
[Par] 12.9 At 09:33hrs ’Frank’ needed to urinate in a plastic container while inside the observation van. At this time he saw a male person exit the flats. He described the person as IC/1 (Identity Code 1- White) 5’8”, dark hair, beard / stubble, blue denim jacket, blue jeans and wearing trainers. He checked the photographs of the suspects that he had been provided with and transmitted over the radio to his colleagues that ‘it would be worth somebody else having a look’. He was unable to switch on the video camera while using his radio. The person sighted coming out of the flats was Jean Charles DE MENEZES…But then in the conclusion of the report we are told this:
[Par} 20.39 At 09:33hrs Jean Charles DE MENEZES left his flat. ’Frank’, was unable to take any video coverage owing to the need to urinate. He did however transmit a comment after checking the photographs of the suspects that ‘It would be worth somebody close having a look’.So was ‘Frank’ unable to switch on the video camera because he was relieving himself (par 20.39), or because he was using the radio (par 12.9)? Why don’t these accounts match up? A small detail, perhaps — but there are many other details that don't ring true; and so you can’t help feeling by the end of this report that just possibly not everyone involved has told the truth here.
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dearieme
November 13th, 2007 11:50amPerhaps the explanation is that he didn't have three hands.
Simon Barnett
November 15th, 2007 7:00pm"Is it really likely that, if the police shoot dead a man on the basis that they believe he is a terrorist, they will not immediately look for identification on the body to ensure they have shot the person they think they have shot?" Yes. I for one would be highly reticent with regards approaching the body of a suspected terrorist that might still be wearing a home-made suicide vest. Even without the possibility of said supposed terrorist detonating such a device it is worth noting that TAPT, the peroxide based explosive of choice for the Jihadi, is extremely volatile. Personally I would be prepared to wait for just as long as it took for the bomb squad to declare the scene safe before I went fishing about in the victims pockets. Mistakes were made. We should learn from them and move on. Maybe that process will require accountability at the highest level, and maybe that will include Blairs departure. That decision should be made at an operational level, not a political one. But I for one am glad that there are still police officers willing to run towards a man they believe (however erroneously) might explode at any moment (just as I am horrified that there are "police" that would watch a boy drown). I am further glad that even in a post 9/11 climate we have yet had only one such cock up. Bazils own record of 800 fatal police shootings per year is much less enviable. In summation, let us be critical, but let us be so in an effort to minimise the chances of this sort of tradgedy recurring, whilst realising that such situations may, even with the best management and resources, be sometimes unavoidable. Let's take into account that the Police do a difficult job in near impossible circumstances, and that by over vilifying them here we run the risk that we may discredit and therefore damage the first line of defence against the Jihad on the streets of this country.
Simon Barnett
November 16th, 2007 4:46pmPerhaps in future we miught avoid such tradgedies by asking the terrorists wore uniforms whilst waging their war against us (as per the strictures of the Geneva convention). Perhaps if they might also consider ceasing to use the general population as a human shield and collateral damage as an exercise in propoganda that would be nice too. Whatever blame attaches to the Met from this incident, the responsibility remains squarely with the terrorists.