
The incomparable Khaled abu Toameh, the Palestinian Jerusalem Post journalist who tells the truth about Israel and the Palestinians, has been visiting American campuses – and found more sympathy there for Hamas than in Ramallah. Not from Arab or Muslim students – but from western so-called liberals. This is what he writes:
Listening to some students and professors on these campuses, for a moment I thought I was sitting opposite a Hamas spokesman or a would-be-suicide bomber. I was told, for instance, that Israel has no right to exist, that Israel’s ‘apartheid system’ is worse than the one that existed in South Africa and that Operation Cast Lead was launched only because Hamas was beginning to show signs that it was interested in making peace and not because of the rockets that the Islamic movement was launching at Israeli communities.
... What struck me more than anything else was the fact that many of the people I met on the campuses supported Hamas and believed that it had the right to ‘resist the occupation’ even if that meant blowing up children and women on a bus in downtown Jerusalem.
I never imagined that I would need police protection while speaking at a university in the U.S. I have been on many Palestinian campuses in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and I cannot recall one case where I felt intimidated or where someone shouted abuse at me.
Ironically, many of the Arabs and Muslims I met on the campuses were much more understanding and even welcomed my ‘even-handed analysis’ of the Israeli-Arab conflict. After all, the views I voiced were not much different than those made by the leaderships both in Israel and the Palestinian Authority. These views include support for the two-state solution and the idea of coexistence between Jews and Arabs in this part of the world.
...The majority of these activists openly admit that they have never visited Israel or the Palestinian territories. They don’t know -and don’t want to know - that Jews and Arabs here are still doing business together and studying together and meeting with each other on a daily basis because they are destined to live together in this part of the world. They don’t want to hear that despite all the problems life continues and that ordinary Arab and Jewish parents who wake up in the morning just want to send their children to school and go to work before returning home safely and happily.
What is happening on the U.S. campuses is not about supporting the Palestinians as much as it is about promoting hatred for the Jewish state. It is not really about ending the ‘occupation’ as much as it is about ending the existence of Israel.
...What is happening on these campuses is not in the frame of freedom of speech. Instead, it is the freedom to disseminate hatred and violence. As such, we should not be surprised if the next generation of jihadists comes not from the Gaza Strip or the mountains and mosques of Pakistan and Afghanistan, but from university campuses across the U.S.
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phil
March 26th, 2009 11:47pmThis is precisely what I have written here earlier today on another thread -too many come here to write for sport without any care for the consequences on both sides .Until those people learn to care to make peaceful suggestions instead of distilling hatred there will be no future for the children of either side ,and even less so for the children of Gaza which I do not want to see .
Worried
March 27th, 2009 12:04amThis echoes my experiences in the UK. Out of the 20 or so non Israeli Middle Easterners who are aware of my creed, beyond the rare (perhaps sarcastic?) comment that Jews have all the money (FYI, I thought the Saudis did, but we'll leave that one for now), never been insulted or subject to serious prejudice. On the other hand, over the last few years, literally every white Brit or European has spouted some of the most shocking and dishonest vitriol if the Middle East or Jews come up on conversation, news broadcast etc. (I never being either up.) The syntax of the remarks is worrying, (and heart breaking), because they start with things like "You Jews xxxxxx." or "How can you justify XXXXX?" I remind them I'm British, have nothing to do with what goes on elsewhere and that at the very least, they aught to ask my opinion first.
Hurts.
Heart breaking.
Stephen
March 27th, 2009 12:06amIf democracy works why is it that Jews and Arabs (Christian and Muslim) cannot live in the same state?
Jane
March 27th, 2009 1:19amWell, ain't that the truth.
We see it on the comments section here day in and day out with the abuse from George Laird, who although he is not representative entirely of Glasgow university, represents a poisonous strain of thought many of us know exists on university campuses.
We also saw it in the goings on reported in Melanie's Terror in Academia post on this site a while back.
It is, alas, all too easy to take intelligent young people and sell them something dishonest. Many of them do simply do not have the historical knowledge or the debating skills to take on the Marxian lecturers who are cultivating all this poison. How can they? Their age puts them at a huge disadvantage. And even if they were to see through it (as some students who write to Melanie do), why would they upset their lecturers who will be marking their work?
