They are all gone now and it seems beyond belief that the first signs of what our liberal intelligentsia excuses as understandable but is better referred to as Jew baiting should happen in this England which once offered refuge.
AS has been said by others at least this time Israel is there and can provide the refuge this country cannot.

Vision Aforethought

@Brian Moshe: I think many of us echo your sentiments.

brian smith

Well maybe if these businesses expressed their disgust at the war crimes, which Israel are guilty of over the past weeks, then these thugs would have nothing to complain about?

Israel is committing war crimes and you worry about a few broken windows?

Dixon

I've just watched that "When Mars attacks".

What a parable of our present state of affairs. The Martians keep killing Humans and the president and media keep saying its because we've done something wrong, if we apologise they will be ourfriends...but of course they never are.

Near the end they are running amok in Las Vegas, smashing up Starbucks, etc whilst shouting "Don't run from us, we are your friends."

Hard to believe it was made over a decade ago. That Tim Burton is really prophetic!

Hayward Maberley

Daibhidh MacAdhaimh,
Be careful what you wish for!
Cromwell the Lord Protector had no liking for Celts viz. Drogheda and Wexford in Ireland, Dundee and the treatment of Highlanders in Scotland.
He was just as much a religious looney as any of the Islamist/NeoTheo Christian/Zionist extant today.

Bill M

When will England be finished? Why not just hurry up and impose Sharia now and just stop delaying the inevitable? Canada next, then the U.S. Actually, perhaps the U.S. before Canada.

Really. Why is your government letting these violent, sick people into your beautiful country? Why are the MP's allowing these violent, sick people to stay? Has the UK lost all self-respect? Have the UK lost all love for it's culture and people? Isn't what it's become over the past one thousand years worth protecting and cherishing?

It's getting to the point where the UK will be forced into a violent response if Islam is not to prevail.

Kick them out. What are they offering to you and your country? Where is their value to your nation? Where is there desire for assimilation? Where is their respect for your heritage and culture and government? What rigfht do they have to stay? Why are you letting your political representatives surrender to these goons who seek to destroy you?

Don't you believe what they say about what they want to do to you? They will do it. Haven't you had enough?

Trev

you better believe it Brian!!!

TomTom

The British Media does not report ongoing riots in Athens nor trouble in Denmark, Germany, Spain, Italy....it did not report the wonderful Czech-commissioned EU Sculpture with the image of Holland sinking beneath the waves with only minarets and mosque domes visible above sea level.

The British Media does not report civil disturbance unless authorised by the Home Office - it has a policy of not frightening the children by directing behaviour through propaganda - in direct contradiction of their shibboleth that violent TV images do not cause violent street behaviour

Hypocrisy is British

Archie

Completely shameful! I remember the Jewish people I grew up, went to school and worked with (admittedly not realising until years later that they WERE Jewish) in complete peace and amity. Yet the BBC continues to pump out drama with an anti-fascist theme. What are the chances of them doing the same with Islamofascists?

Walid Safi

After I read about George Galloway encouraged this Muslim gangs to behave like this, I think he should loose his Job, we are living a violence, confuse world and a politician should not talk like that, they should be more professional, it is also time the Jewish people in Britain like business man and woman, professionals etc, stand up for rights and say No!

we don't want this ignorant gangs, terrorists who don't have anything else to do smashing our shop windows, harassing us etc, enough is enough!

JohnW

Dave M,

As regards children being hurt, I can assure you that the terrorist philosophy of using them in this way is quite common in Arab countries - certainly the more radical ones. I lived in Baghdad for three years in the 80s and everyday saw children from Grade 3/4 and up walking to and from school with mock AK-47s for military practice. All maps of the Middle East were changed to show no Israeli borders. The same propaganda in schools is all over Syria and Lebanon and (I would strongly suspect) Jordan as well.

They certainly catch them young in Arab countries with the message of hate.

EDDIE

Pursuing the party line already followed by the BBC; Little Milliband has declared the end of the war on Terror. In other words he has left the world and moved into the fifth dimension where there is the possibility of his meeting and negotiating with those who aspire to paradise.
In accordance with BBC requirements the word “terrorist” has been banned from the English language. Other emotive words such as “insurgent” “militant” “fighter” that may be upsetting for delicate consciences may also be on the list. Maybe the BBC should consider an entirely new name for these monsters such as “quite nice men wearing beards”. Friendly, factual although without context, but context is certainly a word that the BBC know absolutely nothing about.

Tommy

meanwhile in France------

----PARIS (AFP)--Quote...French Muslim soldiers have refused to serve in Afghanistan, saying their faith forbids them from fighting fellow Muslims, a military spokesman confirmed to AFP....Unquote

Now surely it does not take a very high IQ to work out just who they would not have a problem fighting with...perhaps anyone that is nonmuslim ?

Leah Price

Good. I'm glad these large businesses are being targeted. Maybe they will start agitating for political parties to get rid of the Islamist thugs who are turning this country into a new Middle East!

Barry Larking

When I told one very young acquaintance about the smashed entrance doors to my local M & S she said without a pause "Kristalnacht." Neither she (nor I) are Jews.

This eruption of Islamist rage and racism comes aboout largely as a result of the collapse of the Utopian idealisation of multiculturalism and was to me always a possible outcome. It was always going to be like this.

There are formulas – children's television broadcasting or school's assemblies for example – which suspend disbelief by emphasising the simple and 'given'. Multiculturalism – the notion was at times stupifyingly unexamined – sought to extend this pacification of thought into everyday life grown up life and at every level.

It has failed. National identity is crucial. National interests are valid and real. And no, we do not all belong to one big happy assembly marching as one to Marshmellow World. Sadly or otherwise (I am myself relieved) I think this fact is dawning on the British Establishment, dawning even on the BBC.

C Powell

Mel: you have a column in the Daily Mail. Why not use that to list all these incidents and ask for other examples from your readers?

I live in a street which has a synagogue at one end and another very close by. (I'm not Jewish but am appalled at what is happening.) As I was parked near one of the synagogues last Saturday I went to one of the guards standing outside to say how distressed I was to hear of these attacks and that I wanted to express my solidarity with them. Perhaps if more of us did this it would do something to counter the effect these attacks must be having on the Jewish community here.

I would add that this is - or should be - independent of one's views on the Israeli/Palestinian dispute etc.,. Whatever one's views, decent people should abhor attacks on people purely on the basis of their religion/nationality etc and should say so, publicly.

Tony

Melanie...the title of this thread is brilliant!!
At the time of writing this I have a sinking feeling in my heart and a sort of fear creeping over me.
What on Earth is happening in this country and who are the "real powers that be" behind our mainline press? It is very distressing.
And, if any of these thugs are arrested, will they be deported? Not a chance I bet.
Come on Britain, where is our bull-dog spirit gone? We are a bunch of wimps now. If I was ten years younger I would emigrate to Israel and join their army. The Israelis are the last bastion of decency in the world in my opinion.

Tony

Two cartoons on this subject that completely outshine what passes for mainstream media in Britain (and, yes, the country is finished):

http://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/?id=396

I really like this second one, especially the ‘BBC’ placard:

http://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/?id=397

Adam B.

Brian Smith, your post is anti-Semitic, and I use the word cautiously. You are saying that every Jew in Britian needs to denounce Israel in order to be spared from the mob. Presumably if a Jew refuses to do this, he/she deserves what they get. Absolutely sickening and revolting! Your post is an example of the problem this post highlights.

Let me ask you this: how many civilians have British forces killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? As a consequence, do British people deserve to get beaten up abroad? I'd be interested to see your rationale.

Yaffle

I see this morning the BBC website has gone with "Muslims urge end to anti-Semitism".

So Muslims are really the good guys!

PaoloGingrij

Thank you Archie, the Islamofascist are asking a lot, I wonder when the lefty media is going to bring up a concern, I think when the BBC office or 10 Downing street smash up by Muslim gangs, that will be a story and it could happen, we never know

Adam B.

Hayward Maberley, I like the way you casually throw the Jews and Christians together with the Islamists: the difference being that the Islamists want to take over the world, and will stop at nothing in order to do so. The others do not.

William

Tesco with a smashed door on Uxbridge Road - 12 January 2009.

Harmania Shoemaker

Dixon, those guys in Paris riots where mostly North Africans, but the ones here are Bangladeshi, Somali, and Pakistanis, the difference is this guys they live very expensive housing Estates in central London, they have everything they need giving to them by the Labor government, what they do is go around in central London, protest, destroy cafes and shops, attack innocent people, hell No, I think they should be sent to the suburbs of Paris they will know have life it is

William

Adam B. Please retain a sense of humour - Michael was not downplaying the situation - just making a point about the lunacy and absurdity of these actions.

