The Telegraph becomes an ISM mouthpiece

Tamara

Tim Butcher's coverage throughout was biased and total disgrace.

an ex-apprentice

The only thing I find surprising, Melanie, is the fact that you are surprised.
I took the Telegraph for 25 years, I stopped in disgust some years ago.

By the way, this one-word-to-a-line layout may be your techno-geeks idea of a wet dream, for the rest of us it's a pain!
Have a word, would you?

Dave

I believe far fewer children than have been claimed to date were maimed during the Israeli offensive. But when will we see the BBC acknowledge this?
Dhimmis ALL!

desparate

is anyone really that suprised anymore

Vision Aforethought

M: The DT is no longer a true newspaper, but a viewspaper. It, like most of the media, is simply a melange of blogs, links and (naive) opinions. There is no longer any journalistic integrety or desire to dig deep and research 'the story' to uncover the truth. Hence, your blog is here to set the record straight and provide a beacon of common sense and exposure. Something that is vital in order to provide those of us who 'care' and get it a semblance of hope.

Keep it up, or help G-d help us all.

Adam B.

That's the last time I buy the Telegraph. If their natural readership begins deserting them it won't be replaced.

Wagner

Maybe if Israel allowed accredited journalists into Gaza there would have been more sympathetic on-the-ground reporting. As it was the story had to be covered somehow and I'm sure you could find the IDF side all over the pages of the Telegraph.

Miv Tucker

The Telegraph used to be such a principled supporter of Israel, but its coverage of the Lebanon crisis a couple of years ago was disgraceful. I had been a DT reader for at least two decades, but I stopped reading it then, and have never since returned.

Herbert Thornton

Over the past year or so, the Telegraph has metamorphosed from being a wet version of conservative to something that is beginning to resemble the BBC.

And speaking of the BBC, the laugh of the week must be this headline that appeared a few minutes ago on the BBC web site -
"The BBC has defended a decision not to air a TV fund-raising appeal for Gaza, saying it wanted to avoid compromising public confidence in its impartiality."

Dixon

The rot set in nwhen they stopped publishing Mark Steyns columns.

I haven't so much as looked at the front page in passing, for years.

The irony is that many still think of it as the "Tory-graph".

Wilhelm

How many Channel 4 news readers does it take to change a light bulb ?

Dont know, they are too busy gushing over Barak O'bimbo and Hamas.

Not funny but truthful.

New Brunswick Barry

What has it come to when the only major daily newspaper in Britain that even pretends to take a conservative point of view relies on such propagandists as "objective journalists"? As a British immigrant to Canada (and now, thankfully, a Canadian citizen), the attitudes of my former countrymen continue to sicken me. I used to love the Britain I knew as a child, the Britain of my parents' generation. I no longer know the place. And so goes the rest of western Europe, apparently, to judge by the insanity now prevailing in the Netherlands. Evidently, the title of Low Countries now describes not just their geographical flatness but their abject prostration before barbarism as well. One can only hope the Atlantic Ocean is a sufficient barrier to protect us over here.

Lizzy

Whatever the MSM think they are doing, you can't call it journalism anymore.

Andre

I take the Telegraph but grow increasingly fed up with it. The Times provided more balanced coverage over Gaza - although admittedly not by much. I read the Jerusalem Post on line and Fox News. What has happened to the British media - I would read the Mail but for its pseudo-porn articles.

Neil Turner

Melanie is spot on to highlight this

I have read the DT for 20 years now. During this time they have always shown partiality against Israel

Who can remember the stewardship of Anton La Guardia, and his vitriol and spite ?

Of more concern, I was a regular blogger on their website. I frequently had pieces published. However, over the last few months, nothing.

Incidently, the same comments apply to the Times

My tone hasn't changed. I haven't been rude or abusive. I have questioned Tim Butcher's bias though

Are we seeing a suppression of those who support Israel ?

Am I paranoid or what ?!

