A drift of misunderstanding in Londonistan

Dan Collins

"I divorce him, I divorce him, I divorce him."

See, he's not Archbishop of Squat anymore.

TomTom

One of the great attributes of the British Establishment is the profound ignorance of its membership. It is as if selected for their limited grasp of everyday realities they proceed to propagate beliefs hatched in the nursery because nanny has never let them look out of the window.

Hopeful

One hopes for the rebirth of england, and for the removal of the Arch-fool of Canterbury.

Brian O'Connor

Just because I'm ignorant of such things: who selects the Archbishop of Canterbury? Or, perhaps a different verb tense is more appropriate: how is the Archbishop of Canterbury selected?

stanley Jerusalem

Number 5. Oh dear1 There goes the Civil Service.

Andre

I do not believe Williams understands the basic Christian response to Islam. Simply we are remitted to love our neighbors as ourselves but secondly we must affirm there is no other way to God but through Christ. 'I am the way...' For followers of Christ Islam is quite simply wrong and to have anything to do with it - sharia - is an act of apostasy. Maybe that sounds pompous but we in Britain need to decide what we stand for. Are we a free democratic society founded on the judaeo christian faith or not. The secular left will abrogate this heritage making a vacuum which Islam is all to happy to fill in its place. In contrast to Williams I was rather impressed with the C of E recently announcing that the job of the church is to convert all. I have confidence good will prevail over evil.

Roy

The Archbishop of Canterbury is a prick. The ones who take him seriously within the portals of power are worse. Not unsurprising they have seen their flock diminish and scatter to the four winds. Mainly, it is suggested, from not adapting and bringing their empire into a more interesting, clubby, 'lets help one another' organization, along with some down to earth planning and budgetary advise, among a myriad of other ways to help the ones at the bottom. Perhaps also, some good sobering advice to government, such as curbing the inflow of the increasing numbers of immigrants of dubious character. But no, they have concentrated their efforts in continuing to speak down from their pulpit in the clouds, while comforting the newcomers and suggesting the country adapt to their distant peculiar irregular ways.

Oliwagino Alefava Yihiri

After I see the picture of this guy I want to "vomit", he needs to see a therapy, why he doesn't try to go to Iran and hold Anglican sermon with his senior left wing liberal politician friends? oh yeah, they think this is attractive law, they be the first people to be hang or stone to death under the barbaric law if they steal the tax payers money, gossip, go to the pub etc....

Lizzy

Does this mean the spooks are going to be allowed to sort it? I hope so. This lunacy has got to stop.

I live in Australia and while we are not immune from terrorism and Muslims within our borders plotting to bomb major sports events, our Prime Minister Kevin Rudd slams Islamic preaching that goes against our way of life eg a so-called Islamic cleric recently saying Muslim men should ignore Australian law and beat and rape their wives into submission because it is their right. I would prefer it if these people were not in my country to begin with, but at least they are being kept in check (fingers crossed) and are not receiving approval from government and church leaders. I can confidently say that would be unthinkable here.

Lee Jakeman

It's the "fairly senior people" that I hate the most. Come the revolution ....

wonderer

Last year I picked up a leaflet at a Muslim stall on a London street and read it on the way home. It claimed that there was no crime in the days of the Caliphate, which would soon be restored and would extend its power to the West.

I wished I'd stayed around to ask what about the Barbary pirates, who captured Christians and sold them in the slave markets of Istanbul. Weren't they criminals?

dee

In view of the state of our society
it is surprising that so many people think
we have got it right and Muslims have got it wrong. We seem to be on the side of the criminal rather than the victim. Our deterrents aren't enough to discourage offenders. Our so-called liberty results in widespread public drunkeness, provocative immodesty in dress,
sexual disease, paedophilia, the list goes on.
Why is anyone surprised that muslims see us as a decadent society?