What's the best way to get marks from teacher? To do what teacher wants.
The students know that, which is why when they write to Melanie they have to ask for their names to be kept anonymous from the public.
Did anyone catch the recent repeat of Antony Sher in The History Man on BBC4? It's a potted dramatisation, not about attitudes to Israel in universities, but of the modus operandi of the Left in institutions of higher education.
Its main concern is with a Marxian lecturer, Howard Kirk, who, as Peter Hitchens describes him, is a "merciless, troublemaking commissar and thought policeman".
In Malcolm Bradbury's story, you see all the different elements of thought control the Left put in to play in universities and thence into the wider world.
As I say, it's not specifically about Israel, but if you want to see how the Left does it, The History Man makes absolutely shattering reading.
Peter Hitchens puts it up with 1984 and Brave New World. I have to agree with that. What was just poison confined to a few campuses in the 1970s has been replicated many times over and has now reached a global scale.
What Atlas Shrugged is to how the Left spreads its venom into economics, The History Man is to how the Left pumps poison into cultural debate.
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2008/01/should-the-hist.html
Michael B
March 27th, 2009 1:32amVipers and venomists, fronting their malignancies with an ideological gloss, and institutionalized by agents such as the UNHRC and, too often, the U.N. in general.
Tomg
March 27th, 2009 1:47amStephen:
They do live in the same states in the West and in Israel, which has more than a million Arab and Muslim citizens with full citizenship rights. Democracy does work quite well in this respect. In certain totalitarian dictatorships and theocracies (e.g. Saudi Arabia, Iran) they cannot, to say the least.
Jason from AZ
March 27th, 2009 2:09amI had previously linked to Kaled's article a couple of days ago in response to Melanie's blog pointing out the Guardian's Israel/Jew hate publications.
Jew hatred has been around for centuries and once again has become epidemic. Only now it is disguised as Israel or Zionist hatred.
Just today - the most widely distrubed cartoonist in the world, Oliphant, published an anti-semitic - oh, I mean anti-Israel - cartoon, reproduced in major newspapers that harkens back to Germany in the 1930's.
At this point, I can't see any end in sight to the paradigm of worldwide Jew hatred masquarading as sympathy for Palestinians and hatred for Israel.
Should Jews riot in the streets like the Muslims when the Danish cartoons were printed? I don't think so. While blogs like Melanie's are great for pointing out this distressing state of affairs, sad to say Jew hatred will probably only get worse and more generally accepted as the years pass.
gary
March 27th, 2009 3:58amQuote - "You Jews xxxxxx." or "How can you justify XXXXX?" I remind them I'm British, have nothing to do with what goes on elsewhere and that at the very least, they aught to ask my opinion first.
Ask them why they've chucked out their enlightenment heritage and returned to medieaval Christian attitudes about Jews. They executed a Jew if his evidence disputed their own views.
That's where were at now. Western humanitarianism, in it's attitude towards Jews, is no different than medieaval Christian superstitions and slanders about Jews. That's the western tradition they've inherited.
Miranda Rose Smith
March 27th, 2009 6:51amDid it ever occur to anyone besides me that these Jew haters on U.S. campuses don't really care about the "Palestinians," except as cat's paws to finish off Israel for them? If they wanted to help the "Palestinians," they would be telling the Arab states in general and Jordan in particular to do what they should have done 60 years ago and take in the "Palestinian" refugees, who are culturally and linguistically and every other way ARABS. Western (amd Israeli) liberals are perfectly willing to have the "Palestinians" living under Hamas.
Also, even the destruction of Israel, G-d forbid, would not solve the "Palestinian" refugee problem. There would be a hideous war between "Palestine" and Jordan, in all probability a hideous civil war between the Sunnis and the Shi'ites or between Hamas and Fatah, hundreds of thousands of people would be fleeing the region, probably headed for France and Spain since no Middle Eastern state would let them in.
Miranda Rose Smith
March 27th, 2009 6:55amDid it ever occur to anyone besides me that the fact that a lot of people call Israel an apartheid country means that a lot of people are faking when they pretend to be moved by Anne Frank, may the al-mighty avenge her blood? Anyone who thinks Israel is an apartheid country thinks Anne Frank and her family were running an apartheid attic.
stanley Jerusalem
March 27th, 2009 6:58amStephen
March 27th, 2009 12:06am
"If democracy works why is it that Jews and Arabs (Christian and Muslim) cannot live in the same state?"