La Cumparsita

Civilians shelled in 'safe zone'

What no outcry? Where are all the newspaper articles with "disproportionate" allegations? The interviews with victims? etc etc

Nothing much in the media because it is nothing to do with Israel......

Published Date: 23 January 2009
THE Sri Lankan military shelled a hospital and a village inside a government-declared "safe zone" for displaced families yesterday, killing at least 30 civilians, health officials said.
The assault was the deadliest on civilians in two years. Hundreds of thousands of refugees are reportedly trapped in the war zone as the military closes in on Tamil rebels' last stronghold.

http://news.scotsman.com/world/Civilians-shelled--in-.4906334.jp

As for the "child casualties" in Gaza - CAMERA has done an interesting analysis. Many of these "children" were youths aged 15 - 17. The report states "Since Palestinian terror groups are known to have used teenagers from this age category to carry out suicide bombings, it is not unreasonable to suspect that a number of these teenage fatalities resulted from them having participated in combat."
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=118&x_article=1603

La Cumparsita

Also, even Tim Al Butcher admitted "One thing was clear. Gaza City 2009 is not Stalingrad 1944. There had been no carpet bombing of large areas, no firebombing of complete suburbs. Targets had been selected and then hit, often several times, but almost always with precision munitions. Buildings nearby had been damaged and there had been some clear mistakes, like the firebombing of the UN aid headquarters. But, in most the cases, I saw the primary target had borne the brunt." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/4300408/Gaza-has-been-hit-hard-but-has-it-made-any-difference.html

Stephen Rothbart

It was the same with Dr. Mads Gilbert, a doctor in the hospitals of Gaza who was interviewed by the BBC, Sky and CNN without once anyone pointing out his credentials as a man who praised the al Qaeda attacks on the Twin Towers, and whose Norwegian medical group is affiliated with some extreme Islamic organizations. But let not a good story get in the way of the facts!

Stephen Rothbart

It was the same with Dr. Mads Gilbert, a doctor in the hospitals of Gaza who was interviewed by the BBC, Sky and CNN without once anyone pointing out his credentials as a man who praised the al Qaeda attacks on the Twin Towers, and whose Norwegian medical group is affiliated with some extreme Islamic organizations. But let not a good story get in the way of the facts!

Gary o

Why doesn't Israel release a footage of its own showing rockets being fired from the UN building or mosques or residential areas in Gaza. Why doesn't it take some of these "journalists" on missions in Gaza where they are shown the lengths the IDF goes to avoid civilian casualties. Why can't they show soldiers dropping leaflets warning Gazans of imminent attack?
Israelis are smart and courageous people; why not send in secret service people in Gaza and film Hamas killing its own people or how they brainwash their kids into hating Jews and non-believers.
There is so much Israel can do to counter the Hamas propaganda, but it just doesn't.
I remember the story of someone bombing the beach in Gaza killing some civilians and immediately Israel accepted that it may have been them - turned out it was Hamas, but by that time the damage was done and Israelis were again shown as brutal and callous people.
C'mon guys, get your PR sorted, and quick!

oliver

Why, I remember Ewa Jasiewicz writing a piece in the (awful) NUJ magazine, breathlessly describing her task as an 'activist-journalist' - a new breed, apparently.

This caused some consternation as clearly, it threatens the very foundation of journalism. It would be like employing the PR of Gucci to write about luxury goods.

So, she is a self-confessed advocate. It seems bizarre but sadly not completely unexpected that the newspaper known for Bill Deedes published this stuff.

Mind you, the Telegraph foreign desk is probably edited by a 21 year old work experience person by now...

N. Simon

The ISM was formally known as the PSM Palestine Solidarity Movement. A front for terror enablers.

Alcuin

The Telegraph today carries an Italian report that Gazan casualties have been exaggerated by a factor of two, and that most casualties were young men forced into the fight by Hamas. Some contrition for their inept or craven (take your pick) behaviour perhaps?

