Banana fool in King Charles Street

An American

How do so many fools get into powerful positions to do so much damage?

An American

How do so many fools get into powerful positions to do so much damage?

pm317

Thank you, Ms. Phillips. We need somebody like you on this side of the Atlantic (have you seen the American media lately? -- they have all become Obama lapdogs.) Someone will stop him before Obama becomes a Miliband but he has expressed similar (nonsensical) sentiments before which makes me very nervous. No one must negotiate with a state that uses terrorism directly or indirectly to air its purported political disagreements.

stanley Jerusalem

Milliband in FCO, Darling in the Treasury, where's Blackadder?

boxermk

this has nothing to do with the above, which is disturbing, but did you hear that Geert Wilders will undergo Criminal Prosecution for his criticism of Islam! I feel like this is worse than any terrorist attack in the long run. This is the end.

Ronnie

An American, probably because everyone else is too busy getting on with their work in the real world.

These people are career politicians and, as a consequence, they seem to become completely divorced from normal life, based on direct experience and common sense.

Dee Ranged

An American:

Good question. The fact is that we voted this deceiving lot into power at the last election.

We were twice duped by Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Soon you will discover you also have been duped by President Obama Hussien Barack.

phil

what has our foreign secretary said about all this criticism?

Another American

Exactly right, An American. I'm hoping that we didn't just inaugurate our own "fool" yesterday. (But I'm afraid we did.) I didn't vote for Obama, but I'm willing to give him a chance. All indications are, however, that he's going to turn out just like Miliband.

Fred blogs

Shouldn't we wait for concrete evidence of slip-ups before we barrack him as Bananaobamaman?

Grumpy the Real

Give him detention, and make him write - 'I'm a silly little fellow way out of my reach' - a hundred times.

And send a note to his mum -Mrs Bananaman.

Yet another American

My fellow Americans (in this blog at least) - so already Barack Hussein has betrayed the victims of 9/11 - but is he going to undo any of former Veep Cheyney's legislation insulating the Vice Presidency from too much oversight and/or inspection? I think not! Business as usual in the White [sic] House.

Yet another American

My fellow Americans (in this blog at least) - so already Barack Hussein has betrayed the victims of 9/11 - but is he going to undo any of former Veep Cheyney's legislation insulating the Vice Presidency from too much oversight and/or inspection? I think not! Business as usual in the White [sic] House.

Rob

Dee Ranged

'We were twice duped by Prime Minister Tony Blair.'

Wasn't it three times? May be that's the problem in the UK - counting past 2 is beyond most people.

And, as an aside, we weren't all 'deceived'. Blair was a slimebag from the start of campaigning in 1997 and, if you couldn't see it, you can't be the brightest bubble in the box.

J Salhai

Hello BananaMan and ObamaMan, you should be friends and move to the Papaya world

American number 4

I have two questions: 1) What are we supposed to do, not vote? Is that the only way to keep idiots out of office? 2) What are we supposed to do WHEN the idiots are in office? Considering that the media and most everyone else is treating Obama like the risen lord and savior, even if he does get like Miliband, what are we to do?

Paul

Its only right that we should have a banana minister because we are little more than a banana republic now. We are irrelevent in the world today.
We have the worst performing economy and currency in the G10. The pound has fallen the furthest since we left the gold standard in 1931.
The 21st century is the century of India and China as the 20th was the ascendancy of the USA. We produce virtually nothing and import everything. Its China and India who are now the workshop of the world.
We have had 12 years of profligate spending from Mr Prudence No More Boom or Bust.
We voted for them so we deserve the consequences of the bananamen. Its going to get a lot worse yet.

Stan

This is what happens when you have Mr Bean as Foreign Minister. Just be thankful he lost the nerve to run against Brown for PM!!

Niccolo Machiavelli

Maybe his antics will win him some support amongst the Jew-hating apologists for Islamo-fascism that make up the majority of Labour Party rank and file members...

Daibhidh MacAdhaimh

I guess he likes the hollow sound of his own intellect if no one else does.

pm317

For all my compatriots here from America:

Obama is our waffle man, he is the great wimp and an apologist. The Islamic blackmailers everywhere should rest assured and continue their terror activities while Obama will psychoanalyze them as to the root causes of their behavior.

