Imam commits hate crime against himself

Jenny

Faking injury against the Islamic community - straight out of the Hamas playbook!

Disturbed

One question WHY?....is this really even worth commenting upon....honestly you'd be forgiven for thinking you had an agenda Mel....

Disturbed

Maybe Mel you'll enlighten us on this from that other place you write on (Jewish Chronicle)from a piece called: "How Jewish is Rahm Emanuel? ....Can we call him kosher? Yes we can. The next man to occupy the office next to the Oval Office is ONE OF US...." (my emphasis)....now that is worth commenting on don't you think Mel?....

Jane

What an appropriate name, 'Disturbed'.

The person who wanted the incident commented upon was the imam who kicked the door in. It's Hamas-style victimhood propaganda.

You know the drill. Fake a situation in which Muslims have been attacked to make out it's always Muslims that are the victims, the press come to grovel and at debating events you get to cite such incidents as proof of Islamic victimhood.

It's your imam who wanted it commented upon. It's not Melanie's fault he's been caught out red-handed.

Looks to me like you're the one with an agenda, Disturbed - and, oh dear, Auntie Melanie has just exposed it for what it is.

Reap it.

Michael B

Such things should not be commented upon, they belong, resolutely, in the memory hole. Pallywood is like Hollywood, it's as real as each person, from their own perspective of what the truth is, desires it to be; all such relative forms of truth are absolute forms of truth, and to think or believe otherwise is absolute rubbish, relatively understood.

Ian G

Disturbed, if you don't understand why then you truly are...

Not Even Likely

Well, if this is proof that the good imam has nothing better to work with, then this is a positive story!

Marylou's America

His mosque? His security system? And he didn't think this would be recorded? What a genius.

david skinner

Some folks say that we must not mix religion with politics or everyday life but should keep it private. Who was it who said. “We do not do God“?

I am afraid Muslims will shortly give us no option. Secularism is no match for Islam and indeed may well be its servant. It might be contained in those suras of the Q’ran that tell the faithful to lie and deceive the infidel.

No folks, there will ultimately be only two people left around the table, the Judeo Christian and the Muslims. We either return to the Ten Commandments or Sharia. There are no other choices.

If Australia’s laws were still underwritten by the Bible, the matter would have been straight forward:

Exodus 20 16 says "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbour.

Deuteronomy 19:16ff says:

If a malicious witness takes the stand to accuse a man of a crime, the two men involved in the dispute must stand in the presence of the LORD before the priests and the judges who are in office at the time. The judges must make a thorough investigation, and if the witness proves to be a liar, giving false testimony against his brother, then do to him as he intended to do to his brother. You must purge the evil from among you. The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you. Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

stanley Jerusalem

Disturbed
March 24th, 2009 11:14pm
Are you disturbed, Disturbed? Read 'Londonistan'. The author's name is Melanie Phillips.
PS Never thought I'd write disturbed twice in one sentence let alone alomgside one another.

Felicitas

Islam, who said it is religion of peace?

No, it is religion of war, and misery

oliver

It is, indeed, a microcosm of the greater falsehood being perp'd on the West.

Beauchamp

He is known as "The Thick Sheik"

Linda Smith

My son-in-law, born and educated in Iraq, tells me that the Koran instructs every moslem to do jihad and spread Islam by the sword. He says Europe is asking for trouble by allowing Moslem immigration.

Interestingly, he also says that the Shia and Sunnis hate each other on doctrinal grounds more than they hate Jews, so I wonder if we are going to have Sunni/Shia internecine warfare played out in Europe.

Who started lying to the British public that Islam is a religion of peace - I certainly remember Tony Bliar repeatedly spouting that little porker. All those Anglo Useful Idiots spending their time criticising Israel, a foreign sovereign State which does not threaten Western values, would do better to concern themselves with the Islamic threat to themselves on their own home territory. Islamophobia is rational.

davo

I 'm impressed that the Aussies have no qualm about exposing the sheik publicly. kudos to them.
However i am not so sure that the same would have happened in the UK.
More likely the evidence would have been suppressed and the authorities apologised for the blatant racist attack whilst knowing the truth.

