The hand of appeasement

Original Tony

I am getting so worked up about this usurper, this illegal alien that thinks he is American that my ribs want to burst.

What makes me even angrier is that the limp-handed liberals are still lapping hum up! What airheads, when will they open their eyes to the fact that he is a Muslim and not a Christian. I just can't believe a sophisticated nation can be duped to such an extent.

I am prepared to guess what Mel has posted today will result in a civil war in the USA. African Americans/mexicans/muslims/weak wristed whites against the rest.

Joshua

There was a small piece today at Ynet about how Chabad had smuggled matzot into Iran to meet the needs of Jews in that country. An Iranian poster left this message: "tank you chabad no, we not free her in isfahen and iran. we scare all time. tank you. aver masoudi no rel name"

Wilhelm

Did you see Barak Obimbo bowing to the Saudian Arabian King at the G20 in London, he's the head of state for Christ sake he doesnt bow, he didnt bow to the Queen. Catch it on Youtube, it some bow.

Then in Turkey he squeeeked that America is not a Judeo Christian country but a country made up of citizens.

EH ? I suppose Iran is a budhist country then.

JonnyMacsPlace

Hey Tony, why are you so obsessed about the strength or otherwise of people's wrists and hands?

Joshua

Although I have always been a fervent supporter of Ms. Phillips, even I thought she'd completely lost it when she started laying what I believed to be absurd charges against Obama. It's now quite clear that I was the individual who had lost it whilst Ms. Phillips had remained as prescient and sagacious as ever.

Suffolkbor

It comes as no surprise that Obama has stuck his oar in ,
in favour of Turkey joining the EU.

"Change" must include the total Islamification of Europe as well as grovelling appeasement ,unilateral nuclear disarmament and bankrupting the United States economy.

I would not rely on this charlatan to protect the security of my pet goldfish and if he were my teacher I wouldn,t trust him with my school lunch money .

John Thomas

Mel's title brings a Winston Churchill quote to mind (a man who knew a thing ot two about appeasement):"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." Obama oughtn't think the crocodile will never eat him/the U.S.

Alex Bensky

Come on, Tony. There's so much legitimate criticism Obama has merited that there's no need to bring up this canard that he's secretly a Muslim.

On the other hand, I learned during the campaign last fall that whereas twenty years in the pews of an overtly racist church should be ignored, Sarah Palin's church and religious views are fair game.

And yes, our new foreign policy seems to include cutting costs by getting rid of protocol officers--didn't somneone tell Michelle that you don't touch the Queen? It also involved gratuitous insults, such as sending back to Britain a bust of Churchill and responding to Brown's very thoughtful gift by giving him a bunch of DVD's that won't play on British systems and in any case he could have picked up on any high street.

Can we imagine the uproar if Bush had bowed to the Saudi king? Or that if Bush had referred to the language of Austria as "Austrian" it would be a theme of msm coverage for the remainder of his term?

Obama is the president of a republic, the world's pre-eminent republic. To bow to any foreign potentate is unseemly and it is disgusting that he did not bow to the Queen but did to the Saudi king.

I broke the habit of a lifetime and voted for McCain and I've seen no reason to regret that.

Bill M

Is this calculated surrender? His job is to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution and as a part of that, from all enemies foreign and domestic. Apparently, to him that does not include the United States of America, just it's Constitution. Unfortunately, I think we've elected a domestic enemy.

David Gray

Mel didn't mention that Turkey should be given EU membership according to Obimbo because it would...'send out the right signals to muslims'....How does 73 million Turks/muslims coming to a town near you sound?

David Gray

'Did you see Barak Obimbo bowing to the Saudian Arabian King at the G20 in London'.....He bent down so ,ow I thought he was going to polish his shoes!

Joshua

"Did you see Barak Obimbo bowing to the Saudian Arabian King at the G20 in London" -- I have just learned the real reason for this. Unfortunately, the Saudis had only been able to provide Obama with a really quite small teleprompter and the president was bending down to read it.

Augustus

If President George W. Bush had bowed so deeply in front of the Saudi King it would have been screened a thousand times by the MSM in news bulletins, and it would have been seen as a sign of treason. But when Obama does it; nothing, it's not even shown. So why did this man not bow before the Queen, but did so with all his might before a leader of a corrupt regime? Before a tyrant, in whose country women have hardly any human rights? Before the head of a regime which, in the name of Sharia law, metes out inhuman punishments? Since when does the president of the most powerful democracy in the world bow before a tyrant? American presidents traditionally don't bow before kings - it's got something to do with the struggle for independence. But Barack Obama bows deeply before the King of Mecca and Medina. Before the chief of decadence and tyranny. By doing this
America bows symbolicly in favour of Iran, an anti-Semitic
totalitarian and cruel regime. The bowing is a simple yet subtle sign towards a new direct
form of barter: We offer up democracy and human rights in exchange for stability. But that stability won't come cheap, and the bowing will have to get deeper and deeper.

An American

Now Obama's people are saying that he didn't bow to the King. That the King was a short man and Obama is a tall man and he was just looking down to shake his hand...apparently, he was shaking something much lower.

They are now telling Americans that we didn't see what we saw...it's the old Emperor had clothes even though he was stark naked...apparently, Obama believes we'll believe anything we're told...a true dictator in the making.

It truly is unbelievable how gullible and trusting the American people are. Obama and his cronies know it and use it to the hilt.

Original Tony,
We must work to get Conservatives elected. The weak 'good ole boy' Republicans have let this country and its people down. Give money in support and work the phones, etc. for Conservatives. I agree that if things don't turn around soon, we may be looking at a civil war and it will be incredibly horrible and destructive. Have you read anything about the Spanish Civil War?

Obama has been gulled by the large worshipping crowds into believing that he can do anything and we will go along with it, and if not, he will force us to.

This large internal army he is raising has me really worried. We know it will be made up of mostly thugs. We have a dictatorship in the making...with Pelosie and Reid pushing Obamas/their socialist agenda through.

It all fits, if you look at the big picture historically. First you create a financial crisis...probably caused by Soros and the Saudis. Then you put a pre-picked, young, good looking, charismatic, far- left socialist, black power, Muslim man to do your bidding. You have a liberal socialist media, a liberal, socialist Congress in power, Obama in power...its time to destroy America...its been in the way of evil too long.

James

Helloo, Ronnie, Carl, George Laird and all who sail with them. Do you get it now?

No? I thought not.

Original Tony

Alex...I am quite sure Obama's stay in a Muslim school in Indonesia as a young, impressionable boy and sitting on his Muslim daddy's knee has made far more of an impression on him than twenty years of fake Christian 'church' attendance, where he went to listen to an evil philosphy, not the Word of God.

And remember the Freudian slip on TV not so long ago, when he had to be corrected by the interviewer when he said that his MUSLIM faith had done so much for him. "you mean your Christian faith" the interviewer said, to a smug smile from the 'O'.

I do not know of any Christian leader that would bow to the Saudi king but I know plenty of Muslims who will !!

Joshua....lol...good humour my friend! We are going to need a lot of that in the coming days.

Shiva

My heartfelt commiserations to the American people on their election of Obama as President. His appeasing bow to those that see America as the mortal enemy to be totally destroyed is appalling to say the least. America truly needs Jesus Christ himself to walk again to rescue it from this morass. God bless the proud valiant freedom-loving/fighting US soldiers, Special Forces, and Marines whose enormous sacrifices could come to naught if this appeasement and groveling continues.

JES

John Thomas - you beat me to it, I was about to post the same quote. Nice one !

What surprises me more than anything is that anybody is surprised. The man's a socialist, appeasement is part of the liberal left's genetic make up, as is the complete inability to learn anything from history.

I have to wonder what big O's reaction will be when his new best friends get their hands on Pakistan's missiles and warheads. At least he can then stop worrying about climate change, just a nuclear winter.

Tony - "I just can't believe a sophisticated nation can be duped to such an extent"
Don't feel bad, the UK was fooled by Phoney Tony, not once, but three times would you believe!

Johan Potgieter

Does a nation STUPID enough to vote Obama into office deserve preeminence?

Vision Aforethought

As a Brit who lived in the US for quite a while, one of my key observations was how trusting Americans were/are. They will give anyone the benefit of the doubt. This characteristic is wonderful when it comes to entrepreneurship, ones career - even politics. After all, such an attitude offers those who may be gifted the opportunity to achieve great things - even if they do not appear all sparkly and perfect on the outside. This element of trust by default may also be why US newspaper vending machines allow you to (conceptually) take as many papers as you like for your 25 cents. (It may be 50 cents by now!) However, and this is a BIG however, such a trait does come with the side effect that it allows one to be taken for a ride.

The problem is, how far do you travel before you decide you are heading the wrong way - and then do something about it?

And is there a point of no return?

An American

I just heard the news that Obama will sit down with the Iranians to discuss...what, exactly?

Who are they kidding...

This is nothing but a ruse to keep Israel from attacking Iran's nuclear facilities. Apparently, Obama wants Iran to have the bomb...maybe he'll loan them some of our missiles while he's at it.

Carl

OTony - you are nothing more than a racist. You clearly hate non whites and miss no opportunity to belittle them, hence your lie that President Obama is a Muslim - little more than an attempt to stir up hatred. Perhaps you should consider why people think that your views are worthless in the light of this?

Michael B

The lengthier, penultimate graf is all too descriptive, not at all indulgent. Still, at least Obama is aware of some of his weaknesses, he has recently allowed he's not familiar with the "Austrian" language.

It's as if Wiley E. Coyote has morphed into a supremely gifted rhetorician: the lean profile, the self-regard, the substitution of the imaginative-fantastical in lieu of better grounded considerations and gravitas - all too much of the comparison is all too applicable, fitting.

comprehensiveboy

Does anyone know if Obama attends a church now that he has been elected? Why was there so little questioning about that business on his botched swearing in where they apparently could not find a bible in Washington the second time? Kindly correct me if I dreamed this.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

Why this is big deal? someone low their knees doesn't mean he bow or she bow, it is lowering the knee, some kind of salute!specially when you see someone older then you, what do you guys want? Do you want Obama to kiss the Arab king on the cheeks three times like Arab men do? That would of be very gay to the Americans

Jon_Boy

Of course Obama is a double talking snake oil salesman. Anyone wo can't see that is intellectualy blind.

My gut isntinct is that Obama is not a religious man at all. He is neither a Christian or a Muslim. His church attendnce over the years was probably just a calculated ploy to reinforce his political base amongst the African American community.

However I expect that he does have certain cultural sympathies for the Islamic world. He also would be quick to use the political assets and finance the Islamic lobbies in the United States could and probably have offered.

His name is a big giveaway to his past. Not that it necessarily makes him a Muslim. However why is it in a mixed race/religion marriage, between his mother and father that all his names are Koranic?

If Islam wasn't an extremely important cultural identity to his father why didn't his mother at least get to give him at least one non Muslim name, even a middle name? Obviously his father's cultural identity completely over rode his mother's in that relationship. Surely this would have had an affect on the man?

Again his mother then remarried another muslim. Was this because his mother had alot of sympathy for Islamic culture or just wanted to make sure that little Obama continued to receive an Islamic upbringing?

No I think that Obama probably has his foot more firmly in the secular Islamic world which peddles ideas of Islamic cultural victimhood and then uses this to justify right wing views supporting Arab/Islamic cultural domination of the rest of the world.