Vision Aforethought

I have probably mentioned this before on a prior posting, but the fact some are 'waking up' finally is simply the British way. While this may sound a little 'racist', I have observed that Brits of European origin are unable to grasp 'new ideas' or 'distant' (yet viable) threats until (as George Orwell said), they are "shaken from their slumber". This applies to technology too!

While in the US, I recall informing my friends in the UK of the amazing new 'DVD', great picture quality and you can freeze the video instantly, with no fuzzyness. I said it was the future and would be massive. They responded, yeh yeh yeh. A few years later, I raved (in a written airmail letter) about this amazing way to view information remotely using some software innovative called 'Mosaic' via the 'World Wide Web'. They went, yeh yeh yeh.

Well, the rest is history.

The sooner they got to experience these amazing developments, the coffee was not only smelled, but consumed en masse!

(I could go on about many other technical and political topics, but I think dear reader, you get my point!)

With a big enough hammer, and enough persistence, people can be made to comprehend their station.

gary ashton

londinistan
melanie you saw and read the writing on the wall while others see a nice white fence and fluffy white clouds. well done.

Anon for this one

@Dee: As M has pointed out in the past with regards to Islam filling a vacuum, you may have a point. However, I have more recently discovered through daily life and observation (I don't count reading about something as evidence it is true, else I would be falling into the same trap as those who believe all that is written about Jews/Israel etc etc) that there is a lot of hypocrisy in Islam, just as there is in some other faiths. While I am sure the majority are honorable, some Muslims profit from 'our' behavior (who sells the alcohol?), engage in dubious businesses (prostitution) and are guilty of human rights abuses around the world.

In the West, we can protest at the junk we're drowning in, and eventually, our leaders will take action. And we can vote with our wallets. IE, if we're sick of reading about celebs in a paper, we stop buying it.

All said, what the West needs to do is create new institutions and publications that people admire and aspire too - that is something I respected about America. For all the cricism it receives, it is based on some values that the UK sadly lacks. Consider that the most offensive thing some find about Americans is that they talk loudly and chew gum on the Underground! We Brits? We vomit and pee in the streets, have a crude celeb culture (almost worse than Hollywood trash) and treat our children appallingly, no wonder they are so pasty faced, confused and pregnant.

It's not Islam we need, it's a combination of the values from all the faiths, plus some common sense! Firm foundations...

stanley Jerusalem

dee - Who gives a sh*t what Muslims see us as?
For that matter try seeing what they appear to us as.

Louise

Hmmmm. The lawyer quoted would appear, from his website, to be a member of the Association of International Petroleum Negotiators.

HFC

#wonderer:'I wished I'd stayed around to ask what about the Barbary pirates, who captured Christians and sold them in the slave markets of Istanbul. Weren't they criminals?'

Clearly not in the view of the Caliph and his henchmen.

Remember, the Christians were/are not followers of the Ismamic belief system and therefore could be disposed of as the Islamic rulers chose.

fulcanelli

The appeasement of invaders is simply ridiculous, and has never worked. It should simply not be tolerated, and we should never have allowed so many in to the country in the first place.

All the bleeding heart liberals who espouse such appeasement should be sent to an Islamic state to see how their lifestyle choices are received within the Muslim world. I imagine they'd quickly return with their tales between their legs. That's assuming, of course, that they have not been publicly executed for expressing their opinions.

Conservative Pedestrian

To: Brian O'Connor: The Archbishopric of Canterbury is a politically-appointed position. The Prime Minister (leader of the party receiving the greatest number of votes in an election) suggests a list of possible appointees to the Monarch and the Sovereign then, theoretically, chooses the person to be appointed. In reality, the Monarch is dependent upon advice from his/her staff and will always agree to whichever nominee the Government actually favours for its political ends.

Williams is Left-wing, ergo, he was Blair's favourite. No doubt, the fact that the present Government is reliant upon Middle Eastern monies to bail Britain out of its economic crisis (partly its own fault and partly engineered by others), is the real reason why Williams is supportive of Sharia Law. I would suspect that the price for Moslem financial assistance to Britain is that British Government, Academia, Clergy and the Media should agree to do all they can to hasten public acceptance of Islam and Sharia by deprving those aware of the facts of Islam of any real platform for publicly airing their concerns.

