Short shrift for Israel's human rights in Londonistan

Corin

The good news is that Labour has openly turned against Israel. Labour is now under a Divine curse. Goodbye, Labour and Gordon Brown. The question is who will replace them? Will theyu be any different?

Chris Harrison

Mel, I understand that CST and the BoD are attending. This is surely proof, as if it were needed, that both organisations are deeply anti-semitic.

Winstone Smith

It seems to me that Britain is turning its back on Israel yet again. Worse still, Obama's administration is also drawing up plans to punish Israel if it attacks Iran's Nuclear weapon building facilities, even though it continually spoke of not wanting Iran to pursue them. They are now turning on Israel because they can't stop Iran.

It is clear to all that there is one country behind the Islamisation of the West and that is ironically the West's greatest ally in the Islamic world - Saudi Arabia.
With the billions of Sharia Finance in holding up the West's infrastructure, Saudi Arabia has every government in the palm of its hand.

What has Britain become? What has the West become? I really never thought that it would ever have a price tag, but it seems Saudi's found it.

Londonistan Melanie? Eurabia and Americarabia by the looks of it in years to come.

gary ashton

come on folks, what did you expect. we are entering the new dark age, i think the safest place to be ironically is israel. one of the few countries on the planet to actually embrace multi cultural, just ask any christian, jew, buddhist, hindu or enlightened muslim who lives there or ask any black, brown, yellow or white skinned person who lives there. yet it still has the strength to allow self criticism within its media's very robust society.

Adam B.

Brown and his clueless cronies are on the way out. Good riddance.

London Calling

The British Government is awfully schizophrenic at present, having to cope with more leaks than the titanic. Maybe they think they’re off to see the Movie Blockbuster Urban 2, paid by the taxpayer of course, someone had better tell them just in case.

The US backed out…. Do you blame them, they know better than to upset you Melanie:0

d1carter

I can't believe BO is not attending personally. He could have gotten another book?

Diana

Could someone please explain to me (from Australia) who CST and BoD in Chris Harrison's post are. I have come up with (after googling) Central Standard Time or Christian Schools Tasmania and BoD as a BBC children's television programme from the 1970s. It doesn't seem to me that any of these would be attending Durban II or would be antisemitic.

PS Australia has after much diterhing and after much lobbying by the Jewish community here (helped by a very pro Israel Labor MP) decided not to attend - however the report of this in the Sydney Morning Herald this morning obviously doesn't accept there was anything antisemitic in Durban I claiming that it (Durban I)had reaffirmed Israel's right to exist and referring to DI's "alleged antisemitism".

Most of the Jewish community here (Oz) remains pro Israel but what worries me is that Obama and his cheer squad throughout the western world will manage to split diaspora Jews off from Israel. There is just so much pressure on Jews if they do not want to be regarded as pariahs by their left wing intellectual mates in the universities, media etc, to blather on about home demolitions, Palestinian rights to self determination, Bibi's uncompromising extreme right wing policies etc.

Roger K

Britain shows her true colours siding with the racist thugs of the world for short term gain and appeasement. Here in New Zealand we finally got rid of the socialist harridan Clark at the end of last year. She bought herself a job at the United Nations and would have most assuredly attended Durban 2. However we have a new man John Key as prime minister leader of the National party and I am proud to say that the country I emigrated to nearly 30 years ago will not attend the conference. I fear greatly for my old country Britian and my relatives left there as she sinks into perfidy.

Jerry

Until Britain decides to support those ideas and nations who do not threaten it, rather than those who do, it will take the world along a course it has traveled many times in the past - the payment of tribute to overlords with the associated bowing and averted gazes. The trick of calling enemies friends works only so long. When finally, like the response to the imposition of an overstaying houseguest, Britain asserts itself, it will have to do so with a force that would have been completely unnecessary had moderate actions been taken earlier. It is all the fault of your spineless politicians. These "proper functionaries" will have to find a hero to do the dirty work they should have done themselves. Poor Britain!

Roy

Pleased to inform that foreign minister Murray McCully confirmed New Zealand will not take part in the conference. Having just waved off our recently dismissed Labour prime minister to a UN position, it will rankle in some quarters. Evidently the 2001 happening was nothing to be proud of.

Merlyn

We have reached the critical mass of Muslims here whereby our government/media is so intimidated it is now openly dhimmified.

EDDIE

I think that when the UK was given the mandate for Palestine after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, some idiot in the Foreign Office drew lines on the map of the Arabian Peninsular and deemed these areas to be “Countries’ He had no idea of tribal or religious considerations. The Foreign office then decided that the basis for all its policies would be 1. Support the oil states they had created 2. Suck up to America
.Nothing has changed except that they probably feel that if Israel was not there the Middle East Jewish problems would be solved entirely to their satisfaction

Miranda Rose Smith

Dear Ms. Phillips: Excellent, as usual. By the way, in your column "With Friends Like These," you say the Arab states are using the Palestinians as a Trojan horse to finish off Israel. No. The Arab states, the U.N., and the liberal leftists in the United States and Europe are using the Palestinians as CAT'S PAWS to finish off Israel for them.

Fabio P.Barbieri

Funny. All the people I do not like - Berlusconi, the (Nether)land of euthanasia, Canada the home of PC - have turned against this horror. Evidently it stinks so much that even they cannot bear its reek. But what happened to France (under a nominally Gaullist head of state) and Spain, as well as Britain? And what about the Vatican? The hold of the fantasy of the UN, of multilateralist hopes that never seem to be defeated by reason or experience, is still apparently unbreakable.

Shiva

Once upon a time there was a proud and mighty nation called Great Britain that ruled almost three quarters of the world and whose name brought genuine respect all over the world by the mere mention of its name and real fear in the heart of even the most callous and murderous of men like Hitler and Mussolini. Where is that GBR of yore gone??? Where is it??? I cannot see it here. The souls of those great Brits of old on whose shoulders this nation of Britain stands would be writhing in contempt and disgust at the abject display of cowardice and appeasement by its ruling elite today. How low the high and mighty have fallen from grace!!
How degrading of a once proud culture and race. The likes of Gordon Brown and Milliband are squarely responsible for this monstrosity.

elixelx

And the pro quo for the quid that Barry and Hillary asked for in order not to attend?

The next wheeze out of Washington will be to ask Israel to declare itself "A State for the Jewish People" and not "The Jewish State" since the first formulation envisages a secular, open democracy where everyone is welcome and there is no "Right of Return" for those who can prove the Jewish Maternal line, while the second bespeaks a Racist, Religious, Zionist, Genocidal State which will be a pariah in the polity of Nations.

Same State, mind you!Just take away "Aliyah" and you can be kosher again in the eyes of the world!

Same State indeed, except at the State Dept. of the US where words now matter more than human beings, friendship, alliances, family, religion,
G-d!

If the IsraeliJews WANTED a secular jewish-majority State they would all have moved to New York!

trumpeldor

belgistan and frankistan have decided to attend this carnaval
Europeans Jews will pack their luggage very soon

Philip Horowitz

CST is Community Security Trust, a private organisation which protects synagogues and other Jewish sites. One might ask why this is needed and why the Police cannot protect them! BoD is the Board of (Jewish) Deputies I guess. The writer who mentioned them is being ironic. If it is really true that they are attending, I hope they are well protected as they will need to be, judging by the last time round.