His Western left wing political bedfellows have also made a strategic pact with both the religious and neo secular fascist Islamists.

So I think that anyone who fears both these groups have every reason to fear the policies of Obama and his friends whether they are white or Jewish.

Obama is all things to all idiots. Recently I heard him claiming to be Irish. Whatever he is, he benfited from his mother's family's standing and wealth. Even though she was simply an egg donor to her own son's creation as he bares no name that relates to his mother's cultural identity and is referred to, by himself and all unsundry as a 'Black Man'

Hopefully he will not get the benefit of ten years of econmic stability like the British Labour party did in which to pursue an isiduous and highly dubious programe of radical social engineering and experimentation.

When it comes to Iran Obama wil probably make America weaker. However Bush would have done nothing too. On that front we are human beings. We are now all waiting to see if the Islamic world changes path and will only meet them head on when we have to and are left no other choice. A little bit like before that little debacle called WW2.

An American

Carl,

It really disturbs me when people like yourself use racism to try to shut a person up.

There is every reason to believe that Obama is a committed Muslim...and O. Tony gave you just a few examples from many.

I hate Obama because he is destroying the country that I love not because he is half black. In fact, some southern Americans including myself could have some black blood from past generations.

If Obama were a Conservative who loved America and wanted the best for it and me...I would be behind him 100% as I believe O. Tony would be.

So...please lay off the racial slurs...it won't work and it won't shut us up.

Joseph Tafra

I'm confused!!! Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but why does an Iranian writer refer to the US treasury as 'our treasury' and to Obama's coziness with Muslim nations as bringing down 'our nation' (the USA).....am I the only one noticing this - is this writer an Iranian who lives in America perhaps?....I agree with the sentiments, just befuddled

LogicalSC

Obama doesn't give a rats ar*e about Iranians, Iraqis, Israelis or regular Americans. His entire spill is to gain favor in the salons of Western Europe, in the mansions of Hype Park where his buddies, William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright reside and in the nutjob halls of leftist universities.

They love him for taking American down a peg, so what if a few millions have to pay the price. Anybody ever notice that the Left which is so adamant about their "supposed" fight for liberty always side with dictator and thugs over the people of these oppressive henchmen.

Nancy Baumgartner

Carried along by pampered Hollywood stars and gullible, indoctrinated college students- Obama is now POTUS. Thinking Americans to my acquaintance know this is the end of America as we have known it. The very average and inexperienced Obama has been assigned divine abilities by the dumbest of Americans (stars, academicians, and college students), and now the free world is stuck with what is and will continue to be disasterous results all around.

Bill Dukas

Happy Easter and a peaceful Passover to you Melanie Phillips. Your mind is always keen and you write well.

An American

Margaret Muller Johansen,

Americans are citizens of a Republic whose ancestors fought to free themselves from the tyranny of an English King.

That's why Americans and American Presidents never bow, we shake hands in greeting.

Obama did not bow to Queen Elizabeth yet he bowed to a Saudi King because they are both Muslims.

Now, Obama's people have the nerve to say he didn't bow...we're not to believe our own eyes. Obama is a very arrogant fellow who abuses the truth along with his many other flaws.

Worried

@Jon_Boy: Interesting analysis. The truth is often more compelling than fiction. Your comment about the British Labor Party is very thought provoking. Hmm...

Kirk Strong

Out of the mouths of babes ...

Bookworm of the blog Bookworm Room was explaining Hitler's rise to power to her 9 year old son.

At the end of the conversation he looked up and said, "So he was like Obama. He made a good speech and everyone stopped thinking."

virgil xenophon

I've studied the video several times in slow motion. Obama was NOT simply bowing--as bad as that would have been--it was FAR WORSE. Rather he was reflexively headed to the floor on bended knee in a posture of abject surrender. Notice the fluid, un- hesitating motion; dropping one leg bending back with one hand on thigh for support. It was only that he caught himself in time that this calumny was averted. Had it been a simple low bow, there would have been no readily apparent recovery motion visible to even the untrained eye.

Original Tony

An American 11:38pm...thank you and well said.

Carl, you take the cake, why do you say I am a racist because I have accused Obama of being a Muslim? The last time I looked I saw plenty of white Muslims in the many new states around the Black sea. Being a Muslim is not a racial thing it's a religious thing! So how can I be a racist for calling Obama a Muslim?

Get the glue out of your brain and try and think clearly for a change, you hypocrite.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

Sorry an American,
I hope you get a better president in the future
I wonder what is your religion if Obama is muslim? don't you like muslims? I like everyone who likes me, I like muslims if they good, I like Jewish if they good, i like Christians if they good, I like Buddhist if they good, I like Hindus, I like Vegetarians, Atheist etc, there are good people every race every, culture every nationality, everything,

PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE

let's not narrow our minds

Noah Aaron Bashi

Obama is not a muslim name it is Swahili Christian name, Barack could be Arabic, or Aramaic something related with blessing, Hussein I don't know where this name come from maybe his mother had a muslim friend called Hussein
We have this Atheist neighbor calling their white little boy Malachi which is Hebrew name when I ask the mother are you Jewish she get angry on me, no I am this and that
Malachi was Jewish prophet, he was a messenger, but lately people call their kids all kind of non traditional names, I know people calling their kids something like PooHoo, Blah Blah, Muhi, Kaicah etc and they are Westerns

Ronnie

virgil xenophobe, did you see how he kissed the royal ring?

Ronnie

Thank you Margaret, for that sublime moment of clarity.

Dave

Obama didn't bow he bent down to shake the hand of a short guy.
George Bush on the other hand held his hand and then went in for a kiss.
http://wonkette.com/407662/wingnuts-angry-that-obama-didnt-suck-off-saudi-prince-like-bush-always-did

Jon_Boy

Ok Noah so the name Obama maybe African in origin, my mistake. But Hussein and Barack are definitely Koranic. I know Barack is also a Jewish name but Muslims also use old testament names too, for exapmle Ibrahim (Abraham).

Whatever way his father managed to get all his son's names to reflect his own personal important cultural influences of Kenya and Islam.

It still reflects the fact that his mother got zero input of her own cutural identity in the naming of her own son.

sad aussie

I'm an Australian. Over the past 9 years I have watched the unthinkable happen to UK the land of the ancestors of many Australians. The UK is now lost to Islam. I pray that Americans can stop the same occurring in the Land Of The Free.

Noah Aaron Bashi

Okay, what do you think Barack's name should be something like jon-Boy or Boy George? Just get a life, people could call their children any name they like it is them to choose not you

Mike

Dave, I see that you also have no concept of protocol or decorum.
What W did is/was considered no more than shaking hands in large parts of the world.
What the jug eared "Won" did was supplicate himself before his true master.
No go smoke some dope and wish for hope.

Dave

Oh Mike. It's not me with no concept of protocol or decorum x

Carl

O Tony - I apologise - I really can't imagine why your previous posts about "Racial Purity" and "mongrelisation" could have made me consider you to be a dyed in the wool racist.

Valentinus

Always interested in the foreign policy strategies of Melaniesworld. I take it, Melanie, you really would rather we went to war with Iran in order to overthrow its regime. Perhaps you can spell this out: how we might galvanise international opinion around such a strategy; how the regional powers would react; how Russian responses might be contained etc etc. If you start down this route, you have a duty to follow it through in ways which your redneck cheerleaders never stoop to contemplate. And spell out another things for us while you're at it: do you agree with the view that 'Islam is at war with the West'? My Muslim colleagues are keen to know. The news has escaped them so far.

By the way. How long is this tedious chorus of 'I can't-believe-they-voted-for-Obama' likely to go on? We appreciate that you right wing guys are fuming with frustration, but is this all you have to offer? It's been three months now. Are we going to get 4 years of this (maybe more...if Obama succeeds in building his sinister scout camp dictatorship you all fret about). Hey ho the wind and the rain.

Michael B

For the entirety of the republic, well over two centuries now, no chief executive of the United States, prior to Obama, has rendered obeisance to a worldly potentate in the manner Obama did, before Saudi King Abdullah.
That is a fact of history and protocol - a fact that absolutely possesses symbolic significance. Symbolic significance, as represented in the chief executive of the U.S., inextricably has more substantial significance as well. Whatever that significance is can be variously debated and assessed within the constellation of other events and facts, but its significance cannot be dismissed and denied, tout court.

An American

Ronnie..10:34am

Thanks for another good laugh...

hadrian

I am horrified to learn that Obama has apparently gone so far as to say that America does not rest on a Judeo-Christian basis but is simply its 'citizenry'. That marks either a truly cynical, values-neutral multiculturalist humanist or, more sinister, a crypto-Moslem. To be sure his confident dismissal of the Christian impulse behind the great Declaration ( with substantial Presbyterian/Puritan input) would have astonished the Signatories and Founding Fathers. America is on this showing badly adrift. Embracing Turkish Moslems and their law system to our bosom is a horrifying prospect.

Al Ramy

Talking about certified appeasers: check this Roger Cohen, waging single handedly a weekly attack on Israel and the Jews - take from April-08-09 NYTimes:

Israel Cries Wolf

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By ROGER COHEN
Published: April 8, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/opinion/09iht-edcohen.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

Kiwi

hadrian, everyone in the free world should be horrified, and rightly so. Here's what Obama said in Turkey, "And I've said before that one of the great strengths of the United States is -- although as I mentioned, we have a very large Christian population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation; we consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values." Strangely, he did not identify which ideals and values. He then went on to say, "The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans," and, "Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country - I know, because I am one of them." All of this after, a few days earlier, bending his knee and bowing, to the Saudi King Abdullah, guardian of Mecca and Medina, Islam's two holiest cities.
I don't know about you, but I'm struggling to identify any examples of how the US had been enriched by Muslims. The American people should not allow themselves to be fooled into denying their heritage by glib tongued Obama's attempts to rewrite history.

Susan

How can Obama be a fascist and an appeaser? Is he Musolini or is he Chamberlain?

Do you haters even know the difference between a social program and a socialist government?

What does it mean when a Republican President initiates a stimulus plan, a bailout for banks and the auto industry and shuts down one of the largest and oldest investment firms in the world? All of this was started under Bush/Paulsen before they left office. Funny, we don't hear the neocons calling Bush and Paulsen socialists intent on destroying america.

Do any of you boneheads even know what a socialist, a marxist and a communist is?

Do a bit of homework. Remember the savings and loan debacle of the 1980's? Remember John McCain's involvement? More importantly, did you know that under the Reagan administration, the bailout of that fiasco cost the American taxpayer $1.4 trillion.

Do yourselves a favor: turn off faux news, stop listening to comedians like Beck, Hannity and Rush Loudmouth. Go to the library, get a book on basic economic theory, read some history. Here's another suggestion: grow up.

barackobama

Anyone who has watched Saudi Arabians greet each other will know that no one bows to each other.
There are various ways of greeting a shaikh, or leader. It is entirely normal to shake his hand looking him directly in the eyes as an equal. Other variations are kissing the shaikh on the shoulder; rubbing noses or kissing the shaikh on the forehead.
Obama bowed, but he was undoubtedly not advised by anyone to do that. He was unsure how to greet a Saudi king and made it up. So it was a mistake. I'm sure King Abdullah found it amusing.
Contrasting the way he dealt with the queen is silly; Aussie prime minister Paul Keating two decades ago put his arm around her waist. It was a mistake, not evidence he was about to kiss her.