Wilhelm

The United Arab Emirates has refused entry of an Israeli tennis player, how very childish ?

paul

i am 63yrs and retired but i feel like i want to go to war because of the state our country is in.

Wilhelm

I had a friend who worked as a nurse in the Gulf states, women werent allowed to drive cars and were treated like second class peasants plus the floggings, lashings, beheadings, burquas, forced marriages, genital mutilation. She lasted 2 months , she is so grateful that she's back working in the British nhs.

Neil

So, according to 'Roy' (8:03 am) the 'Archbishop of Canterbury is a prick'.

Many thanks for your contribution. Are the comments on this blog no longer moderated?

Original Tony

I get enraged when liberals treat our hard-won freedoms with such contempt. Our 'leaders' have the luxury of picking and choosing our future because they have never tasted the horror of living under Sharia law themselves. It beggars belief why they flirt with this evil.
Paul, 11:46am...I feel just like you my friend...time to take up arms to fight for what we hold dear to us.
Anyway, I think our women will save us; their reaction to Sharia law on its own will be a formiddable force to try and convert, I think they rather like showing their knickers off in public.

Dr M Grave

And what role do you feel the lying, cheating, extorting, bigoted BBC has played in this moral decline?

Mark

SO do I have this right - our own establishment - the one that has made ur own criminal law (some of you would say "too" - I wouldn't but lets not get side tracked) liberal and humane are now proposing to let Muslims be subject to a different law that allows the removal - I'm putting it neutrally you understand - of a hand for certian crimes?

And this is seen as pro Muslim?

Dave M

My prediction, made some years ago, is that ultimately this situation will be sorted out externally. Wait and see what happens if another 9/11 attack takes place and the terrorists involved turn out to be based in the U.K. I suppose the same applies to France too.

Carl

Wilhelm, your "friend" certainly managed to pack a lot in during her short stay.

Carl

I'll try again. All this talk of sharia law and amputations in the UK is hysterical nonsense. The Archbishop is proposing a similar system to Beth Din, in which civil matters can be settled by Sharia if both parties agree.

I really can't think why anybody would want to portray it otherwise.........

GaryO

Don't I get a say in this?

Oh sorry, for a minute there, I thought I was living in a democracy.

Silly me!

GaryO

@Original Tony

"Anyway, I think our women will save us; their reaction to Sharia law on its own will be a formiddable force to try and convert"

Don't hold your breath on that one, mate. Go and read Karen Armstrong, she was a nun of all things!

Wilhelm

Didnt Enoch predict all this ?

He must be spinning in his grave at the British dhimmitude to islam.

Suffolkbor

Why is there no politician , public dignitary or other influential individuals or organizsations who will stand up and declare that the vast majority of British people want absolutely nothing to to do with Islamism and Sharia law ?
We have been here before with regards to the EU which , we were told in the early 70,s was just a simple trading agreement
" The Common Market "and look where we are now with that .
I fear that Islamification and Sharia law is being slipped past the general public in this country in a similar obfuscatory way .

JES

If this weren’t so disturbingly dangerous it would be acutely comic. For decades the creeping cancer that is called the ‘liberal left establishment’ has been busy trashing our traditional values and creating an environment where the concept of right and wrong has been abandon; where to be judgmental or moralistic is a crime while crass irresponsibility is rewarded; where ‘lifestyle choice’ may never be questioned let alone criticised. Now these same ‘fairly senior people’ want to embrace Sharia law in all its draconian intolerance. Any more evidence needed that the lunatics are running the asylum ?

Original Tony – 12:53 Absolutely, I can’t see my other half swapping her mini skirt and heels for a burqua any time soon, in fact I’d want to be several streets away were it ever suggested.

