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Power and amnesia at the White House

Saturday, 31st January 2009

 


During the US Presidential election campaign I reported that Samantha Power, a very close friend and adviser of Obama's whom he nevertheless fired for calling Hillary a ‘monster’, said she still expected to be in Obama’s administration. Power has advocated the ending of all aid to Israel and redirecting it to the Palestinians. She has also spoken about the need to land a ‘mammoth force’ of US troops in Israel to protect the Palestinians from Israeli attempts at genocide (sic) -- and has complained that criticism of Barack Obama all too often came down to what was ‘good for the Jews’.

If such a person were to be given a place in the administration this would be a pretty good indicator of just where Obama actually stands in the fight to defend civilisation.

Subsequently, I reported that Power was returned to grace by being given a lowly position on Obama’s transition team advising on matters relating to the State Department. And now AP has reported that -- guess what -- she is to be given a senior policy job at the White House:
Officials familiar with the decision say Obama has tapped Power to be senior director for multilateral affairs at the National Security Council, a job that will require close contact and potential travel with Clinton, who is now secretary of state. NSC staffers often accompany the secretary of state on foreign trips.
Meanwhile Charles Krauthammer eviscerates Obama over the most astonishing part of his grovelling interview on al Arabiya, in which he talked of the need to restore
the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago.
Many of us fell off our chairs at that point. As Krauthammer writes:
In these most recent 20 years — the alleged winter of our disrespect of the Islamic world — America did not just respect Muslims, it bled for them. It engaged in five military campaigns, every one of which involved — and resulted in — the liberation of a Muslim people: Bosnia, Kosovo, Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq. The two Balkan interventions — as well as the failed 1992-93 Somalia intervention to feed starving African Muslims (43 Americans were killed) — were humanitarian exercises of the highest order, there being no significant U.S. strategic interest at stake. In these 20 years, this nation has done more for suffering and oppressed Muslims than any nation, Muslim or non-Muslim, anywhere on Earth. Why are we apologizing?

And what of that happy U.S.- Muslim relationship that Obama imagines existed 'as recently as 20 or 30 years ago' that he has now come to restore? Thirty years ago, 1979, saw the greatest U.S.- Muslim rupture in our 233-year history: Iran's radical Islamic revolution, the seizure of the U.S. Embassy, the 14 months of America held hostage. Which came just a few years after the Arab oil embargo that sent the United States into a long and punishing recession. Which, in turn, was preceded by the kidnapping and cold-blooded execution by Arab terrorists of the U.S. ambassador in Sudan and his chargé d'affaires. This is to say nothing of the Marine barracks massacre of 1983, and the innumerable attacks on U.S. embassies and installations around the world during what Obama now characterizes as the halcyon days of U.S.Islamic relations.

No wonder the Iranians are jubilant.

 
 

 


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Disappointed with the Spec

January 31st, 2009 10:02pm

Have you read Powers's pulitzer prize winning book? I doubt it. Do so, and then try sticking to commenting on things you have a modicum of understanding about.

marsouin

January 31st, 2009 10:26pm

Three weeks before the election, Obama stood in front of an enthusiastic, cheering crowd and told them he offered "the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth." This is the classic totalitarian slogan that is responsible for snuffing out the lives of over 100 innocent human beings in the 20th century. Despite the six thousand year track record that whenever the heaven is tried to be brought on Earth, it inevitably becomes Hell on Earth, Western elites remain unimpressed. The fools.

Lizzy

January 31st, 2009 10:41pm

Samantha Power is Obama's spy on Hillary Clinton.

Daibhidh MacAdhaimh

January 31st, 2009 11:13pm

In the astonishing light (barely 40 watt) of what Obama mused, how Reagan defined liberalism sprang to mind: 'They tell you things that just aren't so.'
Also, the elevation of Power to office continues the advancement of playground calibre politicians now shaping the White House first eleven, so to speak. Yup, there must be a gleeful mass rubbing of hands among hostile quarters throughout the Middle East and Iran right enough.

Bill M

February 1st, 2009 12:14am

Truly frightening.

Clinton & Powers. We may now have a two-headed monster to deal with Israel.

Another sleazy move by BO.