Did you all notice this?

From AmericanThinker blog,

One quick comment on the Inaugural address. Was it only me who noticed that Obama spoke of America as a nation of “Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and the non-believers”, in that order? Usually it is Christians and Jews that get paired, and mentioned first. There are 2-3 times as many Jews as Muslims in America, so alphabetical order and group size do not explain Obama’s order. I think this was a throwaway line to make nice to Muslims abroad who do not much like America (or Jews). It was not the only one in the speech.

For the question from "An American" above: I'm originally from India and we always wondered why intelligent and thinking people would never get into politics but only thugs and people of questionable morality who are willing to do anything get into it. What was disheartening to see in this latest American election was that Obama fit that bill of a thug and a bully so perfectly -- I did not vote for Obama. He is a wimp to those he can't bully but a bully to those he can (by preferably dredging up scandals from their past).

JJS

I think Brown's much vaunted "intellect" is of a piece with his much vaunted "fiscal competence".

Jack

pm317 - I noticed that too! And was disturbed by it. Mentioning Muslims before Jews was a definite demotion for the Jews (rather than a promotion for the Muslims) - signalling a change of emphasis. To Iran? To the world? We'll soon know.....

John Connor

pm317

Which scandals did Obama dredge up from the past?

Just curious.

nosmo

pm317

Yes I also noticed that order of words. An omen?

pm317

Connor, don't want the post to get too long but the way he won all his elections in IL was by dredging up something on his opponents and mostly eliminating them before the elections so people did not have a choice but to vote for him. He won based on a technicality in his first IL senate election and won his seat to US senate by eliminating his stronger Repub opponent by dredging up his divorce details which made the opponent to withdraw and Obama ran against Keyes! John Edwards and his sex scandal -- if anybody thinks there were no Obama fingerprints on that, they're naive. He is a common politician with no scruples and I am being generous in my assessment when I say that. He is a media phenomenon and it will be curious to find out why the moneyed people backed him and what do they want in return (we kind of know some of it already).

Manuel

Millipede of the FCO is, if nothing else, a very stupid & dangerous fool. Is it his role in life to consistently upset this country's friends, in the past couple of weeks India & Israel? On second thoughts, he just about sums up this lousy, stupid, ignorant, deceiving & underhand bunch of loosers masquerading as H.M. government. Brown is busy wasting more 'borrowed' money on local grown self styled Muslim "moderates", more into arms purchases in Gaza (better if we shipped in supplies & goods instead of slapping money into corrupt, greedy, blood stained paws) chucking brass at them, whilst at the same time letting the idiot Millipede spout off insults to friends & allies.
We have need to defend our country, our way of life and that of our friends & allies from the evil without and within our islands. Brown & gang seem totally unable to grasp it and therefore are endangering all of us.
Should Brown now do the only decent thing left too him, grab his bunch of loosers & take a long walk off Beachy Head?
Oh, and while he is going for his walk, please can we demand he takes the BBC political & Middle East departments with.

An American

To all the American bloggers.

Thank you for your comments.

I don't know if you read my comments on Melanie's previous blog 'Mild Mannered British ask for Annilhilation of Israel'...I wrote it yesterday...one of the saddest days of American history and for myself. I put it all out there...vented, you might say.

Unlike many folks, I don't wish Obama well in his presidency.

To do so...I would want Obama to succeed in socializing the US even further. I would want him to weaken our armed forces... weaken our intelligence system and make us vulnerable to another radical Islamic attack, most likely a nuclear attack. I would want him to form an young internal army (kind of like Mao's Red Guard or Hitler's Youth) who pledge allegiance to Obama and has been put in place to intimidate and make Americans afraid. I would want him to take my guns away so I could no longer protect myself and my property. I would want him to take my right to listen to people like Limbaugh and Hannity on radio, watch Fox TV and read the Spectator, etc. I would want a socialist nanny state that takes hard-earned money away from the achievers of our society and gives to the worthless life-long losers in our society...I would want a dead society.