Conservative Cabbie

Valentinus

"By the way. How long is this tedious chorus of 'I can't-believe-they-voted-for-Obama' likely to go on?"

Ooh, I don't know. Probably as long as those people who voted for Obama said the same thing about George Bush, which was about 8 years as I recall.

Ronnie

Cabbie, I'm still saying it.

Augustus

Any true red-blooded American president worth his salt would have used his maiden voyage to a Muslim land to say: "You've got to learn to respect other religions." Can you imagine Barry Obambi saying that? He's a weakling, an empty suit, and a danger to the free world. God help America!

"You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children, and our children's children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done."
- Ronald Reagan

beloved

Susan, you and other totalitarians are running out of "other people's money" and will lose. The Counter-Revolution will win.

An American

Hadrian,

You hit the nail on the head.

Obama is a cryto-Muslim. His subtle message to Muslims is to have patience and wait it out...he will take care of it on his end by destroying Christian America from within...no need for outright war or terrorism...it will take decades, but in the end with the help of the US 'Messiah', the Muslims hope to conquer the world and what a plum the US will be.

Islam concepts are very close to Nazism and Facism which Obama is in the process of enacting by taking over US banks and industry. He will continue forcing stimulus money on US private businesses and banks, who won't want it, to gain complete control. Once he has control of all US finance and industry, he'll be in the catbird seat. I see a future dictator in the making.

Augustus, 2:14pm

Great blog.

Diyosko Day

British people don't see it but you don't only have a Queen, yes you guess it right -you also have King. That's why Obama vowed to him. That's why they are being sold sophisticated weapons and is on the process of acquiring JSF, all these without questions and dare to investigate the transaction - they already own this now tiny Kingdom. Glad to be out of there just at the right time.

An American

I find Susan to be another self-professed brilliant, liberal, psuedo intellectual who believes she has all the answers. How comforting it must be to believe you know it all...

On April 15, millions of Conservatives Americans will be protesting both Bush and Obama's stimulus bills. Our economy is now coming back even though Obama's trillions have not yet reached the market place, yet he wants trillions more, that we don't have, to be spent.
This is nothing but a Fascist power grab by 'The One'.

Susan insults all of Melanie's bloggers by telling them they need to go to the library, etc... I find most of Melanie's bloggers to be extremely knowledgable about world events and history along with a good dose of common sense.

Too bad that Susan doesn't have an iota of common sense to go along with all that 'so-called' knowledge.

An American

Valentinus,

Believe me when I say that much more will happen than fretting if Obama "raises his sinister scout camp dictatorship".

Obama's undermining of the US Constitution, the intimidation of Conservative Congress, US banks and industry along with some 50% of America's citizens will all come to a very unpleasant surprise for him someday soon.

Mr Melrose

George W is a lovely cuddly Easter Bunny and has a brain the size of a planet.

Right. Now I wonder if that one will get through?

beloved

David: How does 73 million Turks/muslims coming to a town near you sound?

beloved: Someone should tell O, Turkey is in when Mexico becomes a US state.

beloved

Shiva: My heartfelt commiserations to the American people on their election of Obama as President. His appeasing bow to those that see America as the mortal enemy to be totally destroyed is appalling to say the least. America truly needs Jesus Christ himself to walk again to rescue it from this morass. God bless the proud valiant freedom-loving/fighting US soldiers, Special Forces, and Marines whose enormous sacrifices could come to naught if this appeasement and groveling continues.

Beloved: Amen, thank you, Shiva. I believe He's going to save us as long as individual citizens are willing to fight back, and plenty of us are fighting back. God bless you and Happy Resurrection Day.

beloved

comprehensive asked if O found a church, yet. He released a statement last December saying he and Michelle would start looking around and visiting churches in January. He didn't do that, but I just heard yesterday that he's looking for a church for Easter services.

comprehensiveboy

Beloved, thanks for providing that inforamation about Obama and church attendance. Just that - thanks. And Happy Easter Sunday.

Susan

Augustus: You state that Obama is a 'weakling' because he did not tell "...muslims to respect other religions" on his first trip to a muslim land.

Your comment typifies the arrogant and ignorant attitude of the bloggers on this site.

I assume you know that Turkey is a democratic, secular, muslim country and an important ally of the United States. Why would anyone who knows anything about diplomacy suggest that a leader of one country intentionally insult the people of another?

If you were interested in listening to Obama's speech rather than filtering his words through your own biases and ideology, you would understand that he encouraged all of us to be more respectful of other religions. He was not 'appeasing' by being inclusive.

You would have to live in a parallel universe if you think western attitudes should not be included in this reminder. One only has to read the postings on this blog to know the level of hate, racism and ignorance in this regard. A case in point would be 'an American' who compares Islam to nazism; others who consider muslims their 'mortal enemy', another who questions what, if anything, has any muslim ever done or contributed to the world... You will note these people make no distinction between a muslim and a terrorist. Of course, we also must consider they indulge in hyperbole, conjecture and flat earth thinking with no understanding of terms like socialism, fascism, nazism, etc.

Sadly, but not surprisingly, most of the people posting these dispicable views consider themselves Christians. So, I ask you: who really needs to be reminded that we should respect other religions?

An American

beloved,

Check out my Wish list on April 3rd 'The Answer to Obama's hand of Friendship' blog.

Thanks, look forward to your input if you have the time...

Olga

the same vain appeals were sent to the USA government and public opinion from the USSR. America stayed mute however - just half-mute however, but economics go first all the times! And now - that pc - political correctnes - too, how the "great spiritual Iran culture" may be dismissed, ah?

beloved

Hi An American, I'm having a working weekend, and will take a look sometime this week ((((hugs))))

Just popped in to celebrate with you and everybody. The Captain jumped over board and the US Navy made fish bait with those pirates! yeeeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaahahahahaaaa!!!! Captain Phillips is freeeeeeeeee!!! and on Easter!!!! Thank you, God!!!

Did O go to church and pray (to Jesus)?

Happy E'day, An American. Don't forget. Candy is on sale starting this afternoon!!!

So much to celebrate...

Augustus

Susan: But it's OK for Turkey, on behalf of the whole Muslim world, to create a major rumpus by considering the Danish Prime Minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen,
unfit to lead Nato because he hadn't apologized for the Danish newspaper cartoons back in 2005. Since when can anyone dictate who the North Atlantic Treaty Organization does or does not appoint as its leader?
Have we in the West become so afraid of the Muslim world that we are ready to give in to any of their perceived sensitivities and undemocratic religious politicking? It is now more than ever time for Nato, America, and anyone else in the free world to defend hard-won and freedoms of expression, beliefs, and human rights. Why should only Muslims be allowed a principled stand? Why should the creed of Mohammed be allowed emotional, political, and religious skimishes and attacks on the West and not expect to pay a price? I think, after having helped secure for Turkey guarantees that Rasmussen would appoint a Turk as a deputy, plus other top jobs for Turks in Nato, what I have said Obama should have mentioned would not have been disrespectful, but a good opportunity, coming from a former Muslim, for a world leader to speak some sense -
especially if he had prefaced it with 'it's nothing personal, but...'

C. Gee

Susan,
By all means make distinctions.
Islamism (political Islam, the dogma of Muslim terrorists), like Nazism and communism, is a totalitarian ideology. America is the mortal enemy of Islamists. Islam, like Christianity and Judaism, is an irrational superstition. It should get the respect it deserves. Obama, by the way, in respecting everything, respects nothing.

Anne-Kit

Susan, the question was not what any Muslim has done/contributed to the world, it was "how have Muslims enriched the US?"

Just curious, can you answer that question please? Nothing readily comes to mind ....

israel

Anne-Kit:

You ask:

Susan, the question was not what any Muslim has done/contributed to the world, it was "how have Muslims enriched the US?"

Then you say:

"Just curious, can you answer that question please? Nothing readily comes to mind ...."

Well here's something for ya, O.I.L.

Wouldn't have had too many of the Us industries working without it would ya.

Susan

C.Gee: I agree that distinctions are important. Indeed, that was my point.

On this site, the religion of Islam has been compared to nazism which is an incorrect analogy. Islam is based on a monotheistic religion whereas nazism is a body of political and economic doctrines that have no religious component. Islamism is a totalitarian ideology that supports political activism. The vast majority of Muslims are not involved in Islamism.

Again, if you review the writings on this site, you will note that either willfully or ignorantly, words and descriptives are inappropriately used to lend credence to an inflammatory comment. In the end, of course, it simply discredits the writer.

Anne-Kit: "How have Muslims enriched the US"? Let us consider there are an estimated three million Muslims living in the US, many of whom can trace their families to the founding of the republic. (Some estimates have the number as high as 8-10 million but there is no supporting data.) These individuals come from all walks of life, just as the rest of us do.
It is telling you would ask the question.

Augustus: Rasmussen was appointed NATO's Secretary-General; Erdogan was reassured. International organizations are rife with political posturing. The key players on this issue would have been briefed and the outcome known before the meeting even started. I think it has nothing to do with the 'creed of Mohammed' and everything to do with the typical jockeying for power. The US is and will continue to be the most dominant and influential member.

Matthew

"religion of Islam has been compared to nazism which is an incorrect analogy. Islam is based on a monotheistic religion whereas nazism is a body of political and economic doctrines that have no religious component. Islamism is a totalitarian ideology that supports political activism. "

Susan, this, with respect, is rubbish. You are simply rewriting history incorrectly when you say that Nazism has no religious component. If you knew your history you would know which religion vastly influenced Hitler's worldview and the resulting holocaust that happened. You come and lecture people here about history yet you know less yourself. How can we then trust what you say when you don't have the knowledge in the first place?

If you had any integrity you would perhaps start off by talking about Obama's extension to the Patriot Act (which I imagine you don't support)to give a balance that is all to lacking in the MSM - whose motivations for doing so are patently clear.

Susan

Matthew: No, it is not rubbish, it is fact. While the nazis often used the church to justify their stance and even included Christian symbols in their propaganda, the leaders and their ideology were uncompromisingly anti-religious.

However, this is not critical to the point I will reiterate: all Muslims are not terrorists; all terrorists are not Muslims; people who practise the Muslim faith are not nazis and Islam is not nazism.

Similarly, the Obama administration is not a fascist regime and it is ludicrous to compare the President to Mussolini. This is not a statement in support of Obama, it is simply a fact.

Engaging in the malicious misuse of words to describe an individual or a group of people is unethical, unkind and dangerous.

Matthew

Susan:

answer wrong. The Nazis did NOT, I repeat NOT, use Christianity to justify their stance. Go away and read up on what influenced the Fuehrer and then maybe you are able to see that Nazism does have a religious component. I see now that you have not reiterated your comment that nazism is a body of political and economic doctrines that have no religious component, and have instead stated that Islam is not Nazism. Do you still stand by both statements, or one, or neither?

This is laughable: you stand here lecturing people as if you are factually correct, when in fact you are not. People, including you, do not engage in a malicious misuse of words knowlingly. They say what they know to be the truth, so withdraw your insinuation that I am engaging in the malicious misuse of words.

I see you still have not commented on the extension to Patriot.

An American

Susan,

You spout nonsense as facts which is quite typical of a liberal.

For example:

Anne-Kit: "How have Muslims enriched the US"? Let us consider there are an estimated three million Muslims living in the US, many of whom can trace their families to the founding of the republic. (Some estimates have the number as high as 8-10 million but there is no supporting data.) These individuals come from all walks of life, just as the rest of us do".