Louise

"If you will it, it is no dream".
But even the perspicacious Herzl, who seemed to sense the coming Shoah, could not have foreseen this, Europe fallen to the barbarians. I wonder what he would have made of the present decidedly ironic situation.
More pertinently, why is none of this violence and threatened violence against the Anglo-Jewish community reported in the general press? Is it because the press (even the Tory press) doesn't want to show the consequences of unrestricted Muslim immigration and has entered into some sort of consensual media-wide agreement to remain shtum? Is it because our political masters don't want to portray race relations in a bad light and have enlisted the connivance of the press? Or has the Anglo-Jewish leadership (the Board of Deputies and the Zionist Federation) requested non-publicity in case reports of trouble encourage more?
I think we should be told.

Rachel Miller

To Brian Smith:

What war crimes? Please be specific.

If you mean the incidental and tragic death of civilians in Gaza, you might want to think again. Hamas have deliberately set up their operations in the midst of the civilian population of Gaza, and are deliberately using these people as human shields (see /uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs>).

This is in clear contravention of the Geneva Conventions, and if Hamas were a signatory to the Conventions then Hamas - not Israel - would be considered guilty of war crimes for causing civilian deaths. The issue is more complicated since Hamas is not a conventional military force, but in any case the moral responsibility for civilian deaths rests primarily with Hamas.

I also have to ask this question: why do you think it appropriate for these thugs to target the property of British or American Jews in response to *Israeli* actions? Do you not see any difference between the two?

Tancred

I've made a few posts to this blog about the no-go nature and islamic gang culture terrorising much of the East End on a few occasions.

Women assaulted, men stabbed, churches burnt.

They have not been published - presumably because the victims are/were indiginous Britons.

Don't expect any sympathy now that Jews are in their sights Melanie.

phil

So much for the end of the war on terror mr milliband .should galloway not be arrested now?

Ed

T E Marongoni - your comment "these immigrants" is utterly wrong, distasteful and the exact thing many compain.
These people were in all likihood born in the UK.
I have said before this is no Islam it is thugs who tie themselves to a cause as an excuse to create trouble.
The dark forcasts of this being ths start of worse to come, the tip of the iceberg etc are wrong and unhelpful.
If people really dont like the country they live in they have a choice - fight to make it better!

patricia

Phil - I would love to see you in debate with Galloway.

Why not ring him on his talksport chat show? Put some of your points to him.

Have a little chat with him.

Go on. Don't be scared. I'm sure he'll be gentle with you and you won't come away looking like a total ****.

Dave M

"What are they offering to you and your country? Where is their value to your nation? Where is there desire for assimilation?"

The former generation of immigrants from India and Pakistan were always known for being hard-working and polite. However, for some years now they've been letting anyone in. What most people are unaware of is the U.S. recently gave the U.K. Government an ultimatum. This ultimatum was either to accept the U.S. needed to racially profile U.K. passport holders who wish to visit the U.S. or just change the entire system to cover all Britons. Guess what the reponse was? The Government was horrified at any idea of discrimination. It concluded it would be racism to even consider one specific racial group could have a connection with suicide bombings. Therefore, the Government insisted if new visa regulations were to be directed towards certain British passport holders, all Britons should be treated equally. So, we no longer have the option of just going to the U.S. with an automatic visa. This Government is being as stupid as ever since there is a case for racial profiling. As Richard LittleJohn once pointed out it's not really racist to conclude English football hooligans abroad should be observed by foreign police during matches abroad, in case of trouble. If there's a genuine link between terrorism and the Middle East then Middle Eastern immigrants alone should be subjected to greater visa scrutiny. It's common sense.

Tony

Tony..Jan 20th 10:20am...can't you see there is a Tony directly above your comment, the one posted at 10.08am?? Why do you persist in using my name, Tony? Please change to Tony 1 or something. Can the moderator please e-mail Tony 10.20 am and advise him of this??
Failing this I will become 'Original Tony' on future threads. Steel and clay don't mix.

H Ansawi

Ed, you are a dreamer, "if people don't like the country they are living, they should fight back to make it better", I don't think so, I am Muslim and I don't think the Muslim people who come to the west care about respecting the western value, they think the westerns are dirty pigs and they don't have right to be respected, but their are some good Muslims who get on with life and respect the country they are living, lately there are not many open minded people like me around, a lot of young extremist the only thing they want is to fight, and of course it is something to do with our culture

Dixon

Hysteria
January 15th, 2009 10:10pm
and as my friends in Houston say "time to buy food and ammo...."

Unfortunately I don't think the BB's we are allowed are going to provide much "protection."

Ronnie

The One and Only Rolly Polly Tony.

Adam B.

patricia, about your friend galloway:

He publicly applauded Saddam Hussein, in that sickening "I salute your indefatigability" speech. You scream about Israel and so-called "war crimes", but love a man who defends Saddam's record of State torture (do you really want to know what saddam's henchmen did to innocent people in Iraq? I could detail it here, but the cruelty and sadism would make you die of grief - let's just say children in front of parents involving wild animals). Saddam also launched a war which killed 1 MILLION people, (no outcry for the lefties, no marches,)killed 300,000 of his own people (no lefty demonstrators), and was the first to use chemical weapons since Mussolini in Abyssinia in the 1930's (guess what/ No demonstrations by the lefties). You applaud this man. Says a lot about you, and your world perspective. In sahort, patricia, you are motivated by sheer hatred, and it is utterly transparent.

logdon

Am I alone in observing this but did last night's Any Questions from Leeds display the emergence of a sea change in attitude from the usual baying anti Israel hate fests? The audience, rather than the same old, same old seemed to grasp, at last, what is going on. Of course the odious Jenny Tonge* tried her level best to command the moral high ground with her well honed but ultimately repetetively hollow diatribes, as she always does, but for me the star of the show was, without any doubt Jewish Chronicle editor, Stephen Pollard. No slick, oily and ultimately dissembling politico, he seemed to capture the audiences attention with his slightly nerdy wit and informed honesty. The politicians of all hues ultimately always dissappoint, churning out the cliches of ceasefire without having the slightest clue as to what they were talking about but, you know, I detected from the great and lively audience that they've been rumbled. Sitting on a very high fence looking this way and that without any valid examination of the huge disparity of concern for human rights between one side or the other, they betray the very job description which persuaded citizens to vote for them in the first place. TS Eliot's Hollow Men to a man (and woman in Tonge's case) they chunter on as if this was almost abstract. Either that or the stupid David and Goliath analogy. It isn't, as the violence and destruction perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Palestine, but really Islam, across Europe and the US is demonstrating. What was it about giving them enough rope? But returning to my original optimism, the tender green shoots of progress, to paraphrase the hapless Ms Vadera? In this context it could be happening.

* The Tonge agenda of balance and deliberation courtesy of Google....

Lib Dem MP: Why I would consider being a suicide bomber | Politics ...
23 Jan 2004 ... Jenny Tonge was summoned to explain her comments to the Liberal Democrat chief whip after telling a Westminster rally that the daily ...
www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/jan/23/israel.liberaldemocrats - 78k - Cached - Similar pages

David

Fun times ahead.We in England have suffered 12 long year's of this loathsome Islamic Labour party, but it's time is coming to a end!! Labour is not just disliked by the white working class it's HATED!! it will be intresting viewing come election night i will be opening a few cans

phil

Logdon ,maybe the great British public is starting to see who has caused them harm here in the UK ,certainly not the Jewish population -we have no riots .we do not do smashing of buildings ,we do not atack people .we support all things British ,we have not got no go areas and we dont shout lets kill Christians and Hindus -nor do normal Muslims but sadly amongst them they have some very foul extremists and they do harm to us all .

phil

Brian smith your words are so typical of the oafish comments of the uneducated racists among us -are you one?-do you know that judgement is passed after there has been an examination of facts ,which are then evaluated ........
If you had any concept of what happens with these "victims "you would know that they are proved time and time again to have lied and cheated ,but it has taken too long ,meanwhile they win a great victory over truth and people like you jump on the bandwagon of hysteria .you are the only one who knows why!!We can only guess

phil

Patricia I would as much speak to your friend the milk licker as lie down with you -You should live in a commune with your friends ,ruth ,wrighty and SI n ,together with the bard of BEIRUT..you know the one from the tv show YOU HAVE BEEN FISKED who I hope is safe and well :)There you can do your hating as much as you like ,just stay away from humans .You will have noticed that I try to write constructively and politely ,but I have to admit I enjoy exposing you for what you are, and no doubt to the amusement of all that realise what an idiot we have amongst us . If the innocents amongst the Palestinian,s needed a hero to speak up for them what terrible luck that they have been inflicted with you and the unspeakable galloway .