Miranda Rose Smith

Dear Eddie: I don't see Britain sucking up to America. If Israel were not there, G-d forbid, the Middle East Jewish problem would, indeed, be solved thoroughly to British satisfaction, BUT NOT THE"PALESTINIAN" REFUGEE PROBLEM. You can bet the rent money that there would be a horrendous war between Jordan and "Palestine," that thousands of Arabs, both Jordanian and "Palestinian," would be fleeing the region, headed for Spain, Southern France, and England.

Miranda Rose Smith

Dear Mr. Barbieri: Good point about the Vatican. Are they participating in the conference? WHEN will some New York City Mayor come along with the guts to evoke Kelo vs. New London to get the U.N. off those 18 acres of centrally located, riverview Manhattan real estate?

cuffleyburgers

Shame and embarassment

Esther

Melanie - I assume that this time you'll give credit where credit is due, and praise Obama for his decision not to participate in this conference?

Miranda Rose Smith

Dear elixelx: You may, G-d forbid, be right. Dear Esther: You are right. Better late than never.

stanley Jerusalem

Esther
April 20th, 2009 11:06am

"Melanie - I assume that this time you'll give credit where credit is due, and praise Obama for his decision not to participate in this conference?"

What? After saying he would, well knowing what was involved? All he deserves is to have the hole in his pants darned from sitting on the fence. A fence he should never have chosen to sit on in the first place. He is meant to be the leader of the free world and as such knows
ab initio the composition and agenda of this loathsome collection of misanthropes.
He should have stood up and said 'We will have nowt to do with this collection of creeps' but he is so hell-bent on being all things to all men that he couldn't resist including the USA before it became clear, even to him, that he and the USA were on a hiding to nothing. Too late, my friend. Much too late.
In mediaeval times, a noted Rabbi replied to a local bishop anxious to convert him, that he should wait three days for his answer, instead of refusing immediately. After three days and a period of torture, employed in those times to 'convince' the unbelievers', he was brought dying into Synagogue on Yom Kippur, his arms and legs having been torn off. As he lay there, he prayed for forgiveness for the Jewish People and for himself, for his foolishness. You need to stand up to hateful bullies, not pander to them.

Miranda Rose Smith

Dear trumpeldor: If elixelx is right, G-d forbid, where will they go? You would think any French or British Jew with horse sense would have headed for Israel long ago.

Miranda Rose Smith

Dear Mr. Harrilson: What are the CST and the Bod?

Derek BLADES

As a former United Nations staff member, I must protest at the outlandish attacks on Durban II by Ms Phillips. The conference is about dealing with racism wherever it occurs. That is a noble objective and as Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has observed, staying away does nothing to further that objective. It just makes the stay-aways look childish. What this whole sorry business shows is the power without responsibility of the Israeli lobbies in North America and Western Europe. Hats off to Gordon Brown and David Miliband for their courage in defying these pernicious pressure groups and making sure that Britain is properly represented at the Conference!

ISAAC

We should not care about such people. Let us kill the Palestinians who do so much to make our lives poorer and who cares what such people think. We make our own future and we take from those who try to stop us. Enough with the enemies of our way of life.

Bruce Jackson

... as usual Melanie conveniently ignores the facts that demonstrate that Arab Israelis are absolutely discriminated against on the grounds of race. When will the majority of posters to this blog recognize that having been racially abused in the past as a people and nation, does not give that nation a right to do the same to others.

Mike of Aus

Good commentary, there are still some in Britain yet who are courageous and objective enough to speak out against mass discrimination and intolerance. At least the important countries like Germany, Netherlands, and the US are not attending. I was living in your country 2 years ago, it's lost relevance. It really is rotting to hell, there's a reason why Britain's now laughed at around the world. Keep up the fight, it's your country though, never will be mine.

ISAAC

This is the only column where the right thinking Israelis and other Jews can discuss openly challenges that face us like Obama (a terrorist) and other politicians who dare to quesion our regional supremacy. Mrs Phillips must no only inform but also guide us.

ben

ISAAC, I'd like you to consider the following words.

"We should not care about such people. Let us kill the Jews who do so much to make our lives poorer and who cares what such people think. We make our own future and we take from those who try to stop us. Enough with the enemies of our way of life."

Sounds like they could easily have spewed from the mouth of Khaled Mashal. Or, y'know, Hitler. Funny that.

stanley Jerusalem

Derek BLADES
April 20th, 2009 1:32pm

"As a former United Nations staff member, I must protest"

Oh no, it's "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" again along no doubt with those pillars of probity the Chairman of the conference and not forgetting the UN themselves, saviours of the Bosnians and Hercegovians.
One wonders whether the treatment of Christians in Muslim countries will merit a mention - nah, silly to suggest it. There's no Jews to blame. What a two-faced cringing load of hypocrites. Go back to China Mr Blades. Your sponsors miss you!

Gav T

Bruce Jackson: Melanie doesn't ignore that at all, because it's categorically not true. The difference is religion, not race. Jews of Arab descent are treated exactly the same as Jews from other ethic backgrounds. Israel is, in fact, one of the most racially diverse countries on the planet. Israel is also a Jewish state, you conveniently ignore the fact that Iran is an Islamic state and Durban isn't going to be complaining about that bit of 'racism' are they. So tell us, what's the difference between a Jewish state and a Muslim state? Why is a Jewish state racist and a Muslim state not?

George Laird

Dear Ms. Phillips

Your title;

"Short shrift for Israel's human rights in Londonistan".

I would like to direct your attention to this site;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights

If you take the time to read through, you will see that your title is nonsense.

People have human rights not countries. Countries enact human rights for its citizens.

Is Israel a human being?

It is no wonder that human rights are so misunderstood when people like you haven't a clue what you are babbling on about.

Finally, if someone brought a brick made in Israel into Britain, could the brick claim asylum?

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

George

Mr. Blades,

Maybe as a former United Nations staff member you could explain to us all why the ONLY state singled out for specific mention in the final declaration of the first Durban conference was Israel. The conference was intended to discuss "Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and
Related Intolerance". Maybe as a statistician you could explain to us the possibility of all the member nations of the United Nations only being able to remember the state of Israel in this specific context.

Alex Bensky

Bruce Jackson joins those people who have managed to drain the word "racism" of any actual meaning except to signify that the speaker doesn't like something.

About half the Israeli population traces its ancestry to Middle Eastern countries--the number of Jews who were forced out of Arab lands is, coincidentally, about the number of Arabs who for whatever reason left Israel in 1948; mentioning that is usually considered "divisive." These Sephardic Jews are physically pretty much indistinguishable from Arabs and so whatever the situation with Israel's Arab population, "racism" has no real meaning.

Mr. Blades's objection would have some validity if the Durban conferences dealt with much of anything except Israel's sin, real and fanciful. For example, if the conference were likely even to whisper something about the torrent of anti-Semitism that gushes forth from virtually every Arab media, government, and mosque...not a full-scale resolution, just an aside...he might have a valid point.

Alain Shriber

Bruce Jackson, Arabs in Isrel have more rights than Jews do in any Arab country.

The tone and style of your comment, moreover, employes the usual antisemitic canard: that "Jews expolit their suffering in order to hurt non Jews."

This is the "Shylock formulation."

In Israel Arabs are members of Parliament, they are in the Supreme court and in all levels of government.

Hence your comment is factually wrong as well as bigoted.