You claim that Muslims helped found our US Republic? What an absolutely asinine statement.

Prove it....nowhere in our history books is there reference of Muslims fighting for independence from Britain.

But, I'm sure if people like you and Obama have your way in destroying our Republic, you'll rewrite our history books to make George Washington a Muslim.

Its liberals like you who are teaching and rewriting our history with this kind of rubbish in our public schools.

You just say anthing that fits your agenda...just like Obama.

I agree with Anne Kit and others when I say that Muslims have not enriched our American society in any dicernible way.

Augustus

An American: Those of the liberal (sorry, progressive) persuasion are very adept at crafting their own reality. Any challenge to their reality is met with immediate deflection and scorn for the one who is so utterly naive that they havn't recognized that the rules have changed, or 'evolved'. Language is now like the Constitution, adopted by liberals to reflect the times, rather than what the founding fathers meant it to be, and now means whatever an activist judge wants it to mean.
the word investment has taken on a whole new meaning, and climate change has replaced global warming (which makes sense since the earth is cooling). Oh, and bow now means a gesture of submission where the subservient one kneels deeply in front of the dominent one. And Obama most decidely didn't do that, as any moron can see.

This rearrangement of reality has a name, in medical terms it's called cognitive dissonance. But these ever changing rules mean that anyone who mentions that inconvenient fact, is de facto a member of a vast right-wing conspiracy. And membership of that group automatically disqualifies you from voicing any criticism. Actually, in terms of disorders, cognitive dissonance is extremely cool. Imagine being able to rearrage reality to your own specifications. In the blink of an eye, world peace is achievable. With the utterance of an impassioned plea the world is magically free of nukes. With a nod from 'the one' the UN becomes the only policing body the world needs. No longer is there a need to waste millions on defence. All threats are now only in the minds of conservatives. And let's not forget those terrorists. All of a sudden, with the wave of a hand of peace, they are rendered harmless. One of the coolest changes is the word sin. Sin now reflects only a few limited actions performed by those who still believe in God, or reside on the right. For the rest of us the only sin is any action or crime against Mother Nature. And crime now only refers to crime against the environment. All other crime, by actual criminals say, is now classified as an involuntary act brought about by a hapless victim. Obama promised change, and with a few adjustments here and there we're all on the brink of achieving Utopia. Now that's progressive!

The word liberal has been replaced by progressive,

israel

Augustus
April 14th, 2009 6:38pm:

Wow!!

Send that in to Beck at faux. He may have to ramp up the crazy somewhat but i'm sure he can use it!!!

Michael B

Matthew,

Hitler's Nazism was formed upon a neo-paganism and was additionally an allocation of Mussolini's fascism. Hitler certainly managed to use, to variously coopt, Christian and traditional religious elements throughout 1930's German society - and the suicidal Ludwig Muller's of that era allowed themselves to be enthusiastically coopted by Hitler and Nazism - but Nazism was not founded upon traditional or orthodox religious precepts, not remotely so.

Further, in allocating Mussolini's fascism, it should be acknowledged that Mussolini's own totalitarian and hyper-nationalist doctrine and praxis was a direct outgrowth of Mussolini's own lengthy commitment to international socialism - i.e. Marxism and a then nascent Marxist/Leninism, which included a personal relationship and detailed correspondence with V.I. Lenin himself. Mussolini was a premier intellectual and theoretician of his era, not a mere political bully or apparatchik.

Then, reaching back further still, to Marx himself, there's the subject of Marx's own extreme anti-Semitism, co-mixed with his anti-religious zealotry, which was murderously intended from the very beginning, though relatively few are aware of that fact and those who are aware of that fact are rarely willing to acknowledge and openly deal with it.

An American

Augustus,

Great insight into the mind of a socialist... Thank you.

But, sorry, I'll just keep calling them liberals, socialists, nitwits, etc. In their mind they think of themselves as progressive, forward thinking, all-knowing instead of what they are...destructive to all humankind.

I just read today that Dept. of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano has just released a 'threat' to all Americans who belong to (so called) right wing radical groups that are concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, about the loss of US sovereignty...specifically returning war veterans.

Except for not being a war vet, I guess I fill their bill as do approximately 80% of American citizens on at least one or more of those concerns.

I'm sure Susan would be thrilled with Obama's latest threat to conservatives like myself right before the Tax Day protest tomorrow. But, it won't work, I can't wait to attend with protest placards in hand.

This will be my first protest against my government...will let you all know how it goes. I would appreciate hearing from those of you who attended in your city/state...

Anne-Kit

Susan, you didn't answer my question, or perhaps you didn't understand it. What I was looking for in asking how muslims have enriched the nation of the United States of America was not how many citizens it has of muslim persuasion or origin; I fail to see how that in itself constitutes "enrichment".Mere citizenship or existing is of no intrinsic merit.

I was trying to think of examples of citizens of outstanding achievements or character like, for example Martin Luther King (Christian) or Vladimir Horowitz (Jewish), the eminent Russian/American pianist.

These two examples are just what came off the top of my head in an instant. Try as I may, I cannot think of a single US citizen of muslim origin who stands out in a positive way ... In fact, muslim nations of the world are not known for their contributions to peace, science, medicine, arts, etc etc.

Perhaps you can help?

beloved

See all of you wonderful Patriots aka "Enemies of the State" at the anti-Tax TEA Party tomorrow!!!! yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaa!!!! USA!!! USA!!!! and GB!!!

Hey Moonbats, Lefties, and Obowie! I'll Keep My Political Rights and Money. You Keep the 'Change'!

Conservative Cabbie

An American/ Beloved and any other freedom loving Americans.

Enjoy your tea parties, here's hoping your parties are successful ones.

An American

Michael B.

I can see from your post, that you've studied Nazism, Facism and Communism.

When I look up the specific descriptions of these three socialist movements, I believe that Fascism is the closest to what Obama is trying to foist on America.

I realize that we've had a creeping socialism since FDR and we are infected. Is there any hope for the patient and what type of socialism do you see Obama and his Democratic cronies trying to push us toward?

Why do you think that men continue to try to take governments where history shows failure and collapse?

Thanks for your interesting post.

logdon

From Harry's Place

Jeremy Bowen guilty of breaking guidelines on inaccuracy and impartiality

Your View, April 15th 2009, 10:58 am

This is a guest post by Chas Newkey Burden

Breaking news: The BBC’s Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen has been found guilty by the BBC Trust’s Editorial Standards Committee (ESC) of breaking BBC guidelines on accuracy and impartiality in his coverage of Israel. (This is the news I mentioned that was due to break tomorrow morning. The announcement has been brought forward.)

This has been a long time coming. Time and time again Bowen has distorted and twisted his coverage of the Middle East. To list all the examples would be a mammoth undertaking.

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/04/15/jeremy-bowen-found-guilty-of-inaccuracy-and-impartiality/

And the BBCPDF

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/appeals/esc_bulletins/2009/mar.txt

Augustus

Logdon: Great news about Jeremy Bowen, although IMO the BBC doesn't give a damn about a code of journalistic ethics where Israel reporting is concerned. They ought to smuggle Bowen into Zimbabwe and let him do a stint there, and keep him well away from Israel in future. But will they...?

Tommo

But the Obama household now has a dog which everyone knows is haram. They also drink alcohol (haram), Obama females shamelessly do not cover their heads (haram) or attend the mosque (gross haram). However Obama did bow very low to the Saudi king.I thought he might have been kissing his ring!

beloved

Thanks, Cabbie!

It was great.

Yesterday, the US government put out a report naming the political profile of the average conservative American as a potential terrorist threat. No joke, we're officially thought criminals! The report included military vets returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan as terrorist threats, too. We're all enemies of the state, now!

Everybody was talking about how they are enemies of the state at the Tea Party, and some people had signs about it saying, 'the politicians in Washington are the real terrorists.' The US government insulted them.

I ran into individual protesters all day on side streets. Some people just had their own little neighborhood tea parties and some were out selling signs. I bought one, but made my own, too. We had approximately 500 protestors in my small town and traffic honking horns in support as they passed us.

Kids in a school bus asked why we are "striking." We had to explain that when we are dead, they will be paying for our debt, and we are trying to stop that. They did not like hearing about the spending.

My 80 year old mother stood at the street waving a sign, "Don't Tread on Me," and "Term limits now!" If I were Homeland Security, I would not want her mad at me. My sign said "Taxed Enough Already" and had the Don't Tread on Me flag.

I could not begin to relate all the signs. Everybody made them, and they were clever. They protested big government, earmarks, stimulus, TARP, bail outs and taxes.

There were kids out there waving signs, "It's not my debt! You keep the change!"

I kept hearing people say, I've never protested anything in my life before. We're the silent majority.

We're planning another one July 4th in my town.

There were about 750 across the country, but that is an understatement. So many small towns like mine probably were not counted and there is no way to count the number who simply placed a sign on their car or stood outside on the street corner waving a sign.

CNN is hostile to us. Instead of simply reporting the story, their reporters argued with the protesters and yelled at them, and then turned to the camera and disparaged the protesters and tried to invalidate their voices. They mocked them.

It was different in my town. The local paper was there quietly asking questions and taking photos. They were nice.

Got to go. I have to work tonight to make up taking off time today.

Thank you, everybody for your support.

Dixon

Alright Augustus, a good post except that "cognitive dissonance" doesn't mean that at all. It actually refers to the discomfort caused by a contradiction between two perceptions competing in the same nervous system. Analogous to the dissonance which results from conflicting tones in music.

israel

Beloved:

As you well know that report was authorised by the bush administration and did not actually say conservatives. It was reporting the rise of rightwing extremism as well as their attempt to target vunerable returning war veterans into their causes but it says a lot to think that people on the right of US politics like boss limbaugh, hannity, malkin, and yourself think it was about you.

I also think that it's interesting that you are boasting about your astroturfed events yesterday heavily promoted by faux news yet was still in terms of protests a massive fail. Why the critism of CNN? Was it because they actually asked questions about the reason people were there? Reasons that had nothing to do with taxes, like the guy with the "Obama is a fascist" sign who couldn't articulate why that was the case? Was it because even with the hourly promoting from faux for over two weeks for this lobbyist organised case of wingnut welfare you still managed to get less than a fifth of the people who were at the immigration rally in LA three years ago and one tenth of the people who were in D.C in one of the Anti-war rallies? Why are you so upset that the rate of tax for the top 5% has gone up from 36% to 39% anyway? You do realise it's still 10% lower than it was under St Ronnie of Reagan don't you? As 95% of the people have had a tax cut it's easy to see why most wouldn't be bothered to turn up.

You are correct, people were mocked, and not just for the innuedo which went over the heads of those who organised it. Where were you and the rest of these "protesters" for the eight years of bush's spending explosion? Can you seriously say that had there been a continuation of a republican president you would have been on the streets protesting and that faux would have promoted it at all?

The real truth is that this was an occasion for a part of the 26% of people who didn't vote for or don't like President Obama to go out and vent their collective spleens. The fact that you have a major campaign by D.C rightwing lobbyists, a late attempt to jump on the band wagon from the GOP leadership, and the media arm of the GOP aiding them makes it even sadder that the turnout was so low.