Lionel

I think the Archbishop of Canterbury has shown great foresight - within a couple of generations, Britain will have a Muslim majority, so he wants to get into their good books early!

stanley Jerusalem

Where's Norman Tebbit when you need him?

Kelly

Please do not be surprised at the comments from lawyer Michael Wachtel, that level of endorsement of an orgnisation such as Hezbollah may be extreme, but it’s where the legal establishment is drifting.

Commercial lawyers are particularly keen to get whitewashing because of all the money to be made with shariah investments. The bankers? They’d sell us all down the river as they’ve shown already, do you think they’ll balk at shariah finance? Not a bit of it.

The strategy of commercial law firms and financial institutions to get all this money without any fuss is to re-package shariah finance as an ‘ethical’ investment! There’s no interest and money goes to Islamic ‘charities’ like, er, Interpal, of which a reminder here:

http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1310

No, Carl, Beth Din courts defer to British law, they do not try to supersede it like Shariah law.

GaryO

Will someone please tell me where do the Tories and LibDems stand on this issue.

All I hear is a deafening silence.

Conservative Cabbie

Carl

"All this talk of sharia law and amputations in the UK is hysterical nonsense. The Archbishop is proposing a similar system to Beth Din, in which civil matters can be settled by Sharia if both parties agree."

To a degree, I agree with you. If both parties agree and are willing, then Sharia shouldn't be too much of a problem. However, I think there are three main reasons why people, including me, are concerned.

1. Political victories are often incremental in nature. It may start off by willing parties agreeing on a ruling. But what if Islamic activists want to widen the scope of Islamic law in this country? There is potential for this instance of Sharia being the thin end of a worrying wedge.

2. When a person goes to another country, they should expect to live within the laws of the country they visit. Why should anyone coming to Britain, first generation or otherwise, not be expected to live within British law?

3. Islam takes a different view of women's rights than we do in the west. Can we be sure that Islamic women in a Sharia court are genuinely 'willing'?

JES

Carl – 1:16pm “I really can’t think why anybody would want to portray it otherwise….”

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that 9/11, Madrid, 7/7 etc. were all committed in the name of Islam and that the fanatics capable of such atrocities are unlikely to be satisfied with the thin end of the wedge.

Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe Beth Din blatantly discriminates against women

John Thomas

Wonderer: The Barbary pirates were not criminals at all. they were enforcing slavery on non-Muslims, which is perfectly legal and acceptable (to Muslim law - and that's the only real law because all the rest is "man made" and thus not real.) If they'd been enslaving fellow-Muslums, then yes. What you should have asked them about is the many, many times Muslims from one country have killed or mistreated Muslims from another country (apparently more Iraqis have been killed by other Muslims than by US/UK "invaders").

Carl

JES - thank you for confirming why some people will attempt to portray this as something it is not.

Ordinary Muslims had nothing to do with the attacks, you are attempting to smear them by association.

stanley Jerusalem

The Beth Din is an a Court of Arbitration recognised in English Law.
Sharia is an entire system of jurisprudence which wishes to supplant English Common law in certain regions, initially....

stanley Jerusalem

JES - The Beth Din does not discriminate against women blatantly but built in to the system is a male-oriented set of rules that occasionally favours the male side of a matrimonial discussion. On all other counts it is as impartial as any decent Western legal system - all of which are founded on the laws which the Beth Din upholds.

HarleyDavidson

Melaine Philips
As an North American I've just came across a reference to a Balen Report on the BBC. News to me.
Can you or someone on here explain to me why this Balen Report is or is not significant? The passing reference mentioned the BBC was fighting to suppress said report. Is there something significant the BBC wishes to suppress and why?
Sorry about change of subject here.

HarleyDavidson

dee-Why is anyone surprised that Muslims see us as a decadent society?
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You are aware I presume Mohammad himself had a large harem with some as young as nine years old? And in Saudi Arabia it is acceptable for Muslim men to marry nine year old children based on Mohammad's life and experience. Perhaps you are also aware that Muslim men are permitted in many Muslim countries to have four or five wives? Did you know that's even going on in Britain today? And with 1.2 billion Muslims one can imagine how extra wives significantly add to the census.
Now, Dee, you wouldn't be advocating Western men be permitted more than one wife would you?