Are we discussing the doctors at Glasgow Airport here?
Joe
March 27th, 2009 7:10amStephen - the more interesting question is if Islam is a religion of peace why are Arab Christians being forced out of their homelands?
Ros
March 27th, 2009 7:59amStephen: What is your question above? If you are referring to Israel, then Jews and Arabs (Muslims?) and Christians do work together in the same state. It's called Israel and 20% of Israel's population is Arab. It's the only democracy in the Middle East where they do!
Margaret Muller-Johansson
March 27th, 2009 8:20amOh well, they never been in Middle East, they are white liberal university students or professors, I think Khalid is a clever man who understands very well this kind of people, this white liberals who never travelled, never witness violence, never been outside their own little world like going to school, having a good jobs, shopping, holiday in Mexico, Florida or the Caribbean are the most ignorant fascist racist and stupidest people in the world and i can say one thing they can even be more violence, rude, propaganda makers, liars and dangerous then the muslim terrorists, also this kind of people you can find them here,
in Europe
Straydingo
March 27th, 2009 8:24amStephen, I am struggling to understand your post - clearly, you have no understanding of Israel's history or make up i.e. for example appropriately 25% of its population is of Arab decent.
Israel's democracy works just fine within its boarders and is no different than that of the UK, Australia, USA etc.
It's obvious from your post that you don't believe in democracy and no doubt still hold a burning candle out for Marxist, Socialist ideologies - or have you managed to develop a new system of government?
What are your proposed solutions - please tell me as I am eager to understand what your views are?
stanley Jerusalem
March 27th, 2009 8:55amMiranda Rose Smith
March 27th, 2009 6:51am
"There would be a hideous war between "Palestine" and Jordan,"
They have already had one in the 70's. Tens of thousands died and the innocent and peace-loving Palestinians were kicked out by the late King Hussein when they failed a coup d'etat.
"Nice people to do business with"
Mutatis mutandis -[Fatah & Hamas]
andre
March 27th, 2009 9:14amWorried - you are right. I am a white middle aged middle class catholic - who lived in Israel for a year and a day in my now distant youth. It fired my imagination then and i have always enjoyed reading of Israel, the early settlers, Ben Gurion, Herzl et al. It forms a deep reference point in my life - and a reflection for my faith. I know what it is to go down to Jericho, to walk the fields and meadows of Galilee and to sit in the evening silence of Jerusalem. Yet I cannot easily speak of my love for Israel among my fellows. This particularly is true of the intellectual wing. Everyday working class folk here (Britain) remain deeply suspicious and contemptuous of Islam and Arab nationalism. Their sympathies tend to Israel, in my experience. My concern is that this too will be rolled up. Already i feel like an eccentric proposing - in polite conversation - continued and unconditional support for Israel. This troubles me.
Trumpeldor
March 27th, 2009 9:32amMelanie,
I was very upset by your former newspaper "Daily Telegraph"
A comment in yesterday edition wrote such criticizms againt Bibi that I thought I was reading "al guardian"!
UK betrayed the Jewish people so many times
-1923 Unilatal carving of uk mandate with give up of 2/3 of the mandate to Sherif Faycal to become (Trans)Jordan
-Refusal to let jewish refugees on uk mandate soil (white paper)
-Handover of strategic points to arab legions in 48 and active support for this legion
-active hostility toward Israel when Hagana repelled Egyptian troops in the Sinai and ensuing dogfights between RAF and IDF spitfires (5 brits shot down!)