Linda Smith

Good to see that George Galloway's circus Viva Palestina is being investigated by the Charities Commission for giving money to Hamas. Galloway boasted they had raised a million and as he was photographed personally handing cash to Hamas. Let's see how he wriggles.

Lawrence

But David, what of we secularists who see both Islam and "Judeo-Christianity" (I've always struggled to grasp what that term means) as equally objectionable positions?

Give secularism a chance. Allah and all the rest will be merrily dicarded once the merry pair of science and capitalism come to Islam in a serious way. Reactionary, crackpot minorities present in every modern society notwithstanding, I know of no civilisations who have returned to religion AFTER marvelling at the wonder and reaping the benefits of science. In addition to this, the unbridled self-interest generated by consumer culture is far more powerful than the charms of some mad, mediaeval religious credos. Surely if we fear the great 'Islamic Beast' as I've heard it called in certain circles, we should a) encourage scientific literacy and innovation and b) stimulate serious, sustainable economic growth in Muslim countries.

One thousand years ago, Islam and Christendom were much the same in levels of religious fanaticism, patent stupidity, and general madness. If Europe can produce such a blossoming of brilliance and common sense as the Enlightenment, so can Islam.

Ronnyrotten

The school that my Grandson attends...Heathdale CHRISTIAN College has just knocked back an application by a muslim student teacher to do 'work experience' or whatever.
The school principal was of the opinion that she would feel uncomfortable at the morning staff meetings when prayers were said...CHRISTIAN prayers I might add.
Seems reasonable enough to me especially as there a very large ISLAMIC school about 10 minutes drive away.
However the muslim lady has now reported the CHRISTIAN school to the Australian version of the race relations bureau.
Forgive me for thinking this but it does all seem to be part of a plan.

phil

Disturbed aptly named but nevertheless thanks for your joke we all need humour .

Sam Armstrong

david skinner
March 25th, 2009 6:19am

Kindly explain why Japan does not have the Muslim problem. It's a godless state too, and dependent on mideast oil.

No David it's left-wing politics that's to blame, that's what started uncontrolled immigration and a rolling back of pride in the west.

By stating that secularism is weak, you sound as extreme as any Islamist.

Nonvexatious

This is the story of a very foolish man but to try and extrapolate from it some 'truth' about Islam or anything else makes no sense. The papers frequently carry stories about mentally ill people who have harmed themselves and made up stories about being attacked by 'hoodies'/'barack obama supporters'/whatever bogymen are currently being talked about in the press. Stupid, time-wasting, inflammatory behaviour, but the actions of individuals not representative of a whole group of people. For instance in 2004 a woman in France claimed she had been subjected to an anti-semitic attack; she turned out to have made it up. No one would claim that this somehow makes real anti-Semitic attacks any less abhorrent or likely to be true. So what's the point of the story?

stanley Jerusalem

Lawrence
March 25th, 2009 10:30am " Judeo-Christianity - (I've always struggled to grasp what that term means)"
It's a code of Laws and it means it's really Jewish but since the Goyim nicked it and still have the gall to have a conscience they call it Judeo-Christian in the hope that critics will give them points for being honest [after the theft].

stanley Jerusalem

BTW Islam produced Jihad and Christianity Crusades and Inquisition.
On the other hand Judaism appears to have produced .....sadly, Christianity and Islam. Somebody's still not getting it right.Reform and morph, reform and die, reform and everyone else dies?