Who was it that said "If You Lay Down with Dogs-They'll Eat You Alive -or is it , you will become like one "

phil

H Ansawi our best hope is that the culture of people like you will grow and give decent Muslims a chance to live the life they came here for.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

We should not call this country Great Britain, but we should call it
"Islamic Republic of Britain"

H Ansawi

I hope so phil, but as long as the labour government is around that would not happen because the labour government and the left wing British public let as down, they prefer the extremist better then us

Herbert Thornton

The No Go areas are turning into Britain's own versions of the Gaza Strip; Islamic thugs openly shout Death to Israel on Britain's streets; Business premises that have the slightest connection to anyone Jewish are vandalised; and the police take little action against them and are far more likely to direct ordinary people not to display harmless artifacts - even crucifixes and Stars of David - in shop windows on the specious grounds that they may "cause offence" to Muslims.

Mainstream politicians, whether Labour, Liberal or Conservative, adamantly refuse to acknowledge that anything is wrong and have no intention whatsoever of doing anything to remedy the situation. Instead they go on extolling the supposed virtues of multiculturalism and go on allowing, even encouraging, still more immigration.

Even more irrationally, they - and alas, most of the country's media - direct most of their efforts at painting a completely false picture of the only party that has the policies necessary to rescue Britain - including those of it's own people whose religion happens to be Jewish - from the intentions of extremist Islam.

This irrationality runs so deep that any serious discussion of the merits of that party's policies - or even a favourable reference to it by it's initials (BNP) - will almost automatically fail to be published.

Is it any wonder that people are becoming more and more depressed and desperate?

Fred blogs

Should the BBC be renamed as the Broadcasting Bias Corporation?

ken

So using brian smiths logic since I am a strong supporter of woman's rights every time I read a story about an honor killing I would be justified in vandalizing a mosque.

Nancy Baumgartner, USA

Thanks to Hollywood, bureaucrats, and the liberal media here in the states- the same groups who have worked overtime to destroy other formerly decent facets of American culture- radical Islam will be able to flourish under the banner of "Victimhood". Mired in an unwillingness to deal with unpleasant truth, the west is in a process of committing suicide while smiling and "dancing with the stars".

Brian Moshe

Adam B. You wrote:
January 16th, 2009 3:26pm
"...[Saddam Hussein]was the first to use chemical weapons since Mussolini in Abyssinia in the 1930's (guess what/ No demonstrations by the lefties)"

While I agree with everything that you said Adam B., might I just come in here to say that, actually, another Arab dictator used chemical weapons in the years between Mussolini and Saddam Hussein.

This was President Nasser of Egypt in 1966/67 and his victims were the virtually defenceless tribes in Yemen loyal to the royal ruler (I don't think he was actually called a king).

These were Nasser's fellow Muslims and simply supported one ruler against another would-be whom Nasser favoured.

There may have been left-wing demonstrations in the 1930s against Mussolini's crimes in Abyssinia but memory tells me that the Left in England simply refused to criticise Nasser even though there was plenty of evidence of his air force using these weapons.

From the first years of Nasser's rule from 1952 he welcomed former nazi war criminals into Egypt, while expelling most of Egypt's long-established Jewish community.

Jews who remained were subjected to pogroms, Jewish students were expelled from the universities, any Jew caught sending money out of Egypt became a major criminal.

At the same time Nasser imported former nazi rocket scientists to build rockets and develop gas/germ/chemical weaponery for use against Israel - but as it turned out used on fellow Arabs.

I can remember when British communist Jews used to speak of Nasser as a 'progressive dictator of the left' and other nonsense, while condemning Israel as a US 'puppet'. I remember seeing a Jew stand on the plinth of Nelson's Column in 1968 or 1969 and tell a left-wing pro-'Palestine' rally that 'the heroic Arab peoples will go from victory to victory' (this was not long after Israel had gained its stunning victory in the 1967 war).

If the self-hating cretin is still alive I wonder if he is hailing as 'heroic' the attacks on a Tesco driver and on Starbucks?

Dave M

Barry Larking, you stated:

"It (multiculturalism) has failed. National identity is crucial. National interests are valid and real. And no, we do not all belong to one big happy assembly marching as one to Marshmellow World."

Multiculturalism was championed by the Roman emperor Claudius. As you know, the Romans had the same debate as we do today over immigration. Claudius believed the Gauls, Germanic peoples, Huns and other races who flocked to Rome would all strengthen the Empire. Just as Europeans believe the same today. Many highly educated rivals, however, such as Seneca believed Claudius was wrong to encourage such diversity. Interestingly enough, to my mind, a couple of centuries later on it finally became clear multiculturalism had killed off any sense of national self interest. The Roman Empire fell in the end partly because nobody had any interest in defending it. Few could relate to the existing order. In fact, Romans by that time were a minority in the army and civil service and the nationalised Roman citizens who remained finally fragmented. It's odd how politicians never seem to learn from history but go on to repeat the same mistakes as their ancient forefathers. Most Brits and Europeans still believe the Islamic World and the West will simply blend together and continue to live under a democracy. This is in spite of the fact many British Muslims today would like to see Sharia Law established while many European Muslims actively support censorship towards criticism of their religion. This is why there was such a bruhaha over Denmark's publication of cartoons. One individual who did a really good job, I think, representing politicians as idealistic idiots was Hans Christian Anderson. Political correctness today is very much akin to the situation regarding the invisible suit. Nobody dares to look like a fool and ask how a school can be "British" if 100 or so languages are being spoken. Neither did anyone dare to say the King was in the altogether, for that matter. It's much more socially acceptable to laud the praises of diversity and unlimited immigration, claiming we all get stronger via the said diversity. Of course, those "Britons" who decide to take the odd vacation fighting Americans in Afghanistan (while ostensibly doing a bit of sight-seeing) are all helping pay our old age pensions.

The Doctor

I remember we all thought it was funny when the jihadists burnt Salman Rushdie's book and sentenced him to death. That was only 20 years ago! I can see a civil war coming.

Adam B.

Phil @ 4.49pm, hilarious! Can't get the image of that commune out of my head...a truly nightmarish scene!

Adam B.

I see Brian smith scarpered, as the haters always do when challenged.

hadrian

Calling Cromwell, that great parliamentarian and champion of the common man in the commonwealth a 'religious looney' and equating him with Islamic fanatics is the very height of historical ignorance. I speak as a Scot and bear him no ill-will for quashing my fellow countrymen when they idiotically and with utter inconsistency rose up to support the benighted Stuart monarchy. Cromwell's Britain was a haven of freedom in his day , compared with the tyrant ridden continent and his actions in Ireland were necessitated by the simple need to survive in the face of implacable enemies.

Penny

Brian - on another page of Melanie's blog I mentioned that my husband's family were amongst those expelled from Nasser's Egypt in the '50's.

They were given 48hrs to leave and were allowed to take a suitcase or two out of the country. Their homes, businesses, bank accounts - all ertr taken from them with no reparations made. Their assets were literally stolen by Nasser. In fact, they were even stripped of their jewellery at the port from which they sailed as refugees.

Many, many families suffered the same fate but have made lives for themselves in other lands. None of them appear to have had the mindset to strap a bomb to themselves or otherwise engage in militant warfare to regain all that they lost.

Somehow, these Jews (and others like them) are never mentioned when the subject of the Israel/Palestine matter is raised. It's all extremely one-sided.

Dixon

Adam B. I wouldn't bother arguing rationally as you do with a Galloway lover like Patricia. Anyone who approves of Galloway is by definition not of this planet. How can they watch his ranting, tooth-gnashing and streams of baroque abusivenisess and not realise that anyone who doesn't already see the world through his epiprismatic periscope is going to be alienated and disgusted at the spectacle.

In other words, I have come to realise that one need never bother to undermine what Galloway says because he does that for himself in the way that he "says" it!

Robert Edwardes

Twenty-four hour satellite TV has given scant coverage to the London violence yet the the crash-landing of the passenger jet in NY is on screen whenever you switch on.