The current UK hostility toward Jews and Israel is not new and only continues Uk foreign policy
Simon Denis
March 27th, 2009 9:41amI think Jane is more on the ball than Gary. What we have here is not religious anti-semitism and no, it is not racial. It is the latest in a long line of obscene "causes" promoted by that cultural phenomenon known as "the left". These include support for the Khmer Rouge, the Viet Cong, the IRA and Uncle Joe Stalin. They are always angry; they fly in the face of both evidence and decency and they are above all sympathetic to violence. It is as though an attitude to one's own society, which began as sceptical and critical, has degenerated into knee-jerk self-hatred - a poisonous, unthinking orthodoxy of revolution for its own sake. In the course of this decline, whole rafts of well established intellectual practice, such as consistency, logic and objectivity, have been jettisoned as "Western" or "bourgeois". The master spirits of this unspeakably decadent and sinister development are Marxists such as Derrida and Althusser. Their malignant influence could be heard this morning on Radio Four, with some silly little man explaining that different groups in society - he wasn't specific, but we know who he has in mind - must have museum collections differently explained and presented, poor dears. As though we are not all simply human; as though we are not all able to read; as though mere reason were not in its nature freely available to everyone. But these are people who think that "reason" is "white" and "male". As for Israel, they look upon it as a state which having based itself on a long ethno-cultural tradition, having chosen to be a Jewish state, has committed the ultimate sin. Busy trying to knock the whole of Western Europe off her cultural foundations, they are offended to the core that one such nation should fly in the face of their project. This is the origin of today's vile hatred of Israel. It drifts from the fetid pond of the far left - in its way, every bit as loathsome and murderous as the far right. What is most depressing is the way in which the language and even the very name of liberalism have been colonised and subverted by these creatures.
Margaret Muller-Johansson
March 27th, 2009 10:37amJane and stanley Jerusalem, you are very funny you make me laugh
"Are we discussing the doctors at Glasgow Airport here?"
it is a good question,
it makes me think
phil
March 27th, 2009 11:27amSimon Denis--Simon it is a lot simpler than many think -it is the hatred of those who see the success of others and cannot emulate it themselves -like those that vandalise cars and hate you for your achievements .It is also easy to point the figure at a minority and feel comfortable in a gang .you see it with children in a more innocent way, bullying those that are more balanced or weaker than them -This is a sickness in human beings and is becoming out of control ----------
-last night I watched question time and saw Eric Pickles become a victim of the mob on the subject of MP,s expenses ,whether he was right or wrong was not relevant ,he just never got a chance to state his case ,the mob being aided and abetted by the chairman or ringmaster as I would better describe him .To me this is symptomatic of what is happening in our universities that are now open to all and sundry almost regardless of ability and many with large debts which they resent ,people who will drop out or never achieve anything other than a rather useless degree ,Those are the ones who look at the "fat cats " and seek solace in derision -its not a far cry from the nineteen thirties when hitler could tell his starving people that it wasn't their fault that they could not feed their families ,he blamed the Jews of course ,a visible minority many of whom were successful -I think you will follow the gist .
stanley Jerusalem
March 27th, 2009 11:29amMargaret Muller-Johansson
March 27th, 2009 10:37am
"Jane and stanley Jerusalem, you are very funny you make me laugh"
While admitting to using laughter as a sometimes very sharp weapon I fail to see anything to smile at in Jane's excellent summary of the sickness in today's academic societies. Then again, it could be my sense of humour Margaret. But it does make one think, for sure.
John Lea
March 27th, 2009 11:47amJane - what a fantastic blog! I, too read The History Man recently and could not believe how accurately it describes life in a modern redbrick university. I've worked in higher education for 5 years and know only too well that the place is run by pained white liberals (people like George Laird, who is, unfortunately, all too representative) - people who talk constantly about the importance of multi-culturalism, sexual equality, gay rights, education for all and widening social access (i.e. let them in because they're poor, not because they're able). They believe Hamas is a legitimate political party, support the idea of a free Palestine (of course), and hold Israel guilty of illegal occupation and all sorts of war crimes. If you disagree with them, they call you a racist and/or an elitist. That's their automatic response to anyone who dares hold an opinion - no matter now rational or well argued - that differs from their own.
stanley Jerusalem
March 27th, 2009 11:52amMargaret Muller-Johansson - Some years ago I watched a gripping film on TV in which a delightful family at home,eating a meal together,were violently interrupted by a small but determined gang of vicious killers who held them hostage while using their apartment as an vantage point from which to assassinate a public figure across the road. Our entire sympathies went out to the family and the manner in which individual members had responded to their brutal treatment and our anger was reserved for the bullying tactics of the hit squad.The film was shown during the height of the Cold War in the 60's and close to its denouement it was revealed that the location of the family flat was in Moscow and the thugs were members of the British Secret Service.
My question about the 'Glasgow Doctors' was meant in a like vein.