It can be no coincidence that this report comes from an Italian source. Such was the only MSM TV report of the horrific Ramallah lynching, and the Italians have been persona non grata in Palestine ever since. But the rest of the hackosphere are war junkies, and the thought of their being shut out of the best show in town by actually reporting the truth is too much for them. That is why for those of us who want the whole truth, most of the trustworthy sources are Jewish - this, for example.

Hartington-Smythe

Interesting outbreak of truth telling by the IDF about the deployment of white phosphorous in Gaza during the past 24 hours.

No apology for the three week denial that this had occurred or the drip feed of misinformation to the useful idiots of the Melamaniac chorus

I'm sure the IDF's internal inquiry will rapidly yield the true culprits

EDDIE

The Telegraph used to be a breath of fresh air within the foetid environment of our `'Free" Press. Unfortunately it was taken over and things changed. If you want real power, buy a newspaper

Carl

Could you remind us how often Israel lied about the use of white phosphorous?

Original Tony

I read yesterday that an Italian journalist has confirmed that there are still empty beds in Gazan hospitals, which flies in the face of injured being turned away because there is no room for them, nor medical supplies.
Oh dear, just as the peace-loving people of Rhodesia, both black and white, were unable to convince the media that Mugabe was a thug, so too is Israel unable to sway the world's media in its favour. This is Hamas's real strength, they know how to lie to get sympathy, whereas the generous and honest Israelis are pushed to the side.
Anyway, who cares? As a Christian who has studied the Bible for decades, I know that Israel is unmovable and every empire that has tried to defeat her has come crashing down.
America's reward for turning their back on Israel (under Obama) will be socialisation that destroys the American dream, promoting lazy and unemployable people.Israel (the nation of)cannot be mocked because they are people chosen by God for a purpose in history. May all who read this come to know the truth one day.

Dee Ranged

Shame on the Telegraph

culturewatcher

There is so little worth reading in the Telegraph these days that we stopped buying it months ago. If you want the Daily Mail, buy the real thing, rather than a secondrate copy of it.

Pip

I haven't bought my usual The Telegraph for a few weeks now because of this carp. Still on a boycott and will stay so indefinitely.
Their loss.

David Guy

The reality is that there are NO neutral outsiders in GAZA. Either they are activists like Ms. Jasiewicz, Dr. Mads Gilbert or Hatem Shurrab (19 articles for the BBC) or they have long compromised with Hamas to be allowed to stay in Gaza and alive.

Ros Morris

I've noticed of late how biased Tim Butcher's reporting has become. I'm surprised that The Telegraph, once balanced, has succumbed to this British malaise. The apotheosis of this was his 'report' yesterday of 'Israeli graffiti' left behind on a wall in Gaza. Nothing left for the journalists now, is there? Pathetic.

Grumpy the Real

Honest Reporting is currently highlighting an article, in which the Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera is reporting that a doctor at Shifa hospital in Gaza is stating that 'Hamas has intentionally inflated the number of casualties' and that 'the number stands at no more than 500/600' and furthermore 'most of them are youths aged between 17 and 23, who were recruited to the ranks of Hamas, WHO SENT THEM TO THE SLAUGHTER'

Wonder what BS they've fed to the willing (is that her pic!!) miss(taken) girlie regarding this unravelling lie.

Finally just a thought - who pays these trolls at the Intl' Solidarity Movement'.
Follow the money - thats what they,ve been doing in the States, and its amazing who's implicated ie Holy Land Fndtn., for one.

Burt K

What really aggravates me is that the pro-terrorist lot is always citing 'international law' without actually mentioning the statutes. If anyone bothers to read the Geneva Conventions they will find that Israel has done everything by the book. So the Hamas bunch should be challenged in the media, and this includes the likes of Galloway, Benn, et al.