No...I don't want Obama to succeed.

Unfortunately, the only way to save the US, is for Obama to fail...badly. Then we could clean it all up and start over again.

David Lindsay

In what sense is Israel a British ally? Just for a start, in which war has she ever fought with us? Or with the Americans, for that matter?

I have no desire to see anyone "wiped off the map", or what have you. But I cannot see what the Isrealis have ever done for us (or for the Americans). Although I can see that they are routinely ungrateful in the extreme whenever we (or the Americans) do anything for them.

If they need other countries' forces or weapons (and I don't see that they do - they have plenty of their own), then they should pay for them. If our Navy is to go to Gaza, then let Israel pay for our Navy.

An American

Connor,
PM137 did a good job of informing you how Obama got where he is today.

Obama also was given/filled an Illinois state legislative seat while the sitting Congresswoman ran for a higher office. The understanding was that if she lost her primary, Obama would stand down and let this Congresswoman run again for her seat...he reneged on their deal. Thus, how he started his sterling political career.

Obama originally agreed with McCain to commit to Campaign Finance. He reneged on that and brought in 100 times the money compared to the money that the Campaign Finance allowed McCain for his campaign.

Obama is ambitious and completely corrupt. His word is worthless.

stanley Jerusalem

David Lindsay - Read what the Jewish settlers in Palestine did when they fought on our side against Hitler's Arab allies. Then come back and apologise. BTW don't start spewing up the Stern gang. That was after the war and in response to the gentlemanly Ernie Bevin's sending ex- Concentration camp survivors back to Germany when they tried making new lives for themselves in Palestine - mismanaged by the British Mandate till they ran with their tails between their legs in May '48 and left the Israelis to face a neighbourly attack by the armies of 250,000,000 arabs, some led by British officers.

Gary O

Get this: India does not train and send terrorists all around the world. It doesn't blackmail Western nations into paying it ransome money - or else. It tolerates people of various faiths and myriads of beliefs. It gets on with the task of being a democracy in the face of some of the most appalling and testing conditions. Most Indians living abroad live peacefully and have no problem with Western culture. It is the most populous country and - yet it is seen by the West as an enemy, as something that they can almost toss about and insult and threaten. USA arms pakistan to its teeth, China arms Pakistan to its teeth, Western countries pour billions down its throat.
When British Foreign Ministers visit India, they still behave like Viceroys and lord over their hosts and say insulting things. But when they visit pakistan (for they must), they cower, they plead and they apologise for being British.
Where is India going wrong?

Grumpy the Real

Say David old chap is that the same navy which gave up/surrendered to a bunch of iranian nutters in a coupla speed boats.
It is!
Then keep it.
There you are, no play- play navy, no pay-pay by Israel.

Paniro The Phantom

does anyone else find it a little funny that the biggest political changeover of the millenium (complete with a speech which attemted to pre-define Obama's forthcoming term in office) occured yesterday and all supposed political commentator Melanie Phillips can talk about is a poorly written article by David Milliband which may have offended some people in India after the Mumbai attacks but which nobody had even heard of until they read this article?? this blog merely promotes neocon views with very little evidence (seriously 90% of her sources either sound made up or are from publications like 'Newsmax' and the like) so that other neocons can pretend that their prejudices are relevant and justified. really, it's all very lame....

Raymond in DC

David Lindsay writes, "But I cannot see what the Israelis have ever done for us (or for the Americans)."

Are you kidding? Who was it that revealed the Kruchiev speech of 1956 to the West? Whose navy and Air Force provided a check on the Russian fleet in the eastern Med in the closing decades of the Cold War? Who was it that provided valuable intel on Soviet weaponry over the years? Israel. Who was it that deterred Syria from invading Jordan - an ally of both the US and the UK - in 1971? Israel. Who, working with the US, finally made tactical missile defense viable? Israel.

Now, apropos this article, it is no longer surprising that Israel has become perhaps a better ally to India than is the UK. Two great ancient civilizations are fighting a common enemy - radical Islam. The UK under Milliband doesn't yet see that threat.