We seem so busy correcting others' perceived shortcomings.
stanley Jerusalem
March 27th, 2009 12:04pmJohn Lea
March 27th, 2009 11:47am
"I've worked in higher education for 5 years and know only too well that the place is run by pained white liberals"
How do we rid ourselves of such malignancy? Are they too deeply embedded to be ousted? What hope is there for the future of academic excellence and reasoned argument in such an environment? Have we seen its like before? What can we do? What has happened to the senior figures in Academe that they remain silent and inert in face of such palpable evil and sickness in their institutions?
Mark
March 27th, 2009 12:18pmMalcom Bradbury's 'The History Man' was written in 1975, and set in 1972. The idea that it might stand in for British university life in 2009 is as blissfully comic as some of the uninformed harrumphing on this post.
Olaf Rye
March 27th, 2009 12:44pmI just wanted to say that Simon Denis has succinctly stated the real evil that lurks in society today. The hatred of liberalism, our shared cultural heritage, is deep and vicious. All our critics do not want to see more freedom--they want to see their world-view imposed on us by force of arms. Notice how they call anyone that wants to remove government regulation and control from our lives as fascist, whilst not seeing the perverted irony when they insist on more control. Indeed, they hate the police and armed forces but want them to enforce their laws to suppress any dissent from their leftist orthodoxy. Israel, like western culture, is under direct attack from these cocktail party revolutionaries. We can only be thankful that they are too effete and enervated to be competent soldiers ... but this only makes them operate in the shadows of bureaucracy, in universities and schools, and in the media. My God, the post-war dream has become a nightmare and the enemy is entrenched in all our political and cultural institutions.
Margaret Muller-Johansson
March 27th, 2009 12:57pmTrue, I agree with you stanley Jerusalem
John Lea
March 27th, 2009 1:11pmFor those who have not yet read the The History Man, it follows the adventures of Howard Kirk, a sociology lecturer at a redbrick university, who presses his own left-wing agenda on the students in his classes. His seminars are (intentionally) haphazard affairs, and students are allowed to sit where they like and do what they want, so long as their political views chime with Howard's. In one memorable episode he fails a bright student for expressing 'unacceptable' right-wing views in an essay. The HM is, amongst other things, a satire on political correctness, post-60s radicalism, and their influence on the modern universities. As someone who works in HE, and is in daily contact with lecturers and administrators, I can assure you it remains as relevant today as when it was written. Perhaps more so.
Mark - your point is a non sequitar. 1984 was published in 1949, and was written as an attack on Stalinist Russia. Does that fact mean it has nothing to say about Britain in 2009? Of course not. The same principle applies to The History Man.
Jenny
March 27th, 2009 1:28pmMark, March 27th, 2009 12:18pm, The History Man remains as relevant and informative to events going on today as 1984 and Brave New World.
The times may have have changed but the mindset is exactly the same only now we are reaping the consequences on a global scale.
Mark
March 27th, 2009 1:35pmJohn Lea - I teach in one university, and lecture in others. I do not see the picture you are attempting to portray as in any way an accurate one. Might it not be the result of your dismay at finding that some, or most of colleagues happen not to share your views?
I'm not, incidentally, a 'pained' liberal - I too dislike knee-jerk positions taken on, in this instance,Israel. I'm compelled to challenge your posts because I know the joy with which they will be seized upon by the more reactionary bloggers here as confirmation of their existing prejudices.
Mark
March 27th, 2009 1:45pmThe remarks by John Lea and Jenny are bizarre - institutions change. Britain, socially and politically, has changed enormously since 1979, and with those changes the face of education has been entirely altered. The history men you still see lurking in every HE corridor are rare and unhappy creatures now.
John Lea
March 27th, 2009 2:59pmMark, do try and follow this: I can only express my view in relation to this subject based on my own experience of working within HE. You may have had different experiences, which have, in turn, shaped your opinions, but that does not prove or disprove MY opinion on this issue. Being proved right or wrong is not the point of this thread. It's an online debating forum, wherein people from different backgrounds - often with different political views and opinions - can enjoy a rational discussion. All clear now?
Oh, and I stand by my original comment. Your first point (that the History Man is irrelevant because it was written in 1975) was moronic, and I notice that you did not respond to that charge in your follow-up blog.
