So where's the boycott call?

Original Tony

An eternal bias that can only be explained because the Jews are God's chosen people. Their elimination would make God a liar (because He promised to keep Israel safe for all eternity).

If God is a liar therefore, satan has won the battle between good and evil.

This entire conflict is spiritual but very few people can see that. They have no rational reason for their hatred of the Jews.

Terry

Double standards & media bias are nothing new. Few people these days care about the truth, about integrity, about historical accuracy. We are being drowned in a flood of slogans, distortions, & outright falsifications of reality. The intellectual dishonesty staggers the imagination.

Josh

I wonder why Jeremy Bowen didn't report this. He seems obsessed with criticising Israel (one of a tiny number of democracies in the Middle East) yet if those Hamas ''freedom fighters'' start to attack people, there is a blackout

Raymond Joseph Douglas

Original Tony , you are bang on the money with your comments .Bless you brother !

GaryO

Not just that, what about thousands of civilians killed by US and pakistani forces in their wars with Taliban? Only the other day, US drone (and US has accepted this) killed over 30 pakistani civilians.

Not a peep from the media or the UN or the various "NGOs"! Where's all the outcry?

One rule for Israel another for the rest of the world.

Neil Turner

"One rule for them, one rule for us"

Israel in my opinion wastes much effort and initiative by seeking to keep the UN / USA / EU on board. It is clear that none of them are friendly.

I believe it is high time for Israel to make a stand. No land for peace, no more concessions, and tit for tat on terrorism

Israel should take every opportunity to "out" the hypocisy and self serving of those who seek its destruction

The US has made its intentions clear, and I think it is high time to call Obama's bluff. Israel has countries queueing up to buy its technology anyway

Much like the Tories have called Brown's bluff on 10% cuts, Israel should take the bold stand. I'm sure many around the world would stand with them

Ellen

Where's Ronnie, George Laird, Carl & Co?

There's lots of these posts on here where they go uncharacteristically sheepish.

stanley Jerusalem

Ellen
June 25th, 2009 11:18am
"Where's Ronnie, George Laird, Carl & Co?There's lots of these posts on here where they go uncharacteristically sheepish"
They have probably emigrated to blogs elsewhere that haven't yet started 'copy & pasting' "do you agree with hamas'stance on the existence of the State of Israel?" Drek Blades, however continues to activate our hackles, so all is not lost Ellen.

Wm. Hazlitt

If I read Ms. Phillips aright, she agrees that this kind of behaviour is barbaric (the death in custody) and oppressive and tyrannical (the intimidation of journalists and suppression of free speech). I am therefore confused as to who she thinks has been shown to have double standards.

Original Tony

Ellen...well said, when the Palestinians are naughty the liberal posters just disappear!

Jez

Neil Turner,

With all due respect (and as an opinion) your statement is absolutely ridiculous.

Rhodesia found itself 'cut off' and was in the end (even with sanction rule-bending) at the mercy of South African support.

When this was retracted the Smith Government had to go to the bargaining table with a terrorist.

Since then it hasn't really gone too well there, has it really?

You need to keep as many people on board without having to compromise your long term safety.

That is the mine-field when your allies/associates aren’t anywhere close to the situation you’re in but vehemently adhere to a Liberal-Left dogma.

Maximilian

Meanwhile, [quote] Israel has decided to radically reduce its military presence in the West Bank cities of Kalkilya, Ramallah, Jericho, Jenin, and Bethlehem as part of an effort to bolster the Palestinian Authority, defense officials said on Thursday.

So that’s all right then.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1245924926273&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Jez

Neil Turner;

(Sorry i'm not picking on you by the way but what you're on about is madness- as an opinion)

'Israel has countries queueing up to buy its technology anyway.'

Probably, i have used Israeli technology in my industry often- and it's good i'd like to state for the record!

The thing is;

Like cash flow, you'll (probably) need a flow of bigger and better military technology- as time passes.

You cut-off from EU, US and where do you go for new defence technology you could not possibly manufacture to a suffient level in Israel?

Africa?- No chance.

China? - All copies, outdated

Russia - Under invested, outdated.

The last thing you want to do is be faced with military technology that is the same as yours in five to ten years.

Satelite technology? (quite essential maybe) Who'd you use if you cut yourself off from the international community? North Korea maybe?