Tancred

Come the elction Melanie - who are YOU going to vote for.

Can you think of one, and there is only one, British political party that is on your side?

Only one party that is unafriad of tellinmg it like it is about Islamism and the Jihad.

I can.

Hysteria

Milliband's worst offence though was to insist on calling the Indians by their first name, despite their calling him "Your Excellency" - you can just imagine the ingratiating
Blair-esqueness of the conversation.

Diplomacy is all about - erm - diplomacy !!!!

Norm

What next? That the chief imam of London's Finsbury Park Mosque should be elevated to the House of Lords?’

This is so not funny because it could actually happen.

HarleyDavidson

An Indian writer on Melaine's blog wrote Indian was eagerly waiting for Britain's Foreign Minister to visit Indian, however, Britain sent a comedian instead. Thanks for the laughs! How can anyone top that?
Nevertheless, Miliband does work for that dynamic, fellow Brown. You know that guy busy on his task of bankrupting Britain before anyone gets to notice Brown's hero is Iceland closely followed by his admiration of the Hamas government.

OBAMA
One attendee at Obama's inauguration said it was like listening to God yesterday. I think He rode in on a donkey with an armour suit in case the Romans troops got out of hand again.
Therefore, to the Americans on this blog, how can you top that? What with God and His disciples running the show how can you possibly go wrong? Perhaps the mighty one could learn a thing or two from Miliband, a hero to 1.5 billion Muslims everywhere.

Before I stop writing, one suggestion for the Jews. As you are NOT considered "human" and have no "rights" as per various human rights groups such as Amanisty International, UN Human Rights, George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University, and other Brit and EU human rights organizations might I suggest Jew reclassify themselves to animal status?
NO ONE messes with PETA!

Margaret Muller-Johansson

OH David Lindsay what are you talking about? do you think Israel wants anything from Britain? I don't think so, Britain been dependent on Jewish people for a long time if they where from Israel or India, if you don't have anything good to post David don't post it at all

Harrietta Macaroni

An American, Are you saying Obama will make your country like Britain? that is dangerous, if I was you I would immigrate somewhere else

Yet another American

Clearly there's no point in engaging with David Lindsay..... To ask the questions he has shows a singular lack of insight.

Augustus

Miliband is a typical example of one of those left-wing band of brothers of whom one often gets the disturbing impression that one would have of a description of one man beating another unconscious which omitted to mention that the act occurred during a boxing match.

Lizzy

An American, I sympathise with your situation, especially as expressed in your other post on the eve of the inauguration.

I am not an American by nationality but admire the honest, hardworking and independent American spirit. I find that spirit embodied in Sarah Palin and have been reading as much as possible about her (outside the MSM of course) particularly her battle against the big oil companies in Alaska. She strikes me as an honest, decent, intelligent, down to earth person with a big heart, someone who has a life outside politics and who has the strength, integrity and personality to be a true leader. After all the derision and nastiness endured by Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton, I think the biggest real change will only come when Americans elect a female President.

Richard Buckley

David Lindsay asks "In what sense is Israel a British ally? Just for a start, in which war has she ever fought with us?"

Well, in Eden's Suez adventure for one but let's go back further than that.

Jews from what was to become Israel fought under General Allenby in WW1 to defeat the Ottoman Empire. Chaim Weizmann, later to become the first President of the State of Israel, solved the shell shortage on the Western front by working out, at the British Government's request, how to produce acetone in industrial quantities. He then donated the patents to the British Government. By way of contrast, the Arabs in what was to become Israel, under the leadership of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, supported Germany and the Kaiser.

In WW2, Jews fought with the British in the British Army and in the Jewish Brigade despite the bitter opposition of world Jewry to the British White Paper on the future of Palestine. The Palestinians, again led by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, supported, er, Hitler.

As Abba Eban, Foreign Minister of Israel from 1966-1974, once said, "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity".

I think it can be assumed that it will be Israel which will deal with the nuclear threat from Iran (which threatens all nations, not just Israel). Governments around the world will then publicly deplore such action whilst privately applauding it, just as is happening in Gaza at present.