An American

C. Cabbie and beloved,

Yesterday was a great day for Americans! I didn't expect it to be fun...but it was. There were between 3,000-5,000 people at the Tea Party I attended. After speechs we all stood along one of our main 6 lane avenues for some 6-7 blocks as people were driving home from work. There was a major traffic jam because many supporters came out in their cars with signs and flags to support us. People were giving us thumbs up and honking...we were all cheering...the signs were mostly homemade and everyone seem to have one so you can imagine how funny, creative, and frank they were. The atmosphere was extremely positive with even a few people with Obama stickers on their cars were laughing and being good sports.

It was cathargic and reassuring for me that so many Americans feel the same as myself and plan fo fight against Obama and the left's destruction of America.

Pelosie said these hundreds of thousands of protesters were wealthy...I don't know how she knew that...I just saw fellow Americans, white, hispanic, oriental and black. Pelosie has no idea what's coming her way...I'm surprised she didn't tell all of us to eat cake, the arrogant airhead.

The media gave us as little air time as possible and I believe they reported the numbers lower than they were. Initally, our local media reported we had hundreds when we had many thousands. Our newspaper did put it on the front page and page 2 with two pictures. I didn't see very much coverage on local TV, as expected. But, all in all, it was a great experience.

Israel,

I've lost all respect for you after your latest diatribe.
Your blog is filled with out and out lies...what are you and the far left liberal media so afraid of?

Michael B

April 16th, 2009 1:22pm,
All you're doing is leveraging a set of sneers and arrogations upon underlying sneers, snide and facile contempt in general. Very CNN-like, reminiscent of CNN's Eason Jordan in Iraq, excepting you're now applying it in a domestic vein. Go sneer and apply your deceits elsewhere.

Michael B

An American,
I will answer in a serious manner, absent any ironic inflections.
Marxism, Fascism and Nazism - therein invoked in both chronological order and according to ideological lineage - can best be understood via recourse to Leszek Kolakowski's magisterial "Main Currents of Marxism" - a general and very likely unsatisfying reference only, to Kolakowski's voluminous magnum opus, but there it is, though a magnum opus that is preeminently deserving of the ascription. And, btw, Kolakowski is a genuine eminence of the 20th century.
And most certainly and absolutely there is hope, and a well grounded hope, though it is waning imo rather than waxing, despite some contrary appearances, which may be little more than chimeras, given now decided Leftist underpinnings after the long march through the institutions, the resulting zeitgeist, etc. The baby has now long been thrown out with the bath-water, in terms of maturely - in our world come of age - grappling with and coming to terms with the "spiritual" (i.e. ontological) underpinnings of social/political comity and foundational conceptions in general.

Still, as something of a caveat to that waning hope, not all that is too readily placed under the rubric of "socialism" is regressive or detrimental. To again indulge a very general sensibility only, there is nothing wrong - even to the contrary - with social/political praxis that might be placed under the rubric of "the year of jubilee," qualitatively understood. The problem with the Left/Dems in the U.S., Obama preeminently, is that they are indulging and systematizing it in an inter-generational and decades-long sense, rather than a mere "year-long" sense and "momentarily."
In any case, history moves. Whether it moves absent-mindedly, or more mind-fully, is what remains to be seen. But a well grounded hope is always available. Always.

beloved

Israel...you are misnamed. The report came out this week from Commissar Napolitano, and she is apologizing for it, obviously shaking in her jackboots after our tea parties. But, the report still stands and is political profiling. You are a hypocrite if you do not stand against it.

You obviously missed what happened in the last election. Republicans voted against their own party at the last election because of TARP, Fannie, Freddie, bail outs, and spending. Too bad Democrats do not hold their own members to the same fire because we would not be where we are now if they did. Some estimates are ten percent of conservatives did not vote at all, as a protest. Some voted for the Libertarian candidate, Bob Barr, and any Republican congress member who voted for a bail out lost their seat. We can't say the same about Dem Congress Members. Where have you and your side been? You are completely screwed up in your interpretation. But, the leftist MSM doesn't get us either. They live in an insular world where they think everybody thinks as far left and big government as they do. You need to start listening. It is to your side's detriment that you do not and that you purposely warp the facts about us. These are signs that you are losing.

beloved

The New Face Of Terrorism

They can be stopped. It is your duty to report all suspicious rightwing extremist activity.

Signs to Watch for: Military Service, Displaying the US flag, Support of Republican or Libertarian Candidates, Quoting The Constitution or The Founding Fathers, Watching Fox News, Listening to Conservative Talk Radio, Attending Tea Parties, Owning Firearms, Speaking Against Open Borders, Worshiping God Not Obama.

If you witness any of these behaviors please inform Party officials, and the offending terrorist will be sent to the Karl Marx Treatment Center for re-education.

It is your duty to report thought crimes of other citizens, preferably your parents and co-workers, to local commissars. You might receive extra rations and a new shovel.

beloved

following words sung to "Sixteen Tons"-Tennessee Ernie Ford

Obama got elected, now there is no end;
The Democrats wanna tax and spend,
Tax and spend us into bankruptcy,
With a tax-cheat runnin' our Treasury.

You spend two trillion bucks, and what do you get?
No recovery but deeper in debt.
St. Peter better call me fore it's too late;
I owe my soul to the welfare state!

Obama is a leftist, as he can't deny;
Govern from the center, was a great big lie.
Karl Marx Manifesto is his playbook,
And you and me soon will be on the hook.

You spend two trillion bucks, in unsecured cash;
Soon the dollar will be pure trash.
Our bond holders we have to appease;
We owe our soul to the Red Chinese.

Obama and his people are makin' a mess,
Bernanke's fired up the printing press,
Printin' money that don't exist,
No wonder America is gettin' peeved.

You spend two trillion bucks,
They aint done yet!
Obama and Pelosi are pilin' up the debt.
I work hard for the money, this I don't deserve
We owe our souls to the Federal Reserve!

Mr Melrose

Beloved said....

The New Face Of Terrorism

They can be stopped. It is your duty to report all suspicious rightwing extremist activity...
etc.

Is this official democrat policy or did you just make it all up?

BTW I would have thought anyone who regularly listens to conservative talk radio and owns a gun is almost certainly a threat to themselves as well as others (brains turned to mush by years of stories of the horrors of immigration etc)

beloved

An American,

I found this at drudge report.

Any given week ratings. These are for this week:

overall
FOXNEWS 3,390,000
MSNBC 1,210,000
CNN 1,070,000
CNN HEADLINE 909,000

Individuals
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,980,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 3,239,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,947,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,740,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,401,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,185,000
COMEDY DAILY SHOW 1,777,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,499,000
COMEDY COLBERT 1,446,000
CNNHN GRACE 1,336,000
CNN KING 1,292,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,149,000
CNN COOPER 1,021,000

New York Times is cutting back because of loss of customer base, and in Atlanta, the moonbat left director of editorial news Cynthia Tucker was fired after terrorizing Americans with far left fringe bias for over 20 years. This came in Atlanta on the heels of the giant tea party they had in that city.

OH, but remember America is not a conservative nation and neither does it hold to Jewish-Christian beliefs (tongue in cheek).

We are winning against tyranny with our pocket books.

israel

Beloved:

As the moderator seems to be too scared to print my replies to you about your astroturfed demos on wednesday can you tell us how many of the cable companies supply faux as part of the basic package and how many charge for the likes of CNN and MSNBC?

Also can you tell us how the viewing figures of faux line up against the real nightly news broadcasts of NBC, ABC and CBS?

Thank you.

An American

Mr. Melrose,

It's a spoof...but frankly, not too far from what we see happening in Obamanation with his 5 billion dollar internal thug army now in the making.

Right before the Tea Partys which they're now saying had approximately 750,000 protesters, Obama's Dept. of Homeland Security sent out terrorist information to local police stations that was nothing short of a threat to Conservative Americans. For specifics, read my comment on April 14th,11:05. It tells it all.

Napolitano has now given a pathetic minimal apology to our military veterans...it should have gone to all Americans, but she only did it to put out the fires nationwide asking for her to be fired. The lefties are definitely worried about the right and they should be...we're all fed up. These latest Tea Parties were a shot across their bow.

An American

beloved,

Why would the oldest Jesuit College in the US, Georgetown University cover up the written symbol of Christ at the request of the left's 'Messiah' before his speech. I thought it ominous that Christ's symbol was covered with a black triangle.

All the warnings are there in the bible. Many Americans are worshipping at the altar of Obama...now he's busy covering up signs of the real Messiah, apparently someone he feels he's in competition with.

BTW, did he finally find a church to attend on Easter. I'm sure he misses his Black-power, damming of God, anti-American, Rev. Wright church in Chicago. Obama felt right at home there...what has our nation come to?

An American

beloved,

My husband's sign said "I'm Conservative...Dept. of Homeland Security is Watching". My sign said "Throw the Bums Out" with the names of our Congressmen. I drew a very large fat pig with hooves sprouting money, with money cascading down throughout the sign...all of the signs were quite inventive. One young woman had a sign that just said 'Slave'.

We'll be at the next Tea Party on July 4th with new signs.

The behavior of the liberal media was unforgivable...degenerates with their sick sexual innuendos. It had to be explained to decent people like myself who didn't understand what they were implying, but apparently most of the CNN and CNBC's talking heads were right at home with it. A portion of our society as sunk into a cesspool with these degenerates swimming in it.

An American

Israel,

When we last talked several months ago about liberal newspapers going out of business, you were in denial. Well, take your head out of the sand...its happening nation wide.

The NY Times is selling off its property and sacking its reporters while treading water, trying to keep its leftie nose above water...how very deserving of this lying worthless rag.

Many of us will celebrate when the NY Times and the LA Times stop their presses for eternity.

NBC is in real trouble and will be the first to succumb to the far-left socialist disease...to be followed by ABC and CBS.

beloved

An American: Why would the oldest Jesuit College in the US, Georgetown University cover up the written symbol of Christ at the request of the left's 'Messiah' before his speech. I thought it ominous that Christ's symbol was covered with a black triangle.

beloved: why? O does not like competition. I love your signs!

israel

An American:

So what you are saying is that NBC, ABC, and CBS will fall before Newscorp? maybe you should read just how much money Murdoch is hemmoriging and how much his personal fortune, tied to his media empire has decreased. You talk of head in the sand but fail to mention that ALL newspapers arein trouble in the US regardless of political afiliation. Are you really trying to say that all the ones that have shut down have just been liberal ones. Were the Rocky Mountain News of Denver, Colorado, and the Seattle Post-Intelligencer both liberal rags? Why did the AP and Murdoch go after Google news so viciously last week if they weren't really scared? Keep to your pipe dreams about NBC, CBS, and ABC folding first. Faux is part of the free basic cable package and is kept going at the moment by it's anti-Obama hatefest. I wonder how hard those who rant there are hoping for another Lewinsky incident. Then again, with beck opening his mouth the right don't really need one, do they?

beloved

Mr Melrose asks an important q: Is this official democrat policy or did you just make it all up?

beloved: Here's an article for those curious about this. The article explains the US government's new policy:

http://townhall.com/Columnists/OliverNorth/2009/04/17/i_am_an_extremist

Mr Melrose: BTW I would have thought anyone who regularly listens to conservative talk radio and owns a gun is almost certainly a threat to themselves as well as others (brains turned to mush by years of stories of the horrors of immigration etc)

beloved: Name all the assassins, bombers, terrorists, and genocidal dictators that come from the right.

Listening to conservative radio while owning a gun is a new crime, but it is your crime.