Michael B
March 27th, 2009 3:24pmMark,
Firstly, very little (ideological) leaven is needed to leaven the entire loaf. Secondly, what subjects do you teach, and in what universities? Iow, your own experiences and prejudices are singular, not broadly representative and not obviously indicative of temperaments and ideological and philosophical dispositions variously promulgated in British universities and western universities in general. Then, there's the still broader subject of the ramifications stemming from those temperaments and ideological interests. But no doubt that is mere illusion as well, from your own point of view.
Bobo
March 27th, 2009 4:05pmMark, you have to be kidding, right?
I completed an English degree less than two years ago and we were encouraged and coaxed to view the world of literature not through the eyes of Shakespeare, Ibsen and so on but through the eyes of arch Marxist literary critic Raymond Williams. He is the Gofather of what is known as cultural materialism, a thoroughly Marxoid method of literary criticism you will see spouted in English literature courses up and down the land.
Once you’ve mastered Mr Williams’ teaching, the lecturers love you and you get high marks. I know full well from speaking to other students that this was not confined to my university or my course. It is now widespread and endemic.
As far as my course was concerned, I was not meant to imbibe Ibsen, but Ibsen seen through the eyes of Marxist Raymond Williams. And why? Because I’m then supposed to spend the rest of my life viewing everything else from that perspective too.
You and you’re kind are sneaky like that, Mark. You won’t get away with it every time.
Lynne T
March 27th, 2009 4:45pmStraydingo:
Stephen is alluding to the "one-state" option -- the fantasy that once Israel, Gaza, the West Bank and all of Jerusalem are reconstituted as Palestine, that some wonderous secular democratic state will appear. After all, what lesson is there to be taken in Afghanistan or Pakistan about how vigorously a significant minority of fanatics will fight to impose 7th century values on society through force.
Sam Armstrong
March 27th, 2009 9:10pmPhil talks about the moronic sickness affecting humans. It's true, but I have noticed that people can swing either way. It's all about role models. A lot of people, if they see success or someone rewarded for effort, they do tend to follow suit. Our culture worships dysfunction, that's what we need to change.
gary
March 28th, 2009 12:32amSimon
"I think Jane is more on the ball than Gary. What we have here is not religious anti-semitism and no, it is not racial."
All of it can be correct - analysis in the context of leftist alegiances and hard-core traditional antisemitism. A small clarification of why I see it as religious antisemitism. The new secular religion is Humanitarianism, and once again Jews are the most evil in the world. Jewish voices about Jewish matters are discounted before Jews have even spoken - like a medieaval religious court.
"It is the latest in a long line of obscene "causes" promoted by that cultural phenomenon known as "the left". These include support for the Khmer Rouge, the Viet Cong, the IRA and Uncle Joe Stalin."
None of these have associations with deeply held paradigms inherited from centuries of western culture. Complaints about their enemies (USA for instance) were specific and didn't fill day after day of international news. Complaints about Israel (and Jews) resonate with all the old traditional slanders - such as behind the scenes conspiracies to do universal evil, and "it's Jews and that's what they're like".
gary
March 28th, 2009 12:44am"Should Jews riot in the streets like the Muslims when the Danish cartoons were printed? I don't think so."
No. We should declare an annual international strike day in support of fair media treatment of Israel. Just silently don't turn up for work, school, club meetings, any organised events - and don't purchase, watch or listen to news. Don't forewarn any employer, teacher or organiser. No street marches, no public demonstrations, no public statements.
Silence would raise a big question.
Mr Melrose
March 28th, 2009 10:37am....that Jews and Arabs here are still doing business together and studying together and meeting with each other on a daily basis because they are destined to live together in this part of the world. They don’t want to hear that despite all the problems life continues and that ordinary Arab and Jewish parents who wake up in the morning just want to send their children to school and go to work before returning home safely and happily...
Exactly - Thats what most people want, however the fruitbats on both sides will not be happy with this. And unfortunately they are the ones who tend to end up with the guns.
The reason people have an issue with operation Cast Lead etc (BTW planned well in advance, and ready to kick off at the signal) is that Israel is far more efficient at killing than Hamas is. And Israel is a first world democracy - one of the good guys - and supposed to behave accorgingly. (and I say Israel meaning the government/military ... for most Israeli citizens see the first paragraph)
Re: the hate on campus - people here must be hanging around with the wrong groups - in all my time at university/work I have not once heard any kind of anti Jewish remark - this is not a case of 'Dont mention the war' and I'm not being blind to this - in my experience it just dosen't happen.
