We are all Hezbollah now in the FCO

Rob-NY

Britian is feeding the Islamofascist gator in hopes he will eat them last. Has the UK learnt anything from 1939. Tragically, the lesson must be taught again and will be.
I hope my friends in London will stage some kind of protest when Obama visits London on April Fools Day.

zen

It does stretch credibility to ask your British soldiers to die at the hands of the Taliban but to invite Taliban cousins to the FO for tea and biscuits.

However the Islamification of the UK is old news.

Much has changed since the indigenous English were offered an election.

The country has lost over two million of its brightest and best; the emigre elite has been replaced by an active population from asia.

Not much left of blighty now. The UK's use as an aircraft carrier has switched from the US to the Taliban in 40 short years.

Incidentally, the Jihadists also want your costa del sol! Andalucia is the latest addition to their wish list of territory.

It will be funny to watch the non-nuclear Italians defending the Vatican from Hezzbollah once the much stronger Israelis have been dispatched 'fromthe pages of history' so to speak.

One point: The Jews did not have nuclear weapons last time racists tried to murder them all. This fact is a game changer. The Italians and Spanish need to go nuclear to survive.

The FO just made the future a little more bleak than it was yesterday. No suprise really - none of them have a real job.

gary ashton

this now legitimizes anyone to commit terrorism no matter how obscene their agenda is. well dome england, what's next?

Ken Kopke

" ... and to have learned absolutely nothing from history."

Alas, while there are occasional ups and downs, scientific knowledge generally increases with each generation.

But social knowledge must be learned anew by each generation.

Virginia Bob

Hillary is asking for Iranian help on Afghanistan. The "O" sends a delegation to Durban II (and withdraws only after it becomes generally known). This just keeps getting better and better.

Bill M

FYI Peter or whomever, There's a bunch of space between the end of Melanie's article and the beginning of the comments.

Terry

Since when wasn't Her majesty's Foreign Office not on the side of genocidal islamist and arab terror organisations? This is only making official what we already know - that the FO has about as much morality as the last group of loonies who hated the Jews.

I'm afraid the British Jewry is fast approaching its use by date. As unimaginable as it may seem (especially to me, who grew up in Britain) large scale Alyah of British Jews to Israel may become a necessity. Just as Jews had to flee nazi germany in the 1930s, so now we will have to flee Brtish antisemitsm in the same way.

Both periods dripping with appeasement of facsim.

Christopher Jones

Britain is terrified by the prospect of the rising tide of Islam across Europe, not to mention on its own doorstep. This 'outreach' mistakenly plays to this constituency. it is self-defeating in the long term. Woe betide us all.

Andre

What is our government doing to assist the Lebanese Christian community? Should we not look to their support and succour? Iran is trying to displace Syria as the main meddler in Lebanon. Both are to be resisted. Am appalled Hits-bowler has been admitted to government

Austin Barry

The stupid and craven will soon have what shrinks call a 'burst into reality'. Which means, alas, some devastating terrorist attack in the West. Imagine, for example, the consequences of a cadre of Islamist gunmen opening fire in Piccadilly Circus or Times Square. But perhaps that is what it will take to stiffen the sinews of our limp-wristed, bleeding heart leaders.

kate b

Hizbulla translates as the party of allah - the political wing wants to implement......sharia, that IS the politic.

A Muslim calipha is entrusted to take his people into war and command offensive and aggressive Jihad. He must organize Jihad against any non-Muslim government, which prevents Muslim da'wah* from entering its land. (Shafi Law 25 v 1-9)

*proseletysing

Fight those who believe not in allah until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and FEEL THEMSELVES SUBDUED. Qur'an 9:29

and the famous one

The Hour (i.e. resurrection) will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and KILL them. And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Alla, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him! (Sahih Muslim 41:6985 and Sahih Bukhari 4:52:177)

The Qur'an is a 'confirmation of what went before' as stated by Mohamet in Qur'an 3.3 and 5:46 and 48, but Muslims believe that the scriptures are corrupted, even though the Dead Sea Scrolls have proven that this is not the case.