Ben-Tsiyon (ha rishon)

Lawyer Wachtel's statement of admiration for Hezbollah (one of several groups that have the declared objective of bringing down not just Israel, but also the western democracies, including Britain) is a clear indication of what Rabbi Ken Spiro terms, in his admirable 'Crash Course in Jewish History', "classic anti-Semitism" i.e. "I don't care if my own country goes down, as long as the Jews go down too !"

As for the suggestion that Hezbollah "got the better" of Israel, naturally the 'antis' would like to believe that. The fact is that Israel foolishly bowed to pressure from 'the international community', didn't finish the job, and withdrew , just as it has recently done again in Gaza. Let's hope that Netanyahu can now really take command and prevent this from happening again the next time Israel has to go to war, as unfortunately it surely will have to, in order to settle unfinished business.

Carl

Harley davidson - You are aware that you are posting Islamophobic tosh I presume. The sort of tosh that would have people squealing anti semite if it were directed at Jews?

Margaret Muller-Johansson

Carl, Harley Davidson should post how he feels
it is not any phobia posting, just get real and stop complaining

anyway is it Carl your real Arabic name?

Wyn

Here we go again: lions led by donkeys.

HarleyDavidson

Carl
Hey, Carl, how's it going buddy? I imagine you have me cold on this one. However, I did research everything I wrote and using Muslim sources mainly the Muslim scholar Ali Dashti When referring to Mohammad's wives.

The powerful Grand Mufti Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh said in a speech late Monday Jan 14, 2009 that Islamic Sharia law allows the practice of pre-teen girls getting married, and that critics of the practice were doing the girls “an injustice,” reports said.

“We hear often in the media about the marriage of minors. We must know that Sharia law is not unjust for women,” the cleric is quoted as saying.

“If it is said that a woman below 15 cannot be married, that is wrong. If a girl exceeds 10 or 12 then she is eligible for marriage, and whoever thinks she is too young, then he or she is wrong and has done her an injustice.

Consideration and compassion on the part of the man for his first wife should prompt him to discuss the matter with her, but he is not required to do so or to gain her approval. Secondly, the Quran has explicitly given permission for a man to marry "two or three or four." No one has the authority to make a contract forbidding something that has been granted by Allah.

So, Carl, I think I'm on fairly sold ground in my commits.

Carl

MMJ - obviously, it is just so Islamic. HarleyD is an Islamaphobe. I know that you probably approve.

Foster

Carl, different rules apply for Jews, surely you must know this by now.

Rockmelon

It sounds as if the Archbishop of Canterbury is suffering from dementia! Perhaps he should be forcefully removed his post and put out to pasture somewhere in the Austrailian outback.

I try to sympathize with the English people; but when you disallow freedom of speech by people like Geert Wilders and give free speech to the Archbishop, you really are asking for trouble.

Augustus

"There could be no grosser misconception of the realities than is entertained by those who vociferously demand legislation as they call it 'against discrimination' whether they be leader-writers of the same kidney and sometimes of the same newspapers which year after year in the 1930s tried to blind this country to the rising peril which confronted it, or archbishops who live in palaces, faring delicately with the bedclothes pulled right up over their heads. They have got it exactly and diametrically wrong.

"The discrimination and deprivation, the sense of alarm and of resentment lies not with the immigrant population but with those among whom they have come and are still coming.

"...But while, to the immigrant,
entry to this country was admission to privileges and opportunities eagerly sought, the impact upon the existing population was very different. For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.

"...The other dangerous delusion from which those who are wilfully or otherwise blind to realities suffer, is summed up in the word 'integration'. To be integrated into a population means to become for all practical purposes indistinguishable from its other members...But to imagine that such things enter the heads
of a great and growing majority of immigrants and their descendants is a ludicrous misconception, and a dangerous one.