John B

Like ex-apprentice, I too gave up the Telegraph in disgust. In my case, at the unbelievably biased coverage of the recent American Presidential election. They abandoned any semblance of impartiality or even civility, particularly towards Sarah Palin.
Anyhow, thank you once again Melanie for highlighting their bias.

fran

Tim Butcher made some alarming allegations about the behaviour of Israeli troops in the village of Zeitun during the recent conflict.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/4290553/Gaza-Palestinian-family-mourns-48-dead.html

It's only right and proper that such allegations be investigated thoroughly; but his tone made it clear that he was prepared to believe any story about IDF troops. Has the IDF or any other journalist made any reponse to the allegations of racism and indiscriminate killing in Zeitun?

Daibhidh MacAdhaimh

I'm not surprised that the Telegraph has gone this way. It only takes a drop of ink to darken the clear water of a small pool. Such is also the darkening impact that one drop of infectious liberalism has upon the ever decreasing pool of journalistic integrity. Rational, honest reporting is being steadily drained. A murky media stank is all that will remain.
Think I'll go and fix myself a wee dram.

Kerry

One solution to all this is to stop buying the papers that show a biass. Get your news here instead.

Joe the patriot

This means that there is now nowhere in either the print or mainstream broadcast media, that balanced coverage can be found - except here.

Have we all had ENOUGH of the hypocrisies of our political and journalist class yet?

Miv Tucker

Like the Ex-Apprentice, I'd been a DT reader for decades, but gave up - permanently - in disgust at their coverage of the Lebanon conflict a couple of years ago.

Norm

Hoe ironic to see the mural painted on a wall in Belfast accusing Israel of war crimes. This from the same people who thought nothing of blowing up their own children with booby trap bombs.

Simon

Kerry, that genuinely made me laugh out loud. Do you honestly think Melanie Phillips' blog is a source of balanced, un-biased news?

stanley Jerusalem

Norm
January 23rd, 2009 11:32am

During the First Lebanon War the Telegraph reprinted a picture featured in the previous day's Grauniad showing a hospital in Beirut with its walls blown out and beds apparently hanging by a thread. The heading had been "Israeli Aggression" The Telegraph had also reprinted in an inset the same pic. headed "PLO damages Beirut Hospital" taken from the Grauniad a few years previously.They also printed a clip from the Telegraph from 100 years before with a headline "Sunnis massacre 35,000 Shiites in Near East Internecine Rivalry."
That was indeed then but the Telegraph has new owners today.
Sic transit gloria mundi!

stanley Jerusalem

Norm
January 23rd, 2009 11:32am

Hoe ironic to see the mural painted on a wall in Belfast accusing Israel of war crimes. This from the same people who thought nothing of blowing up their own children with booby trap bombs.

I have the courage of my convictions

You are stubborn

HE is a barbarian.

Augustus

Accusing Israel of using white phosphorous is nothing new under the sun (Carl please note)
NGOs like Human Rights Watch enjoy an almost holy status by the MSM, a position they ruthlessly take advantage of to paint Israel as evil. The use of phosphorous was used only to show up targets or create smoke curtains, and there is no proof whatsoever that its use by Israel was for questionable purposes, such as the burning of buildings or for expressly targeting civilians.

Phosphorous was, however, used in the conflict by Hamas, who fired mortar grenades at Israel containing white phosphorous. The potential dangers in using such rocket weapons are enormous, far worse than Kassam rockets and ordinary mortars. That was the kind of escalation which Hamas particularly aimed at Israeli citizens.

Glenn Hysen

Maybe if Israel hadnt prevented journalists from being in Gaza, flying against a ruling from its own Supreme Court, so they could report the facts as they see them, rather than rely on second hand stats, Ms Phillips wouldnt have to write those articles.

Although I think its fairly obvious as to why Israel didnt want reporters in Gaza in the last month or so isnt it....

Jacqueline

Do people like Tim Butcher and Jeremy Bowen really believe what they say? This by J.Bowen on last night's BBC news. The Palestinians are re-building the tunnels (shots of many many tent covered tunnels) but they are for the sole use of smuggling in food and other non military items that have been impossible to find since Gaza was sealed off. Immediately afterwards a report showing more wailing women who had been shot at by the IDF and an accusation that the IDF had deliberately shot a child in between the eyes. No mention that this was as yet unconfirmed. What is this, why this impartial love of Hamas and its supporters?