Finally, David Lindsay might be interested to know that British Jews say a loyal prayer for HM The Queen and the Royal family during Saturday services. I am not aware (but I might be wrong) that such a prayer is said in churches or mosques.

KM

Basically we in the UK have handed all fiscal powers over to Europe. So we have ministers of state preaching the left wing idealism that has perniciously taken over all wellsprings of power within Europe.
Hence bananaman is really just a message boy espousing the marxist theories of his masters. Here in Britain this lot really will turn us into a third rate marxist nanny state, our freedoms of speech,thought and movement are all in the process of being withdrawn.
Wont be too long till we are the new Jerusalem and I don't mean Blake's version. Were stuffed and our children's heritage squandered so these clowns can enjoy the perks of the new europe.

david lynn

David Lindsay, "Just for a start, in which war has she ever fought with us?"

How about Suez-Sinai War? Egypt on one side, and Israel, Britain and France on the other.

Israelis who know their history don't consider GB an ally. Here's why: "In 1922, the League of Nations granted the United Kingdom a mandate over Palestine under terms similar to the Balfour Declaration." "Between 1945 and 1948, the refusal of the British government to allow Jewish immigration to Palestine led to an increasingly bitter conflict between Britain and Palestinian Jews. In particular it resulted in large scale illegal Jewish immigration, "boat people", and terrorism in Palestine. The policy of opposing Zionism led to deep divisions within the British leadership and antisemitism in Britain." wikipedia. last thing Israel needs is British Navy in Gaza.

Yehuda

David Lindsay, do you really believe that the USA would give Israel any support if America did not get something in return?
As for the Royal Navy "policing" Gaza, this was NOT an Israeli proposal, but Gordon Brown's. I think that the only purpose of such Royal Navy participation would be espionage against Israel, with the resulting intelligence data being transferred to Israel's mortal enemies.

Stuart

So, lifelong Marxist Ralph Miliband's son is at again. While it's wrong to pin wholesale a father's dogmas on his offspring, the fact is that David imbibed from his dad a basic sense of shame about the West and a distorted understanding of what motivates extremists in the Africa, Asia etc. He just can't bring himself to accept the truth of their hatred and bigotry.
By the way, using Miliband's logic, we might chalk up the attacks in London in 2005 to anger at Britain's role in Iraq- and assume that if Britain withdrew from Iraq and Afghanistan, Islamist wouldn't target Britain. Does Miliband really buy that?

pm317

Gary O, I appreciate your comment and (so do the billion others in India). Where is India going wrong, you ask. I don't know. But China ought to know that it can benefit better from India's growth than from putting money into Pakistan to drag it down. As for the US, it does not care except that it is coming back to bite them, the propping up of Pakistan and the neglect of India.

Mark Solomon

"Milliband in FCO, Darling in the Treasury, where's Blackadder?"

Don't know about Blackadder but isn't Mr. Bean in No. 10? :-)

Adam B.

David Lindsay, you may also wish to know that the Arab legion was led by British officers, who oversaw the intentional destruction of ancient synagogues in Jerusalem in 1948. The Arab Legion also shelled Jerusalem and besieged the Jewish Quarter. I love Britain, and many of us here are fighting for its cultural survival in the face of the Islamists' and leftists' onslaught, but this was not Britain's proudest moment.

gary ashton

ha i'm still laughing at the,
'An Indian writer on Melaine's blog wrote Indian was eagerly waiting for Britain's Foreign Minister to visit Indian, however, Britain sent a comedian instead. Thanks for the laughs! How can anyone top that?'
India and Israel should get together and sue the UK govt, but not for cash for 'airtime' on the bbc. here the journalists and presenters should be sent back to journalist school and re trained on how to distinguish truth from lies and propaganda. this should be filmed and then broadcast as a reality tv.
the bbc does it because it gets away with it, don't pay the license. kick up a stink until people notice.

Mark Solomon

"David Lindsay, "Just for a start, in which war has she ever fought with us?"
How about Suez-Sinai War? Egypt on one side, and Israel, Britain and France on the other."

