Sleepwalking into enslavement

Jim

Melanie herself has one big thing in common with liberals: she never discusses, let alone condemns, the central role of mass immigration in creating and sustaining the UK's Islamic problem. Indeed, mass immigration, carried out against the wishes of the majority, was a sine qua non. Now we reap the whirlwind liberals sowed back in the 1950s and '60s, and Melanie continues to pretend that it is our mistaken policies, rather than their mere presence, that makes Muslims a problem here.

irenelancaster

BBC Radio 4's Sunday Programme has also been at it again in the last couple of weeks, positing moral equivalence between Hamas and religious Judaism, and offering a member of the Muslim Council of Britain carte blanche to vilify and ridicule the Bishop of Rochester. http://irenelancaster.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/01/the-total-and-u.html The tone of the interview is that Islam is now setting the agenda and granting leave to Christians to carry own their quaint custom of (for instance) bell ringing. However, this is only under sufferance. Amazingly, the interviewer went along with this completely

Joss Cope

Trying to express my distaste for you and everything you stand for has left me speechless!

field

For most Muslims there are only really three religions: Islam, Christianity and Judaism and the last only exist on suffrance, under the domination of Islam. So there is a kind of logic in mentioning only Islam despite having referred to religions plural. Polytheists like Hindus have no protection whatsoever and any protection that has been extended to them by Muslim rulers historically has been done so despite Islam, not because of it. It's good that the Bishop of Rochester has spoken out plainly. He obviously knows how Islam operates in Pakistan where the Hindu population has dwindled away (in contrast to the Muslims in India who have prospered quite well)and where Christians too are now a beleagured minority. Joss Cope - How about arguing with facts and data rather than making such a babyish response. Why not tell us why you think the Hinud population of Pakistan has dwindled away?

Stuart

Joss, you said "Trying to express my distaste for you and everything you stand for has left me speechless!" Interesting because when four radicalised Muslims came to a similar conclusion they killed 52 and maimed 700 on 7/7. Anyway, better to remain speechless and devoid of any intelligible response.

Stuart

Hang on! in 600AD when Islam started and Muslims were called to prayer they all lived in close proximity to a mosque and were without their Casio Digital watches. Hence, someone had to call them to prayer at the same time. I now find it amazing that various spokespeople from MCB, MAB, and any other Muslim-based groups manage to turn up on-time at the studio for their interview without the BBC, Sky or Channel Four needing to broadcast "If anyone has seen Inayat, tell him to get to Channel Four studios ASAP for an interview". I also remember a few concerns over BBC 5Live phone polls that experienced sudden surges of votes from mobile phones. One Muslim BBC reporter revealed that he had been texted to take part in the poll by fellow Muslims. I have an idea! T-Mobile, O2 etc might be missing a marketing trick here!

Mrs.Josephine Hyde-Hartley

Well I'm not "sleepwalking into enslavement"..Firstly I think the UN's resolution seems very sensible. What kind of "defence" entails ruining the good reputation of religions? Next, I can understand and appreciate Rabbi Yoffies comment ‘Islamic extremists constitute a profound threat. For some, this is a reason to flee from dialogue, but in fact the opposite is true.’ What about Northern Ireland? On-going "dialogue", though tortuously difficult at times has certainly made a positive difference there..nothing else ever did. As for the Bishop of Rochester's fears there are many kinds of "no go" areas about in the UK..depending on "what you're poison is" so to speak. ie what you fear the most. He obviously needs to "dialogue" with more people from these communities, it seems to me.

Stuart

When John Reid went to speak in Leytonstone, East London, he was told by a radical Islamist, Izzadeen, that he shouldn't have come to a "Muslim area". Hence, "no go, attacked (verbally) by a radical extremist. Of course, this is not the view of the Muslims of that area. But Izzadeen wouldn't have been the sole representative of a group of one!

Eagle 1

Jim, you say Melanie has never discussed immigration. I suggest you read her book LONDONISTAN where she - most adequately - discusses the point.

Andy Gill

The reaction to the Bishop's statements from the politicians left me speechless. Yes, you'd expect Bungalawala to respond with some fatuous remarks, and the only surprise here is he didn't call for a fatwah. But Nick Clegg, Hazel Blears and even the normally sensible William Hague seem to be living on a different planet. Only David Davis had the courage to the Bishop had pointed out a real problem. Can our politicians really be so out of touch - or do they think if they studiously look the other way, the problem will disappear? If the latter, they are in for a big surprise. Many ordinary people - including ordinary Muslims - want to put a stop to this sort of Islamocreep.