At University (and speaking as a committed Liberal) if any of the 'Socalist Worker' style groups had started off on 'The Evil of Jewish money' or whaterver they would (and were) be totally ignored as being mad and/or boring (but mostly really, really boring)
Mr Melrose
March 28th, 2009 11:09amWhat is the picture at the top of this item?
It ppears to be a child being flayed?
What does this signify?
phil
March 28th, 2009 11:25amSam Armstrong ,you are of course right ,but where do we find these role models .they are shouted down by the morons immediately they speak .Eric Pickles was a prime example of this on question time ,right or wrong he never stood a chance ,the bullies shouted him down -I have no idea whether he had a good case or not but I would rather have heard him try .It is the "fashion" now to scream at authority or "leaders",--sarcasm and cynicism lead the way and we all lose by it .I realise I am a dinosaur but I live in hope that we will come again .
Indigo121
March 28th, 2009 1:36pmThis is the same phenomenon where average posts I read on the 'Guardian' or 'Independent' where more vehement and anti-Israeli than Palestinians' living in the west bank, and even some in Gaza.
During the war many Palestinians were interviewed on Israel press, and surprisingly (or not!) the majority of them showed support for the war in the hope it would destroy Hamas once and for all. the same Hamas that is stealing their supplies and terrorizing internal opponents, and oppressing the populace.
The west bank's Fatah even aided Israel in terms of intelligence during the war.
The far-left in the west doesn't give a RAT's behind on the Palestinians. It's all just an Israel-bashing fad.
Jenny
March 28th, 2009 1:37pmMr Melrose, the picture is of the original blood libel cult, which demonised Jews by telling lies about them. As it's put here:
'The myth of the blood libel was that the blood of a Christian child was used to make Passover matzohs.'
There's more here:
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/rinn.html
Anti-Jewish propaganda may have changed to the extent that it now involves huge swathes of the mainstream media but it comes out of a truly spiteful tradition.
George Laird
March 28th, 2009 2:40pmDear Jane at 1.19 am
“We see it on the comments section here day in and day out with the abuse from George Laird”.
Why are you attempting to re write history?
If I was throwing abuse about then one of the moderators would have pulled me up with a warning.
Melanie Phillips writes a blog which allows comment; I comment on the content and raise questions and make observations.
Another point that I should add is that unlike some others on here; I don’t swear.
In the event that Melanie’s Phillips howling rent a mob has a go at me; I have a go back.
That is called retort.
The next time you want to start a smear campaign then at least have the good grace to provide what is generally required in Western circles, evidence.
As to the “poisonous strain”, you falsely claim I represent will you with draw that lie?
If you will not withdraw that lie will you post evidence?
I speak on behalf of myself; my opinions are not part of someone else’s propaganda campaign.
The reason of your deep unhappiness I suspect is that the author of this blog hasn’t really got answers for those who dare to question her statements or attitude.
Finally; I notice that you haven’t directed any of your spiteful little post against any of the Israeli supporting rent a mob who has repeatedly attacked me first.
Hypocrite.
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Jenny
March 28th, 2009 8:47pmGeorge Laird, you ask for evidence of your poison and then provide it in the same post by referring to a ‘rent a mob’.
Where’s the evidence that anybody who posts support for Melanie Phillips is being paid to do so?
Tell us who these posters are who’ve been bought and paid for to support Melanie Phillips on her blog.
Your poison, George Laird, is all over this blog. Since you’re unaware of what you’ve been up to, let’s remind you of some of your spite:
www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3386276/israels-choice.thtml#comments
MP “Amnesty proposes no total arms embargo on Iran, nor on any of the 22 states of the Arab league. Only on Israel, their designated victim”.
GL ‘Amnesty is speaking out against Israeli actions therefore no one is buying the “designated victim” status.’
Have you forgotten writing that, George? That’s the measure of your poisonous animus toward Israel. You can't wait to single it out.
MP “Israel alone of all the countries of the world is not to be allowed to defend itself against annihilation”.