Then there's international investment that runs into billions on a yearly basis... all of a sudden there's no money?

You've got to take a breath and think 'long-term'.

And that goes for the expansion of West Bank Settlements maybe.

Michael B

Gilad Shalit was kidnapped by Hamas three years ago today.

Hamas, a Sunni beneficiary/proxy of Syria and Iran and among Jimmy Carter's favorite terrorist orgs, has repeatedly denied not only his family and Israel any access whatsoever, it has also denied the Intl Red Cross access to Gilad.

Original Tony

Jez...I agree with what you say about Rhodesia, being a Rhodesian myself.

However, Israel is a different kettle of fish. She now makes 80% of all her armaments, grows all her own food (net exporter) and has technology to make the rest of the world beg for.

I am convinced that a massive oil strike there is imminent and when that happens Israel can give the whole world the middle finger.

But! In line with my post higher up this page, Israel will never be abandoned by God and that's all she needs.

YA

"journalists".. here is a syllabus of BBC4 morning programs for this week:
1)Bagram Guantanamo 2)Iraq inquiry 2)Deadly American drones 3)French burka for pipal 4)Failed asylum seekers 5)British guilt in Iran 6)Israeli settlements. And so on and so forth, ad nauseum.

Recent broadcast of BBC religion & ethics service:
1)Presentation of some gold-and-azur majestic work of Indian (Muslim) artist in the British Museum.. named.. "Submission"
2) Anglican priest answers questions on.. reducing protestant church's carbon footprint.

Who decides what to broadcast on BBC - themes, and sequence? Who are they? Are there some interesting bank account details, maybe? And BTW where is the boycott?

Jez

Origional Tony;

Didn't know that about their armaments capability.

We use a specific componant that's manufactured in Israel that's approx 60% cheaper than the nearest competitor here- and it's very simple technology that can be easily amalgamated to existing machine units (that's 60% cheaper *with* the UK distributors mark up!). It is sound kit and i use it in lots of our refurbishments here.

They do want to strike oil then they can tell the lot of them to sod off.

Trade is the key, with the EU maybe... but just don't lose sight of a nightmare of inextractable West Bank over-extension with the main leaders internationally cow-towing to the liberal left machine... against Israel.

Archie

Absolutely Miss Phillips! Spot-on Original Tony!

Peter Burman

Keep rattling the cage, Ms. Phillips! You're one of the only voices of reason in Britain. Thanks for your good work!

Paul

In answer to Josh, Bowen has been found guilty of biased reporting I believe. The BBC seem to have done nothing much about it. He has popped up in Iran now but all he can tell us is that people go on their roofs at night singing 'God is great'. His reporting has been totally biased for years and is an absolute disgrace. But after the MP's expense debacle there does seem at last to be some questioning of what goes on in the Beeb.Bowen is typical of the intellectually shallow drivel coming from that area. He is just the Hamas mouthpiece never questioning anything that they feed him. He is an absolute disgrace to independent reporting.

Neil Turner

Jez

No offence taken. In response...

- the USA and EU countries are currently bankrupted. There is now a new world economic order, and countries like India would be far better friends to Israel. Israel has lucrative arms deals with the Indians, and also sells to Russia

- as far as the USA goes, Obama clearly aims to sacrifice Israel to Islam, much as Europe sacrified Czechoslovakia in the 1930's. There is no more special relationship, despite the rhetoric

- as a Bible believing Christian, I also take the view that Israel only has to impress Him. The Bible is clear that eventually Israel will have no friends on earth except the (true)Church. If you watch carefully now you will see how God will judge those nations who oppose Israel, much like you can link the downfall of the British Empire to Britain's opposition to the creation of Israel in 1947/48

Geoff M

The Liberal Media - like all Liberals - separates the world into two camps.

The first camp is white people, heterosexuals, elders, Christians, Jews, men, advanced societies (i.e. Israel, Britain etc). These people are "to blame", oppressors..... i.e. "adults".

The second group - blacks and asians, muslims, women, youth, gays, non-western societies - are victims, the oppressed..... i.e. children.

This perhaps goes to the psychology of Liberals who have a patholiogical hatred of their father, their family, their society and culture.

They associate with the child - who cannot be held responsible. Similarly they cannot hold their chosen objects of association responsible either.