Raymond in DC

Esther, you would "praise Obama for his decision not to participate in this conference". I, on the other hand, ask "What took him so long?" It's been clear for months, since before his inauguration, what this conference was all about and what a travesty it would be. Yet his policies of "outreach" and "engagement" allow him to sup even with the devil, even absent the long spoon.

Had O had the courage to face the reality head on, there would have been more time to mount a diplomatic offensive against the conference. Too little, too late.

G Miller

You are very lucky to be able to defend the rights of the Jewish people and I congratulate you for it.

Unfortunately anyone who mounted such a staunch defence of the indiginous British people would be branded a knuckle dragging Fascist.

Funny old world.

Michael Booth

Well, it seems the UK envoy (along with others) walked out when Mr Dinnerjacket spoke his usual anti-Israili stuff... quite right too.

stanley Jerusalem

"Finally, if someone brought a brick made in Israel into Britain, could the brick claim asylum?

Yours sincerely

George Laird"

Says it all, doesn't it?
'Play the music, open the cage!'

gary

Dear George de Glasgoner

"Finally, if someone brought a brick made in Israel into Britain, could the brick claim asylum?"

If the brick wore a kaffiya it could claim anything it wanted and you'd probably believe it.

Yours sincerely
gary
The Campaign for Brick Rights at Glasgow Naivity

David Lindsay

"Britain is now at war with Germany. Consequently, so is Australia."

So declared the Australian Prime Minister in 1939. How could he not have done?

By contrast, there is no excuse whatever for "Israel is not attending some conference at which there might be the slightest criticism of Israel, consequently neither is the United States, neither is Australia (among others), and neither should Britain".

Iran is so anti-Semitic (Persians are not Semites, by the way) that she has a reserved parliamentary seat for a Jew. If ambassadors are to be recalled from places having the slightest contact with anywhere, then they ought to be recalled from places having the slightest contact with the state that has Avigdor Lieberman in government.

Lebanon's European official language, and requirement that the President be a Christian, make Lebanon a more Western country than Israel. Syria's Christian-majority provinces, and Christian festivals as public holidays, make Syria a more Western country than Israel. Iran's three reserved parliamentary seats for Christians (and one for a Jew) make Iran a more Western country than Israel.

While Israel has a right of self-defence, that is not in principle any of our concern, and it is by no means impossible that our interest may be on the other side, where it would have to be pursued accordingly.

Yet, despite the promise that there would be a Commons vote on any future war, we are not only arming Israel, but sending our sailors and marines to fight, not against the pirates menacing our shipping, but for this entirely foreign, permanently ungrateful, and at root very hostile country.

For a sort of default Arabism - which accepts the fact that the ultimate globalist institution forced us to surrender to exceptionally vicious Marxist terrorism, but which nevertheless refuses to like that fact - is integral to this country's character, as Tony Blair might have understood if he had ever spent any time here. As surely as people who want Sharia law, people who do not like this are free to leave.

Steve bronfman

thankyou dereck blades for affirming mel's point that position the un is anti Israel.

Your point seems to be 'the in is not anti Israel but as a former un employee you wish it was'

Countries have boycotted not because of Jewish lobbying but because a conference on racism is being led by a holocaust denier, a racist (read about treatment of bahais in Iran), a bigot and homophobe. There are 30 other conflicts in the world ( mostly caused by Muslims) being ignored due to Muslim lobbying and the pc left.

Why did you leave the un? With an attitude like that you'd be secretary general one day!

An American

Face it...the Labour Party cares more about the UK's Islamic immigrants and agitators than its silent British majority.

You need to take this on with protests like our recent American Tea Partys and throw the bums out of office...

As you sit quietly by, you are slowly losing your country.

An American

ISSAC

You have Obama's number. He is ideologically, a Fascist and a Muslim who will ultimately abandon Israel.

His main concern is to socialize America. I don't know if he is conspiring with our enemies...it sure looks like it when he bows to a Saudi King and embraces Hugo Chavez, Noriega and any other two bit dictator that hates America.

It worries me when I hear the leaders of Israel say they can't attack Iran without the support of the US...because with Obama, they won't get it. They must attack Iran's nuclear facilities soon if they are to survive in the future. Israel is not the only country that will face annihilation if Iran get their bombs. The US will have to worry of about it too, but I believe Obama will put his Socialist-Muslim agenda before Israeli and American safety...God, help us.

What's wrong with liberal Jews that they cannot see this?

David Lindsay

An American, the normal British attitide to Israel (departed from by Blair because he is historically illiterate and by Brown because he seems to have been influenced by theological opinions aberrant within Calvinism) is inevitably and rightly coloured by that state’s creation, within living memory but decades before immigration to Britain from the Islamic world, in UN-enforced capitulation to anti-British Marxist terrorists of exceptional cruelty.

To readers over here, I say again that, if you don’t like this attitude, then, like the Sharia lot, you are free to leave the United Kingdom. Like them, it is not as if you have nowhere else to go.

Meanwhile, when are the Americans going to ask what the Israelis have ever done for them? Number of Israeli troops in Korea? None. Number of Israeli troops in Vietnam? None. Number of Israeli troops in the Gulf? None. Number of Israeli troops in Afghanistan? None. Number of Israeli troops in Iraq? None.

I strongly suspect that easily the largest silent majority is in America.

George Laird

Dear Stanley Jerusalem

The catchphrase you used was from Arthur English a former comic and actor.

He played the part of the porter in 'Are you being served', a comedy show on the BBC.

His catchphrase was made up nonsense which probably explains why it resonates with you.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

phil

Derek BLADES it looks like Gordon Brown has shown you up for the nasty piece of work that you are -your usual diatribe of hatred has been overtaken by the conference which showed what it thought of the dinnerjacket -I thought you would have crawled off into the shadows after your disgusting intervention on the intermission thread ,but shame is not a thing you have is it ?Your future derek is in the past and the past reveals exactly what you are -beyond redemption .!

Ros

David Lindsay: What on earth is your point?

Vision Aforethought

@David Lindsay: You are a hoot! Israel is not a colonial 'power'. It is in fact one of the fairest and democratic nations on Earth - yes, really. Perhaps more so than the US and UK. Why are you condemning Israel for not distributing its limited military around the world when a) The country is tiny b) Israel is trying to defend itself with what it has c) Most on the left oppose such overseas troop placements anyway.

I hope you visit Israel one day, because as often happens (including to the English football team), people return with a somewhat different viewpoint to that held in advance.

Either way, make your mind up.

YA

"ISAAC" it is quite clear why and what you are posting. On the subject - the idea itself of "fighting racism", is preposterus. It is like "fighting poverty", meaningless. Racism is unpleasant but many things are unpleasant. Defecation is unpleasant. So let us fight? - chances of winning are much better than against racism.

Fabio P.Barbieri

Ros: David Lindsay is not only a Jew-basher, but an enemy of democracy. He does not believe that democracy and the rule of law are in any way especially valuable, or that democracies have more in common with each other than with any tyranny, or that there is any special need to protect, extend and defend democracy. All that matters to him is blind national selfishness. He is a throwback to Bismarckism and a truly dangerous mind.

Mind you, Stanley Jerusalem seems to have been designed by the Almighty to prove to the universe at large that it is possible to be a Jew and be stupid, selfish, prejudiced, ignorant and small-minded. However, the existence of one caricaturally absurd Jew does not prevent those of us who believe in democracy and the rule of law from feeling that Israel is the front line of all that we stand for. Even the right for idiots to be freely idiotic.