Brian O'Connor

February 1st, 2009 5:42am

Disappointed with the Spec wrote:

Have you read Powers's pulitzer prize winning book? I doubt it. Do so, and then try sticking to commenting on things you have a modicum of understanding about.

Why would one believe what Powers says in her carefully crafted, self-serving book, when we have the far more revealing impromptu and unguarded slips of her tongue?

sebastian

February 1st, 2009 6:22am

Never heard of Samantha Power. Don't really want to. But if Melanie's account is anywhere the truth, Power must be barmy. Loopy from the neck up. Let's just hope she's been hired to shut her mouth. After all, once the fruits of some sort of office have been tasted, it takes someone of rare principle indeed to sacrifice those luxuries for the sake of an ideal - especially if its a crass one as hers is/are. I don't think Power will be the self-sacrificial type in the end.
As far as good relationships with muslims go, Obama's clearly going to have to learn the hard way. I just hope he doesn't make too many concessions en route; they won't be reciprocated. One test of muslim good intentions would be to ask KSA to live up to the Human Right to freedom of religious belief and worship. The equivalent rights muslims enjoy - and vociferously demand - in the civilized world. We might start with a Christian or Jewish prayer room at Riyadh International airport. So, President Obama, over to you!!

Archie

February 1st, 2009 7:45am

Indeed so and truly frightening, Miss Phillips!

Conservative Cabbie

February 1st, 2009 8:28am

Disappointed

Well go on then, enlighten us. Does she think Israel is committing genocide? Does she think that U.S. forces should be used to intervene on the Palestinian's behalf? Does she advocate ending all aid to Israel? Unless any of those things are false, I do not see the point of your sniping from the sidelines. Try arguing with substance rather than the pointless "I know more than you do" line.

Conservative Cabbie

February 1st, 2009 8:30am

Charles Krauthammer is one of my favourite political pundits, he's excellent on Fox. Mind you, he does have a face for radio.

solemnman

February 1st, 2009 8:42am

Obama is doing the Erdogan two step.As his radical buddies predicted -like the basketball player he is-Obama feints right then goes ,with the inclusion of Powers, far left

Sanchez

February 1st, 2009 10:32am

Sorry Melanie, i'm not seeing the downside to Powers. Genuinely sounds like a good appointment to me!

David Sketchley

February 1st, 2009 10:46am

It really is quite sad to see this woman on another of her badly informed rants. She can now no longer even think for herself but has to defer to the criminal Krauthammer, one of the ideologues behind the illegal war of aggression on Iraq.

If what she says is true, we should truly hope and pay that Power is given a position of supreme importance in the Foreign Policy team of Obama. The gangster state of Israel must be stopped in its tracks before it leads us all to Armageddon.
http://dailysketcher.blogspot.com/2009/01/israels-gangster-state.html

Lyndon Larouche

February 1st, 2009 10:53am

Melanie: You and your loyal posters are right. Obama is once again revealing his true agenda that sees the destruction of Israel and the West. Keep up the good work finding these tidbits because no one in the media seems to care that these fifth columnists like Powers, who has also criticized the Clinton administration for its efforts to block efforts to ward off the Rwandan genocide.

sanchez

February 1st, 2009 11:02am

Daibhidh MacAdhaimh - not just in the middle east but all over the world. Europe, Latin America, Africa and even Asia. If you want to live in peace, time to rethink your foreign and domestic policies guys. Who knows, you may like it. Peace that is.

Disappointed with the Spec

February 1st, 2009 11:44am

Cabbie,

Power's extensive work on genocide and the West's role in turning a blind eye (which has focused on Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and others - not Israel). Is a much needed change. In contrast, Obama's UN ambassador, Susan Rice, refused to call Rwanda a genocide.

Yes, she may have said some stupid things about Israel, but her work on real genocide makes her an important mind in Obama's team.

Disappointed with disappointed of the spec

February 1st, 2009 12:01pm

Not really - just predictable rubbish from the Israel haters - if disappointed with the spec, why not go and read something more suited to your taste? Der Sturmer or the Guardian for example.

Miranda Rose Smith

February 1st, 2009 12:12pm

Dear Disappointed: Walter Duranty won the Pulitzer Prize.