Remarkable!

seb

Youths, almost entirely of Pakistani background, attacking supposedly 'Zionist' coffee shops miles away from Palestine, Gaza and Israel in the fashion of nazis on Kristalnacht. Such selfless acts of bravery against plate glass windows will undoubtedly help feed and clothe thousands on the Gaza Strip. A column in The Grauniad about anti-semitism attracted a lot of comment from outraged and very self-righteous people who said there wasn't any such thing in the West or in the UK. It will be interesting to see what their reaction is if this gets worse. Of course, the 'liberal', meaning the entirely pre-programmed and illiberal, press has hardly stirred itself to report on things like the Starbucks attacks. What a surprise!

don'tthinktwiceorevenatall

A dog has fowled my footpath and this did not make it on the front page either. I can't believe the guardian, BBC and Independent can get away with this blatant disregard for truth. War on terror, War on climate, war on drugs, war on dog fowling, war on working mums who enjoy a tipple at the weekend, war on working class, war on middle class. These are real issues, thank God for people like you.

phil

Adam B.I am a disciple of mel brooks and jackie mason :)they have stooges in the audience -mine include patricia and ruth ,and I DO NOT HAVE TO PAY !!!

phil

Adam B the brian smiths of this world are to shallow to debate only to stick "knives" in and run -they are bee stings ,who cares what they think i,f infact they do think .?

jose garcia

patricia, about your friend galloway:

He publicly applauded Saddam Hussein, in that sickening "I salute your indefatigability" speech. You scream about Israel and so-called "war crimes", but love a man who defends Saddam's record of State torture (do you really want to know what saddam's henchmen did to innocent people in Iraq? I could detail it here, but the cruelty and sadism would make you die of grief - let's just say children in front of parents involving wild animals). Saddam also launched a war which killed 1 MILLION people, (no outcry for the lefties, no marches,)killed 300,000 of his own people (no lefty demonstrators), and was the first to use chemical weapons since Mussolini in Abyssinia in the 1930's (guess what/ No demonstrations by the lefties). You applaud this man. Says a lot about you, and your world perspective. In sahort, patricia, you are motivated by sheer hatred, and it is utterly transparent.
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I have never heard patricia talk about the terrorists , the hamas charter ,the use of human shields, suicide bombers ,
the killings in sudan ,nigeria, congo (MILLIONS OF PEOPLE)
and lots of other war torn countries...
or anything of any importance except to bash the jews for refusing to die.

because this is what this is about isnt it Patricia.

they just dont die , jihad or not.

and if the gazans dont like it there there is a 99.4% of the middle east for them to go to their arab "brothers".

the other 0.6% is israel
and they will keep refusing to die.

beloved

Brian Moshe thank you for your testimony. I'm sorry for what you are going through. You probably know there are resources in the USA to help you get to Israel should you decide to move there. Otherwise, you are welcome to live in the US. I'm glad to have you and your family permanently. Best wishes.

MD

Dave M - good reminder of rthe end of the Roman Empire, although I don't know whether you may not be a little hard on Claudius, who did stop proselytising by all religions. Hitler's different and well-known antipathy to multiculturalism now appears to have few admirers outside Russia and some Islamic countries, although the paradox is that his methods find favour among multiculturalists elewhere. The USA gets the balance right, celebrating diversity within national values. Israel, on a lower budget, does much the same. Even so, the press often uses the expression "the Jewish state" when the intention is to convey difference and disapprobation - one of multiculuralism's borrowed techniques.

andy c

You all detest Galloway here because he speaks out so harshly against Israel.

Why not argue with him on those points?

Instead of taking the argument go Sadam?

Because if you want to take it to Sadam, I think you'll find:

- The US Senate and Spectator's first cousin - the Telegraph - are both still licking their wounds after trying to tarnish Galloway

- He spoke about the thousands of children who died needlessly in Iraq, thanks to the sanctions

- If you have a problem with him breaking the embargo and talking to Sadam, I take it you have no problem with Rumsfeld selling him arms.

logdon

So it comes to pass, here in print for the very first time but suspected all along by right thinking people. This IS institutionalised racism so will we have a second McPherson? No, no. A thousand times no. Because we all know how skewed that was, resembling as it did an undisguised anti white hate fest. An orgy of platitude and patronisation and the seed which broke the Met's back.

If we thought that McPherson had descended into something resembling a third world tin pot dictatorship, rabble rousing event imagine the scenes as hordes of Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and all the other ingrates who sought succor now turning against the very state which provided it?

It would resemble nothing less than a British Durban 1 and Durban 2 rolled into one and we all know from those grotesque parodies which way the wind would blow.

Fortunately help is at hand in the form of the British population who are becoming heartily sick of these primitives who are attempting to impose seventh century law on all and in the process ripping our cultures apart. Not forgetting our cities and populace also. Lets face it they've killed 52 already in London. They've attempted to slaughter hundreds of clubbers at Tiger Tiger, and then hundreds of plane passengers in Glasgow. They've devised liquid explosive plots, thankfully thwarted but what about the next one, or the one after that? Our patience is becoming stretched and the Government's whimper is not translating to outraged citizens who expected a roar.

These latest demo's do not in any shape or form resemble the massive anti war protests where little or no damage was caused. I wonder why? Could it be that the latter were composed of a majority of indigenous, decent law abiding citizens, outraged that our government had lied and deceived in order to get it's war whereby this new phenomena is an unholy alliance rabble of Islamists and hard left trouble makers and certainly not 'mainstream'? The latter righteously angered by blatant lies, the former, unhappy with the status quo and using any excuse to assert it's will on a feeble British state?

There's a chart out there in cyberspace which shows by population ratio percentages when Muslims feel empowered enough to cause mayhem and present serious challenge to a sovereign state. Two percent hovers around disgruntlement. Any more and they will use any or all of our civil liberty, freedom of speech and human rights legislation against us. After the 20/80 point has passed we are in deep ordure unless the rules are changed to support and defend the indigenous nominally white working and middle class population.

We are in for more of this as any excuse is deemed sufficient for Muslims to riot. In one way this could be simplistically construed as 'bad', but this showing of hatred towards the place which offers all that the native population receives in te rms of income, benefits and healthcare is not lost on our masses. Hello? Do these people have a voice, also?

They know that they are being squeezed and marginalised and they don't like it. An object lesson in how to stoke up and provoke racism? Classic!

This is the start and we now see the way the land lies as far as Government policy is concerned. On no account upset the muslims whilst sacrificing the Jews on the altar of multiculturalism. There's no other way of putting it.

What a travesty?

"Europe’s Estrangement from Israel

By distancing itself from the Jewish state, Europe seeks to deflect the anger of its Muslim population.

January 17, 2009 - by Frank Furedi

I am standing in a queue waiting to buy a train ticket from London to Canterbury. A well-dressed lady standing behind me informs her friend that she “can’t wait till Israel disappears off the face of the earth.” What struck me was not her intense hostility to Israel but the mild-mannered, matter-of-fact tone with which she announced her wish for the annihilation of a nation. It seems that it is okay to condemn and demonize Israel. All of a sudden Israel has become an all-purpose target for a variety of disparate and confused causes. When I ask a group of Pakistani waiters sitting around a table in their restaurant why they “hate” Israel, they casually tell me that it is because Jews are their “religion’s enemy.” Those who are highly educated have their own pet prejudice. One of my young colleagues who teaches media studies in a London-based university was taken aback during a seminar discussion when some of her students insisted that since all the banks are owned by Jews, Israel was responsible for the current20global financial crisis.
Increasingly expressions of aversion towards Israel have assumed the status of a taken-for-granted sentiment in many sections of polite European society. Such attitudes are underwritten by powerful cultural forces that communicate the idea that Israel is a malevolent society sui generis. It alone faces regular demands for academic and commercial boycotts. In the media and popular culture it is often portrayed as an intensely racist and barbaric society. Once upon a time its opponents depicted Israel as a guard dog of the West; these days they are more likely to castigate it as the biggest threat to world peace and stability. For a variety of reasons, Israel has come to bear the cross of all of the West’s sins. In Europe in particular, there is a powerful sense of weariness towards Israel. “If only it would go away, then we would have a chance for peace in the Middle East” is the fantasy view of some European officials and writers. Europe’s population agrees. Islamic terrorism is often portrayed as the inevitable consequence of Israel’s policies.
In reality, many Western European officials are worried not just about peace in the Middle East, but also about managing the radicalization of their own Muslim population. Distancing Europe from Israel is seen as necessary for appeasing the anger of Europe’s Mus lim population. From this perspective, the problem is not simply Israel but also Europe’s Jewish population. So in order to accommodate what are taken to be Muslim sensibilities, Jewish interests often become a negotiable commodity. For example, in England some teachers are reluctant to discuss the experience of the Holocaust in the classroom in case it alienates children from a Muslim background. An illustration of a similar dynamic at work is shown by the example of Denmark.
It is worth noting that historically Denmark is one of the most enlightened societies in Europe. During the Second World War it stood out as the one country where Nazis could find virtually no one who would collaborate with their anti-Jewish policies. That is why it is so sad to find out that a number of Danish school administrators have recently recommended that Jewish children should not enroll in their schools. It all began last week when Olav Nielsen, headmaster of Humlehave School in Odense, publicly stated that he will “refuse to accept the wishes of Jewish parents” to place their children at his school because it would create tension with the Muslim children. Other headmasters echoed this sentiment, claiming that they were putting children’s safety first. Apparently they are worried that the enrollment of Jewish pupils would upset those of Arab descent and that such tensions could provoke violence. W hatever their intention, these pedagogues were signaling the idea that in the interest of “health and safety” the ghettoization of Jewish children was a sensible idea.
Thankfully many Danes were horrified by this episode, as are many Italians who were shocked when they discovered that a group of trade unionists demanded the “boycott of all Jewish shops in central Rome linked to the Israelite community” on the grounds that these businesses “are tainted by blood.” And many decent people have felt more than a tinge of unease when confronted with the disturbing tendency for anti-Israeli protests to mutate into anti-Semitic ones. But European societies appear disoriented by events in the Middle East and unable to deal with their own problems, so they look for demons elsewhere."

anglicus

No surprise there, then!

phil

If any of you are in any doubt what this war is about I ask you ,nay beg you to type into your browser ---"children of hamas"--and click on the utube video -the song starts twinkle twinkle little star -I have tried to post the actual http stuff but it is being blocked by some hackers -if you do not become truly shocked you may feel you do not belong here ,a place where we try to come to terms with the horror of war.

phil

andy c -you go and look at the video I have told about and then come back and tell us about children -I dare you

John O'Connor

Walking through White City last night I saw that the Starbucks next to the new BBC building was shut with windows partly boarded up. Might those responsible be from the estate's large Muslim community - or angry leftists in the BBC itself?

phil

logdon that was a wonderfully written piece ,and far too true for some .

david lynn

Just imagine what would happen to Jewish demonstrators in favor of Israel held in an Arab state. Oh, there are no Jews in Arab states? I wonder why. As far as London and Paris demonstrators are concerned only one thing comes to my mind - The dogs bark but the caravan moves on.