Miranda Rose Smith: the Vatican, alas, has long ago made a commitment to the UN ideal of multilateralism and pacifism. Note how every piece of political predication that issues from the Holy See is programmatically and often blindly pacifist. That the UN regularly trashes everything the Vatican stands for does not seem to have yet reached the consciousness of the Church's leadership. And, mind you, I am an admirer of Pope Benedict; but his insistence on pacifism and multilateralism at all costs is pointless and damaging. The Vatican has steered the same pro-UN course for many decades and under four or five Popes, without ever showing any doubts; one wonders whether the ugly comedy of Ahmedinajad yattering away will do anything to wake them up.

kate b

These MPs and this governmnet do not serve us - our persistent complaining and urging them to boycott this racist conference has fallen on deaf ears. I am ashamed, this reflects upon us, the people.

The U.N is not fit for purpose and should be disbanded.

Robert U.S.

I have never entered an opinion in this forum as many are more articulate than I, but i would wish strongly Isaac is spoken to sharply,by someone that has power and legitimacy over these things. his words are beyond the pale, and hurt this forum!

Mr R

Please, people, "ISAAC" is clearly the non de plume of someone who wants to whip up hatred against Jews by pretending, grotesquely, to be one. An old trick.

An American

David Lindsay,

Like Ros, I didn't understand most of your comments either.

Everyone knows that Israel is a small country with a limited number of soldiers...and they need those soldiers to protect their homeland which has been under attack from the inception of their country.

Britain has made a gigantic mess of it, in its nation building around the world...very little of what they created has turned out to work. All the more reason for all nations, including the US, to stop playing God with other lands.

Jenny

On the subject of Durban II, Rosemary Righter shows there has been a small outbreak of sanity at The Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/rosemary_righter/article6128315.ece

Perhaps now Jeremy Bowen has been exposed, Fleet Street may begin to end its cowardice on this subject.

An American

What would all of you do without Derek Blades?

Is this Israeli hater for real or is this his way of entertaining himself instead of pulling wings off of butterflies?

As for good old Derek working at the UN...come on...no one is that gullible, but you certainly would have fit in well there... Thanks for the laugh Derek.

hadrian

As there are numerous specifically 'moslem' states in the world where conversion to another religion ( so called apostacy) attracts the death penalty I fail to see the moral authority behind those in the UN joining in calling Israel a 'racist state' yet no a tweet out of them on the fate of those with the unhappy lot of being raised as moslem but who subsequently want to move away from it. That fate is more often than not ostracism, imprisonmemt, persecution, torture and execution.
Now in 'racist Israel' it is true there are isolated periodic attacks on Christian Jews but on the whole the country is wonderfully diverse and as tolerant as one could expect in such a tense climate.
The UN in encouraging this rank prejudice merely exposes its own threadbare ideas. Shame on it.

stanley Jerusalem

George Laird
April 20th, 2009 6:26pm
Sorry sunshine; as usual a little learning is a dangerous thing. Arthur English it was, but not fom his more recent renaissance but from his original music hall act 30 years previously which he always concluding with a gush of meaningless gobbledegook and ending in 'Play the music! Open the cage!' signifying his departure from reality and sanity and his entry into the loony bin. That you failed to appreciate the nicety of his cry, indicates your equal lack of appreciation of the surreal nonsense you constantly serve up and with which we have become familiar on this site.
David Lindsay - Don't you know Israel was specifically requested not to 'interfere' in the USA's Middle Eastern ventures for fear of alienating the other Coalition allies? As far as Korea and Vietnam are concerned, are you having a joke because it is impossible to understand your point otherwise. Also it isn't funny. However the intelligence provided by Israel has been invaluable to the US unlike that of our European and Russian friends. Actually,now I come to think about it, Ros put it more succinctly.
phil - Blades does have some value. He's like a lighthouse that guides us away from the rocks. He shows us all clearly what we shouldn't be thinking or saying.

An American

Why would this UN sponsored anti-racist conference open with a speech from one of the world's greatest spewers of racial hatred, Iran's Ahmadinejad?

Did UN Chief Bam do this on purpose of draw straws for speaker times. Ban said he was very sorry that the US and other countries refused to attend his circus...I mean Durban II.

Is it just me or is the United Nations viewed as nothing but a colossal joke on mankind.

I noticed that many countries during the Iranian's speech left in protest but the UK said they would be back. Some people...nations never learn.

J. Isaacs

The BBC's Bowen is at it again. "Many people believe Israel's treatment of the Palestinians IS racist," he says on BBC ten o'clock news tonight, after reporting the Durban 2 walk-outs. No mention of Dinnerjacket's human rights record. As usual, one has to be quick on the remote control channel switch to avoid biased reporting. Clearly no chance that Bowen's recent wrist-slap at the BBC has had or will have any effect whatsoever.

Dixon

I just saw Paxo questioning the Brit delegate after the walk-out. His bizarre train of questioning started with "wasnt this just a pre-planned political stunt" and ended with "Ahmadinnajad was smiling because you left on impulse as a result of his winding you up " ( an opposed and incompatible position to the opening one ). In between he managed to ask "Whats the difference between Zionism and racism?" and to charge the walk out as an attack on "free speech".

a truly bizarre interview. Judging by Paxos languid mien, it seems less that he was setting out to defend the call to annhilate Israel than that he is just a whacked out old git who will if necessary say anything however outrageous or unrelated to the truth of a story simply in order to fill up the air-time and earn his no doubt gigantic salary.

Which is worse?

merlyn

Bruce jackson, I recently heard of a poll that gave two thirds of Israelis actively engaged in human rights.

An American

ISSAC,

I answered your one comment on Obama before reading your earlier 1:33 comments. Do you think that others here will support you with these kind of remarks?

Most of us here understand your anger and agree that Israel and Israeli have a right to live in peace. But, many of your comments hurt your cause.

By changing just one word...Ben made his point.

Jerry

Re Miranda Rose Smith and her comment above - "The Arab states, the U.N., and the liberal leftists in the United States and Europe are using the Palestinians as CAT'S PAWS to finish off Israel for them."

So perfectly true and coincident with the facts of the matter. Why is it that the United States, the EU, the UN and various individual countries and individuals support the Palestinians with seemingly unlimited financial resources? Some conjectures fit the facts better than others. Here is mine.

Surveys of the Palestinians indicate that many would like to immigrate - 32% in a recent survey. Should this come about, there would be no choice for those leaving but to sell their land to those who are staying - the Jews. This, of course, is most true in Judea and Samaria where Jews and Arabs inhabit the same territory.

Where the Jews have left - Gaza - Hamas' opposition to Israel is fully supported by the infusions of cash, since the welfare state that eternal "refugee status" has created leads to high birthrates and thus available cannon fodder.

If someone has a better explanation of why no one cares how the injected funds are used - graft, population of 50%+ civil servant class, arms, bribery, positive social projects, waste - please post for all to read.

zkharya

apparently jeremy paxman asked "what exactly is the difference between zionism and racism?" tonight. do you know if this is true?