Gun ownership is as common as pet ownership. You may as well include pet owners on your list of criminals.

beloved

oh, forgot to tell you, Oleg aka Red Square at the People's Cube wrote the above spoof. Oleg lived under communism in the USSR until he moved to the US, where he now enlightens wide eyed Americans about living under tyranny. Without him, we would not know the proper demeanor for worshiping Great Leaders. He is also helping us to get in touch with our Inner Comrades and to love Shovels for when O's "Shovel Ready" stimulus projects begin.

http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=3154

An American

beloved,

How about Obama's 'in the hood, ghetto' handshake with Hugo Chavez? What an embarrassment...Even his ole Commie brother Hugo was a bit taken back. I bet Hugo is smacking his lips now and telling all his fellow Commies in S. America that the US is now ripe for the picking with this silly girlie boy president now in power.

This is old news, but this latest stunt brought it back...
Did you see Obama on the View when all those liberal old hags told him how sexy he was...He actually fanned his face with both hands and giggled...yech!

An American

Israel,

I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Washington state is conservative. This is the state that allows people to ride bikes in the nude and lets perverts expose themselves to children at bus stops...Wash. state is just a continuation of Californication...most of the residents are from there.
How do you feel about California using your tax dollars to bail themselves out? I guess I should ask if you pay federal taxes? Will this make you feel fulfilled and happy to know that the fat cat politicians were unwilling to cut one single bloated project that everyone can live without?

I find it interesting that Obama and the liberal media is now saying that our Tea Partys were planned by the Rep. party or whoever...nothing could be further from the truth. It is a true grass-roots movement and that scares them. I didn't stand out there and protest for three hours just for myself and my family, I did it for all Americans. The message is that if the Republicans don't shape up, they can ship out and we'll form a more conservative party to win the next elections. We are all completely fed up with big government and the waste and control. They've forgotten that they are there to serve us, not the other way around...giving all of our hard earned money over to them to spend and waste while telling us what we must think. We're fed up with the arrogance of all of these lawyer politicans.

The main reason we have a Federal government is for protection from outside invasion. Other than building roads and ruining our educational system, passing thousands of laws ment to control our very lives...what good is it?

If we could strip the federal government down by two thirds, we would all be so much better off...yes, even you.

Yes, I was sad to see the Rocky Mountain News go under...those poor suckers in Colo. will be fed liberal lies from now on.

I've noticed that Limbaugh's listener numbers have gone up by 20%...that's good news.

An American

Israel,

I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Washington state is conservative. This is the state that allows people to ride bikes in the nude and lets perverts expose themselves to children at bus stops...Wash. state is just a continuation of Californication...most of the residents are from there.
How do you feel about California using your tax dollars to bail themselves out? I guess I should ask if you pay federal taxes? Will this make you feel fulfilled and happy to know that the fat cat politicians were unwilling to cut one single bloated project that everyone can live without?

I find it interesting that Obama and the liberal media is now saying that our Tea Partys were planned by the Rep. party or whoever...nothing could be further from the truth. It is a true grass-roots movement and that scares them. I didn't stand out there and protest for three hours just for myself and my family, I did it for all Americans. The message is that if the Republicans don't shape up, they can ship out and we'll form a more conservative party to win the next elections. We are all completely fed up with big government and the waste and control. They've forgotten that they are there to serve us, not the other way around...giving all of our hard earned money over to them to spend and waste while telling us what we must think. We're fed up with the arrogance of all of these lawyer politicans.

The main reason we have a Federal government is for protection from outside invasion. Other than building roads and ruining our educational system, passing thousands of laws ment to control our very lives...what good is it?

If we could strip the federal government down by two thirds, we would all be so much better off...yes, even you.

Yes, I was sad to see the Rocky Mountain News go under...those poor suckers in Colo. will be fed liberal lies from now on.

I've noticed that Limbaugh's listener numbers have gone up by 20%...that's good news.

beloved

I did not answer Mr. Melrose about non-cable versus cable ratings. Here is my answer.

Advertisers treat cable and non-cable as two separate media, as different as Radio is to Print. Therefore, cable shows rate in competition with other cable shows for those advertisers who want to advertise on cable.

The reason can be traced to government regulation.

The US government's rules for cable and non-cable are very different. The government tightly controls non-cable TV. You won't see alcohol advertised on non-cable TV, for instance, because it is against US regulations. But, you can see beer and liquor commercials on Cable. Advertisers naturally gravitate to the less government restricted venue of cable. Cable is inherently more free in other ways, such as programming content.

This freedom from government intrusion means that cable viewership carries more weight than non-cable TV. People watch cable more often because the programming is better. Therefore, advertisers prefer cable, programmers prefer cable, and conservative shows beat out liberal shows in the media where free choice rules.

The same phenomenon has visited unregulated radio. Hence, the Democratic Party's push to regulate cable, radio, and sometimes the internet. Progressive policies of the Left must be imposed on free people because nobody wants them.

Thank you for the opportunity to explain.

israel

An American:

I will attempt again to reply to you about your astroturfed events on wednesday. People were not saying that they were organised by the republicans, just that they jumped on the bandwagon hoping to claim any sucess it was supposed to have as a validiction of conservatives. You say that you were there for all americans? Which ones were they, the 95% who earn less than $250,000 a year who got a tax cut or the 5% who earn more than $250,000 a year who saw their taxes increase from 36% to 39% (still a full 10% less than under Reagan)? I also love the fact that even with all the free advertising on faux news (107 adverts in 10 days, 49 of them 30 second spots between shows? How much in advertising revenue was THAT worth?!?!?!?), the work of conservative lobby groups like Dick Armey's Freedom's Works and Newt gingrich's American Solutions, live broadcasts from beck, hannity, cavuto and van susteren (the Alamo? Really?), all those robocalls and all that promoting from rightwing sites (apart from Little Green Footballs who called them kooks) there were still less people there than at the immigration rally in LA three years ago.

Good idea for the next one though. The choice of July 4th is inspired!! That way you can easily claim that all those people who are their to celebrate America's birthday are there instead to help lay the astroturf. It will also mean that you will be able to get some ethnic minorites in the photos this time.

Just two questions though. This is the bush/paulson tax plan, which means it was put through before November 5th. How is it that it took til now for people to be so concerned about george bush's last budget?

The second question is simple. Don't you think its a bit silly to protest wasteful spending by dumping 1 million teabags in a park?

beloved

Israel, would you prefer that we throw urine at pedestrians, as the Left does?

I stapled a teabag to my sign. It's symbolic. The Left is making fun of symbolic gestures and that is the best they come up with.

Here's a song for you, Israel. It was sung during the Revolutionary War when we confronted similar tyranny:

entitled "Liberty Song"

http://www.contemplator.com/america/liberty.html

Come, join hand in hand, brave Americans all,
And rouse your bold hearts at fair Liberty's call;
No tyrannous acts shall suppress your just claim,
Or stain with dishonor America's name.

Chorus
In Freedom we're born and in Freedom we'll live.
Our purses are ready. Steady, friends, steady;
Not as slaves, but as Freemen our money we'll give.

Our worthy forefathers, let's give them a cheer,
To climates unknown did courageously steer;
Thro' oceans to deserts for Freedom they came,
And dying, bequeath'd us their freedom and fame.

Chorus

The tree their own hands had to Liberty rear'd,
They lived to behold growing strong and revered;
With transport they cried, Now our wishes we gain,
For our children shall gather the fruits of our pain.

Chorus

Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all,
By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall;
In so righteous a cause let us hope to succeed,
For heaven approves of each generous deed.

Chorus

In Freedom we're born and in Freedom we'll live.
Our purses are ready. Steady, friends, steady;
Not as slaves, but as Freemen our money we'll give.

end quote

Israel, why do you oppose freedom? Why do you promote the tyranny of a small band of elites and the enslavement of millions?

israel

Beloved:

"Israel, why do you oppose freedom? Why do you promote the tyranny of a small band of elites and the enslavement of millions?"

You are kidding right?

Your question is either a wind up or you are completely unaware of what the word irony means. Its now l can understand why there is a so called "Angry Left" in america when l read rightwinger spout the stuff you have done in your above post.

Under george bush you had in america the following:

The Patriot Act, warrentless wiretapping, illegal war, blacksite internment camps, torture, removal of Habeus Corpus, federal agencies spying on the Quakers of all groups, "free speech zone" that kept protester a mile away from those they disagreed with, the outing of a CIA agent because her husband pointed out one of the reasons to start the ilegal war was a lie, the questioning of the patriotism of those who didn't just fall in lockstep with the republican viewpoint, the use of signing statements to circumvent the will of congress, AND THE BIGGEST INCREASE IN THE GAP BETWEEN THE TOP 5% OF EARNERS AND THE BOTTOM SINCE THE 1920's and its only NOW after those eight years and all that grabbing of power that you ask the question of why tyranny is promoted?

What, did you think that karl rove was right and there would be a permanent rightwing government? Is that why you sat back and said nothing? When the report came out from the bush DHS about extremists groups why did most rightwingers think it meant them? Why was it okay for the government to have all the rights to do what it did not something to protest, let alone question when your side was in power, but now you have a democratic President and Congress you think people should take to the streets? One would say that you are mixing up tyranny with losing. Thats not my idea, l didn't come up with it, but l am starting to agree.

An American

Israel,

You miss the entire point that we are attempting to make.

This is far bigger than our federal taxes going up. Our federal government is out of control. Its about the trillions upon trillions they are spending on dog poo parks, swimming pools, money sent to Ireland, a $140,000 carved wooden door for a community center building in my city, etc. etc. etc....they are spending trillions upon trillions that the fed does not have. They are so out of control, that even Communist China will no longer lend us money. We didn't agree with Bush and Paulson's stimulus when they proposed it...and it didn't work. And the Obama administration is much worse. Its spent more in the 100 days he's been president than all other past administrations combined. What Obama and the liberals are doing to our children and grandchildren's futures is criminal...they are going to be taxed into their graves...And all in the name of socialism. I truly believe that this is a power ploy to turn us into another Sweden with 70% taxes in the future. Remember, they haven't done anything about Social Security which is a two-ton elephant in the room. Their solution will be to tax all of us...yes, you too, out of all their problems...that's the only thing that Democrats know to do and they do it very well. They use class envy that you've fallen for hook, line and sinker to get it done.

If you and I conducted our business and checkbooks like the Congress, we would be put into jail for fraud. There is no money in the the so-called 'lock box', that we've all been paying into from our monthly checks for eons, to pay for Social Security...they've spent it on their pet projects...its a disgrace how both Republicans and Democrats have wasted American worker's money...and people are finally waking up to that fact.

Unfortunately, its gotten and will continue to get much worse under Obama. It all fits into his socialist agenda.

I think it insulting to compare what I did for my countrymen on Tax day to the Mexican rally which was done entirely for selfish reasons...Apparently you believe its ok to sneak into the US, take jobs, not pay taxes most of the time, use our schools, hospitals, facilities...wave Mexican flags and have the arrogance to stick their illegal status in our faces...

The media didn't report or fairly estimate the Tax day crowds...I believe it was much bigger considering what I saw in my city.

You bring up the same Democratic mantra 'Class Envy' and rich against poor. Yeah...its better that we all be poor, that way there won't be a wonderful future to look forward to by working hard and achieving.