Dixon

I see Carl is up to form, saying Israel "lied" about phosphorous.

Israel never denied using it even once. Funny idea of what constitutes a "lie". Do you lie about Hamas using phosphorous in attacks on Israeli schools Carl?
Come to that, do you deny the Hamas charter exists Carl?

And I suppose you think the Moon landings were faked and the 9'11 attacks were an inside job. Come on Carl, give us some amusement.

Meanwhile, regarding the Telegraph, I would compare it to our "losing" Radio 3. Once the single really good product of the BBC. Then it was turned into a bloody pop-music channel complete with waffling air-heads.

I stopped listening to it about 91.

Dixon

Actually, it's all a lot like that newspaper which was telling bus in a front page exclusive a few weeks ago that a flying saucer had knocked a blade off a wind turbine...with an eyewitness to "prove" it.

Except there was actually more evidence for the flying saucer than most of what is reported regarding the evil antics of the IDF!

ed

Augustus
IDF have launched an investigation to their credit to answer these concerns.
perhaps wait for the investigation to report before proclaiming
"no evidence whatsoever that is was used questionabiliy"
Does the face that HAMAS used it make the fact that the IDF MAY (I SAY MAY) have used it right?

Fran

To judge from his reports, Tim Butcher seems only too ready to believe any allegation made against Israelis by Palestinians. However, he reported on alleged atrocities committed by IDF soldiers in Zeitun for which the UN is considering indicting Israel for war crimes.

Is anyone aware of an Israeli response to these allegations?

Note to Moderators

I'm concerned that comments I've posted have not appeared on this blog, although they are not personal insults, racist or defamatory. Have I been banned? If so, why?

Original Tony

Fran...don't panic or feel victimized, only about two thirds of my posts get published. I don't think the moderator is boycotting anyone, it's just the way it goes. Keep trying and make sure your comment has been posted and accepted before exiting the blog. This applies to all who think they are being victimized.

Laura

Wagner, you say: "Maybe if Israel allowed accredited journalists into Gaza there would have been more sympathetic on-the-ground reporting."

Maybe if the media stopped handing the co-ordinates of the Israeli army's whereabouts to Hamas, which they have done repeatedly, then there wouldn't have needed to be a ban on journalists in Gaza.

If the anti-Israel sections in the media hadn't made themselves the key players in this issue, they wouldn't have the contempt so many now have for them.

Winston Smith

I think a few of the regulars will remember a previous post on the Telegraph I posted here a couple of weeks back. However, for those who didn't it was along the line of.....

I remember about a year or so ago, the Daily telegraph used to have a comment section on EVERY article. Moreso, as soon as one posted on it, it came up almost automatically. This was a vibrant comment section and incidentally the comments, being Telegraph readers, were adult and respectable posts with minimal, of not zero use of expletives. One day there was an article on the Government. This one article got so many angry replies, attacking the government for its destruction of Britain. At last count there were over 140 replies, 99% of them anti government. However this is when I noticed something I never ever thought I'd see; the comments were all deleted and started again! There was an uproar. People wrote in again asking where their previous comments had disappeared to. Of course, there was no apology from the DT. The Libertarian Alliance then wrote an article on it, posting a reply I had made to the DT asking them what had happened to the 142 comments that had now disappeared?
This was when I noticed a downslide in the Telegraph. The comment section was now drastically reduced to around 5% of articles. The comment sections are now heavily moderated and anything anti government, or generally angry seem to be removed. They also tend to immediately remove any comments from BNP supporters. They obviously got their fingers wrapped from Nulabour and told to toe the line. Since this time, we are also seeing more articles from journalists who write for the Independent and the Guardian. This unfortuately made me stop reading the DT. I used to read the Guardian when I was young, ignorant and naive. However I grew older and wiser and moved to the DT. If I wanted to read Left Wing journalists I'd have continued reading the Guardian!