KansasGirl

February 1st, 2009 12:15pm

I can't believe some people believe there will be peace. That is the last thing terrorists want. They want your souls. If you don't fall in line, they will kill you. Now that's peace you can depend on.

Miranda Rose Smith

February 1st, 2009 12:17pm

Dear Mr. Sketchley: If Israel, where the Prime Minister is subject to criminal prosecution, is your idea of a gangster state, will you name a country that ISN'T a gangster state?

Bob from Virginia

February 1st, 2009 12:43pm

Also read Fouad Ajami at the Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310499999722371.html
and Amir Taheri at the New York Post
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01292009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/pathetic_message_152501.htm
They both say the same thing as Krauthammer, i.e. our new messiah does not know what he is doing.
What it comes down to is that we an arrogant naive neighborhood politician in a role that is way over his head and the majority of the American public unable to see that the Emperor has no clothes. I can only hope the realization comes soon and without bloodshed.

Michael B

February 1st, 2009 1:22pm

Predictable. Samantha Power and Barack Obama exhibit very similar approaches to international power and politics, so this does not surprise in the least. Obama is a more astute politician on the domestic front, but Power is not a politician, she's more a policy wonk and wouldbe analyst. Power, as with Holdren and Browner, as with Holder as Attorney General, is an ideologue of note. But Power is a particularly bad choice as she'll play what will at least potentially be a critical role in inter-national decisions. In Washington D.C. some grey clouds are on the horizon and they are growing darker, not lighter.

This continues to reflect very poorly indeed on Obama's acumen and grounding. The tell-tale indicators are speaking ever more loudly and ever more in concert; too little of it good, too much of it reflecting Carter-like sensibilities. A Samantha Power pick is particularly striking in this vein as there is virtually no way this pick can be conceived in a positive manner. Hope I'm wrong, but I do not see it.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

February 1st, 2009 1:30pm

I like Hillary, but Samantha Power is not my cup of tea!

Charles Krauthammer what does he know?

pm317

February 1st, 2009 2:47pm

To the Obama supporters on this board, are you not offended when Obama says that America has to treat Muslims with respect? When have you not done that? Were there hate crimes committed against Muslims after 9/11? Was anything undesirable done to Muslims in the US after 9/11 in America? If you're going to bring up Iraq war, I will suggest that you look up the support Bush had when he went to war with Iraq, over 70%. May be many of you were among that. Obama as usual is redefining the problem and simplifying it to suit his favored solution -- let us all hold hands and sing kumbaya. Kind of like owning up to some new responsibility that was never yours to begin with. For the American President to say something as false as Americans treat Muslims with intolerance is mind boggling. Why would he distort it like that? (consider that a rhetorical question.)

That woman Power is a spy on Hillary Clinton. This whole thing is not going to be pretty.

phil

February 1st, 2009 2:50pm

David Sketchley cant wait until you lose your temper -are you ok old chap -
anyway nice to see "the return of sanchez" this column is often too serious .

An American

February 1st, 2009 2:58pm

This just confirms what many informed people have thought all along...

Obama doesn't have a clue.

He's ignorant and has no idea what's happened historically... even in the immediate past of the last 20 years. His followers believe that he actually knows what he's talking about.

Melanie in just one short article knows more that our President and... apparently his staff... on this subject.

Powers is a far-left loon as is Obama.

Hillary will eviserate this communist kook soon enough...not to worry.

Israel better look out for itself because the US will no longer be there to support it.

An American

February 1st, 2009 3:04pm

Dissapointed..
Receiving a Pulitzer prize means nothing now days...its just left-leaning kooks giving awards to left-leaning kooks... kind of like the Hollywood lefties giving each other awards at dozens of award shows year after year....YAWN.

An American

February 1st, 2009 3:08pm

Margaret Muller....

Charles Krauthammer is perhaps the most brilliant mind in American...that's what he knows... you dummy

An American

February 1st, 2009 3:13pm

Margaret Muller....

Charles Krauthammer is perhaps the most brilliant mind in American...that's what he knows... you dummy

Richard

February 1st, 2009 4:29pm

Samantha Power married laywer Cass Sunstein over the summer in Co. Kerry, Ireland where she grew up. Kerry let me remind you is the former constituency of Dick Spring, former leader of the Labour Party and the current constituency of former IRA commander Martin Ferris TD, a man who was once caught red-handed shipping a cargo Libyan supplied arms and the home of gombeen Jackie Healey-Rae, a man who would make a St. Patrick's Day leprauchan blush with shame at his shameless stage Oirish paddywackery.