No one sent either my husband or me to college. We did it on our own. My husband has been quite successful in his field. We've worked hard all of our lives to have financial security. Why do you and Obama hate us and want to punish us for that?

beloved

That's it? George Bush? Newsflash: Bush isn't president any more, and I have no idea what individual protesters think about the Patriot Act. We're protesting for fiscal responsibility and small US Federal power. You completely miss what the Tea Parties are about. Americans became angry last October because of TARP that bailed out Wall Street, and the spending and federal power grab has increased since then. You also misunderstand the character of the protesters. I do not doubt that many are conservatives and libertarians, (so what???) but do you know there are conservatives in the Democratic Party? Do you know Libertarians oppose the Congressional Patriot Act, as well as ALL FOREIGN WARS Past, Present, and Future? You clearly do not have a good map of the landscape. Leftist propaganda has confused you. The protests are about the growth of government through taxing and spending. We're taxed at the Fed, state (with a few exceptions), and local levels, and you know about the government stimulus spending. We are against the marriage of business and government (the "Commanding Heights" as Lenin described it) and for tax reform, hence a Tea Party on April 15th.

We have a Constitutional right to protest and petition the government whether our candidate wins an election or not.

I won the election for my candidates in Congress and at the state level, lost only for the President, yet I'm protesting.

If you want to discuss our grievances, you should at least listen to us first instead of our detractors in the media and internet. They are promoting Fedzilla's control beyond the Constitutional limits. They foolishly believe a utopia will manifest when the far left controls all three branches of the Federal government through the Democratic Party. But, in fact they will watch their own earned wealth dwindle, as well as their freedoms enumerated in the Bill of Rights. There are no Oprah Winfreys and Sean Penns and Moveon.orgs in Venezuela.

You would think from the propaganda they spread about themselves, the Left would be leading the Tea Parties. The truth is the Left cares nothing about human rights. They never have.

We are enemies of the Left merely because we oppose tyranny. We did not make it so.

Michael B

April 18th, 2009 8:02pm, aka israel,
I'm picturing you and the Big Bad Wolf standing in front of a mirror, enunciating the word "astroturf" with varying degrees of practiced, CNN-like sophistical contempt.
That you appear to believe what you're forwarding, demonstratively and again CNN-like, provides further bemusement still.

israel

Beloved:

I KNOW bush isn't president anymore. I'm not ignoring your points because they are actuially very good. Yes there are conservatives in the democratic caucus the main one being Evan Baye at the moment and i'm sure your concerns about the increase of government spending are genuine. There are a few reasons why what you have just posted has had be contemplating if l should bang my head against my keyboard or not. If you could kindly answer these questions it would clearup a few things that l am obviously confused about according to you.

If, as you say, you are protesting for fiscal responsibility, reduction of US Federal power, the growth of government through taxing and spending,and the marriage of business and government why are you only protesting now?

"We have a Constitutional right to protest and petition the government whether our candidate wins an election or not."

Yes, and so did all of those leftwingers shoved into cages during the republican conventions or at any time they wished to protest the 44th President when he wanted to make speeches. Did you fight for their rights to protest at those closed off events paid for with public money?

"If you want to discuss our grievances, you should at least listen to us first instead of our detractors in the media and internet."

What? Like you all listened to those who were against going to Iraq? Like the respect the likes of limbaugh, hannity, coulter et al gave to those who opposed the bush aganda?

"They foolishly believe a utopia will manifest when the far left controls all three branches of the Federal government through the Democratic Party."

Beloved, if you just swap the words "left" for "right" and "Democratic" for "Republican" then you have the tactic which had been tried and expected to work until the 2006 mid-terms!!

"We are enemies of the Left merely because we oppose tyranny. We did not make it so."

Okay, so as this great fighter of tyranny l ask again:

When you had the largest increase in government and government spending, with big business tied to the presidency, with a VP who declared himself outside the three branches of government, and acts of congress which allowed you to be spied apon, arrested and detained without charge just because the president declares you an enemy, and removes your rights to protest in from of elected leaders DID YOU FIGHT AGAINST THAT? If your answer is no then everything you haveposted above means very little. I posted above that l agreed with the comment that some right wingers are confusing tyranny with losing, they have no problems with the actions of a republican administration (hence the bush reference). It also seems that they only discovered that they are libetarians when there is a democratic administration in charge.

israel

Michael B:
The big bad wolf?

I ain't nothing but a hound dog, although i'm not crying all the time. Your comment is a bit of a Pointer to where you stand on the protests and as l wouldn't want you to roll over, play dead and just agree with me it would have been nice for you to sit and stay while l would continue to make my point without begging. There. Enough canine references l think.

Nor would l do something as Narscasistic as standing in front of a mirror (l have no political asperations, but like most of the people who post here l DO like the sound of my own voice). I'm not sure if my contempt for the astroturfed events of wednesday are CNN-like l would have gone MSNBC myself. Just glad you didn't think l was doing a faux news streetwalker impersonation and promoting it instead. Happy to know you found what l was doing amusing. Warren Mitchell always said that bigots found Alf Garnett funny too.

(I'm not calling you a bigot, i'm just using it as an example!!)

BTW Israel is not an alias, it's actually my name. I have no reason to hide it or to be ashamed of it as i've had it for nearly 40 years.

beloved

High Five to An American!

You can't get more grassroots than us.

I received an email from my local Republican Party in support of the Tea Parties. They tried to sound "cool;" it was so funny. Bless their hearts. Also, my Republican House Rep showed up at our Tea Party. They had better be listening if they value their jobs. I would hope the Democratic Party would embrace us as well, but apparently they are not. They are attacking us! Oh well...less taxes, smaller government is simply nonexistent in the Democratic Party soul. It is no surprise that the National Black Republican Association calls the Democratic Party the party of four s's: slavery, secession, segregation, and socialism, and that Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. The Dem Party has always promoted slavery in America, and I see no "change" in that.

An American

beloved,

Agreed!...that's what made the Tea Party so interesting. Everyone there could see Obamanation's 'big' picture and it's damm scary. If we can't put a stop to it soon...it will be too late for everyone, even Israel.

Did you know that Israel is black? He will find your comments on the NBRA's comments stimulating.

I hope he'll give his answers to my last blog along with his reasons. Its interesting to look into the inner workings of a liberal's brain...they are definitely wired differently. Israel is intelligent but can't seem to get over his Bushhate...the media and Democrats did a real seven year-long head-job on him.

beloved

Israel,

I started protesting America's turn to the left before I was old enough to vote. I read great works and attended political rallies with my family. I kicked up the pressure on elected officials beginning in 2000 with letters, petitions, and editorials in the local paper. I did not vote for Bush in 2000 because I rightly discerned a Moderate Republican (a RHINO). I have never voted for an increase in size of government or taxes for anybody (rich or poor), and also have never missed a local or national election, except one local election when my schedule overwhelmed me. I have always kept in contact with my elected officials even before email, and went out of my way to visit their local offices to meet them face to face. I look at Libertarian candidates as seriously as Republicans ones, and have voted for a few Libertarians. I was against the expansion of medical welfare under Bush, but supported his efforts to reform Social Security that the Dem Congress refused to do. Conservatives opposed Bush on illegal immigration, although illegal immigration is not a big issue with me, and I oppose English as a national language on libertarian grounds. I did not protest the war on terror because I condemn the attackers for 9/11, and I have friends and family who have fought or are now fighting in the war, including my son. In addition, Congress declared war. I am a loyal citizen of the USA, and I will not help our enemies especially in a time of war. I have never held a sign at a protest until the Tea Party--unless you want to count two silent prayer marches for victims of abortion that I attended back in the 1980s. What else do you need to understand? Between An American and I, we have explained our protest pretty well. You would hear the same from any protester because they all sound like me and An American from what I gathered at the Tea Party. Maybe the Left is jealous they did not think of Tea Parties first? You have to be an average American who reads, knows history, and does not hate America, which disqualifies all Lefties.

If I missed any of your q's it is because I'm working on a Sunday. Obama is not going to pay my bills, but he does want me to pay other people's bills. ENOUGH!

Thank you for the opportunity to explain.

Michael B

Where I stand on the protests, in terms of the reporting, is to presume to suggest they be responsibly depicted, absent partisan and ideological sneers and presumption in general. If that's sufficient to suggest a bigoted quality to you in any sense whatsoever, then it would appear you are looking into a mirror, and projecting.

An American

Melanie's poster...

Could you please post my reply to Israel with my list of questions for him....where did it go? It's frustrating when a person spends all that time on a blog and it just disappears...everything I wrote was civil...what happened?

Thanks

israel

An American:

I too have had posts not published and l too get frustrated by it. Don't you find it amazing that on a blog of someone who always rails against those who deny free speech in a country that considers itself a democracy it is down to a SINGLE MODORATOR what gets published or not? You may rails against sites like Kos as much as you want but unlike red state or instapundit they do let people have their say. It's only if they go too far that the site monitor steps in to either delete or admonish.

Re the NBRA: I have heard of them, l just don't care. If they are anything like the black conservatives in the UK then they are as popular Bill O'Reilly at a Ludicris concert and have the power of a size D alkaline battery. I also find the irony of people who go on about bushhate (tm) but continually blame Clinton or Carter hilarious. As the late great Bill Hicks used to reply to people who would admonish him for talking about the Kennedy assassination "Well stop talking about Jesus to me!! If we are going to talk about shelf life here!!!"

I will go through you post later on today. I'm back to work unfortunatly and l have to get myself together to deal with all the insults about my team Man United losing which l will receive at work for the next 11 hours!!!

israel

Michael B:

"Where I stand on the protests, in terms of the reporting, is to presume to suggest they be responsibly depicted, absent partisan and ideological sneers and presumption in general."

Michael, did you know that in 10 days faux news did 107 adverts for last weeks astroturf events? 49 of them were 30 second spots between each shows, spots that would normally be sold for revenue which would bring in between 500 THOUSAND. They had 4 of their 5 evening hosts at events broadcasting live and every news broadcast beforehand mentioned it. When has ANY news company of repute ever done this for any type of protest? Neil cavotu tried to defend them by saying that faux had done the same with the "Million Man March", a protest that had happened almost A YEAR before they were on the air!! If you truly believe that what faux did was responsibly depicted and absent of any partisan viewpoint then there's nothing l can do to change your mind. The other networks saw what faux was doing and reported it. Just because a faux host chose a name that meant something else in the Urban Dictionary and others used it to ridicule them and faux for the astroturfing isn't their fault. Usually when faux, drudge, rush, malkin et al stir up a protest other networks and media jump on. This tea party protest just left them on the station platform.

beloved

MSM's Tea Party Cognitive Dissonance
By Kyle-Anne Shiver

In all my years of watching news coverage in America, I don't believe I have ever witnessed more condescending, amateurish, purely politicized reporting than what just transpired among the liberal MSM covering America's Tax Day Tea Parties. The Tea Parties represented a very significant news event.

[copy and paste the link to read the rest or scroll below the link address to read the snippet I'm commenting on.]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/04/msms_tea_party_cognitive_disso.html

Many posed the questions, during their Tea Party coverage, "Why all this anger now? Why are these people protesting now, when they weren't out in the streets during GW's eight years?"

Why indeed. The ordinary American -- normally quite-silent majority -- will take an awful lot of malfeasance and wasteful spending from our federal government. Most of the time, we are just too darned busy to protest anything. We are not getting paid to protest, unlike the anti-war and anti-poverty protesters our media covers in never-ending flurries of fury. We don't get federal tax dollars to protest, as does ACORN, and we have no sugar-daddy like Soros paying us stipends to lend a deceitful public-protest face to his personal views.