Augustus

On Hitler's birth date, the similarly dangerous and repressive rogue leader of Iran, who hijacked what was supposed to have been an anti-racism forum at the UN conference in Geneva with his Fascist anti-Semitic remarks against Israel, deliberately overstepped all the bounds of diplomatic decency, so that any nation with any iota of self-respect walked out in disgust. And the countries who decided to stay and listen to his rantings are the very ones with a long way to go themselves when it comes to human rights; who themselves choose religion over democracy, who openly limit freedom of speech, who ignore women's rights, and implicitly single out Israel as the sole defendant of evil. Like Hitler, Ahmadinejad is the personification of fanatical
leadership, and the US President, or anyone else, should not trust this little man any further than he can throw him. Negotiating a peace settlement between Jews and Palestinians may well be fraught with problems, but at the end of the day all Israelis want is a country with a proper Jewish identity that will be safe for Jews to live in. Nothing more and nothing less, and there's nothing wrong or repressive about that.

Maximilian

Israeli demographic expert Yakov Faitelson, writing in the current issue of the Middle East Quarterly, notes the very large numbers of Palestinians who tell pollsters that they would emigrate if they could. “According to the survey conducted by Bir-Zeit University, 32 percent of all Palestinians and 44 percent of Palestinian youth would emigrate if they could.[48] The official Palestinian newspaper Al-Hayat al-Jadida has reported similar numbers.[49] A public opinion poll conducted by the Near East Consulting Corporation in the Gaza Strip reveals an even higher rate—47 percent of all Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. [50] Translated into numbers of people, as of 2006, more than a million Arabs in the Palestinian territories wish to emigrate.”

Here, it seems, is a magnificent opportunity for all countries wishing to work for peace, particularly those countries that channel large amounts of aid into the Palestinian territories and the wider Mideast region. Draw up a program under which Egypt, Jordan and other aid-receiving countries in the region – and in other parts of the world as well – would be invited to set themselves targets for absorbing a certain number of Palestinian immigrants every year. Aid will then be disbursed in proportion to their fulfillment of those targets. It should be possible, in this way, in a very few years, to reach a point where, say, at least one-half of the 1 million Palestinians wishing to emigrate have actually achieved that ambition

http://www.meforum.org/2124/the-politics-of-palestinian-demography

Nick

An American - I agree with you on one point. The British created the American nation, and look what a mess that turned out to be. Australia and India aren't doing so badly though.

London Calling

My moneys on the man with the multi coloured afro wig, who was dragged out of the Urban 2 opening session screaming racist.

Ahmadinejad giggled like a girl, the Uk and French walked out in protest like a file of penguins, who should have gone fishing instead.

Zero tolerance to Racism does not mean you can eradicate it,
but you don’t expect a leader to
promote it, Ahmadinejad has brought shame on his people, but most of all he has revealed himself as immature and very dangerous in power ...all eyes on him.

Jerry

Re G. Miller "Unfortunately anyone who mounted such a staunch defence of the indiginous British people would be branded a knuckle dragging Fascist.

Funny old world."

Mr. Miller, you may indeed defend the British people and culture, and you require no one's permission to do so. I urge you to please do so before there is nothing of distinction left to recognize. Do not wait until, like the Israeli Jews, you must defend your culture with the lives of your youth.

Most important to me though, do not feel compelled to defend your government along with your culture. Government decision making is influenced by cultural qualities, but can never be as "right" as the culture that elicited individual policies. I presume here that in 1948, as today, much of the British people would have supported a homeland for the Jews, even while the British government bent heaven and hell to prevent Israel's establishment.

Adam B.

George "I'm not interested in human rights unless I can attack the Jewish State - friend of Ahmadinejad" Laird is back.

The man has no shame. Tell me George, did you think Ahmadinejad's speech was great?

Adam B.

Derek Blades not only worked for the Communist Chinese murderers of Tianenmen square, he worked for the corrupt, hypocritical and Israel bashing obsessed UN.

Tells you all you need to know about both the UN and Blades.

Fabio P.Barbieri

BBC main news program, April 20, 2009, hours 22.00. Opens with a report of Ahmedinajad's speech and the walkout of a number of European delegates.

And who does the presenter call upon to comment?

Jeremy Bowen.

Needless to say, I switched the TV off. This is the Creeperation closing ranks with a convicted offender against journalistic standards and holding out a colossal middle finger to the public and to any standards of decency. That sorry display alone ought to have been enough, in a country with an uncorrupted public opinion and a sane parliament, to start a movement for the repeal of the canon.

Barbara

The person posting as "ISAAC" is an agent provocateur, not a Jew. Don't fall into his ugly trap.

Archie

Well, exactly so, Miss Phillips! Just finished reading "Troublesome Young Men" about Churchill, Boothby and others trying to oppose the ghastly Chamberlain's Axis appeasement policies. The parallels with today's Islamic threat are truly staggering!

Archie

Derek Blades: you should get rid of those blinkers which are evidently affecting your eyesight AND your brain! Durban 1 was nothing more nor less than an anti-Israel bashfest, and any government that thought that the latest fiasco would be any different does not deserve to represent its people. As for Ban Ki-moon, he is merely the latest in a long parade of spineless nonentiies to occupy that ludicrous post!

stanley Jerusalem

Fabio P.Barbieri
April 20th, 2009 8:25pm

To be insulted is invariably uncomfortable but to be insulted by Fabio P.Barbieri is a privilege.

Carl

More posturing. Israel does actively practice discrimination against people on racial grounds.

trumpeldor

For Miranda,

I am just back from my beloved Jewish micro state
You should see how alive she is
Alive with people,especially many Jewish babies and cribs
Listen up ,Miranda,Jewish people is minute but very diverse with secular,religious and ...go between
suffice to compare Tel Aviv and Jerusalem ..
Things will worsen in Europe and Israel will be the beacon for ALL components of Jewish people
PS to me,being Jew means feeling it in your heart and soul
It does not mean being religious but it helps...

Shavua tov to you and all readers

Polly Gamma

DEREK BLADES @ 1.32 20/4

Boy oh boy - I've never seen a better example (and I've seen a few in my time) of someone much too far up into this sh*t.

Come down wipe it away and start sniffing truth in the fresh air. You know it's good for you!

Polly Gamma

FABIO 20/4 @8.25am

Dear me! Re stanley - er yeah right okay. You sooo doth protest too much. Don't be such a twerp.

peter

Hang on - how come it was right for those diplomats to walk out of Dinner Jacket's speech?

1) everyone else clapped
2) it was a debate, those diplomats should have stayed and argued their points
3) there are real concerns about Israeli, or at least Zionist, policies, from all sides, friends and foes of Israel alike, which need to be discussed.

Fabio P.Barbieri

Stanley Jerusalem: always glad to oblige. But really, no need to thank me. I only told the truth.

Steve Fryup

For a truly disturbing response to this from Joe Public read the comments at The Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6136165.ece

I shudder to think what Guardian readers are making of this...

stanley Jerusalem

Fabio P.Barbieri
April 20th, 2009 8:25pm
"However, the existence of one caricaturally absurd Jew does not prevent those of us who believe in democracy and the rule of law from feeling that Israel is the front line of all that we stand for. Even the right for idiots to be freely idiotic."
I entirely support such a sentiment, Jew or not.

Jerry

Re Carl "More posturing. Israel does actively practice discrimination against people on racial grounds."
/
By your writing forms I will presume that you are probably British. How are British Jews feeling about Britain lately? Look to home before you accuse others of discrimination. It is people like you who cause emigration to Israel.
/
Truthfully, I foresee a time in the not-too-distant future when Brits of Gentile origin will feel more at home in Israel than in Britain.

Fred

The very title of Mel`s article "londonistan" is deeply racist and offensive. Imagine somebody wrote a book called Hymietown which was about supposed jewish influence and power.

An American

Maximillian,

Your comments are heartfelt but not workable.