Straydingo

February 1st, 2009 5:14pm

David Sketchley
How is one supposed to take you serious when you incorporate statements such as A) “Illegal War of Aggression on Iraq” & B) “The gangster state of Israel must be stopped in its tracks before it leads us all to Armageddon”

A)This so called illegal war has now resulted in Iraqis now having the ability to participate in democratic elections - something which was unthinkable just a mere 10 years ago - are you saying that you wish that Iraq was still a totalitarian state ruled by a leader that murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people and launched wars that killed millions?

B)You refer to Israel as a “Gangster State” so I can only assume that you believe it has no right to defend itself – the URL you included contains a rant by someone I can only assume is an Anti Semitic in which he is quoted as saying “they (Israel) ethnically cleansing Palestinians in an attempt to steal all their land and have been since 1948”
This is where I get mad as it absolutely clear that you and the author of the blog you reference have no clue about Israel or its history.

Israel’s population is approximately 7.2 (2008 estimate) of which approximately 20-25% is Muslim. Now this means there is approximately between 1.4 – 1.8m Muslims willingly living within Israel’s borders. Now you assert that Israel is “Ethnically Cleansing”...I would like for you to demonstrate factual proof of where Israel is cleansing its borders of Muslims. I would also like to point out that Gaza has not been occupied since 2005 and again I would ask that you demonstrate where Israel has been “Ethnically Cleansing”.

Finally, the fact that you linked within one post a rant that touches on Iraq and Israel for me demonstrates that this is more about an ideological view point vs. any genuine care for the civilians living in these regions – ultimately these conflicts have been rallying points for left-wingers to be able to vent their hatred at the US, Jews and Democracy in general...and in my opinion this hatred is ultimately fuelled by a deep-seated sense of self-loathing.

N

February 1st, 2009 7:09pm

I'm normally not "shocked" by what melanie write but upon reading this i was! Obama's friendship with this crazy nutbar Powers is bad, but if she does indeed have a place among his "people" we are in trouble. Aid must be sent to the Palestinians? US troops must prevent Palestinian genocide? I'm a faily understanding man, i can read, i can write, i'm what you would call "educated" but in all the intellectual power i have i cannot fathom how people can come to the conclusion that Israel protecting itself and it's borders is "genocide." It's beyond my ability to comprehend.

Also, someone commented about Powers have a Pulitzer prize book. Prizes and titles mean nothing anymore, we were made aware of that when Jimmy Carter a noble prize for middle east peace (where is his middle east?) and when Al Gore got one for his "work" on the life-or-death situation of "global warming." Prizes and titles are of little value. I suppose you think that the Emmys acknowledge "real artists" and that the MTV People's choice awards also know their "stars."

Chip

February 1st, 2009 7:31pm

Power is opposed to the genocides she doesn't support. Hamas' open call for genocide using the canonical hadith in the Hamas Charter is one she supports. She'd like to push it along by providing the muscle of US military support.

sanchez

February 1st, 2009 7:56pm

Thanks Phil, looks like the moderator only likes a certain type of comment cos i've been here all along. Just another example of this blogs bogus status.

Dave

February 1st, 2009 8:10pm

Or indeed when Tom Lehrer said political satire was obsolete after Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Sergey Baloskii

February 1st, 2009 8:11pm

An American, yes he is a clever man but that doesn't mean he knows everything, people have to say how they feel...

Edmund Onward James

February 1st, 2009 8:26pm

But this was all expected from Obama. This is his year Chinese-Year-of-the-Ox. Check his atrological make-up.

Cool Cat Obama & Leo the Lion (The Royalty Sign)
http://onwardjames.blogspot.com/2009/01/cool-cat-obama-or-lion.html

Sanchez

February 1st, 2009 8:50pm

Straydingo - interesting take on events I must say. I can't answer for Sketchely but it does strike me a little short sighted to say that Iraq is now a democratic state and that they are better off now than the totalitarian state run by Hussein and his impotent kids. Perhaps if its so democratic you'd like to go on holiday there with your family and report back with some pictures and small anecdotes? Fact is Iraq war was WRONG, forget about legal, that's just determined by who ever is in power at the time. We will see the repercussions in years to come.