Linda Smith

Ronnyrotten: the school principal was wrong to turn down the muslim student teacher's request for "work experience". It was not for the Principal to decide that the student teacher would feel uncomfortable at Christian prayers. That was for the student teacher to decide. Doubtless student doctors feel uncomfortable the first time they dissect a body. It's called learning from experience.

stanley Jerusalem

Lawrence
March 25th, 2009 10:30am "One thousand years ago, Islam and Christendom were much the same in levels of religious fanaticism, patent stupidity, and general madness. If Europe can produce such a blossoming of brilliance and common sense as the Enlightenment, so can Islam."
One thousand years ago Christianity and Islam suppressed one another and Judaism.The Enlightenment [in Europe] removed some of that. Guess who was most suppressed and guess which little ethnic group contributed DISPROPORTIONATELY [Oops!]to progress thereafter. Go on. Guess!The sad thing is the degree of rationalisation that has accompanied that removal of suppression. Like the oppressor blaming the victim for being there in the first place. " If it wasn't for your existence, i wouldn't have had to behave in such a bestial manner. It's all your fault!"

Linda Smith

Lawrence posted "I know no of no civilisations who have returned to religion AFTER marvelling at the wonder and reaping the benefits of science."

Wrong. The US has millions of devout and born-again Christians.

Original Tony

Well said Mr. Skinner.

My own opinion is that Judeo/Christendom is on the brink of major blood-letting with Islamic and surrogate forces. And it's also my opinion that Islam will be the losers.

stanley Jerusalem

Linda Smith
March 25th, 2009 11:31am You are trying to be naieve. The agenda of the Muslim teacher may not have been what you wish but something other. The Head was merely protecting his pupils, to whom he owes a duty of care, from that perceived agenda.The stated justification is entirely irrelevant and serves only to gives a degree of consideration to ameliorate potential bad feeling.Naievity is not anything to be proud of.Like a bribe, it blinds the wise and distorts the truth.

Disturbed

Brilliant! This is awesome...someone please have a go about the Rahm thing I posted above..please...

Linda Smith

Stanley Jerusalem: I wasn't trying to be naive, just fair. We don't know that the Muslim student teacher was devout or bigoted - or even religious. Some people genuinely want to learn about other faiths to broaden their understanding.

Lawrence

Stanley,
Thank you for enlightening me about 'Judeo-Christianity'. I was certain it had the smell of hypocrisy about it (though one would surely accept that Christianity does teach its followers to internalise that code of laws, emphasising private guilt rather than public shame as the currency of penance?)

Now, I very much doubt that Islam 'produced' the concept of jihad independently. Holy wars have surely been fought since history began, not least by the Israelites themselves. Militant Islam has simply run with a generic idea. Don't give it so much credit for creativity!

Linda,
Ah yes! America! True, intellectually America appears to be falling into a big dark hole; but surely the most deeply religious parts of America, inhabited by the descendants of eighteenth century puritan tobacco farmers (or something) could hardly be said to have fully realised the significance of science in the first place. Yes I know I'm trying to wriggle out of what I've said, yet I really doubt one can reasonably speak of 'America' as a single civilisation.

Original Tony

Disturbed...I will oblige you...just because Rahm is a Jew doesn't mean he's not anti-Jew or anti-Israel.

He is biggest, wettest, most vile left-winger yet to emerge in the current circus that THE O has brought to the screen.

I am looking forward to you squealing about how terrible America is at the end of the O's first and only term in office.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

It is shame, I am asking myself if the muslim Imams, Holy men, Sheiks or wherever they are behaving like this how are the other muslim sinners behaving?
Islam religion of peace?
I don't know....

david skinner

Lawrence, when I first read your entry I was lured into thinking you deserved a serious reply, nevertheless may I submit to you that I, as a Christian, also find both Islam and Judeo - Christianity objectionable. if you are referring to religions. For me God is my Father in Heaven and am one of his countless millions of children. This a personal relationship that is closer than my skin- not a religion. Religion is the slavish and fearful grovelling before an idol that needs constantly to be placated. I am a free citizen and co- heir with Jesus Christ of the Kingdom of God that is not of this world .