GL ‘The way that Melanie goes on you would think that Muslim countries are sitting waiting to invade. Those days are over.’
So A’jad says he will wipe Israel off the map, the Hamas charter calls for the slaughter of all Jews and George Laird says such things need not trouble the world.
The only thing that matters to George Laird about Israel is demonising it.
Kiwi
March 29th, 2009 11:27amGeorge Laird: “I speak on behalf of myself; my opinions are not part of someone else’s propaganda campaign.”
Hand on heart George? Today’s Telegraph highlights an interesting report due to be published by the Centre for Social Cohesion (CSC), a think-tank, looks at the funding of Arabic, Islamic and Chinese study centres at academic institutions across the UK. The report claims Multi-million pound donations from foreign governments have corrupted British universities and threatened academic impartiality. Universities are accused of a lack of transparency, with foreign donors; including regimes accused of human rights abuses, allowed to give money anonymously.
At least 10 universities, including Oxford and Cambridge, have accepted donations totalling hundreds of millions of pounds.
It alleges that some allow the principal donor “significant oversight” over their running, leading to the censorship of teachers and students.
Robin Simcox, a research fellow at CSC and author of the report, said there was “a real problem” in UK universities that needed to be addressed.
He said: “Universities across the UK are taking huge amounts of cash from regimes with appalling records on human rights. This clearly needs to be addressed. The country’s finest universities are in bed with some of the world’s worst human rights abusers. “The concept of foreign funding itself is not the problem. However, too often the donation is not for impartial academic research, but a public relations exercise aimed at altering perceptions of certain nations and subjects.”
Would one of those 'certain nations' be Israel, I wonder?
phil
March 29th, 2009 12:50pmWHY THE PREOCCUPATION WITH THE LAIRD .
He is a mere figure of fun and should be treated as such.who believes anything he says ?hands up .His state of paranoia is from continually hitting his head on a brick wall and we do him no favours by answering him .He cannot be traced at Glasgow university but there are numerous traces of him being stopped by Scottish papers and his self appointed title is the product of some strange derivative of narcissm -I suggest you all leave him in peace ,it may help with his recovery .
George Laird
March 29th, 2009 5:09pmDear phil
"WHY THE PREOCCUPATION WITH THE LAIRD".
It is a jealously thing.
As to me being stopped by Scottish newspapers, can you post a link to this evidence?
I have had posts removed in the past but I am not banned from any Scottish newspapers.
I would ask you to retract this lie.
People for some reason are always interested in what I do and say. They keep telling me to stand for election but I am happy being a humble Glaswegian.
Finally, for those interested in supporting Israel.
There was a protest conducted this afternoon in Glasgow against Tesco for selling Israeli products. The protesters were wearing white T shirts with black lettering, four Police officers in attendence, they wore black with yellow jackets.
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Linda Smith
March 29th, 2009 5:14pmKiwi: interesting post. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I learn lots of interesting facts from other posters here that might otherwise pass me by.
Jenny
March 29th, 2009 10:03pmThe man with the most pompous web sign off in the history of the world says: "I am happy being a humble Glaswegian".
Jenny
The Campaign To Keep Laughing At George Laird
Linda Smith
March 29th, 2009 11:37pmGeorge Laird: what was the point of the fashion details in your post?
Original Tony
March 30th, 2009 10:07amStudents always say and do stupid things...I would like to talk with them when they are 50.
phil
March 30th, 2009 11:21amgeorgie boy will this do for starters --it isnt hard to find -just type in your name and add removed -all will be revealed even to he who does not want to see -I dont want you removed son you give us all amusement on a daily basis and free.
The Daily Record - News from Westminster
Recent Comments. George Laird said: ... "I tried to add a website showing the total UK debt but it must have got removed...
phil
March 30th, 2009 12:11pmOriginal Tony I think georgie is 50 -he is definatewly by his own mouth a "mature" student -another misdescription from our boy
George Laird
March 30th, 2009 4:51pmDear Jenny
“The man with the most pompous web sign off in the history of the world says: "I am happy being a humble Glaswegian".
Thank you for acknowledging another first on my part; I wasn’t even trying.
As to you newly formed campaign;
“The Campaign To Keep Laughing At George Laird”
Here is what Ghandi said;
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win”.
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University