Knuckle Dragging Neanderthal

February 1st, 2009 9:57pm

Per Disappointed-with-the-Spec "... Powers's (sic) pulitzer (sic) prize winning book ..." That in itself says everything I need to know about Samantha Power. Anything that wins the Pulitzer prize is either leftist, progressive, Communist, or all of the above. Her winning of the Pulitzer prize makes her rationality immediately suspect.

itlog95

February 1st, 2009 10:48pm

The fact that Michael Ignatieff was director of the Carr Center from 2000 to 2005 gives me some indication of the political slant that can be expected from the organization.
Also, until Walter Duranty's Pulitzer is withdrawn, I will have no respect for the award.

Lyndon H. LaRouche Jr.

February 1st, 2009 10:52pm

The statement to the Spectator, commenting on President Barack Obama, absolutely was not either made or authorized by me. I am of an explicitly contrary opinion to what that item intimates.

The putative author of the attempted attribution to me was either the Webster Tarpley, a long-standing outcast of my circles, for cause, or a member of the same partisanship. If, it is imitated by the author of the item that I either wrote, or authored such a statement in some way, that allegation is utterly, willfully fraudulent.

fellow traveller

February 1st, 2009 11:02pm

Neanderthal: "Anything that wins the Pulitzer prize is either leftist, progressive, Communist, or all of the above."

In which category does "The Years of Extermination: Nazi Germany and the Jews, 1939-1945 by Saul Friedländer come?" It's the 2008 nonfiction winner, as you seem to know.

I only ask because it might be of interest to many who pop in here regularly, and I don't want them to waste their time if it's written by a dirty Communist.

Or, on the other hand, you might be talking crap.

Straydingo

February 1st, 2009 11:46pm

Sanchez,

Well actually my brother in-law has been there since the start and his work as an engineer has taken him all over the country. Over the years he has provided me with a far greater insight into what has been happening over there (both the good and the bad) than what the MSM ever did. The fact is the modern day MSM is in the business of entertainment and are not really interested in the truth or the welfare of the people. They are interested in understanding the demographics of the audience and what news will get their juices flowing so that they will tune on the TV or pick up the paper on the commute to and from work.
Let me ask you a question:
Don’t you find it odd that the topic of Iraq has almost dropped off the MSM radar (Other than when there is news of a US o UK military death)? Is that because ever since the surge the conditions on the ground have been transformed?
Iraq is now moving towards becoming a democracy - I never meant to imply that it was at a point of maturity as we know here in the west- but then again I would have thought that would be an obvious fact considering its recent history.
No democracy has every not had to fight and make sacrifices for its right to exist and to secure the greatest gift all, which we take for granted here in the west, and that is freedom.
Personally, I struggle with your comments that imply the Iraqis would be better off under Saddam – have you actually ever asked a Kurdish or Shiite Iraqi if they would want to go back in time?

Edward in the USA

February 2nd, 2009 3:15am

The Nobel Peace Prize was tarnished as soon as the award was given to that Paragon of Peace, yassir arafat.

Peace certainly broke out.

Adam B.

February 2nd, 2009 10:47am

Sanchez, you may want to consider the fact that US and British troops were attacked up to ten years after the end of the war - I'm not talking about Iraq, but Germany after WWII. (This was all censored at the time). These things take time Sanchez - it's not all done and dusted in five minutes.