The above are sayings (and actions) of Mohamet, interpreting his own Qur;an correctly, I presume so please don't accuse me of hate speech, this is the written Muslim's 'truth'.

stanley Jerusalem

Psalm CXV Verse 5

Cecil

Sprinting to dhimmitude.

michaelB55

Conflict resolution is the latest sub-academic racket whereby Sinn Fein/IRA terrorists get a luxury hol in the BAsque region or Colombo in Sri Lanka. Apropos which, the usual LSE suspects are signatories to a disgusting letter in today's Times. The Sri Lankan government is on the verge of wiping out the Tigers (who has a state within a state of over 7000 sq miles) in a contracting pocket of 30 square miles, yet the letter writers want them to hold back, thereby allowing the Tigers to re-establish their reign of terror. The signatories affect concern for the human rights of civilians trapped in the pocket-civilians they will gladly hand back to the insane Tiger suicide bombers.

fulcanelli

Yet another sad, pathetic day in the record of Socialist Britain.

When will this madness end? We must rid this country of all the islamic apologists and sycophants, and whilst we're at it end this nightmare liberal minded push towards an atheist, secular apologist state.

Ruairidh

Foreign policy involves talking to people you don't like. Like it or not Hezbollah are a state actor, as are the Taliban. Talking to them does not mean giving in to them. I agree that debate with Islamists to find common ground can often be futile (especially when they are subsate actors with nothing to lose) and the 'time to negotiate with Al Qaeda' mindset is completely naive and worngheaded.

Nevertheless if peace is to have a chance there needs to be dialogue. Hezbollah are awful but they practically run Lebanon. Ignoring them will not make them go away. Just as we cannot wish away North Korea or Iran by pretending they're not there.

Valentinus

Welcome back to Melaniesworld, where even potentially insightful arguments are crippled by their own shrill, hypertrophied rhetoric and their possession by an increasingly manichaean worldview. So Conflicts Forum and Forward Thinking (organisations for which I personally have little sympathy) are fifth-columnists intent on destroying our civilzation, are they..? Hmmm. Presumably then, Melanie, they should be banned and their leadership arrested immediately. Is that what you mean? That's what is usually done with fifth columnists. In the absence of a decent copy-editor or a course in the virtues of understatement, doesn't M have any pals who would go over her stuff sometimes and gently highlight the law of diminishing returns whereby grossly inflated overstatement stops sounding counterculturally provocative and just sounds....well....funny.

And the British Army defeated the IRA, did it..? Hmm...as simple as that? How did we miss the Ochamite lucidity of that explanation? And Daniel Pipes is a just a 'scholar' is he? The same Daniel Pipes who claimed Barack Obama was a Muslim...? Hmmm.

Winston Smith

Sadly, it seems that our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq are worth nothing. The very fact that the government is allowing Saudi Arabia to pump Wahabism unhindered into UK Faith Schools, no different to the ideology of the Taliban in Afghanistan and the Insurgents in Iraq speaks volumes.
Then there is also the latest news as reported in the Daily Telegraph that showed although the UK is not at war with Iran, Iran is very much at War with the UK as Iranian officials admitted attacks on British Soldiers in Southern Iraq here:"Sir John Sawers, the British ambassador to the United Nations, revealed that Iranian officials openly acknowledged complicity in attacks that killed scores of British soldiers in southern Iraq."

This however is the World we're living in. Melanie Phillips' book Londonistan, warned of the Islamisation of the UK, but who is listening? Who in the government has bothered to pick it up and read it? Christopher Booker and Richard North wrote a great book "The Great Deception:Can the European Union Survive?" which tells the excellent story of the creation of and the current EU. It tells of the lies and the machinations behind the creation of one big supernation, yet why is this not necessary reading amongst politicians and even better taught in schools, so we can all see the deceit around us?

At times I feel like Steve Buschemi in the Film Armageddon as he finds a "front" seat on the meteor hurtling down to earth to wipe out all life there. However I'm in the heart of London.