Lawrence Auster

Eagle 1 writes: "Jim, you say Melanie has never discussed immigration. I suggest you read her book LONDONISTAN where she—most adequately—discusses the point." This is not correct. In chapter one of Londonistan, Phillips says some startlingly strong things about Britain's acceptance of mass Muslim immigration since the mid 20th century: she calls it a "lethal" development. But then she has nothing further to say about the subject. In the last chapter of the book, where she is making her recommendations, all she says is that there should be "tough controls on immigration..." The phrase "tough controls" has no concrete meaning. Every politicians who wants to sound strong on immigration speaks of "tough controls." It could mean that you look at people's papers a little more carefully. This was discussed my website, View from the Right, in 2006: http://amnation.com/vfr/archives/006519.html Further, that is all the Melanie Phillips has ever written on the subject of what to do about immigration. When pressed by correspondents to take a position on Muslim immigration consistent with her dire warnings that Islam is a mortal threat to Britain, she has consistently refused to reply to them or to write anything on the matter in her columns.

Geoff Miller

Anyone who disbelieves Nazir-Ali should just take a walk around Wapping/Shadwell in the East End of London or Sparkbrook, Birmingham and reconsider their views. William Haig may not "recognise" the situation described but I sure as hell recognised the stones that were thrown at my wife by Muslims in the east End 4 years ago, the Church burnings, knifings and attacks on lone women, not to mention the Jihadist posters in many shop windows on the Stratford Road, Birmingham. Wake up Britain!

Thomas

The Prime Minister of Turkey, Erdogan, quoted a famous Turkish poem: "The minarets are our bayonets, the domes are our helmets, the mosques are our barracks, the believers are our soldiers." It is a call to war, not a 'call to prayer.' Jewish writers are perhaps understandably loathe to discuss immigration in any detail, particularly the reverse (either restriction of or deportation) because this issue raises the spectre of Nazism. The cruel irony is that Islam is koranically intolerant; the Koran contains many verses specifically hostile towards Jews and Christians. The Nazis' requirement of Stars of David to be worn by German Jews as identification for discrimination and persecution purposes was actually originally a requirement of 'dhimmis' (Jews and Christians who had to wear Stars of David and crosses on their clothing) living under Moslem rule in caliphates. Miss Phillips' main blindspot (and that of most columnists) is that she is unwilling to face the fact that Islam's doctrines, contained in the Koran and explained and confirmed in the ahadith, are inimical to core Western values and social, legal and political structures and are predicated on sharia law with its inherent inequalities: Hassan Butt remarked "How we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on tv proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror was Western foreign policy. By blaming the government, they did our propaganda work for us. More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology."

Stuart

Here's the emprical test. Can a Hassidic Jew walk down certain streets of East London without a single word of abuse from a Muslim? What if it were a Jew or Christian wearing a prominent Star of David or Cross? I can't think of anyone brave enough to test this out.

DBCJohn

Stuart - Name me a street in the East End where you think it might invite abuse if one wore a cross and I will try it (crucifix over jumper, under blazer but visible, I'll risk looking like a twat). I have lived in E1 for 26 years, and in summer my cross is visible under my shirt and has never attracted comment. I do tend to cover it when visiting Orthodox Jewish patients at home as they have raised objections. Muslim ones have not.

Flashbuck

There are many streets in the Eats End of London and elsewhere where the street signs are no longer in English or even bi-lingual but just in squiggles.

DBCJohn

Stuart, Spotted last Thursday 9.00am. Two young men in Orthodox Jewish attire (though they did have payot (- sidelocks - so they were not Haredi) in the vicinity of the East London Mosque, about as Muslim an area you can get in the East End. They may have been on their way to the Fieldgate Street Synagogue, which is surrounded on three sides by the East London Mosque. And there is no problem with this juxtoposition as can be seen in this quote (from 2004). 'The East London Mosque is a prime example of the work of the Three Faiths Forum which is why we are here today” said Sir Sigmund Sternberg when he opened a meeting of the Advisory Board of the Three Faiths Forum earlier this month. Sir Sigmund then introduced the Director of the Mosque, Dr. Dilowar Khan, who spoke of the good relations they have always had with the Fieldgate Street Synagogue at the rear of the Mosque, (which has been there since the time when the East End of London was home to a large number of Jews). His sentiments were echoed by the Vice President of the Synagogue, Mr. N. Roos, who told the meeting what happened a year ago when the building works for the construction of the Centre adjoining the Mosque were under way. He asked whether the works could be kept to a minimum and as far as away as possible from the Synagogue area during the Jewish High Holy Days. Mr. Dilowar Kahn not only immediately agreed to this request but went further and said but said that they would stop all building works until the end of the High Holy Days so as not to interfere with the Synagogue’s services.' I'm still waiting for Stuart to meet my challenge.

Jim P

I find it absolutely amazing that British people who have sacrificed so much in two world wars and given so much to the rest of the world in the form of parliamentary democracy and rule of low are so willfully giving it all away and a civilized way of life. Why do you not oppose the governement while you still can??? Wake up before it is too late or the world will again be faced with another world war, this time with nuclear weapons.