And sure you like Power, she is full of hatred, just like you.

sanchez

February 2nd, 2009 1:08pm

Adam, No hatred in my heart, read my posts if you are stuck on that one. Okay so it's a transition and I could accept that democracy may take hold but in the same vain it may not. I have an issue with justifying means by the end result. Ask the thousands who have lost a relative or friend in Iraq. Fact is most of you who follow Ms Littlejohn are war mongers who can only think with your gun. You see the world in black and white, you speak of Iran why? I don't see Iran as such an important issue. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are much more dangerous but as they are so called allies they are in the fold while all the while doing more for international terrorism than most. I would rather speak of solutions but most of you are unable to question the Israeli approach. You support what ever action they take and I wager it is that fact that drives most of the opposition here. Solutions, change of approach is what is needed not the continuous playground he-said-she-said that Ms LittleJohn promotes. Couple that with the amount of censorship of opinion employed by the moderator. Look at every article of hers on this site and you see a mirror image of what you guys accuse the MSM of.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

February 2nd, 2009 1:25pm

An American, thank you I may be a dummy but you dummies

Carl

February 2nd, 2009 1:55pm

Basic rule of thumb: If Melanie launches an attack on a person, it stands to reason that they must be fair minded individuals rather than unquestioning Zionist apologists.

nosmo

February 2nd, 2009 2:26pm

Ths is what an IDF veteran who served in Gaza thinks:-

Obama is the new hope of the USA and the free world - he is however confined by the same problems of his predecessor.

he can accommodate Iran - but at what cost to the prestige and deterrent factor of the USA?

he can drop israel - but see our intel and technical expertise fall into the hands of India or China and see as these countries become pre-eminent in the sale of quality weaponry cheaper than the USA

I doubt that anything will change - merely the rhetoric, perhaps delivered in another more subtle tone.
It is the duty of all leaders to attempt to bring in their adversaries from the cold - i am sure Obama will go on a fishing expedition to test the ice with Iran.

It is better to jaw than war.

Adam B.

February 2nd, 2009 2:30pm

Carl, how about writing something with substance rather than silly little meaningless snipes?

Original Tony

February 2nd, 2009 3:05pm

David Sketchley..10:46 am

"The gangster state of Israel must be stopped in its tracks before it leads us to Armeggedon."

Wow buddy, that is really rich when it is the stated doctrine of Islam to usher in their Mhadi through an apocolypse. Yes, that's right, Orthodox Muslims believe that their saviour will only appear in an apocolypse that THEY have started.
It is radical Islam that is doing all it can to start this apocoplyse so that their saviour can arrive to conquer the world for Islam and you arrogantly state that Israel is leading the world/Islam to armaggedon! You hypocrite!
The last time I looked, every single military action taken by Israel has been defensive, so who is leading who to a world conflagration?

An American

February 2nd, 2009 3:10pm

While the US presidential election was in full swing...many of us took a long, hard look at Obama...his writings, his associations, his voting record, his church, his family, his terrorist friends...everything that the US liberal press tried very hard to suppress and hide.

Obama's selection of Powers for a powerful position on the National Security Council is par for the course. Obama is a far-left leaning socialist as is Powers...many of us are not surprised, there will more of this in the future...Obama is in the process of deconstructing American.

phil

February 2nd, 2009 3:20pm

sanchez-I was actually saying that you cause an amount of amusement with your never ending castigation of Israel .I am no doubt biased ,but not blind -I know they perhaps are disproportionate in so far as their weapons and intelligence are so superior to hamas but also their humanity and efforts not to harm the innocents .They no doubt fail in the latter when hamas are so determined to win the propaganda battle at the expense of their citizens.The Jewish people will never eradicate anti-semitism which is an incurable virus affecting those who wish to see themselves as superior and know they are not -it never affects successful intelligent and balanced people ,but it wouldn't would it ? Open your eyes and consider what is really happening and who your enemies are -its definitely not theJews ,and tell me are you scared that Isarel will attack you ?

Joseph McNulty

February 2nd, 2009 4:08pm

For Obama to say that the United States needs to go back to the relations of "20 or 30 years ago" makes no sense. Our relations with the Arab world were just as bad then. The only way to go back to some imagined "golden age" of relations with the Arabs would be to go back BEFOFE the founding of the state of Israel. Is that what Obama is really signalling? Friends of Israel have cause to be worried. While posing as a "friend of Isreal," Obama is likely to be the most pro-Arab President in history. Why else give the FIRST interview to an Arab news outlet? Why else rehabilitate Jew-phoboc Samatha Powers as a top aide? Why else use his full name after running for months saying that those using his full name were trying to scare voters? Obama is smart, which makes him dangerous. He is a "stealth" candidate. We do not know what he is. Like an iceberg, most of him is concealed.