How they can discuss with terrorists is beyond me. Hezbollah & Hamas only want one thing and that is the total destruction of Israel. Once they've acheived that goal, then they and the rest of the Islamic Nation will set their sites on the West. The government really just doesn't get it. You can't bargain with terrorists. Terrorists will look upon your bargaining as a weakness. They're no different to the school bully and Britain and the West are like the wealthy kid, who's giving more of his lunch money away, so as not to be beaten on a daily basis. Sure the money's going to keep the Bully off for a week or so, but what about next week?
Worst of all, the recent giving away of funding to Afghanistan and Palestine just shows that our government are not on our side. Firstly WE CAN'T AFFORD IT as we're in a recession and secondly all we are doing is giving our money to our assassins to buy more weapons with which to kill British/American and Israeli armed forces personnel.

Welcome to the west 21st Century - The Age of Islamic Appeasement and Islamisation!

peter

I would have thought Ms Phillips was greatly relieved that Hezbollah has refrained so far from going after Jews abroad.

Gert

"In 1994 in the same city, a Hezbollah car bomb attack on a Jewish community building was the largest single incident of terrorism against Jews since World War II."

Only very recently have some people been charged with this crime. No one has been convicted yet:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080204/porter
The evidence doesn't look convincing to me.

Original Tony

Why are no comments being uploaded today??

Ronnie

Bill M, that's not the only place where there is a bunch of space.

Glenn Hysen

Before Israel invaded & occupied Lebanon in 1982, the Hizbollah did not exist.

You reap what you sow

David Lindsay

It is always good to hear David Miliband, since it reinforces the pleasure of not being David Miliband. On the Today programme, he explained that, while Hezbollah’s “armed wing” was proscribed in the United Kingdom, its “political wing” had to be treated better than that, since it had “a Cabinet Minister” in Lebanon.

Just the one? What small fry and amateurs Hezbollah must be. And after all, Hezbollah does not regard Lebanon itself as an illegitimate entity, instead asserting the sovereign authority of the ruling body of its “armed wing”, a body including the Cabinet Minister from its “political wing”.

Contrast that with those who believe the Provisional Army Council to be the sovereign body throughout Ireland. No single, solitary portfolio for them, but rather a lot more say in the government of part of this Kingdom. We really are in no position to comment.

Still, being a friend of Syria and Iran is hardly a problem these days, now that even the President of the United States is a friend of Syria and Iran, Middle America having flocked to his banner not least for that very reason.

Manuel

"Conflict resolution" = Appeasment. Which means, at any cost to us, no price too high, just leave us to the last!
It will not work Mr. Rammell, the enemy is already among us & you are only giving it even more encouragement. This will be seen as 'weakness' & the islamofacist terrorists, be they hezbollah, hamas, al quaeda etc., will come back for even more.
Hezbollah has literally bombed & killed its way into the Lebanese government & the FCO now wants to reward terrorism. We should be supporting the Lebanese Christians who have been systematically slaughtered by islamist terrorism over the past 25 years, not stabbing them in the back under the guise of conflict resolution.
Does this country's administrators have no shame or honour? Appatently not, only short term expediency.
The FCO is one just one of our problems & has always run a pro-Arab policy but that doesn't mean HM ministers must go along with the FCO's proposed strategies. The reason ministers do so is because they do not understand their remit, the thugs they are asked to deal with or have an ounce of common sense, self respect & decency.
Brown has proven he is totally inadequate (in every department of government)& the sooner he goes and takes his incompetents with him the better for the UK & Lebanon & Israel.

Oreo

I am troubled by this. If you talk to terrorists it will show them that violence pays and then other terrist groups will definately copy them. People that say it can help to break cycles of violence and that it will give the more moderate voices in hizbollah a chance to be heard and that it might divert people who would have sought nothing other than violence confrontation a chance to engage in dialogue are stupid. These people are terrorists and all terrorist groups are exactly the same and all have exactly the same goals - to kill jews; people that say tarring all terrorist groups with the same brush is niave and misses the point that terrist groups have profoundly different grievances and goals and that you have to understand the complex interactions of historical precdent, geography and population demographics are silly!!

Joe Strummer

Why are we surprised by this latest Zanu Labour madness ?