Grumpy the Victor

Oh Jesus - now see that the dreaded Patricia has spawned an accolyte in the form of Andy C....and that they are both card carrying members of the deranged/opportunist/sicko george galloway club aka the saddamslushfund.
the guy (galloway) has a mouth on him for sure but so too does a barracuda.
sort of like those snake oil salesman of old - all sleight of hand and crawling around the floor like the old moggie he is.neutered and useless.

Patricia/Andy C - Know one thing.
Israel will come out of this with a greatly cowed hamas, who will have to explain to the populace of gaza why this was all worth while and why islamofacism as a concept is so attractive, and why no longer having a home/street/electricity whatever is just so pleasing to the master mullah maniacs in iran.

this is what you anarchists are all about 'innit'

Felicitas

logdon, some of the European Jewish do not respect Israel, some of them think they are white and they can get away things, because they are not from middle East, it seems they forget what happened in Europe ww1 and ww2 and that was not long ago

Annette

With reference to last Thursday's Question Time on the BBC, did anyone else notice that when a sensible and well-informed woman in the audience made the point that Hamas is an Islamic jihadist organisation which seeks the destruction of the Jews, David Dimbleby who was chairing the debate became apoplectic. He not only forcibly told the woman to be quiet but also ordered that the microphone be removed from her - something I have never before known him to do. I sensed real panic and rage in his response inspired, I guess, by Beeb apparatchiks bawling through his earpiece, "Get her OFF!" It's great to see rational, democratic debate in action - just don't expect it from the BBC!

Edward

Sadly, for the Islamists, for the genetic and cultural anti-Semites of Europe, the Israelis are NOT the unarmed Jews of WW2 Europe.

As far as the reference to Molotov, it reminds me of the Molotv/Ribbentrop Pact aka Stalin/shitler, the national Socialist/Soviet Socialist non-aggression pact of 1939.

Adam B.

andy c, Galloway's support was for saddam himself, not the children of iraq or any other such smokescreen. The man grovelled in front of this mass murderer and tyrant. And when pointed out to you, how do you respond? you attack Israel again. It's utterly pathetic.

Let me ask you directly, do you condemn the Hamas charter?

Slater

Dixon reveals: 'I've just watched "When Mars attacks"'.

He terms it 'a parable' and considers it to be 'prophetic'.

How intellectual and meaningful and how lucky we all are to receive his contributions. You don't by any chance read ... er ... the Sun do you Dixon?

Louise

Annette, I didn't see that, but it doesn't surprise me, given the BBC's usual suppression of Hamas's ultimate stated intent.
I urge you to make a formal complaint to the BBC - look at their website, scroll down to the bottom, "Contact Us", go to Complaints and blast away.

In the current Jewish Chronicle, a scholarly writer has a feature article deploring The Guardian's tendency to give publicity to "Jews who are proud to be ashamed at be Jews" such as the 78 signatories "of Jewish origin" who had an open letter in The Guardian last week denouncing - perhaps a better word is disowning - Israel in strident terms.
Jeremy Bowen's BBC, in its inexorable War on Israel and its defenders, seems to have decided to follow suit (probably inspired by that article) - on its News front page earlier today its Religion Correspondent had a piece drawing attention to those 78 persons, to eight anti-Israel Jewish protesters in Canada, and (in particular) to the bitter denunciations of Israel by that veteran Israel-basher Gerald Kauffman MP (mugshot and all).
Not a word on the News website about last night's peaceful Jewish demo outside the Iranian Embassy, condemning Iran's hand in the ghastly Gaza business by arming and egging on Hamas. Clearly, the Beeb has decided to exaggerate the extent of Jewish dissent in order to undermine Israel and embarrass the community's mainstream spokesmen.
But what of those mainstream spokesmen? Do they challenge BBC bias or do they sit on their hands in abject defeat?

Anne

I read in US media last week that Starbucks and McDonalds were donating their profits to Israel. That's enough to make any decent-thinking person mad as hell! Starbucks coffee is ghastly anyway - poor quality beans over-roasted.

hadrian

The self-loathing of our culture and its politics of guilt and pity ( misplaced) arise from our secularist, complacent, hitherto secure afflunce. We drug ourselves in entertainment, can't see beyond our next exotic holiday and arrogantly presume the world owes this nation a high standard of living. This has bred an ingrained disinclination to face unpleasant realities and to think utterly shallowly as a result. So- we are presented with distressing footage of the victims of war and are told it's all hard old usurping Israel's fault and too many of us swallow the line and too many get angry and indignant against such agents of injustice and that makes us feel so good and self righteous. Next stage is to identify the Jews as a whole as he perpetrators and barbarians and before you know it we're baying for the Jews to be taught a lesson- everyone knows, anyway, how those nasty people have a worldwide monopoly on finance as well they don't really deserve- so let's chuck in a bucketload of envy to boot.
No wonder our nation in its seemingly invincible ignorance is lurching into a visceral and virulent anti-Semitism.
As Mel's book, Londonistan, so alarmingly but with well documented evidence indicates we are possibly entering the death throes of our Christian liberal civilization, through a combination of self hate and pig ignorance of what our liberties are based upon.
The other evening I could scarcely credit the sheer hostility o the part of Jon Snow towards an Israeli official on Channel Four News. As for their trotting out George Galloway of all people to comment on Bush's valedictory press conference one can only conclude they're not even interested in hiding their bias.

jose garcia

To slater

Dixon reveals: 'I've just watched "When Mars attacks"'.

He terms it 'a parable' and considers it to be 'prophetic'.

How intellectual and meaningful and how lucky we all are to receive his contributions. You don't by any chance read ... er ... the Sun do you Dixon?
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yes we do, why?

dont you like women?

Eddie

Anne, if it isn't asking too much or risk a fatwa on you, please provide a link to support your claim "that Starbucks and McDonalds were donating their profits to Israel".

Eda Spinka

Dear Melanie,
1. Please read this week's article in Hamodia (I read yours - v.g.)on page B9 The Great Disengagement Debate, which includes an interview with Arik Sharon's son, Gilad - quite an eye-opener.

2. Much has been made of the fact that the people of Gaza democratically chose Hamas as their leaders. What is not emphasised enough is the fact that prior to the elections Hamas made sure to promise social welfare and educational reforms, as well as uprooting the corruption endemic to the Fatah regime (which Arafat so boldly epitomised), priming
their way for a sure victory.
Kindly stress this point in your articles, etc.
Regards and good luck
Eda

Dixon

Slater
January 17th, 2009 8:36pm
Dixon reveals: 'I've just watched "When Mars attacks"'.
He terms it 'a parable' and considers it to be 'prophetic'.
How intellectual and meaningful and how lucky we all are to receive his contributions. You don't by any chance read ... er ... the Sun do you Dixon?"

Do you actually understand what the word "parable" means? Or the words "satire", "satirical", or "satirist", as in the instances of Voltaire or Swift?

Or would such scribblers be too frivolous for you to consider ... akin to reading The Sun perhaps?

How very peurile your "intellectual" pretensions must look to others here, and you are not even sufficiently aware to be able to understand that, "Slater".

Run along now!

Dixon

Oh, before you go, "Slater" ( he thinks its a clever pun ) if you must know what I am reading, since Thursday it's been "A Critique of Pure Vision" by Churchland, Ramachandran and Sejnowski in ""Large Scale Neuronal Theories of The Brain" edited by Christof Koch and Joel L. Davis, MIT Press, ISBN 0-262-11183-7

david

should we really be surprised by any of this sickening anti-jewish hysteria when you have elected members of branches of uk govt - in this case the welsh assembly - allowing links on their blogs in which lunatics claim mossad were responsible for the attacks on the twin towers!