Palestinians from birth are taught to hate, most lack higher education or working skills and have a 'dole' mentality.

Look at the problems that these immigrants have created in the UK and Europe. They have become an enormous burden to these societies.

Obama has extended an invitation to several hundred thousand Palestinians to immigrate to the US. We don't want them and for good cause.

The only solution is for Palestinian leadership to change and there be a declared peace with Israel. Right now, Palestine is a Thugdom demanding worldwide blackmail money to behave itself... and until that changes, there will be no future for Palestinians.

George Laird

Dear stanley Jerusalem

“Sorry sunshine; as usual a little learning is a dangerous thing”.

No need to worry in your case, you ability to learn is limited.

“Arthur English it was, but not fom his more recent renaissance but from his original music hall act 30 years previously which he always concluding with a gush of meaningless gobbledegook and ending in 'Play the music! Open the cage!' signifying his departure from reality and sanity and his entry into the loony bin”.

I mentioned his part in ‘Are you being served’ as a reference to those not familiar with his work.

“That you failed to appreciate the nicety of his cry, indicates your equal lack of appreciation of the surreal nonsense you constantly serve up and with which we have become familiar on this site.

I read your dross and that of some of the others here and it is banal, lacking in wit and imagination.

Here is what Fabio states about you at 8.25 pm;

“Stanley Jerusalem seems to have been designed by the Almighty to prove to the universe at large that it is possible to be a Jew and be stupid, selfish, prejudiced, ignorant and small-minded”.

Finally, although I agree 100% with what Fabio has written; he has missed out the fact that you are also unfunny.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

John Simpson

Now that the leader of Iran has made his speech in Geneva, I have to say that I agree with many of his points, notwithstanding his own twisted and hate-filled policies. Israel is a racist nation by definition, if we define Jews as a race as well as religion. Either way there is blatent discrimination against non-jews both in Israel proper and the occupied lands, by taking land, water and destruction of other resources, such as olive groves, by force.
Just because its neighbours are dictatorial and even worse than Israel in many cases, this doesn't excuse colonisation of Palestine.
It's obvious that the Israelis have decided it's acceptable to take a number of deaths per year as the price for Palestinian land. Time, however, is running out. Disaster beckons in the long term, if they do not allow a VIABLE Palestine.

George Laird

Dear Adam B.

“George "I'm not interested in human rights unless I can attack the Jewish State - friend of Ahmadinejad" Laird is back”.

I never went away.

“The man has no shame”.

I would be delighted to confess to no shame if you would agree to confess to lack of breeding.

You should try and remove that big chip on your shoulder as little man syndrome is not healthy.

“Tell me George, did you think Ahmadinejad's speech was great?”

I never heard his speech; he is not someone I consider important enough to read in the mainstream media.

Finally, my name is George Laird and I hope that your limited intelligence and memory will remember that in future. In the event that you are so simple as not to understand then please disregard this section as it relates to breeding and manners.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

MS

"How are British Jews feeling about Britain lately?"

Sorry Jerry, but our state does not support discrimination against Jews. Israel does support discrimination against non-Jews (c.f. Lieberman as worst example).

Jews in our society are (in contrast to darker less enlightened times) equal citizens. We have many Jewish MPs, we have had Jewish Prime Ministers and Opposition leaders, and Jews are successful in all walks of life in this country without prejudice.

Their case is not helped by the demonisation of any Jew who speaks out against Israeli policies in the press as a "self-hating Jew".

This is odious as it equates criticising Israel with criticising the Jewish race or religion. This is not the case.

Polly Gamma

GEORGE LAIRD: @Far to often:
What are you on?!

FRED @1.20pm 20/4:
Doh – if you are capable of it I’d untangle your warped logic if I were you. Otherwise you are suggesting that calling Pakistan err Pakistan is ‘deeply racist and offensive’!

Ros

MS: 'This country without prejudice'? Where are you living? A bunker?

Adam B.

George "I can't be bothered to look at Ahmadinejad because it doesn't involve blaming Israel" Laird, perhaps you could descend from your ill deserved grand impression of yourself and look at Ahmadinejad's speech - it's called intellectual curiosity (something obviously dead to you even though you are supposed to be at university). then perhaps you could understand something called context (look it up) and the wider picture of the Middle east, rather than indulging in your wilfully blinkered hatefest.

Amazing you are meant to be running a human rights campaign, but are completely (and proudly) ignorant about Iran. What a joke!

Adam B.

Whereas Carl, minorities are treated with democratic and human rights, respect and tolerance throughout the Arab and Islamic world.

And they all lived happily ever after in the fairy land of Carl.

La Cumparsita

Can't even celebrate Israel's Independence Day in Central London now http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3704480,00.html

George Laird

Dear Adam B.

“George”.

It’s Mr. Laird to people like you.

"I can't be bothered to look at Ahmadinejad because it doesn't involve blaming Israel" Laird”.

My name is George Laird; I have repeatedly told you so, didn’t you do well at skool?

That was the big building with teachers in it.

“perhaps you could descend from your ill deserved grand impression of yourself and look at Ahmadinejad's speech - it's called intellectual curiosity”.

I made my position clear; the Iranian President isn’t someone I pay much attention to.

How many times do you need to be told something before it sinks in?

“(something obviously dead to you even though you are supposed to be at university). then perhaps you could understand something called context (look it up) and the wider picture of the Middle east, rather than indulging in your wilfully blinkered hatefest”.

I see that you have copied Ms. Phillips word “hatefest”; you must be so proud to copy her words.

“Amazing you are meant to be running a human rights campaign, but are completely (and proudly) ignorant about Iran”.

I never said I was ignorant about Iran that is subjective opinion on your part, subjective opinion is not evidence; your teachers probably taught you that while teaching you to sign your name for your giro.

“What a joke!”

You are not a blue sky thinker are you?

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

Augustus

The Islamic countries now form a large and potent block in the UN. Together with their friends in South America and Africa, they now form an unshakable group against Israel, as well as the strongest delegates against freedom. Under the guise of 'diversity' they now promote their Islamic rules and customs as justifiable human rights. Rules and customs which actually conflict with basic human rights. Under the guise of anti-racism and respect for religion these members try their utmost to curtail religious freedoms. Anything they dislike they label
Islamophobic. In their own countries freedom of expression is an unobtainable ideal, and one wonders how, in the 21st Century, these 'united nations' can really justify their own existence.

At the Durban 1 conference some years ago Israel was publicly condemned as a racist country. This time in Geneva the same attempt was made. Not only are they against the state of Israel, they also want to curtail freedom of expression in the West. The Islamic countries are in fact bent upon destroying the West's freedoms. Some countries have boycotted the conference, but the EU itself should have done so. And not only should we boycott all future such conferences, but we should withdraw all aid to such UN organizations whose sole purpose is to force anti-freedom ideologies upon us all.

Adam B.

MS, who has said criticising Israel's government is anti-semitic? Please tell me.

It is the repeated singling out of Israel, and attemps to vilify and delegitimize Israel altogether, which are anti-Semitic.

Furthermore, I hope you're not suggesting that a Jew can't be anti-Semitic.