If we are talking about religion, however both Islam and Christian religion have histories of abuse of power and terror - nothing however anywhere near the scale of mass murder committed by secularist states such as France during the Terror, Fascist Germany, Communist Russia, China, Cambodia and present day North Korea. All of these were inspired by philosophers of the enlightenment , culminating in Darwin and Marx. Please don’t quote the Inquisition for, if you check the figures, this amounted to a few thousand and not the millions bandied about “religion- haters.”

Give secularism a chance you say. Have you not looked at the state of Britain, after 12 years of ultra secularist government? Have you not seen the state of our children with regard to violence, abortions, sexually transmitted diseases, alcohol and substance, internet pornography, mental illness, homelessness and a rising prison population? Please do not tell me that with just a little more cash, free school meals, city academies and happiness lessons then utopia will be achievable by 2012, 2030, 2080, 3080... Never.

When you say that when Muslim Countries - I assume you are referring to Saudi Arabia- achieve the same level of economic growth as us, from whom do you think Britain is borrowing money at the moment? Iran developing nuclear capability?

Did either technological or financial superiority save Manhattan from 9/11?
Finally Lawrence, do a check on the number of scientists who were and are Christians. You, on the other hand and obviously not being one, have picked up half -baked, popularist propaganda from that fraudster Richard Dawkins, with a faith and gullibility that would make any witch doctor green with envy.

david skinner

Sam Armstrong, dear or deary me. Any country that is totally dependent on Islam for oil and keeps its nose clean is of course is not going to have any bover. No what I mean?

phil

Disturbed -sorry you feel left out but nobody is interested in your nonsense -this is for grown ups .

david skinner

No Origianl Tony, I don't believe that at all.I believe that Islam will "win" and that Christians will go through tribulation and suffering never witnessed before. Then Jesus Christ will return to create a New Jerusalem, new Heaven and earth. I believe this to be so because it is written and foretold in the Bible. The greatest danger facing mankind today is not climate change, economic meltdown, pandemics or nuclear war but the return of Jesus Christ.

phil

david skinner if I had to choose who has said the most objectionable remarks between you and Lawrence you would win hands down-L has his views on secularism ,he did not insult the rest of us .but your remarks on Judeo /Christianity will have dismayed many -You are entitled to think and worship as you wish ,you have shown many times that you live in a world of your own ,that is your privilege ,but please do not deign to insult the rest of us ,the only thing that you know for sure is that Jesus was born and died Jew and a religious and pious one at that.I am sure you will know what sin is and you have just committed a big one What you have said is just as bad as what that stupid Imam did -I hope you will reflect now and pray for forgiveness. and hope that those here on earth will give it too you too.

stanley Jerusalem

david skinner
March 25th, 2009 2:01pm
"Please don’t quote the Inquisition for, if you check the figures, this amounted to a few thousand and not the millions bandied about “religion- haters.”
Perhaps so but it probably wasn't a whole bag of laughs for those who had their imaginations stretched and their seats of learning warmed up in auto da fees.
On second thoughts it begins to smell like the stench of Holocaust denial but 500 years late.Anyway, why would you wish to minimise such barbaric acts at the hands of Christ's followers irrespective of one or a million victims?
Do I sense a whitewash drawing nigh?
[ sorry we ain't got no acute and grave accents]

Lawrence

David,
I'm having some trouble interpreting your reply, but I really think you've misunderstood me. I was simply suggesting that the seductive power of the narcissistic, materialist, bourgeois lifestyle (which owes such a debt to the Enlightenment) is foe which no religion can hope to overcome in the long term. Concepts of personal liberty and property ownership simply seem far more attuned to the lower, egoistic impulses of human nature than religious nonsense ever could be. I hold no particular candle for this way of life, basically empty as it is, but it has the merit of breaking a certain spell. The Enlightenment is not over yet!

Regarding your gratuitous reference to our Saudi creditors: no of course I was not exclusively referring to Saudi Arabia. I would have thought it evident through its context that my reference to 'serious, sustainable economic growth in Muslim countries' regards the possibility of establishing a stable middle class in what are presently third-world nations: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia, et al. It was emphatically not a recommendation for indebting ourselves to some mad middle-eastern plutocracy.
It's just common sense, really!