Jez

Hi Neil Turner:

It wasn't that ridiculous after all pal.

May i just push again though;

You never want to burn every bridge in the way you may be hinting maybe, as an opinion.

You wear a harness on a scaffold as a last line of defence- not the first.

You crank it over to an isolationist, sod the rest, go it alone policy and then you've run out of contingencies if that doesn't work out.

Like Rhodesia did.

Fran

Wm Hazlitt

I am confused by your confusion. Mr Abu Toameh pinpoints abuses of power by the Palestinian Authority and speculates as to why the Main Stream Media have remained resolutely silent about it. His informed opinion is that the MSM and NGOs would have crawled all over the story had the accusations been levelled at the Israelis.

He suggests (and Ms Phillips agrees with him) that this mismatch of responses constitutes double standards on the part of the MSM.

What is there about this proposition NOT to understand?

Jez

Hi Neil,

I’m actually fitting this in whilst at work- so if it’s a bit jumbled, apologies!

- the USA and EU countries are currently bankrupted.

* completely agree.

There is now a new world economic order.

*Agreed but this is a back-footed, fire-fighting, after the event financial approach. A ‘who holds on the tightest’ will hopefully survive.

and countries like India would be far better friends to Israel.

*Agreed.

Israel has lucrative arms deals with the Indians,

*Good- they aren’t that bad a lot- as an opinion

and also sells to Russia-

*didn’t know and maybe this should be used as a bargaining chip whilst trying to influence policy toward Iran.

- as far as the USA goes, Obama clearly aims to sacrifice Israel to Islam

*I don’t think it could be as deep as that- the West Bank maybe.

much as Europe sacrified Czechoslovakia in the 1930's-

*again this was *just* the Sudetenland to start of with- which strengthens your argument that it started with the ‘annex’ in 1938 finished with the ‘protectorates’ situation by 1939- which could be translated into West Bank now, Israel proper later. I’m sure though it can’t be that he’s after medium to long term.

There is no more special relationship, despite the rhetoric

*there is still a very strong pro Israeli line within the US maybe- as an opinion.

- as a Bible believing Christian, I also take the view that Israel only has to impress Him. The Bible is clear that eventually Israel will have no friends on earth except the (true)Church. If you watch carefully now you will see how God will judge those nations who oppose Israel, much like you can link the downfall of the British Empire to Britain's opposition to the creation of Israel in 1947/48

*If you look at the demise of this from a clinical perspective, then *if* successive British governments had vindictively set out to de-construct the phenomenon known as the British Empire piece by piece, they couldn’t have done a better job (or worse job, in the case of Africa).

My personal opinion is that the British Empire was just a precursor to a borderless free trade operation- like the East India Company pulled of until 1857. Pity the populace told to settle in these places that then fell out with the big ‘Post War de-colonisation plan'.

All the best.

pjean

Please understand that the majority of Americans are appalled by the lack of spine in this president. Most Americans have not forgotten the sacrifice that is required for the sake of freedom. We stand side by side with the Iranian people and our president's ignorance is ridiculous.

Wm. Hazlitt

I would be curious to learn from Original Tony, Neil Turner, or Jez how they know what God's Middle East policy is, that he has one, that he interests himself in politics at all, that he exists; and why they think matters of life and death should be determined on the presuppostion that he does exist and approves some killings but not others; and why their notion of God and what he approves should take precedence of the notions of others.

Wm. Hazlitt

Fran, I have attempted to explain, but my posts have disappeared too often to be an accident - I must have said something wrong.

Scipio

It does not matter to the Left and Paleocon Right. All that matters is that the Jews of Israel become delegitimazed and stigmatized to the point where the destruction of Israel (carefully phrased as the de-Zionization of Israel) is no longer considered to be beyond the pale.

Wm. Hazlitt

Fran, If these things are abhorrent when practised by Palestinians (and they are abhorrent), then they are equally abhorrent when practised by the Israelis (and they are practised by the Israelis with a regularity and efficiency beyond the ability and resources of the Palestinians to emulate). Yet on this blog it seems Israeli abuses are ignored, while the Palestinians are “hung out to dry”. (For the record, Noam Chomsky and Edward Said and others similarly beyond the pale have regularly made a point of condemning human rights abuses by Palestinian organizations. B'tselem and Human Rights Watch regularly report these abuses.)