Dave M

John Simpson:" Israel is a racist nation by definition, if we define Jews as a race as well as religion."
On what basis is a society racist? For example, were the ancient Greeks of Athens racists because they didn't grant citenship to outsiders, except in rare cases? Does the fact the Athenians were jealous of their culture and sought measures to protect that culture from dilution make the inventors of democracy bigots? Let's put it another way: How come it's deemed unreasonable for a tiny land like Israel to exist as a Jewish land in circumstances where muslims form a majority in the Middle East? Why aren't muslims content with Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Somalia and how come they feel this need to populate a tiny land like Israel? Isn't the real agenda here the desire to make Jerusalem Islamic by hook or by by crook, despite the fact Jerusalem has been Jewish since 1000 B.C. (centuries before Islam ever appeared). Netanyahu is basically quite correct when he hints Islamic extremists seek an open door into Israel via immigration so they can then impose their values. Exactly what they have done in Britain and many parts of Europe where we now see democracy and liberty surrender to the demands of thousands of new immigrants, in the name of so-called diversity.

fred

Polly Gamma
Pakistan is a country that exists. When Mel and her supporters use phrases like Londonistan or Britainistan, or eurabia what they mean is that britain or europe has been taken over by these alien invaders called muslims and that the british government is being conrolled by muslims or is under their nefarious malignant influence, I think that is revolting and racist. Hence my reference to hymietown. Imagine someone wrote a book called hymietown that showed how jews conrol the british government and how britain was slowly being taken over by the jews. I would find that offensive revolting. If you can`t see the obvious parallel polly then I have to ask you what are you smoking. Other writers that mel admires like bat yeor has written a disguting racist book called eurabia which can only be described as a modern day equivalent of the protocols of the elders of zion or shall we call it the protocols of the elders of Arabia. The really sad thing is that a jewish lady is author do people learn nothing from history.

RUTH

Hymietown / Londonistan - excellent point.

Look what happened to our very own Jessie when he dared called NYC Hymietown.

Guess your indigenous Muslim London lobby is not as well organised as it could be...

Irony is that Phillips attacks the very same societal tolerance that allows her to write her book in the first place

haha

RUTH

Regarding Durban - there s no smoke without fire.

Michael

Maybe they went because the cous cous and canapes are to die for.

Maybe.

David Lindsay

"Obama wants to turn America into a European-style social democracy", shrieked his enemies. So the American people voted for him. Now, where is the "European-style social democracy" for which they voted?

And "Obama won't hold to the Likud line", shrieked his enemies. So the American people voted for him. Now, where is the the non-holding to the Likud line for which they voted?

If he isn't delivering the latter, then what makes anyone think that he will deliver the former?

As for student union style preplanned walk-outs, grow up.

Polly Gamma

Fred

Ahem.. well so long as you know what you're talking about!....

An American

Nick, you whacko...

You blog that Britain created America...what kind of liberal history books have you been reading?

For your information, there was an American Revolution that defeated and threw the British out of North America, then our founding fathers created what is now America.

Don't worry... Obama and his Fascist cronies are doing a good job of destroying America without anyone's help.

My point was that most 'nation building' does not work...we had and still have a world of tribes and Empires like Britain went in and made boundaries...created countries...and many of those countries are still to this day, in turmoil.

Apparently you would choose living in India with its over-population, poverty, religious upheaval and continued state of war over Kashmir with Pakistan instead of living in the US.

Australia is going the way of the UK with its far-left socialist agenda...before long, it too will be in decline.

Frankly, with the socialist direction the world is going, I have little hope for any western country. I'm glad I lived in the best of times of my country and will not live to see it demise.

logdon

I also watched Paxman's display of provocative languidity. His moral equivalence on this issue contrasts amazingly with his childish attack dog repetetiveness when questioning Michael Howard. Obviously, for him, nailing a Tory has more significance than the real issues surrounding a would be genocidal Iran and it's mentalist spokesman.

Here's one to ponder, all those out there who will always condemn Israel with a glinty unforgiving gaze, yet eyes wide shut when muslims are the bang to rights perps.

Here's one for you from the Righter Times piece.

"The Islamic regime in Tehran has killed, imprisoned and killed thousands of IRANIANS. Many thousands of Iranians have left Iran to live in exile due to lack of basic human rights in their country. The regime does not tolerate the most any form of opposition from its own people. Yet, this despicable and cynical regime tries to exploit the just cause of the Palestinians for its own unholy agenda. Mr Ahmadinejad should free the political prisoners in his own country and allow free press and elections before appointing himself as the liberator of the Palestinians.

Abdullah Rahimi, London, UK"

An American

David Lindsey,

If everyone were like you, we would just wave our white flags, kneel down, give up and let the religious and political extremists take over...

Hell, let's just hand over our countries to our enemies on silver platters! I'm sure we would all be happy with the loss of our freedoms with worldwide tyranny in power.

With appeasers like you, we will be participating in WWIII in the near future.

phil

George Laird georgie boy have you now become the judge on who is funny? I wish we could take a vote on it ,Stanley would sink you to the bottom of the barrel and as for Adam , you should pay him for all the lessons he has given you .perhaps you will reflect that nobody ever agrees with anything you write apart from carl,and what can we say of him!!!!why not continue in your fake position and leave a little more space here for intelligent posters ,even those that disagree with the mainstream ,oh and btw .the term Mr is reserved for real men and is a term of respect ,so you will realise you do not qualify ,Adam was right yet again .phil the campaign for our human rights not to have to read your nonsense

David, Thailand

Bruce Jackson: You are right and Israel does discriminate against Israeli Arabs by not guaranteeing to them every right enjoyed by every non-Arab Israeli, which to some rabid lefties signals that the Zionists are less than perfect and therefore do not deserve to exist.

A few years ago I met a young, radically left-wing Jewish lawyer who had generously contributed several unpaid years in the West Bank campaigning for Palestinian rights. According to him all was going well, he was pandered to as can be expected and naturally it was a coup for the Palestinian leadership to have an enthusiastic if misguided (his words not mine) Jewish boy help them undermine the Jewish State.

I asked him what went wrong then, and why he was now in SEAsia instead of the West Bank.

It seems the wheel started to wobble soon after he voiced concern that the money and food which he knew with absolute certainty was pouring in not just from Western bleeding hearts but also Israel, was also as efficiently disappearing with little more than crumbs brushed into the dirt for its intended target, the Palestinian people. Within hours of first questioning the itinerary of the incoming food and money the atmosphere wherever he went and whoever he was with became frosty, and the next day he felt physically under threat as his "minders" advised him that he was no longer welcome in Palestine, gave him a couple of hours to pack and escorted him from the premises.

A bit disillusioned he was, but one thing he told me I shall never forget, and it is worth repeating it here since inbreds the world over, not just you, seem to take collective exception to any notion that the Jews may be real people rather than monkeys and pigs. He said, quote, "The Israelis treat the Palestinians like shit, but nobody and especially no Arab or Muslim person or group or country, treats the Palstinians anywhere as well as the Israelis do."

George Laird

Dear phil

“George Laird”.

Thank you for taking the time to get my name correct, some of your dribbling “friends” can’t seem to get it right.

“georgie boy have you now become the judge on who is funny?”

Is it my fault that I am multi talented?

As you are aware I am offering what is called a subjective opinion, a subjective opinion is one where the person or persons look at an event or events and come to a conclusion.

In this case “Stanley” fails to impress, old time music hall quotes from a person who was a bit player.

“I wish we could take a vote on it”.

A vote would be meaningless and probably rigged, you people aren’t very smart but hats off for being devious.

“Stanley would sink you to the bottom of the barrel”.

He has been doing such a sterling job that you have had to poke your nose and be his de facto man servant?