Follow the url below - the link can be found at the bottom of the discussion (number 14)

http://www.bethanjenkinsblog.org.uk/debate-on-gaza-at-the-assembly

jose garcia

I read in US media last week that Starbucks and McDonalds were donating their profits to Israel. That's enough to make any decent-thinking person mad as hell! Starbucks coffee is ghastly anyway - poor quality beans over-roasted.
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would you feel better if the money went to fund hizbollah's or hamas human shields program, or maybe iran nuclear program?

heh!!

steve

Logdon: Who do you see as being the "indigenous" population of the UK?

Margaret Muller-Johansson

Anne, what do you know about the quality of Coffee beans and the quality of Coco beans this kind of thing is only known by the people who come from where these beans are cultivated, you know coffee and coco is not from Somerset Britain, and you know many British people like Starbucks otherwise it would not be every street corner, and sometimes you have six in a road opposite each other, get use to it the coffee, if not you could always have tea like English breakfast

Dixon

Margaret Muller-Johansson, dont bother yourself with trying to talk sense to someone like Anne, irrespective of her relative capacity to pass opinion on coffeee, people like Anne generally do not know their arse from their proverbial elbow.

By Annes criterion, any business that donates money to the Salvation Army is a legitimate target for Islamist claques.

Dixon

steve
January 18th, 2009 11:00am
Logdon: Who do you see as being the "indigenous" population of the UK?"

We know what Steve's trying to get you to seem to say, Logdon, so don't bite the bait.

Legitimate "indigenous people" to anyone with half an education is sufficient to mean people who were born to people already living in the given locale. I.e, the aboriginals. The term is quite rightly applicable to the indigenous folk of Australia, but is also valid for a sub-section only of British citizens. More narrowly, in terms of being legitimately, indigenously English, George Galloway is most certainly NOT an indiginous person. He comes from Scotland. It's another country.More broadly, Michael Portillo is not an indigenously British person.

It has nothing to do with race. But so what if it did? I don't see many Jews being accorded the status of "legitimate indigent" of the West Bank by irritating kiddies like Steve! No matter how long they've lived there. His conception of "race" no doubt all runs one way.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

Dixon, I like to go to the library and see if I can borrow what you are reading

beloved

Anne writes: "I read in US media last week that Starbucks and McDonalds were donating their profits to Israel. That's enough to make any decent-thinking person mad as hell! Starbucks coffee is ghastly anyway - poor quality beans over-roasted."
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beloved responds: Why should we be mad at a free company donating THEIR money to charity? Would you prefer government officials stealing your hard-earned income through over-taxation for redistribution (after they take some of it) to groups that empower government control over non-criminal citizens?

BTW, You can now officially name Starbucks as part of "Big Coffee." (--Like Big Oil, Big Auto, Big Sock, Big Deodorant, Big Lamp...)
Starbucks has done something you haven't done. They are selling coffee to the masses instead of only upper income earners, which qualifies a company as "Big," as well as hated by promoters of Big Government.

Don't you just hate the masses and the companies that supply their needs and wants? Everybody knows Big Government is better at supply and demand. This maddening charity from McDonalds and Starbucks is symptomatic of freedom that must be stamped out!

phil

We used to have a lady here called ANN who was rather rude and aggressive but that lady wrote the truth,she seems to have been replaced by the noxious ANNE WHO WRITES RUBBISH ,so Margaret do not waste your time with her.go and have another coffee-a smoked salmon bagel goes well with it :) and come back ANN ALL IS FORGIVEN :):)

suffolkbor

Steve"
The indigenous people of this country are those of us whose ancestors have populated these islands for thousands of years and whose craftsmen , agriculturists , gardeners industrialists , scientists and free thinkers have made this country into one of the most advanced and socially evolved countrys in the world .
The indigenous people of these islands are fair skinned North Atlantic folks who have fought and died for their country in order to protect it,s freedoms which have been fought for hard and long .
I bet that your marxist schoolteachers never told you that did they Steve?

Dave M

"So- we are presented with distressing footage of the victims of war and are told it's all hard old usurping Israel's fault and too many of us swallow the line and too many get angry and indignant against such agents of injustice and that makes us feel so good and self righteous."

Most people aren't aware how the more fanatical Islamic militants hide behind civilians. The images of injured children caught up in the fighting in Gaza is obviously distressing. The trouble is the IDF has the messy job of trying to dismantle the Hamas terror structure in populated areas. If missiles and arms are hidden in schools, mosques, hospitals and urban buildings, casualties are going to result. It's not like the Hamas Jihadists are embedded in trenches wearing uniforms for pitched battle man to man. Their mentality reasons the most reliable place to store rockets and arms will be in mosques and schools. Then if the IDF does strike such targets, Europe and the U.K. will then side with Hamas. Added to that, Islamic terrorists go further than this. They think nothing of persuading children to walk into Israel wearing suicide belts. They're also more than happy for women to blow themselves up. When terrorists embedded themselves in a the Beslan school, what most westerners don't know is many Russian celebrities offered to swap places with the school children as hostages. The children were dehydrated, traumatised and terrorised. The terrorists simply refused to swap hostages. Russian special forces were forced to go in. Therefore, it's pretty gut wrenching to hear all the anti Israeli hype on the BBC when they should be casting some light on Hamas's tactics and how this war came about. They should also bear in mind that unidentified British police shot a man several times in the head in the underground because they thought he was suicide bomber. How would they have been acting if over 1000 rockets had been fired over here from a nearby border?

Martin Meenagh

Hadrian, do you really think Cromwell--the man who crushed the levellers, abolished parliament, murdered the Irish, and banned Christmas--was a hero of British democracy?

Marian C

I get very angry at the biased reporting especially by the BBC demonising Israel and I hasten to add they are not the only ones; the papers are no better. How has this been allowed to happen? & to add further insult to injury; we ‘Joe public’ are forced to pay for this cr*p via the TV License; it’s an absolute disgrace.

I have stated before that IMO the BBC should be broken up and sold off. However, again IMO that will never happen whilst we have this morally corrupt Zanu-labour party in power that use the BBC as their mouthpiece.

Yes, I would agree it’s very sad to see people being killed, especially children, irrespective of their race, colour, or creed; but the blame lies firmly with Hamas bombing Israel. I heard one presenter who claimed the rockets that Hamas fired into Israel were ‘crude’ and ‘homemade’, the inference being that that was somehow acceptable and that Israel shouldn’t hit back. I was absolutely appalled, let’s face it, suicide bombers use ‘homemade devices’ that does not, stop them from being any less effective.

I avidly read all the comment with interest on this blog; those who are pro Israeli and those against and even those of the rabid leftist nutter’s (you know the ones I mean). However, with the greatest of respect would it not be better, rather than just bickering and backbiting or venting your anger with each other, would it not beneficial to:-

1. Create an on-line petition which can be sent to the Government stating the genuine anger that is felt not just by Jews, but by lots of non Jews at this very biased reporting, and the racial / religious incitement that such reporting creates. After all, each and every one of us in this country are voters; surely, isn’t that the reason why so many gave up their lives during WW1 & WW2 so that we could have the right to speak up and defend our freedoms/civil liberties.

2. Voice your anger/displeasure either via email or write letters to your local MP

3. Write or email the newspapers; not only the broadsheets but also the ‘red tops’ (it doesn’t matter whether you read them on a regular basis or not)

If enough people complain, then maybe, just maybe, something will be done. If this has already been suggested by others then I apologise in advance.

Darren

It is so sad to see this period of disorder for England and the UK, as Islam flexes its muscle on the streets. May the British find their fighting spirit once again.

Vicky Park

Hysterical over exaggeration (no surprise as it seems to be Phillip’s standard operating procedure) with all things jewish / Israeli (she appears incapable of distinguishing between the two). I’ve just walked up Whitechapel Rd this morning and Starbucks is open with no signof damage that I could see, and, if you look closely, Tesco’s has a smaller (8” by 12” patch of covered over graffiti . The Fieldgate St synagogue across the road iwas untouched (surely a more obvious target if the perpetrators were ‘anti-semites’ .

Dixon

beloved
January 18th, 2009 12:43pm

"They are selling coffee to the masses ..."

Good job I re-read your comment, for a moment there I thought you were one of those who deride "the masses".

You are spot on, of course. The kind of people who endorse everything that is detrimental to the popular good and hate everything that most people enjoy are the ones who necessarily feel compelled to denounce "the masses" because otherwise they have to face up to and consider why they're opinions are of such a minority.

I used to be one of that tribe. In my twenties, sneering at "the masses". I had the balls to examine my attitudes...and the fortune to enter a profession where I meet "the masses". Now I realise that "the masses" are where wisdom ultimately finds refuge.

Of course, George Orwell understood this long before I was born. As a youth I could not comprehend his denunciation of "intellectuals" in favour of the "common man". With age and experience, I found his thinking all fell into place.

Of course, the attitudes we are talking about are commonplace among the young. What is really sad is when they never discover an ability to grow out of it. Like some of the trolls who post comments here.