Not to mention the Second World War where the Arab nations were at best neutral, troubled under British military control but hoping for Axis success to break away (like Egypt) or openly pro-Axis, like the Iraqi rebels and the Grand Mufti.

Jewish units fought with great distinction, including pilots in the battle of Britain, without there being any comparable contribution from the Arabs.

An American

Lizzy,
All that most Americans want is an honest, honorable, conservative leader...be it man or woman.

Our hope for the future would be for a Margaret Thatcher or a Ronald Reagan. But with today's liberal US schooling and society, our chances of finding someone with those qualities is slim. Perhaps our next great president will come out of our home-schooling system...more and more conservative Americans are schooling their children at home. Their children get better educations (many go on to prestigeous colleges) and have a stronger moral foundation.

The liberal press has done everything possible to destroy Palin's future chance for the presidency and will continue to do so. I hope she at least tries for the Senate. I believe she would make it.
Isn't it interesting with her experience as a City Council-woman, Mayor and Governor, the liberal social Democrats continue to say that she has no experience but ignore the pathetic lack of experience Obama has. It's all so unbelievable.

Gary O,
Thank you for your comments. You sound like you live in or know India well.

I believe and sympathize with what you say.

The fact is that America is afraid of Pakistan unlike India. That is why the US goverment behaves differently toward the two countries. I think everyone is afraid of Pakistan...the people and the country seems so completely chaotic and of course, they have a mostly Muslim population many of whom are radicals, unlike India. I still can't believe that no one did anything about the Pakistani scientist that sold nuclear secrets to North Korea and lord only knows whoelse... and apparently, made lots of money doing it.

You know the saying, a squeaky wheel gets the grease...that's Pakistan.

Let's face it...there are very few true democracies left in the world and the US along with India are outcasts in this increasingly socialist world.

Herbert Thornton

KM - (January 21st, 2009 9:59pm) -
Your gloomy forecast is already coming to pass. Your observation that our freedoms of speech, thought and movement are all in the process of being withdrawn is especially apropos in light of the recent Dutch decision to put a Dutch Member of Parliament on trial for "making anti-Islamic statements." -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7842344.stm

In the 20th century they came first for the Jews. Now in the 21st century several other groups are high on the list too.

Yet far too many of the potential victims seem to be no more willing to recognise that they face a common threat than did the victims of the Nazis.

Robbins

Please, people Obama is no Miliband.

If he fucks up the war on terror he won't be re-elected no matter what happens to the economy.

Miranda Rose Smith

Dear Ms. Phillips: Why did you call him "Banana Fool?" I LIKE bananas. Miliband must have thought he was in Israel, to think he could get away with blundering around offending people like that.

Archie

To American number 4: exactly the quandary we - and, I suspect the rest of the developed world - find our selves in. Welcome to the furture where the mainstream media controls the way we're all supposed to think and where we can only protest via these fora......for now!

Gary O

@An American
I neither live nor know India well. But I do know what is right and what is wrong. China is an authoritarian country that has total disregard of the consequences of its actions on countries, hence it does not see the evil in arming pakistan. What is US's excuse?

Archie

Marc Solomon: you are, sir, spot-on, and Israel should welcome the once-mighty Royal Navy. After all, as the Iranians showed, it is no longer a threat to anyone!

Mike

Militwerp leading the Camel Corps Caravanserai.

bring back Beckett - at least her caravaning was not so toxic.

Sam Armstrong

David Lindsay
January 21st, 2009 6:45pm

Wake up! This is not about past wars, or what this person did for that person. Radical Islam makes us all allies. Since this is a GLOBAL JIHAD there are more important things to worry about than who is whose best friend. Israel is on the front line, and if she loses, it merely makes us next. In fact, it's worse than that, as we have already had the 7/7 attack, Glasgow airport, not to mention rioting and violent protest. 9/11. Bali. Mumbai. It's all the same war.

When the beast is conquered we can sweat the small stuff, but in the meantime you should support Israel, as it is essentially doing quite a bit of our dirty work for us.