Australians for Non-Bigoted Thinking

Some Comments of Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali

1.Scantily clad women to uncovered meat- Full Quote.

"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?"

“The uncovered meat is the problem.” -implying it's the woman's fault if she gets raped.

“If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred.”

While not directly referring to a case where a Lebanese rapist, Bilal Skaf, received 55 years for being the leader of a brutal gang of rapists who, on three occasions, raped four young women in a gang consisting of varying numbers of men, up to about fourteen, the Sheik said:

There were women who “sway suggestively” and wore make-up and immodest dress ... “and then you get a judge without mercy and gives you 65 years”.

“But the problem, but the problem all began with who?” he asked.

2.Comment made to Muslim students regarding Jews at the University of Sydney in 1988.

“The Jews try to control the world through sex, then sexual perversion, then the promotion of espionage, treason and economic hoarding.”

3.Comments regarding the recent Gazan campaign by the IDF.

He branded Israeli leaders, as “butchers” whose “Zionist racism” was creating another Holocaust.

“When we remember the atrocities of the Holocaust - it seems that what we are seeing is another Holocaust,”

“It is not just about numbers of people killed - thousands as opposed to millions - but the atrocity itself, and here we have similar atrocities.”

Talk about PERVERSE LOGIC and whipping up UNJUSTIFIED ANTI-SEMETIC HATRED.

phil

.Comment made to Muslim students regarding Jews at the University of Sydney in 1988.

Australians for Non-Bigoted Thinking
March 25th, 2009 3:15pm -------------------
“The Jews try to control the world through sex, then sexual perversion, then the promotion of espionage, treason and economic hoarding.”----------------------

its not fair i missed out on all that -I have to admit I would not have known much about espionage and treason but maybe the sheik did :)

Original Tony

David Skinner...Christians are under Grace, not wrath...we will go before the tribulation in the rapture, I am convinced of that.

And it's not far off for those that mock our bliefs...

stanley Jerusalem

Original Tony
March 25th, 2009 4:08pm
"And it's not far off for those that mock our bliefs..."

I'm not mocking your bliefs.

david skinner

Steady Phil, if Christ crucified generates this amount of offence in the good times what will it be when real oppression comes, in the not too distant future. The truth always sends people either into towering rage and gnashing teeth, or it softens their hearts, clarifies their minds and sets them free. What precisely has caused you offence? I might or might not be able- or permitted - to answer you. As for your telling me what I am and am not sure about, isn’t this a tad presumptuous. How do you know what I am sure of?

Stanley, I am in no way minimising the atrocities of the Inquisition. The context of my statement was the proposition that religion is the cause of the all the misery in the world, whereas secularism is leading us to nirvana. Who mentioned anything about denying the holocaust? And whilst we are on the topic, you are aware that Britain, alone, has destroyed almost seven million young lives, whilst still in their mothers’ womb. Is this what the welfare state, or the government’s Surestart programme for children means?

Four weeks ago I watched a 78 year old man, Edward Atkinson, who could barely walk, through being denied hospital treatment from the Queen Elizabeth Hospital, King’s Lynn Hospital, being carted off to Norwich prison for daring to expose the horrors of abortion on demand. He received precisely the same prison sentence as Lord Ahmed who had killed a man but who was released after only 18 or 19 days. Ted Atkinson is a Christian who loves the Lord Jesus Christ and children, especially those who are in the most dangerous place on earth these days, in the mother’s womb.
It really is later in the day than we think and the night is drawing in.