The Daily Telegraph is now shifting its place in the Political Spectrum. It is now moving from the right to the centre to join its political party, the Social Democratic Party under David Cameron. That is very sad. It used to produce excellent articles and there are still excellent journalists who write for them, however, it no longer is Conservative newspaper, very possibly because Conservatism in Britain no longer exists.

Stephen Rothbart

Glen there is possibly another reason that Israel did not want reporters inside Gaza which is not so sinister as you might wish. The Israeli operation needed to be carried out in secrecy and by surpise. Would it therefore surprise Glen that journalists camped outside Gaza just before the invasion by ground troops reported to their live networks that troops were on the move.

Such actions could have endangered the troops'lives.

Irresponsible journalism like that spoils it for the others, but it's hardlt censorship protecting evil deeds.

phil

Augustus is that a known fact ?as it could easily be why we have seen those horrible pictures and reports of burns -no sensible person would put it past hamas to have damaged their own like this -and I am sure the Israelis never did it on purpose even if it was their ordinance .the last sentence gives carl a chance for a riposte so bring it on carl -we need a smile in these dark days .

phil

I say -
Hartington-Smythe

it could conclude its you wot done it -gazooks

Kevin

On a similar note, have any other "Spectator" readers attempted to post comments on Peter Hitchens' "Mail" blog? I find that, when I reach the point of challenging Mr. Hitchens' perception of himself as a moral person, my comments either fail to pass moderation or are edited down to a single, peripheral sentence.

The relevance to this topic is that, upon Olmert's withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza, Mr. Hitchens took a cheap shot at Israel's defenders by effectively suggesting that the attack on Hamas had been murderous in its futility, and that Israel's reputation had, as a consequence, been (further) tarnished. I replied (following on from comments of mine that had previously been published) that Mr. Hitchens could not absolve himself of his own responsibility for tarnishing Israel's international image to the extent that its leadership lacked the conviction to finish a necessary job.

I have twice compared Mr. Hitchens supposedly well-intentioned attitude to Israel to Romeo's intervention between (his friend) Mercutio and Tybalt, but for some reason this analogy has failed to pass moderation, as have my other comments to the effect that, while private citizens have the freedom to turn the other cheek to violence directed at them, governments have a duty not to turn a blind eye to attacks on their people.

Straydingo

Hartington-Smythe,

The truth will set you free:

http://tinyurl.com/allxnd

I would welcome your comments after viewing this link.

KateA

Norm: "Hoe ironic to see the mural painted on a wall in Belfast accusing Israel of war crimes. This from the same people who thought nothing of blowing up their own children with booby trap bombs."

That is nothing 'new'. Roman Catholics in Belfast have long been anti-Israel. Throughout the 30 year war or euphemistic 'Troubles', RC areas were decked with Palestinian flags. IRA supporters wore the chequered scarf in support of Arafat.

Northern Irish Protestants have always supported Israel. Loyalist areas were bedecked with Israeli flags. Integrated middle-class areas with a Protestant majority sprouted Israeli flags at election-time.

Something to do with the fact that all Protestant denominations were taught the history of the Kingdom of Israel in Sunday school. Taught that the Jews are the 'Lord's Chosen People'. I remember well, tracing the exile on maps at the back of our bibles.

The REAL irony is that the government of the Rep of Ireland is pro-Palestinian, TDs making public statements deploring the war and some calling for a boycott of Israeli goods.

One listens and hangs one's head in shame. These are people who have brought a thriving economy to its knees through sheer incompetence.

Ireland exports $344 million worth of products to Israel. The Irish banks and government are under siege; each week brings huge increases in unemployment figures BUT several Israeli-owned companies are still in place. They produce Medical devices, Software & Communications products and EMPLOY Irish workers.

Did somebody up-thread mention shooting oneself in the foot? I fear the incompetent government of this Banana Republic are doing just that.

Needless to say, there are NO Palestinian or indeed Arab companies in Ireland; exports to Palestine? No records of any.