Dixon

Margaret Muller-Johansson
January 18th, 2009 12:42pm
Dixon, I like to go to the library and see if I can borrow what you are reading"

You will probably have to order an inter-library loan for the one I cited, that costs about £1 and takers a couple of weeks. I have very rarely bought academic books...using the inter-library loan system saves hundreds of pounds. If the book you want, however obscure, is in one library anywhere in the country, they will obtain it for you. Even from university libraries.

However, what I've just said applied fifteen years ago, it may be out of date. What with the "dumbing down" of libraries into DVD and game repositories. You'll have to check.

Apropos our discussion here, I would strongly recommend "Intellectuals" by Paul Johnson, Phoenix / Orion Books, ISBN 1-84212-039-5.

Read that and you will understand why many educated people regard "intellectual" as a filthy word!

Dixon

Suffolkbor, whilst I am in sympathy with you, I think you have made the mistake of taking Steve's baited trap...now he can just turn round and pigeonhole you in one of his stereotypes.

For future reference, have a look at how I responded to him, a bit earlier.

Dixon

BTW, ISBNs have recently switched to a 13 digit system. You can find ISBN old-to-new converters on the internet.

patricia

I'm sure the Israeli Army operating in Gaza were real careful not to break anything, smash any shop windows or break the law in any way.

patricia

One thing is obvious from this ghastly invasion.

Israelis who have condemned to death any of the Palestinian civilians who voted in Hamas can no longer do so.

Palestinian deaths, they say, are justified because those killed dared to vote for Hamas.

The same logic applies to the support Israeli civilians have given to Olmert. After all, both Hamas and Israel have bombed civilians, and both actions are approved of by their electorates.

What's good for the goose...

Augustus

What if the Israeli military decided to summarily execute the Hamas terrorists (for you can't call them soldiers)? The whole world would burst out in indignation at such atrocities, although formally Israel would be right to do so. Non-military insurgents who wage an armed war do not come under the protection of the Geneva Convention. But Israel is a democratic state and aims at protecting lives. there is only one democratic state in the Middle East, and that is Israel. There is only one country there which upholds international laws on human rights, and that is Israel. And the crazy and destructive anti-Semites around the world who support the Palestinian terrorists are only furthering destruction of their own communities. And many of the West's leaders, who seem only able to cope with a fairweather type of democracy, are heading towards one objective only; an absolute and totalitarian multicultural society where an idiotic religious intolerance rules.

Oliver

Why is the Met allowing crazed muslim demonstrators to destroy shops in London weekend after weekend?

Must be in the interests of 'community cohesion'. 'Sides, it's easier to confront an angry farmer on a countryside rally. He won't be able to call you 'racist'...

If there's any coppers reading this - GET A ***ING GRIP!

Mark Solomon

Brian Smith, you should hang your head in shame for your sick comment. It's not 'just a few broken windows' - go read and learn some history, that is exactly how the worst crime in humanity's history, the only true genocide committed to date, started. You are making excuses for Nazism and I find it sick that people like you are still around these days.

phil

Margaret I have never had a starbucks .but I am going to as soon as I can find one Anne is what we call here as "daft as a brush" and has now probably made many more starbucks customers .

phil

Annette-QUESTION TIME I never miss one and it has been apparent for a long time where his bias lies-He is no advert for his dad ,who was a fantastic Englishman .

yesterday I suggested the readers put "children of hamas "in their browser and watched the video it will shock anyone who sees it -it accounts for so much of the hatred and with that hatred comes the cause of so many unnecessary deaths -I hope some of the posters will watch it.

logdon

Dixon, I missed Phil's loaded comment but now after reading it, perfectly understand, like you, where the question was leading. Silly student semantics which is so subjective it's not worth wasting the time or effort in engaging. But it could be swung towards the whole thing this blog revolves around. Israel of course and who actually has a right to the land it occupies. If we used Phil's marxist argument there is no such thing as an 'indigenous race' therefore blowing the Hamas parroted Islamist argument out of the water. Ah, but with the smallest amount of examination we find that our rules which are stringently applied in Britain, the US and Europe, don't count in the Middle East where Muslim land is exactly that. Muslim land. In perpetuity. Not much in the way of multiculturalism in Gaza is there where if you disagree with the boys with the AK's, RPG's and Land Cruisers you won't last long? You Tube hosts a whole section of ghastly video footage on how Hamas dealt with it's Fatah rivals after the 'election' was over. And they were fellow Muslims! Imagine the scenario if those barbarians ever got the upper hand in Israel? So basically Phil and his cohort travellers will argue for one standpoint when it comes to the West where our doors are ever open, yet the converse in Israel where he want's the interloper Jews out? Now that is what I'd call double standards!

Dave M

"If enough people complain, then maybe, just maybe, something will be done. If this has already been suggested by others then I apologise in advance."

After having thought about all of this in the past, I can't help but conclude it's like flogging a dead horse. From what I can gather, those of us who don't buy into this notion of "Political Islam as innocent victims" ideology are a minority. The vast majority of people in the U.K seems to be sympathetic to Hamas, to Iran and also to the expansion of Islam in general, as a political force. Only the working classes actually resent this trend as well as one or two centre right journals and Middle Classes. maybe Channel 4 too. At least, this is my view of how things are. I've watched Melanie appear on BBC Question Time many times in the past and it always seems to me the majority of the audience just don't understand what she explains to them. They simply can't get past the concept of Israel and America as bully boys and then global Jihadists as some kind of victims. Whenever some atrocity or mass suicide bombing takes place, such people somehow imagine it happens because we're all collectively intolerant and we need to "negotiate" with the likes of Hamas or mullahs in Iran. Now I hear Gordon Brown can't wait to throw billions of pounds of taxpayers money at Gaza, no doubt encouraged by public anger over here towards Israel. Yes, it sounds very harsh to call to question this aid but you can't help but think the Palestinians have had ample opportunity to spend donated money in order to build their economy. Somehow, despite all the aid, more arms are acquired and there are no signs of a spark of democracy in the region. So, why should taxpayers over here not see some charity closer to home or maybe some cash thrown towards failing businesses? Brown simply doesn't have this money to spend but he's evidently encouraged by the general public.

Brian Moshe

Penny writes:
January 17th, 2009 2:20am
"Brian [Moshe] - on another page of Melanie's blog I mentioned that my husband's family were amongst those expelled from Nasser's Egypt in the '50's."

Penny, thank you for telling me this. I have not been able to find your post despite trying and don't have time to go on looking for it. Please could you say the date and time of your posting as I am very interested in the Egyptian-Jewish plight, past and present.

Louise

Marian, I think we should all start with the BBC first (in view of its obloigation to be impartial and its widespread global reach), along the lines you mentioned.
Trevor Asserson, the prominent London lawyer (now in Israel) who over the last few years issued scathing reports fully documenting the BBC's bias, challenged the BBC's right, in its present form and given its outrageous bias, to have its Charter renewed - but of course it did, and evidently as a result it is as demonically biased against Israel (and alot else besides)as it ever was.
I don't know what's happened to Michael Fabricant MP's initiative re Parliament and BBC bias, but I think an online peition to the relevant government minister might be the way forward.
Perhaps there's a lawyer reading this blog who might be able to suggest something.
I certainly hope so. Jeremy Bowen's online Gaza Diary alone is cause for very serious complaint and concern!

MD

Explanation, please, why this evening's post not included?

Ronnie

Oh God Dixon are you putting it about, in one of your many endless posts, telling everyone that only English people are indigenous to Britain?

Dixon

Logdon...I take it you have accidentally transposed "Steve" with "Phil"...then the rest of what you say is exactly correct.

To put it another way, as I did here a week or so ago, if Jews settling in Palestine justifies missile attacks by Hamas, the exact same logic would justify missile attacks on the Muslim "settlers" who "occupy" Bradford! Potty!

So anyone from anywhere is entitled to settle anywhere. Except that nobody else from anywhere are allowed to settle amnywhere near "Palestine" and "Arab land".

This absurd contradiction is the very gigantic elephant in the sitting room of pro-"Palestine" politics.

Dixon

Dave M. I have to disagree. The way I evaluate it, whilst most people do not have a sophisticated understanding of the issues, nonetheles, the "vast majority" of , shall we say, the aboriginals of the British Isles, regard everything Islamic with raw loathing. Yet they will also tolerate it as long as it is Humanly possible to tolerate anything. This is what you find if you dare raise the topic with almost any ordinary person, in all walks of life.

Meanwhile, this vast majority, maybe 75% of the established population, is effectively powerless to express itself by any legitimate means, because the media and politics is indeed dominated by those who are of a diametrically opposite attitude. So there is a pressure cooker effect, a constant and increasing simmering which is ready to be exploited by genuine extremists and opportunists such as the BNP.