Carl

February 2nd, 2009 4:42pm

nosmo - oh dear, a threat from Israel. I hope they get on well with their new friends then.

By the way, I wouldn't class an IDF soldier as a "veteran" based on that series of atrocities.

phil

February 2nd, 2009 5:23pm

ADAM B methinks uri geller and david copperfield have combined to spirit away peter ,mister b .sketchly ,aisa and derek and co -but they have sent SIn back on the basis that exchange is no robbery ,but in this case it is :)Perhaps this is just a case of smoke and mirrors and they are only away for a course of answers for us .

phil

February 2nd, 2009 5:39pm

Carl ,you know I do not ever address you ,but I have one small favour to ask .Please tell me what is this obsession called that you have .you know the one that forces you to continually display yourself as not a full shilling .I have my own theory as to what happens whenever you see your name in print but in the interests of propriety I will not share it .Don,t be shy , you are well known here now .----------

If you are a good guy and tell us maybe I could arrange a meet with an IDF soldier so that you could come to some agreement about the meaning of "veteran"-We could even sell tickets ,you and I could make millions -what do you think ?

Carl

February 2nd, 2009 7:17pm

phil, he would run away, or be arrested for war crimes. Next question please.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

February 2nd, 2009 8:07pm

After I read some of the post here, I am bit worried about Barack I wonder what he is up to? someone mentioned he is the most pro-Arab president in history, I think and always thought he was too young to be a president, little immature and aggressive, I wonder what kind of Arabs he like? every race their is good and bad, Americans will pay good price for voting a liberal, but again the voters are not any better they are also left wing nouveau democrats, Sorry you have to put up with him at least for a while...

nosmo

February 2nd, 2009 8:47pm

...phil, he would run away, or be arrested for war crimes. Next question please.

I don't think so Carl. BTW he is a veteran IDF soldier in his 50's. He wasn't making any threats either, and much more conciliatory than you could ever be.

AisA

February 2nd, 2009 11:57pm

I think that Obama is an idealist who really wants to see justice in the world, and yes it may all go wrong, but having made the offer of an extended hand to the clenched fist, he has drawn all eyes to Islam's response.

What if - just what if - the fist did unclench, even if only a little? However unlikely most might consider that possibility, not extending the hand would never allow even the possibility...

phil

February 3rd, 2009 12:33pm

carl has once again demonstrated his stupidity and ignorance but we can guess what his obsession is without me spelling it out cant we -perhaps he is swallowing a jaffa whole whilst he is doing it :)-the cowardice is secondary but the laugh is for us to share

An American

February 3rd, 2009 3:19pm

AisA
Carl Marx was an idealist, as was Lenin, Castro and PolPot...need I go on. Socialists...just a nice word for Communists... believe that they can take society, men and women and wrap them up in a paper and ribbon of their own choosing. They take freedoms away to have a more ordered society. When you take freedoms away from people and in their place force unfair, unrealistic rules that they must live by...it all collapses. Why is it that countries that have capitalism, a free market and a Republic that gives its peoples freedoms to florish..succeeds. While socialist countries eventually fail...just look around and find one socialist society that has succeeded... they have either collapsed like Russian or are in major decline like the UK and Europe.

Yet naive, idealist, controling, egotistical people like Obama continue to believe in Socialism. It's all about control... You can't force a mind-numbing, controling system on man and expect it to work. You can't expect people to work hard to support their families but instead have to give most of their earnings to the goverment to give to the slackers in a society...it doesn't work because it goes against human nature.

When there are more slackers than workers in a society...it collapses and we're almost there with some 40% of Americans not paying federal income taxes but continue to receive undeserved tax money back from the goverment...Obama wants to increase that even more... while many of US workers who pay taxes don't receive any tax money back each year.

What the US needs is a revolution to put us back on our founding father's foundation.

Margaret Muller Johanssen,
I wish it were that easy...that Obama and the socialists would just go away after four years...but they now have a strong hold on the US. I wouldn't be surprised if Obama, the Messiah, tries to get our Constitution changed..he says it's flawed... to allow him to serve as US president forever...he is a lot like Hugo Chavez in wanting himself and the goverment in complete control... Obama's just smarter and much, much more subtle.