Mark Buttlin

Let's face it Milliband's worldview is treacherous but if you're an Internationalist that goes with the territory. He is passionately in love with himself, so inevitably he needs to be in a position to boost his ego which means telling other people off. But he has nothing to be arragant about apart from a dry intellectualism. So he can't tell off enemies because they might hit back and put him in an impossible position. So he'll patronise friends who don't want to become enemies. But people like him become politicians because the people who would be any good are too busy doing proper things. Melanie, youy need to be telling these people to 'agitate educate organise'; only then will you get results. Otherwise you're just moaning all the way to the bank.

Original Tony

What do you expect from a guy that got his A-levels in a lucky packet??

stanley Jerusalem

David Lynn- Wikipedia doesn't get everything right. The British participation in what was essentially acts of anti-semitism does not date from the post-war 1945 - 8 period but considerably predates that. In the 1930's the British possessed a vocal minority known as the British Unionist Party otherwise known as the Blackshirts or fascists who espoused Mr Hitler's policies and were led by our very own Max Mosley's father the late and utterly unlamented Sir Oswald Mosley. This creature strutted his stuff before his vile followers invariably in heavily populated Jewish areas of East London [ I was there].He had to be accommodated in Parkhurst Prison I.o.W. for the duration of the war. After 1945 he emerged refreshed to take up his bully-boy's cudgel until he was finally forced into exile at the end of the 40's.
Vast numbers of Brits followed his banner before the War and were among those who supported appeasement of the Nazis at best or Hitler entirely. Before the horrors of Belsen and Aushwitz were revealed it was quite common for Brits to be openly anti-semitic. One great poet was described by a sympathiser answering a charge of anti-semitism against him as not being more anti-semitic than absolutely necessary. This feeling bridged the class divides and in some places in the UK does so to this day.Especially among the landed gentry and the manual working classes. It was virtually the only thing that ever 'united' them.
One of my more pleasant recollections was to be at the 50th anniversary celebration of the end of the War in 1995.
H.M. The Queen stood with leaders of the World on a saluting dais in Hyde Park Among others alongside her were the Crown Prince of Luxembourg and the President of the State of Israel both in their own uniforms of Wing Commanders of the Royal Air Force in which they had served 1939-45.I didn't see the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem there.

Dave M

Come on, folks, there's a difference between Miliband and Obama. Obama apparently believes in the death penalty and has even been talking about hitting the Taliban on the borders of Pakistan if need be. This is not Miliband wishy-washy speak. I know a few fairly conservative Americans who voted for Obama in order to simply give him a chance. If he doesn't deliver he won't be re-elected. The real damage to Britain took place over three terms of New Labour but we could have saved ourselves far sooner by kicking them out. It seemed obvious to me New Labour was a washout after the first term.

An Indian

Every now and then Brits love doing the "empire" thing on India even if its just plain vain in today's day and age when half their economy is owned by Indians. Someday in the near future Britons will surrender to Islam and bow down to Sharia. Pakistan, they so admire, will be their future masters.

Yehuda

David Lynn, it was from 1939 onwards that the British shut the gates of the only spot on the globe that was willing to admit Jewish refugees from Nazism, namely The Land of Israel. In doing so, the British were de facto complicit in the Holocaust of one-third of the Jewish People, including one and a half million children.
Britain fought valiantly but not for or on behalf of the Jews.

An American

Gary O,
I haven't looked into whether the US sells planes and weapons to India. But I can't believe it is as one-sided as you suggest. I believe we have good relations with India and very tenuous relations with Pakistan. The US continues to ignore Pakistan and kill Osama's terrorists with our drones on the Pakistan, Afghan border.

An Indian,
What is you take on this?

Greg

pm317 ... there is an American Melanie Philips.

He's called Dennis Prager, and he has a radio show and a column on Townhall.com.

(I podcast his show so I can listen to it in the UK)

Adam B.

An Indian, well said! I remember Robin Cook (another one who always attacked Israel) condescendingly telling India that he would "solve" Kashmir for them. How embarassing! Sometimes the British government forgets that it is no longer ruling India or Israel.

Adam B.

An American, I believe that traditionally India receives weapons from Russia, France and the UK, (and has a domestic industry) whilst Pakistan is mostly supplied by the US, and to some extent China.