Britain will reap the most terrible whirlwind. God is not mocked. And many, including myself, believe that means Islam. Now whether I live in a world of my or not is beside the point. The question is: is all that we see around us, especially with regard to the break up of the family and marriage and the trampling on God’s laws, the sign of a new age going through its birth pangs or does it denote the death of a once great nation?

david skinner

Origianl Tony, all that may well be true but when we get there, we will be asked what did we do to warn our families, neighbours, friends, colleagues and those we pass in the street. In addition to the rapture, I also believe in eternal hell. Not a concept that will endear me to many, except those who in God's grace have their hearts and minds opened.

Suffolkbor

When the Sheikh disappeared out of sight of the security camera is it possible that he slipped on a Welly with which to kick the door ?
If so then a D.N.A. test from say , a skin fragment from one of his bunions, may secure a conviction .

MotherKafir

It is related with poverty, war, killing, molesting, stoning, killing, abusing woman, blood, honour killing etc, the latest news about honour killing is a 16 years old Indian muslim girl been set on fire and killed by four men just talking to a friend, Why did they kill if they are from religion of peace? are this muslim men thinking they are God's gift to the world? Where is justice for this innocent girls? more killing, raping, terrorising, lying, stealing
Islam is it religion of peace?????

stanley Jerusalem

david skinner - My reference to denial was owing to the manner in which you appeared to trivialise the extent of the Inquisition.I am fairly certain that its influence extended to considerably more than 'a few thousand.' From recent genetic
studies there appear to be a considerable percentage of Spanish and Portuguese descended from Marranos and from Anusim - Jews who were forcibly converted or fled from persecution - both in the Iberian Peninsular and the Carribean. At least a half of Greek and Turkish Jewry owe their origins to what occurred at the other end of the Mediterranean,so 'a few thousand' doesn't nearly cover it. Have a look at the passenger lists of Columbus' three vessels if you want to read the names of the Jewish refugees. That's not counting the poor Christians across Europe who suffered at the hands of these zealots who sublimated their thirst for power and the infliction of pain and death on those too weak to stand up to them.'A few thousand' just won't do.
Also remember what Elie Wiesel answered those critics of the Jewish survivors of the Nazi inspired Holocaust when failing to receive forgiveness which was felt to be overdue. " To receive forgiveness you will need to ask the people whom you have murdered. We are not qualified to grant forgiveness, only they are."

phil

DAVID Skinner "Steady Phil, if Christ crucified generates this amount of offence in the good times what will it be when real oppression comes," HE CAUSES ME NO OFFENCE WHATSOEVER. there is no mention in my post of anything to infer that .I have the greatest respect for the people of your religion but they would not have said what you did ,quote--I, as a Christian, also find both Islam and Judeo - Christianity objectionable. -how can you justify that ?Original Tony is a very committed Christian and never insults us like that ,----------------

My closest friend is also a very committed Christian who shows her Christianity in the good deeds she does every day ,she has no problem being my friend nor being the wife of a man who is not religious ,so why did you have to say such a thing -Your right to believe is your privilege , as is mine and Lawrence,s not to -That is where we differ .What all this has to do with the crazy Imam is beyond me -he represents himself ,just as you do .

Ronnyrotten

Linda....in todays local paper there is a report on the teachers problems.It seems that she was advised by the University of Victoria that she would have problems at such a school as Heathdale and perhaps should apply to another school in the area.She,herself, admitted that there were other schools in the area which are not Christian at which she could have done the two subjects,mathematics and french,which she said Heathdale offered.
Sounds like a stitch up to me.Probably be sueing the school next for hurt and whatever.Any damages she receives will certainly help pay off her HECS fees,(for non Aussies that's the fees paid by students to the Govt.
Ps. the lady in question is 35 years of age so I don't think that she is being naive in this case.

Ronnyrotten

It seems that at the ISLAMIC school 5kms.away from the CHRISTIAN school the female teachers HAVE to wear a headscarf regardless of their religion or observance of.
Nice to know that islam values everyone elses views.