The self-styled "intelligentsia" fail to recognise that they are storing up huge problems for themselves in the near future. It is a situation not dissimilar to that which existed in Yugoslavia under the artificial multi-cultural "stability" of the Tito era. Look what happenned when that boiled over!

Unfortunately, such people as we often see making facile comments on here...equating racist firebombing of Jewish businesses to something as trivial as dog poo on the pavement, for example... do not actually mix with anyone but their own tribe. They grow up in such an environment of "intellectual" superiority to the general populace, whom they hold in deep contempt, go to university in such an environment and very often STAY in such an enclave their entire lives, never actually having a legitimate interaction of equals with any of what they term "the masses".

Marian C

Dave M:- ‘After having thought about all of this in the past, I can't help but conclude it's like flogging a dead horse. From what I can gather, those of us who don't buy into this notion of "Political Islam as innocent victims" ideology are a minority. The vast majority of people in the U.K seems to be sympathetic to Hamas, to Iran and also to the expansion of Islam in general, as a political force. Only the working classes actually resent this trend as well as one or two centre right journals and Middle Classes. maybe Channel 4 too. At least, this is my view of how things are.’

Dave, I understand how you feel totally, but I don’t think that we are a minority; the MSM may wish many people to think that is the case but I’m not so sure that is true reflection. There are a lot of people who are cheesed off with all this PC correctness and are in actual fact very resentful all this bending over backwards for these fanatics; especially here in the north were I live.

‘Whenever some atrocity or mass suicide bombing takes place, such people somehow imagine it happens because we're all collectively intolerant and we need to "negotiate" with the likes of Hamas or mullahs in Iran.’

Again I would agree with you, personally, I cannot see how you can “negotiate” with these people; when there are so many different factions all wanting / saying different things. Even the individual factions cannot agree with each other a typical example of this are the Sunni and Shia’s and so therefore none of them are speaking as one voice; hence a no win situation. As for Hammas IMO they are just terrorists and you can’t negotiate with terrorists at any level.

‘Now I hear Gordon Brown can't wait to throw billions of pounds of taxpayers money at Gaza, no doubt encouraged by public anger over here towards Israel’.

IMO, I don’t think it due to the ‘public anger over here towards Israel’, it more to do with gaining him votes in the elections. Most people think that our glorious leader (GB) is an out and out delusional nutter. This lousy government has nearly bankrupted the country and old Gordon Brown is going to throw billions of pounds at Gaza; the man is barking. I wonder how many people who have lost their jobs, houses, pensions; savings etc feel about that.

‘Yes, it sounds very harsh to call to question this aid but you can't help but think the Palestinians have had ample opportunity to spend donated money in order to build their economy. Somehow, despite all the aid, more arms are acquired and there are no signs of a spark of democracy in the region. So, why should taxpayers over here not see some charity closer to home or maybe some cash thrown towards failing businesses? Brown simply doesn't have this money to spend but he's evidently encouraged by the general public.’

I don’t think it sounds harsh at all, there has got to come a time when you have to say enough is enough; how many times can you keep giving money which never seems to help the people that need the money nor does it make one jot of difference to their economy, it just seems to disappear into the ether. Charity should begin at home and we need to look after ourselves and as you quite rightly say towards failing businesses here in this country.

Derek

Graet, Marian! You have begun to answer the question "What is to be done?" which I was asking myself! Let's follow up on your and later comments in that direction.My country does not want and cannot afford the kind of disgrace identified by Melanie Phillips. In the 17th century, we saw our destiny as a new Israel.Let's try to regain that vision in defending the old Israel.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

Dave M, in this days the majority of people in this part of the world don't understand history, literature, religion etc, unfortunately they don't know the difference between extremism and liberalism, in my personal experience some of the people have to be 70 years old to have a simple conversation with, it is hard to talk with the young ones, sometimes it feels like talking to a "wall", some of them are not that young they are 30, 40 and over, and the only thing they care about is shopping, holidays, drinking, decorating their houses and things like that, they also know how to argue, the other day, i met some people, I am telling you this people for 30 minutes they talk about if melons are appetizer or dessert, I think all this left wing liberals belong to be Jerry Springer show, I mean Jeremy kyle

Marian C

Louise: " don't know what's happened to Michael Fabricant MP's initiative re Parliament and BBC bias, but I think an online peition to the relevant government minister might be the way forward.
Perhaps there's a lawyer reading this blog who might be able to suggest something.
I certainly hope so. Jeremy Bowen's online Gaza Diary alone is cause for very serious complaint and concern!"

I too wondered what happened to Michael Fabricant MP. I would also agree with you re: Jeremy Bowens on line Gaza diary. Hopefully an on-line petition can be created which can be sent to Downing Street to let them know how many people in this country feel about this biased reporting. I'm going to start sending emails & letters if need be to my local MP and to the papers. We can but try, nothing ventured nothing gained (so to speak).

Mrs Dalloway

Dixon, the people who run your country need to wake up and smell Starbucks coffee

Dave M

"the "vast majority" of , shall we say, the aboriginals of the British Isles, regard everything Islamic with raw loathing."

Dixon, Over the years, what I've found is that the American posters are very skeptical over any notion of accommodating Political Islam. Nevertheless, student types or intellectuals from the U.K. all tend to view Jews as the bad guys. They have this idea Jews don't belong in Israel at all and that the Palestinians are somehow the ancient indigenous people. The thousands of people you see ranting and raving and waving "Free Palestine!" banners, (arm in arm with radical Islamicists) have probably never read a balanced history of the Middle East. It would seem they believe New Labour and the BBC's portrayal of events. However, I do agree the s**t is going to hit the fan, so to speak at some point, just as you stated. The trouble is that, for the time being, the Beeb and New Labour have been able to play with fire on their own terms. In a democracy they're quite able to slander the U.S. and Israel while bending over backwards to flatter organizations such as Hamas. However, a few cracks already started to appear recently in the veneer when the Beeb dared to publish a flicker of the Danish Muhammad cartoons. In no time at all, furious mobs took to the streets of London calling down hellfire and brimstone on BBC producers. George Galloway likewise was almost publically lynched for suggesting democracy and Political Islam can co-exist. It was the Police that saved his life. So, yes, all of this is going to backfire. New Labour, the Beeb and fellow idealists will one day wake up and feel the cold chill of reality biting. The Islamic State they've been praising for many years may well soon wind up on their doorstep.

logdon

Dixon
January 18th, 2009 11:15pm
Logdon...I take it you have accidentally transposed "Steve" with "Phil"...then the rest of what you say is exactly correct.

Whoops! Apologies to the innocent Phil.

Mani Alhelya

"New Labour, the Beeb and fellow idealists will one day wake and feel the cold chil of reality biting. The Islamic State they've been praising for many years may well soon wind up on their doorstep"

AMEN

phil

LOGDON/DIXON -no problem I am sure you both know I am neither steve nor a marxist -maybe it was a senior moment -I have lots :)

Dixon

Ronnie
January 18th, 2009 10:44pm
Oh God Dixon are you putting it about, in one of your many endless posts, telling everyone that only English people are indigenous to Britain?"

Well, that was a reply to a word-trap set by "Steve", and itself a word-trap...which Ronnie has hilariously fallen into.

Folks, go read what I wrote and see what kind of idiot could so easily misunderstand it. Quite obviously, to anyone with the reading comprehension skills
of a ten year old, I didn't say anything remotely like that.

beloved

Dixon,

Thank you for re-reading and understanding my post. Sarcasm is always risky for clear communication. I like how you say it in your post from January 18th, 2009 11:31pm.

Melanie speaks truth to that power. 75 percent of us will never surrender. :)

AngloWelsh Dragon

Dixon reveals: 'I've just watched "When Mars attacks"'.
He terms it 'a parable' and considers it to be 'prophetic'.
How intellectual and meaningful and how lucky we all are to receive his contributions. You don't by any chance read ... er ... the Sun do you Dixon?

Slater

Well I read the Telegraph and The Speccie and I agree with Dixon: Mars Attacks is a wonderful metaphor for the way we suck up to the islamofascists and they blow us up all the same.

It really narks me when people like Stacey play the man instead of the ball like that. Who says you have to be a Sun reader to watch a Tim Burton film? Ridiculous!

Dixon

Anglo welsh dragon...what a lovely monniker BTW... Thanks for your support. It may be big-headed of me to say this, but if you go back to the thread where "Slater" made that silly remark you may find I delivered a reasonable response!

I can only assume the person has no idea what "Mars attacks" is, maybe he/she thinks its a Fifties B movie. In which case, a quite laughable display of ignorance on their part!

Dixon

...Oh, this IS that thread...in which case, "see above".

Davide Simonetti

Attacks on Jews (or anyone else) are outrageous. It is totally uncalled for. I wonder if we could see some equal condemnation for this: British Jews attacked for pro-Gaza solidarity

Ronnie

Dixon, sorry, I have to go now. I'm going to the doctor to have my paranoia treated.