But, among ordinary people, there is genuine bafflement as the newly arrived Muslim immigrants articulate their requirements.

It started at Christmas with Cribs in public places; this week the Tabernacle was removed from a hospice prayer chapel - in "the interest of multi-cultural harmony"; last week ONE family was on every media outlet demanding their daughters be allowed to wear hijabs or burkas - as they choose. Department of Education went into flat spin. No decision - yet. The leading Imam of Ireland - HOLY Moses who could have foreseen the day -has pronounced on democracy.
Basically, all wrapped-up in Orwellian Ministry of Truth narrative, what he was really saying is: It's demographics stupid!

On the positive side, radio programmes on current affairs cater for listeners' opinion. The response to all this from ordinary Irish people is outrage. Huge numbers of callers, texts and emails.

'Was it for this the wild geese spread the grey wing on every tide ..............
For this that all that blood was shed?
For this Edward Fitzgerald died
And Robert Emmett and Wolfe Tone?
All that delirium of the Brave.......'
(WB Yeats)

Fran

Original Tony

I'm surprised the moderator published that bit of my post - it was a genuine enquiry after several 'failed' posts!

Thanks for your encouragement - perhaps I was wrong to take the 'your comment will not appear straight away' at face value - but it didn't appear for some time after writing although others had ..

Never mind eh - my query's been answered!

Carl

Dixon, here is an IDF LIAR for you:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0114/p07s01-wome.html

Andrew Williams

Kevin (January 23rd, 2009 7:02pm) complains of conspiracy to censor his comments over at Peter Hitchen's blog. The Mail and Peter Hitchens have both apologised for website problems that have effected comment posts sometimes deleting entire entries. Of course, Kevin may be right and it might be a cunning ploy to silence his arguments, I lean more to the cock-up than the conspiracy theory of life, myself.

phil

carl you are at it again is this the mads gilbert, fanatical PALESTINIAN APOLOGIST WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ?he was exposed on an earlier thread by a Norwegian !!----------------------------------------Norwegian "doctor Mads Gilbert, who worked in Gaza's main Shifa hospital during the first weeks of the conflict, and who spoke to media in Egypt and Norway in recent days, is the main source for allegations of DIME use.""---------IF YOU COULD ONLY FIND SOMETHING TRUE TO EXPOSE IT WOULD BE A CHANCE TO IMPROVE YOUR CREDIBILITY--meanwhile back at this ranch .you are seen as demented and a twister of truth .

phil

FRAN if you feel you have been moderated you can always email Pete Hoskin to find out what is the offending matter and maybe it could be edited -I am always careful when addressing carl :)

Edward in the USA

Carl, your cite of the csmonitor which quotes the Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert, "solidarity worker and a member of the socialist party Red" for the truth is happily self-defeating.

When asked [Mads Gilbert] if he supported a terrorist attack against the US he answered: "Terror is a poor weapon, but my answer is yes".

Carl

phil, I know this is difficult for to comprehend, but the article quotes the IDF Chief of Staff denying that white phosphorous was being used which the IDF has subsequently admitted after being exposed by the Times. In other words, he lied, he is a liar. In a proper Army, he would face a court martial.

Kevin

Andrew Williams,

You are more than welcome to copy my comments here and try posting them on Peter Hitchens' blog. That might be an appropriate test.

Kevin

And FYI, AW, I have previously submitted a comment to Mr. Hitchens' blog in which I informed other posters of the following points:
1) I was trying to reply to their comments but
2) my reply was not being published; and
3) perhaps it would be easier to continue the debate on another site.

This comment was published on Mr. Hitchens' blog, minus points 2 and 3.

Haroon

"I believe far fewer children than have been claimed to date were maimed during the Israeli offensive. But when will we see the BBC acknowledge this?"

Sure, thats supposed to be ok, "far fewer than claimed". Just How many maimed palestinian childresn are acceptable to your sensibilities?

Just shows how morally disgraceful the Israeli apologists have become, or rather have alwas been.....