We're the productive class, the vast middle. We're busy living our own lives, busy building the businesses and earning our livings, busy raising our children and doing the host of volunteer services that infuse life into our Churches, Synagogues and civic organizations. We're the citizens doing the lion's share of those things which have made America the great and exceptional Nation she has been for the past 2-1/3 centuries.

Much of the anger now boiling over in protest has been building for the past 20 years, since the end of Ronald Reagan's presidential tenure. Much of it is aimed at Republicans, not just Democrats. And it goes to the heart of the size, scope and fundamental duties of the federal government as enumerated by our U.S. Constitution.

This mounting anger, aimed at the tyranny of a federal government -- completely off-the-rails of its Constitutionally-framed limited scope and power -- may be surfacing now due to a tipping in the fragile balance that was upheld during the G.W. Bush presidency. What was that fragile balance between our quietly continuing our personal business and our taking to the streets?

One thing and one thing only, in my opinion. As long as the federal government is doing the one job of protecting our national security and standing up for us in the face of the world's sleights, we will take a great deal of folderol from our elected officials. We will suffer the profligate spending and invasions on our personal freedoms when we - at the very least - believe our leaders are stridently bent on protecting our interests and our children from harm.

When a president cuts both those legs off at the knees, as President Obama has shamelessly done for 100 days, then frustration boils over into national protest.

end quote

Hey, Israel. This writer may be on to something if you compare her article to my comments. She mentions Ronald Reagan, and I saw some RR signs at the tea party: "What Would Reagan Do?". I also saw many references to Pelosi as "Queen Pelosi," a tyrant. She is the one who called our grassroots protest "astroturf," and also the one who last summer told working people to 'eat cake' when they could no longer afford fuel to get to work because she blocks drilling and nuclear energy. She is very unpopular with average Americans, so it is no surprise she would slander them, again. She comes from a wealthy district in California who enjoys imposing utopian and Draconian rules on people who can least afford it--You know, envirowhacko mandates with negative consequences for those at the bottom of the economy. It turns out she had invested heavily in T. Boone Pickens alternative energy company and wished to increase the earnings on her personal investment. Pickens is different from other alternative fuel companies. He was campaigning for federal monopoly rights on alternative energy. Together, Pelosi and Pickens managed to shut down small alternative energy businesses across America so that they could benefit financially, just with the threat of a monopoly. I know one group of alternative energy developers who had to close their business last year. Pelosi is evil.

beloved

Re the NBRA: I have heard of them, l just don't care. If they are anything like the black conservatives in the UK then they are as popular Bill O'Reilly at a Ludicris concert and have the power of a size D alkaline battery

beloved: If that is so it is because the Democrat Party has been successful. The Dem Party tries to buy African Americans with socialism so that they can control them as a voting block. The Dem Party has harmed Blacks from the beginning of our history. The Dem Party represented the slavers in Congress. Lincoln was a Republican. The Republican Party formed as an abolitionist movement to oppose the slavers. The Dems resistance in Congress to end slavery caused a Civil War. For twelve years after the Civil War, Democrats were banned from Congress because they attempted to pass federal Jim Crow laws. The Republicans, "the party of No," successfully blocked them.

Dems could pass those laws only in their individual states, and Republicans fought to pass federal civil rights bills in fierce opposition from the Dem party for one hundred years, until the 1964 Civil Rights Act finally put an end to state's Jim Crow laws.

Party platforms are available online. It is an eye-opener.

The South was Democrat before the Civil War until just recently with the influx of Northern immigration and Southern maturity. Now, the South leans heavily to Republicanism.

The Dem Party did the next best thing after the 1960s. They co-opted the Black vote through socialist programs. The Dems like the circumstance of having Blacks dependent upon them and under their control. They love this power so much they want ALL Americans under their power and control.

The National Black Republican Association founders came out of the Civil Rights movement. They resist Dem manipulation, cherish independence, and flourish in the Republican Party, despite that the Democrat Party maligns Blacks Republicans as "traitors." Blacks live with peer pressure to vote Democratic.

Meanwhile, the Dem Party has scrubbed their party history of all association with slavery and segregation. They even changed history textbooks. That's power! They won't own their past, and until they do, I will not give them a pass. They successfully have projected their own guilt on Republicans and anyone who opposes them, so that worldwide the Dem opposition, including the NBRA, are called "racists." In fact, Republicans are anti-socialist with the same fervor they are anti-slavery and anti-segregation. The common thread is freedom.

The more things "change," the more they stay the same.

An American

beloved,

Thank you for the well written history article on the Democratic party...I knew the big picture but not some of the particulars.

My grandson's teacher actually told her class that the Republican party caused slavery...this was when he was in the 8th grade. The lefties even rewrite our history.

It's a crime how the Democratic party has manipulatied minorities in this country. You would think that these minorities would wake up to it but they just keep voting for them.

Israel,

You haven't heard beloved or myself drag up Carter and Clinton...its time for Obama to stand on his own two feet and stop blaming Bush. He wanted this power, now he has it and he needs to own up to his decisions. He comes off utterly cowardly and petty. I call him 'girlie boy' because he's so childish, always blaming someone else...he puts all of his speechs in the context of himself instead of his country... I imagine his staff will not last long, since he will need lots of scapegoats. This guy is an extremely flawed character with a fragile ego. You may hate Bush, but he had some very honorable human traits. I didn't agree with some of the decisions he made, but I liked and respected him. And since you were the one who brought up Clinton and Carter...Clinton and Carter critized Bush all through his presidency. Something that all past Presidents never did out of respect for the office...Bush hasn't and won't because he's a gentleman and reveres the history of the presidency. Sometimes really decent people do finish last in this dog eat dog world.

I take it Man United is a soccor (football) team there in the UK? We're into sports too and have tickets to our Univ. basketball games and watch our favorite team football games in the fall.

israel

Beloved:

I do know quite a bit about the history of the Democratic Party and the Republicans. I would like to say that l got interested because it was part of a subject in school but that would be lying. I'm ashamed to say that got interested because of various 80's TV mini series!!

Your synopsis of what the Democratic party did and what it stood for up until the 1960's is correct, but then you skip a bit. You never mention WHY after all the good that the Republicans did for black people for over 100 years that they started to vote for the Democrats and why the South went Republican. When Lyndon Johnson signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act he made a very prophetic statement. He said "I have just lost the South for a generation." He was actually wrong about that because it seems that the Democrats may have lost the South forever!! You also failed to mention that all the supporters of the Jim Crow laws who wanted segregation to continue LEFT the Democratic party when Johnson signed that bill. What did they all do? THEY JOINED THE REPUBLICANS. It staggering that you would say that it's just "Northern intergration and Southern maturity", bypassing the fact that all the old racists felt that they were better served joining the party of Lincoln.

Thank you also for mentioning to all here what the Democrats did after the 1960's to get the black vote. I wonder if you could tell all here what Nixon's Southern Strategy was all about, or when Reagan was running in his first term what he meant when he said he was all for "States Rights"? You could also tell us all what the reason was for the "Willie Horton" ad and it's effects on the Dukakis campaign and why it is so remembered by African Americans. The Emacipation Proclamation and the Gettysburg Address were two absolutly brilliant things in the history of the US and Lincoln was America's greatest ever president. But that was then. US Senator Robert C Byrd of West Virginia is a senior Democrat and a former member of the KKK. But that was then. Things change. And while Republicans try to hang their hats on the good they did in the time of Lincoln, people react to the actions of the last 40 years. This election saw the Democrats pick up their largest vote from Latinos the largest group of non-white Republican voters. And why was that? Maybepeople where not prepared to vote for a party that wanted to throw members of their families out of the country. I've said it beforw andi'll say it again. More people are registering as Democrats than as Republicans, Iowa is more progressive than California and now very devout Catholic Hispanics are reacting with disgust and are shifting their votes away from the party of rush limbaugh and Sherriff Joe Apiro.

An American: Your grandson's teacher should have been at least censured for doing what she did, there can be no excuse for rewriting history. You or beloved may not have mentioned Clinton or Carter in these discussions but if you look back over the last 6 months since the election can you really say that you have NEVER mentioned Clinton or Carter? Exoecially when it comes to Obama's choices for his cabinet, like Rham Emmanuel and Napolitano? Your defence of Bush completely bypasses what karl rove, dick cheney and other members of his cabinet have been doing from almost day one. you are correct that good people finish last in this world, heck, Chris Tucker has a successful film career and beck has his own TV show. By the way what do you think of the comments of Michael Smerconish about what faux do when they want to book someone for their shows. It's very enlightening.

Manchester United are the New York Yankees in terms of our major sport. The only difference is that United win trophies regularly at the moment!!!

israel

I forgot to add, yeaterday was the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing. Anything to say about largest domestic terrorist atrocity perpertrated by a disgruntled rightwing extemist?

israel

Beloved: Forgot to add (distracted by the anti-United rantson my radio), thank you for mentioning the elitist "tyrant" "Queen" Pelosi. It's a pity that she is not as down to earth as those great average Americans you admire like Mitt Romney, John McCain and the grandson of Prescott Bush (why was the family bank taken away from them again in the 1940's? I forget).

beloved

Israel,

I may come back to your long post after this weekend when I can give it my full attention. I have not read it, yet. This post is in response to your last two posts.

Tyrant Pelosi is one of the top ten wealthiest among Congress members, and she weaseled her wealth working for the government. (Sorry for all the W's.) How does it happen? Government doesn't manufacture, distribute, or sell any products. They do not shoot baskets, play guitar, or even sing. Obama acquired his wealth the same way--working for the government. How do people become multi-billionaires working in government?

In contrast, Mitt Romney, John McCain, and the Bush family earned their wealth providing goods or services that people want in the private sector. Yes, I admire our classless merit system that rewards hard work, good service, and genius, as well as justly dishes out failure for poor service. I like free markets. However, you assume that I personally admire these three politicians for some unknown reason to me. All three are moderate Republicans. Some people would argue with me about Romney, but my suspicions about him stem from the fact that nobody becomes Governor in the Kennedy fiefdom (Massachusetts) without Kennedy approval. On the positive side, he is a successful business founder and a fiscal conservative.

Are you aware that compared to Obama, Bush lives in poverty. Obama's unearned wealth towers high above Bush's earned wealth. Also, take a look at charitable donations from these names you list and add Joe Biden, exVPres Cheney, and the average Joe Democrat and Susie Republican, if you dare. Here is a clue to what you would discover. Joe Biden donated around 600 dollars in 2007 to charities. Cheney donated seven million dollars. Progressive stinginess is disgusting, hypocritical, and historically consistent.

I do not think you are reading my posts, and I am tiring of your assumptions, bigotry, and slanders against ordinary Americans.

Also, you still have not provided me a list of all the genocidal dictators, presidential assassins, terrorists, etc, responsible for over a billion deaths in the 20th century (and still counting) who come from the right.

FYI, McVeigh was a white supremacist, and David Duke's white supremacists protested with the lefties against Bush and the Iraqi war. Guilt by association? It makes perfect sense to me. What does not make sense is that the far left terrorist, William Ayers, responsible for bombing the US Pentagon, was not put to death with McVeigh. Instead, Ayers was given a professorship and launched O's presidential bid from his living room.

beloved

Are you still around on this thread, Israel or An American?

I imagine Comrade An American is at a clandestine Tea Party, plotting to vote in the next election. We must stop these evil terrorists by voting back at them!