KM

Herbert, Gloomy but true. I call it how I see it....still its sickening.

An American

Adam B.
Thank you for the info. I am always amazed how knowledgeable Melanie's bloggers are.

Harrietta Macaroni,
Tell me where...my husband and I have actually talked about leaving the US, if it goes the way we expect it to...but where? Mexico is failing and will soon be Communist as will most, if not all of South America soon. The UK and Europe are socialist. Australia is becoming tainted. I don't want to live on a small island...too much like living imprisoned. India is still a democracy, but I'm not sure I could stand to see the poverty every day... Give me a hint...where?

That's what's so sad. America was one of the last countries on earth that wasn't tainted by socialism or communism. We still have our freedoms but I believe that will be shut down fairly soon under Obama's administration. Obama simply can't stand to have anyone that doesn't agree with him or stands in his way of socializing the US.

We have posters and tee-shirts here that say 'Obey' with Obama's face...some of us actually understand what that means.

The first freedom we may lose may be freedom of speech. Obama and the Democratic Congress intend to shut down conservative radio and TV...my own NM Senator said he backed it...they intend to set up community boards (chosen by ruling Democrats) that will decide what local radio stations should have on their programs....it's coming.

But...I don't believe that Americans will go along peacefully like sheep to the slaughter...I believe Obama and his henchmen will have a fight on their hands...more than they are capable of understanding.

pm317

Greg, thanks. Checked the site townhall.com -- it is a bit too right wing for me. But of course, many of us watched Fox during the primary (and GE) because they were the only ones vetting Obama, everyone else was behaving like Obama's lapdog.

pm317

An American, Bush's Pakistan policy sucked. He blindly threw billions at them most of which ended up in the hands Pakistan's army and ISI and then some of it went of course, to all the terror groups including LeT which is responsible for the Mumbai attack. Pakistan's NW frontier is a mess with resurgent Taliban and Al Queda.

An Indian

An American

India receives very few (if any) US weaponry. Some years ago the Indian airforce British-Hawk Adv jet trainer deal and upgradation of Indian Navy Sea Harriers got stalled due to the fact that those companies got owned by US and in some cases a the on board equipments were of American origin. And each of those components had to be painstakingly repalced by alternative parts from other sources. Even though realtions have improved the US is still not seen as a reliable source for weaponry. Only recently India purchased the USS Trenton which is so far the biggest Indo-US defense deal but nohing compared to the India-Russia or India-Israel deals involving several billions of dollars.

An Indian

An American

India receives very few (if any) US weaponry. Some years ago the Indian airforce British-Hawk Adv jet trainer deal and upgradation of Indian Navy Sea Harriers got stalled due to the fact that those companies got owned by US and in some cases a the on board equipments were of American origin. And each of those components had to be painstakingly repalced by alternative parts from other sources. Even though realtions have improved the US is still not seen as a reliable source for weaponry. Only recently India purchased the USS Trenton which is so far the biggest Indo-US defense deal but nothing compared to the India-Russia or India-Israel deals involving several billions of dollars.

An American

PM317
It is quite clear that Bush's policy didn't work in Pakistan. But, what can you do when a country is so completely, politically corrupt as Pakistan?

Apparently, Bush felt we needed to be involved to help Pakistan contain their militant Islamic fanatics from taking over Pakistan and spreading their jihad to undermine
surrounding countries.

I sometimes wonder if the lives of our young soldiers and the tremendous amount of money our goverment spends on these countries is worth the effort.

During Obama's campaign for the presidency, he said he would be willing to invade Pakistan to find Osama and destroy al Qaida.

Today, there was a US drone attack searching out militants with resulting riots happening in Pakistan afterward.

Obama is all about symbols, not actual victory...killing Osama would mean victory to him...politically. He is a complete, consumate politican after all.

An Indian,
Thank you for your information...I learn something new every day.

Is there bad feelings toward the US from Indian citizens?

I believe if we took a US survey on how India and Pakistan were perceived...India would come out much better.

Pakistan is viewed as a troubled, corrupt country while India is viewed as a upcoming, promising country.