"We are on the verge here of a change. Hitherto it has been force of circumstance and of background which has rendered the very idea of integration inaccessible to the greater part of the immigrant population
- that they never conceived or intended such a thing, and that their numbers and physical concentration meant the pressures towards integration which normally bear upon any small minority did not operate.
Now we are seeing the growth of positive forces acting against integration, of vested interests in the preservation and sharpening of racial and religious differences, with a view to the exercise of actual domination, first over fellow immigrants and then over the rest of the population. The cloud no bigger than a man's hand, that can so rapidly overcast the sky has been visible recently in Wolverhampton and has shown signs of spreading quickly...to claim special communal rights (or should one say rites?) leads to a dangerous fragmentation within society. This communalism is a canker; whether practised by one colour or another it is to be strongly condemned.

"For these dangerous and divisive elements the legislation proposed...is the ver pabulum they need to flourish. Here is the means of showing that the immigrant communities can organize to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided..."
-Enoch Powell MP, 20/4/1968

T/dor

Carl, now you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel with the utter nonsense you're talking. Even for you it is complete brainlessness!

Dave M

"All this talk of sharia law and amputations in the UK is hysterical nonsense."

It's actually the reverse. The Islamicisation of the U.K. is a genuine phenomenon. Take the city where I now live and was born: Years ago it was heavily industrialised, reasonably prosperous and there was a good educational system (at the time better than in the U.S., I think). Today they're going to build a huge mosque as the focal point of the city and I can tell you people are angry as s result. I can say for a start why I'm personally annoyed about it: It has to do with the simple fact mosques over here in the U.K. have been proven to be radical on more than one occasion. Even a visiting Iraqi politician was shocked to hear how radical some these mosques are. If I were a genuine racist, of course, I'd be objecting to synagogues, krishna temples and what have you. However, if it had been a krishna temple that would have been fine by me. The problem is we're not seeing "diversity" at all but merely the construction of more and more mosques. Finally we now have open predictions of Sharia Law being incorporated into the system. People are, of course, now getting very concerned. There is simply no justification for the ideology and views of another society to be imposed on others and more and more people have now had a belly full of it. This Government has dug a hole for its political future and I doubt voters will ever trust Labour again.

Michael Z

I am an American of German/British extraction. Although I am fond of Germany, I absolutely adore Britain. The British bloodline in my family has always been a source of great pride to me. The Islamisation of the Continent is very sad indeed, but the Islamisation of Britain is heartbreaking in a way that words cannot describe. The land of the Magna Carta inching towards Sharia! May God save Britain as well as the Queen.

David

Mr Wachtel should peer deeply into his sparsely furnished soul and consider whether Hassan Nasrallah is really his hero or whether he is merely trying to curry favour with his 'Middle Eastern' clients. If the former he is merely a fool. If the latter...well you make your own assessment of Mr Wachtel.

journeyman

Was I imagining things AGAIN.I mean,I don,t live in Britain.I just look on in shear horror and amazement.I hear myself on a daily basis now,saying" just when you think things can,t get any worse.What ever happened to mass demonstrations,or is that also now a privelege specifically reserved for Muslims.

William

Good point, journeyman: "What ever happened to mass demonstrations,or is that also now a privelege specifically reserved for Muslims."

Michael Z, get over yourself! I am both Brit and US (of the latter I am proud; the former is an accident of birth) and your so-called "bloodline" would only be laughed at -- and your great love of it ridiculed -- by the Brits. You're American, be proud of that. And as for the Queen, is it not time she took a stand over this whole Islamification thing? We don't ask much of her, for Gods sake, but she is head of state and head of the official church. Maybe she should quietly let her feelings be made known to the Govt of the day (as they are only, after all, govt of the day - her status is entrenched and is here to stay).

Raymond in DC

Dee writes, "Our so-called liberty results in widespread public drunkeness, provocative immodesty in dress, sexual disease, paedophilia, the list goes on. Why is anyone surprised that muslims see us as a decadent society?"