Oliwagino Alefava Yihiri

Linda Smith, Imagine a Christan Nun teacher applies a job in Islamic religious school because she wants to find out or learn the other faith, I don't think the Islamic school would of allow her to teach because she is what she is, here the muslim teacher wants to teach in a Christian school, what made you think it is okay? in my personal experience the muslim women are everywhere now a days, I see muslim women wearing Hijabs and they are hanging around in a pub, Galleries, cinemas, dancing places, TV game shows and now they want to teach in a Christian school, let's not be naive but this is not a good idea

phil

David skinner I see no apology for the offence you have caused -perhaps you should be at least as concerned by the pain you cause to other humans as you are to your feelings .That was a most malicious suggestion you made ,not only hurtful to me but it caused original Tony to think we were criticising his religious beliefs too ,and nothing could be further from the truth .You consider yourself a deeply religious man but you need a soul too and one that is considerate of others .

david skinner

Dear Phil, I have already attempted to make an apology but it was never posted by the moderators- or simply got lost. But I do apologise for not making myself clear in the first instance. But you only quoted the first half of my sentence which in its entirety read:

“I, as a Christian, also find both Islam and Judeo - Christianity objectionable, if you are referring to religions.” ( admittedly, in the original, there is a full- stop, rather than a comma after “objectionable” - I apologise for that also ).

I was trying to draw the distinction between religion and faith. In my answer to you that went walk- about I pointed out that Abraham did not have religion; there was no temple, no Levitical law. There was only this direct contact with God. ( Stanley will correct me as I don’t know the Jewish of God). As for his sacrificing his son Isaac, he did not think this unusual for the culture out of which he had come and the surrounding religions all practised human sacrifice. Abraham had learnt to trust God and therefore he was able to trust him in this test. God supplied the sacrifice himself and later, supremely by supplying his only Son Jesus Christ as an end to all sacrifices. He footed the bill for all of mankind’s sins.

Religion I equate with idolatry, and there is plenty of it about, especially in the Church that has constructed a God of its making. A giveaway expression is when some archbishop says “ I like to think of God as a woman, a homosexual, a mother, a blade of grass, myself, a teapot…………”

No Phil, I am not a deeply religious man. You said that. And as for pain and suffering I have caused, I hope you have as much concern for the pain and suffering caused, not only by this government, but a disengaged, dysfunctional, pharisaic and religious Church that says nothing about 200 000 babies a year being torn apart in their mothers’ wombs, in Britain alone, as human sacrifices to the gods of expediency and consumerism.

phil

David Skinner apology accepted -I also do not believe in religion per se -but I take moral guidance from those parts that fit with my idea of proper behaviour.human to human ,be it from Christianity.Islam or Judaism , -I try my best to do unto others as I would be done by.I do not of course always achieve it .I also in my more "experienced":) part of my life try to influence society in what I perceive a better way ,because I also believe we get what we deserve if we just complain and do nothing to try to change things. ----------

Here is a place to get plenty of abuse as well as posting relationships that can be most fulfilling as well as enlightening .I have "met" many wonderful people of all faiths along the way for whom I have the greatest respect and too numerous to single out ,but they will know who I mean .------

You mentioned earlier about Abraham and sacrifice ,I do not believe any of that and I see it as illustrating how mans mind can be influenced by religion and yet in more lucid moments he will know how appalling some of our teachings can be .I accept there is a maker and he gave me a soul and a conscience and I try to obey my instincts so when and if I meet him I hope he will accept I tried my best and will not send me to that place called hell that I am sad you believe exists.Perhaps our friend the laird will represent your rights ,that carl will hold open the door for you and Sin will read you the rules for they will surely be there .,but truthfully I do not believe you will be going there :) -My friend Stanley will be holding the pearly gates for your path to paradise ,but sorry no sultanas and like in Liverpool ,no virgins either .

Linda Smith

Oliwagino Alefava Yihiri: "I see muslim women wearing Hijabs and they are hanging around in a pub."

I thought muslims were not supposed to drink alcohol. So why go to a pub? I know they don't have to drink alcohol, but pubs signify alcohol. Seems odd to me that an observant Muslim would frequent a pub.