Obama and his cohorts are in the process of destroying one of the greatest countries ever formed on earth...God help us.

BethD

February 3rd, 2009 4:16pm

An American, I'm also feeling queasy about our new President. The press gave him a complete pass and didn't ask the hard questions. Like a bunch of lemmings, voters elected him. Now over at Gateway Pundit, I see that "Hail to the Chief" is no longer going to be played when Pres. Obama appears in public. One of the tunes used now will be Sting's "Desert Rose," which features Arabic lyrics. Some lyrics from this song: "I realize that things are not what they seem."

Hmmm. Got that right!

An American

February 3rd, 2009 7:50pm

BethD
Thank you for you comments.
At first I thought this might be a joke but on checking Gateway Pundit...it's true!

Amazing...before Obama speaks or has a press conference, I've noticed they play bar piano music but didn't know it included Sting's Desert Rose...yeah, the Messiahs a real class act...For a nice evening sipping wine in a pickup bar.

The good news is that Obama's popularity is sinking fast...even the liberal press is taking his press secretary on about all the tax-evaders that 'The One' as appointed. In the last two days Tom Daschel and Nancy Killefer have resigned their appointments due to cheating on their taxes. Also, the Paris mayor says he won't follow 'Obama's Stimulus bill' to ruin... and the UK and Canada are angry about Obama's protectionist policy trying to stop free trade on steel, etc.

Everything that Obama is doing... spending a trillion-plus...mostly going to payola, no tax breaks, protectionism, soft on defense, etc, etc. is going to be disasterous...

Obama puts his socialist ideology before America and Americans.

I hope The Messiah and his cronies keeps all this commie crap up...

Maybe it will wake Americans up before its too late.

AisA

February 4th, 2009 12:52am

An American:

"Why is it that countries that have capitalism, a free market and a Republic that gives its peoples freedoms to florish..succeeds. While socialist countries eventually fail...just look around and find one socialist society that has succeeded... they have either collapsed like Russian or are in major decline like the UK and Europe..."

Er, HELLO? The great economic decline we are seeing all over the world began with rampant and corrupt capitalism in America, initiated by their stupid, out-of-control sub-prime lending schemes. The unfettered and greed-fuelled scramble for money is what has caused a major collapse in the very economic system that it worships. It's almost poetic... and to describe Russia as socialist is a joke. It was communist, a completely different thing.

Socialism as an ideal aims to benefit the whole of society, not just a few elites at the top of the tree, with a suppressed proletariat beneath. Although as we know, it is not and never will be possible to benefit the whole of society. There will always be disaffected groups and indeed real grievances in any social system we might care to devise. Not to mention the depressingly inevitable corruption that eventually sets in at the top. Same with capitalism. Great concept - let's all be free to make money on the open market. Go forth and by all means flourish. Yay for freedom. But the downside is that it creates monsters whose philosophy all too soon becomes "devil take the hindmost".

Capitalism and communism both bring out the very worst in human nature - greed, utter self-interest, a sense of superiority, an assumption of entitlement and a chilling disdain for other human beings. It's a grotesque and disgusting lie and, if nothing else, as a method it shows how close we really are to the rest of the animal kingdom in our willingness to trample on the heads of our fellows in the great race that is the survival of the fittest. Heck, it's not only poetic -it's Darwinian.

Conservative Cabbie

February 4th, 2009 8:40am

An American
"What the US needs is a revolution to put us back on our founding father's foundation."

Do you mean in the Thomas Jefferson mould.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure."

An American

February 4th, 2009 7:16pm

Melanies poster,

Could you please find and post my latest comments to AsiA and Conservative Cabbie.
Thank you.

An American

February 5th, 2009 2:42pm

AsiA,

I can see you are a committed far-left Socialist when you compare evil Capitalism to Communism. You lack any iota of common-sense...I won't waste my time and this blog's space to comment to you any further.

Conservative Cabbie,

If it takes it...Yes.

Spectator spectator

February 5th, 2009 5:57pm

Adam B. February 2nd, 2009 2:30pm:
"Carl, how about writing something with substance rather than silly little meaningless snipes?"

Indeed.

phil

February 5th, 2009 6:54pm

Spectator spectator-carl cant its not what he does

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