Oh, please! The 9/11 hijackers and others linked to al Qaida plots were known to frequent bars and strip clubs. Saudis are known to frequent foreign porn sites from their cell phones, and incidents of rape are increasing in Western locales with growing Muslim populations. (An Australian imam referred to the victims as "uncovered meat".) Persian Gulf Muslims have instituted "temporary marriages", providing an Islamic gloss to prostitution. And one of the first of the Shah's reforms to be rescinded when Khomeni came to power involved the minimum marriage age for girls. Gotta' have those child brides. After all, Mohammed had one.

So much for the "example" they set for us decadent Westerners.

Kenwood

Melanie

I thought you would want to see the statement issued by the Chairman of Watson Farley:

"The piece was not published with official sanction of the management of Watson, Farley & Williams; I can of course confirm that the views expressed in this feature are matters of personal opinion which do not represent the opinion of this firm. WFW has a culture of inclusiveness and diversity, is respectful of human rights and does not condone any form of unlawful violence. Mr Wachtel has advised me that he does not approve of any terrorist activities or unlawful or immoral acts of violence. Whilst Mr Wachtel believed that he had made it clear that he does not agree with Mr Nasrallah’s ideology or political views, with hindsight he understands that this may not have been sufficiently clear and that his comments may be considered offensive. He has apologised for any such offence, which was entirely unintentional."

Lizzy

Good one, Raymond in DC.

KM

At the nub of it all is Bankrupt Britain is led by Morally and culturally bankrupt politicians and religious leaders. Having the beggars bowl out for Oil profits to be laundered by a bankrupt and corrupt financial system just leads them to be craven and cowardly when dealing with Islam.
Little or no heavy industry/manufacturing base has left us at the mercy of this grubby financial/political cesspit of dhimmitude. Corruption and greed is rife among our serving politicians , who seem to be more interested in milking the system of all the privilege and money they can grab than the long term welfare of the country and its people.
Who quoted "In the land of the blind the one eyed man is King ?"
It seems to sum up all we have become in the UK...blind and slovenly led by donkeys bereft of lions.

Conservative Pedestrian

Not everyone is unaware of the more serious and deadly implications of the Archdhimmi's support for Sharia:

A Welsh Bishop has come out against Williams, stating that such a comment, in support of Sharia, has already claimed Christian lives in predominantly Moslem countries and can only further endanger Christians:-

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2009/02/17/williams-renews-sharia-law-claims-91466-22943004/

gerd S

The happenings in the UK are simply tragic. I pray something happens to turn the tide but it allready seems too late. Good christian citizens of the UK, make Australia your new home.

Ali

In Sharia It is considered apostasy for anyone to leave islam and convert any other religion or none. The penalty prescibed is death. The Times reported in an article last year that it knew of 31 apostates on the run in England. A recent survey of mulims in the UK aged between 16-35 years old found that over 30% of them agreed with the death penalty for apostasy!!! What a weak religion it must be if it has too keep its' adherents in the fold by death threats.

Melanie please keep speaking out

Mordechai

Patrick Sookhdeo is leading the fight against the Islamist apostasy law which would see conversion from Islam as punishable by death. Bizarrely, some British Christians are seeking to defame him:

http://seismicshock.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/death-knell-for-apostates/

Jilhan B

This is making me feel sick, I am muslim who lived last 20 years in western world, when i was in my country twenty years ago people could do what they want but now I heard different story for example if the muslims convert to Christianity they be killed by extremist muslims who don't have anything else to do, I know they are killing people who was born Christianity too like humanitarian workers, but why they want to kill converts in Britain? white British people can be what they want, eat what they like, convert to Buddhism or atheist if they want, became gay or transvestite and dress the way they like, on the other hand the ethnic minorities from muslim background can not do the same, they have to live with fear, I don't know what to say but some people have too much freedom to do what they want and the other ones so little freedom, it is so unfair and it is time the government to involve,
sooner is better