Incredibly,they are also awarding an honourary Knighthood to the American Senator Edward Kennedy who supported the murder of British soldiers and civilians by the terrorist scum of the IRA.

Yes, you've read that correctly, a man who supported the killing of British citizens is actually being given a knighthood by Britain.

ahad ha'amoratsim

"I would have thought Ms Phillips was greatly relieved that Hezbollah has refrained so far from going after Jews abroad." Peter, I'll bet you think it's hilarious to joke about the Jews that Hizbollah murdered in Argentina.

The Triguy

Oreo is right. Yes the grievances of groups may be different. But it's the method of communicating their complaints that is at the heart of the question. Show groups that murder works and they will use it to achieve their ends. Show them that it doesn't and the murder will stop. Be a target that doesn't strike back and you will be a target until they complete the job. Sorry Britian (and Europe in general) you've made youselves a target.

Stephen Gash

Bulgaria once banned Islamic parties because they were concerned about their potential influence due to the country's 12% Turkish minority. The EU said that for Bulgaria to join the EU it would have to recognise such parties. Once recognised the Turks voted for them and naturally, they formed an alliance with the socialists to form a ruling coalition.
The usual history is now repeating itself.
There is no "political wing" of Hezbollah. Its title means "the party of Allah". It is not like the Irish republican movement, with Sinn Fein and the IRA. Hezbollah is one movement just as Islam is. Islam has its own political and legal systems wrapped up in a religious package, to make it invulnerable to criticism. Whatever muslims do is OK, provided it is for the advance of Islam. Lying and murder are both acceptable.
Hezbollah and Hamas are overtly nazi parties as can be seen on the internet. They do not attempt to disguise the fact.
Jordan has requested Geert Wilders be extradicted to Jordan for defaming Islam. Will Germany, Austria and Holland request the extradiction of Hezbollah leaders for denying the Holocaust, brandishing the nazi salute and distributing Mein Kampf, which are all illegal in Germany and Holland, and the last, illegal in Holland?
Suicidal double standards are being applied by Western governments.
It is time the West insisted on citizenship rights be awarded to Palestinians living in muslim countries. At present even 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation Palestinians born in muslim countries are denied citizenship.

KateA

peter: "I would have thought Ms Phillips was greatly relieved that Hezbollah has refrained so far from going after Jews abroad."

Do you have reading/ comprehension problems? Perhaps you have poor eyesight. If the latter, I apologise.

87 Jews died in the attack in Buenos Aires; 300 were seriously injured. The bomb at the Israeli embassy killed 29 and injured 250. Whatever your 'problem' that is not a cause for levity.

It does though, say a great deal about those who wish only the elimination of Israel and all Jews. Stupid people who know nothing of the tenets and history of Islam; stupid people who believe they can save their own skins by handing over Israel and the Jews. Yeah! Some hope. Keep smirking peter.

Graeme Anderssen

Britain once played the role of lighthouse of wisdom and pillar of strength to the West and those aspiring to Western values. So much so that the then white Rhodesians committed themselves to the oblivion and entrusted their future to assurances of British backed security. Today us non-Britons (not necessarily ex Rhodesians) watch events and developments in the UK in utter dismay. We wonder where is this all heading. It does not look at all encouraging.

itlog95

Glenn Hysen; PLO, Hezbollah. What's the difference? The Israelis in 1982 were responding to shelling of Israeli settlements and it makes no difference what brand of scum were doing the shelling. The only solution that I can see is to obliterate them all. Let allah sort them out.

phil

peter
March 6th, 2009 2:02pm

I would have thought Ms Phillips was greatly relieved that Hezbollah has refrained so far from going after Jews abroad.
Perhaps you should join in her relief seeing as according to Pastor Niemoller ,you would be next-every so often we have the "pleasure" of reading your unintelligent opinions ,is it just possible we could hear something sensible from you other than pure anti.semitism -it is very boring after a while ,you no doubt have had the feeling when your eyes look to the sky and you murmur "oh not that idiot again"

Original Tony

Valentinus...nice puffed up English you have used, to impress yourself no doubt...but what point have you made? What have you actually said? A load of tripe that's what!