Is your intervention a rescue?

Do you feel this lame duck attempt is more than you just ‘rattling your gums’?

“and as for Adam, you should pay him for all the lessons he has given you”.

I am sorry but you seem quite dim; I haven’t solicited any “lessons” therefore no payment is required. You should take the time to read the work of Lord Denning on what is and is not a contract.

“perhaps you will reflect that nobody ever agrees with anything you write apart from carl,and what can we say of him!!!!”

Here we have a problem which I would like to offer a solution; I don’t care what you think or anyone else. If people agree with me then fine if they don’t then that is fine too.

Don’t like it, don’t read it!

“why not continue in your fake position and leave a little more space here for intelligent posters”.

Here is an example why you are not intelligent; there is no shortage of space so you premise is nonsense.

“even those that disagree with the mainstream ,oh and btw .the term Mr is reserved for real men and is a term of respect”.
I have no respect for people like you, Stanley and the rest of Melanie’s rent a mob so yet again you assume your opinion matters to me. It doesn’t, your witterings are nothing more to me than electric wallpaper; it is something to look at in passing but not something to take home.

“so you will realise you do not qualify”.

I am sure that other posters will realise how pathetic your statements are about me but luckily the Spectator keeps them up.

“Adam was right yet again”.

Do you think we will ever see Adam B on Mastermind?

Would his specialist subject be identifying shapes made from plasticine?

“phil the campaign for our human rights not to have to read your nonsense”.

That isn’t a human right; perhaps you could explain who is forcing you to read?

If you are being forced to read then you have redress to the Police. It would mean that your Article 3, 5 and 8 rights of the Human Rights Act 1998 were being violated.

Finally, here is some free advice which may help you in any future case, use paragraphs when writing.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

phil

georgie that was stunning and I am so pleased to have managed to get you to waste your time I actually enjoy our little bouts as sometimes I do get a bit too serious and you are my light relief .do not be too insulted but most of my time is dealing with very intelligent people and you do give me a break for a little fun ,so thanks georgie ,you do serve a purpose here ,whatever anyone else may think

stanley Jerusalem

Reading our George reminds me [I know, another recollection] of a foul and personal criticism written about the composer Max Reger in a national French newspaper.
Reger's friends persuaded him to write a rejoinder to the paper in the years before Jeyes and Andrex graced our smallest rooms.
He wrote "I am sitting here in the smallest room in the house and your critical comments are before me. They will soon be behind me."
Say Goodnight, George.

Adam B.

George laird, you wrote "the Iranian President isn’t someone I pay much attention to. "

Why not? If, (as you pompously title yourself), you campaign for human rights, why do you wilfully ignore one of the worst perpetrators of human rights abuses? And why are you so proud of your ignorance of the government of Iran?

Is it because Ahmadinejad hates Israel and the Jews, like you?

George Laird

Dear phil

My last post to you was censored and it was very funny too I may add.

I would like to draw your attention to this comment made by you;

"most of my time is dealing with very intelligent people".

I was openingly laughing at that one!

I don't believe that for a moment, could you be so kind to tell me what sector you are in and position you hold.

Since you state you deal with very intelligent people the inference is that you are also very highly intelligent, sorry no sale here.

If you have a good position could I put forward a theory that it was attained by cronyism!

Cronyism is not intelligence, it just involves being devious and tugging the forelock.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

phil

George Laird I am most happy that I have given you a laugh,we need more of that commodity.as for my qualifications I can assure you I am way ahead of you ,seeing as you do not even have a degree ,only a self appointed title ,but you would not afford my services so you do not need to know any more -you will have noticed no doubt that I do not engage with you on anything that requires you to have intelligence ,only a little banter which amuses me and all those that you do not enrage ,I personally find you comical and enjoy your nonsense but others possibly take you seriously ,which of course they should not /I can award you 10/10 for effort and 0/10 for content ,20/10 for persistence ,perhaps if you refrained from giving yourself a title we could take a little more notice of your comments but probably that is asking too much -I would have enjoyed your obviously rude post which Pete must have thought beyond the pale as he is usually rather liberal-you should try to me nice like me then we could all send you a hug -now wouldnt that be better?

stanley Jerusalem

phil
April 24th, 2009 3:42p
"you should try to be nice like me then we could all send you a hug -now wouldnt that be better?"
Speak for yourself phil. Nur dus felt mir.Er iz a sheina reina kapura.

phil

stanley Jerusalem I am not the expert you think -I think I got the gist of the last sentence but do you think Pete would allow you to translate it for me >:)

stanley Jerusalem

phil
April 24th, 2009 6:07pm

The first 'Nur dus felt mir' means - That's all I need!
The second 'Er iz a sheina reina kapura' means - he is a beautiful pure object to which to transfer our sins on the eve of Yom Kippur.
The ceremony of Shlogging Kapuras is performed with chickens to this day.
Over Kfar Chabad it is performed communally from a helicopter!

stanley Jerusalem

phil - }:<|)>

phil

stanley Jerusalem my knowledge was aquired when the parents talked in Yiddish thinking we kids would take no notice ,little did they know we never listened when they spoke in English,so it is not a wide knowledge and I am grateful for your help -hopefully the laird is learning fast and that the sheriff has found out where his toches is.

stanley Jerusalem

phil
April 26th, 2009 11:26am "the sheriff has found out where his toches is."
Bloody Litvaks! It's tuches!
At least you are at the other end of the Med with your sweet gefilte fish and watery chulent - Yuck! And please don't mention hamin. The last time you did some American bird, Barbara I think, started going on about ham and something on Yom Kippur. Anyway, it's a relief from Drek's monotonous rant.
BTW which one is the sheriff?
Is he the one you told to 'Gey kak offen yam?'One wonders whether he has achieved his objective yet.

phil

stanley J --BTW which one is the sheriff? he calls himself alandale something to do with sherwood forest -ich vais -mine zaide was from the hame in lithuania,but those meshugannahs will not know what happened there will they ?they are still moaning for the ones who are trying to murder the remnants ,no care for the millions that were murdered.maybe they will want to find the 200,000 buried in unmarked graves or have a word with the 4000 Jews left in lithuania .what twisted minds make them write such out of proportion rubbish ?could it be they were poisened by the chai kak or disappointed at their vacation in offen yam ?

stanley Jerusalem

phil - Thanks, he's Kevin Costner's traitorous half brother Will Scarlet, known in other texts as as Alanadale [Nothing to do with 'I'm worried about Jim']
He hasn't peeped over the horizon on this thread,yet.
It was Babi Yar, if you want the reference to the enthusiastic Ukranians who were so helpful to the Waffen SS. By the end of the war they reckoned over 250,000 were 'executed' there. Bit like the enthusiastic poles who disposed of the returnees after they had survived the camps when they wanted to move back into their own houses that their neighbours had so thoughtfully occupied. They finished up with a bullet in the back of the neck under the orchards or the new pigsties too.
We really need to make ourselves more popular phil. Any ideas?

phil

Stanley J"We really need to make ourselves more popular phil. Any ideas?" ---not really Stanley ,but personally I only care that those I have respect for think well of me ,the rest would do nothing for me ,so why should I worry whether sin /carl likes me ,.))as for the laird if he actually cared as much as we do to make this a better world rather than proclamations by his title and then just causing trouble all over the place ,we might have half a chance ..))

phil

frank bruno bless him used to ask "where,s Arry" I HAVE TO ASK WHERE IS GEORGIE ?????