Slouching towards dhimmocracy (ctd)

JJS

And they say the Jews have a secret cabal controlling world-wide political, financial, and media systems!! Would that it were, I'm sometimes forced to think. Then we would not have this kind of suicide-bound appeasement.

Thinkster

Cripes. Zero steps forward, two steps backwards. What a contrast to the USA where this would never be allowed to happen. Has anyone considered that one day, (radical) Islamists may begin to discuss the idea of partitioning part of the UK, rather than 'take over' the whole country bit by bit? (Potentially risking civil war within the UK.)

Dr. Irene Lancaster FRSA

This is not at all surprising, given the fact that as long ago as 1999, state schools in the Greater Manchester area offered prayer rooms for Muslims only, and enacted their anti-racism rulings only against white pupils and staff. In my experience, a Palestinian pupil advocated the murder of all Jews in the country. When a complaint was made, she modified this to 'all Israelis. The school accepted that this was an acceptable sentiment and the charge of 'racism' was dropped. In the same school, Muslim pupils argued that sharia law should be introduced for all Britain's citizens, including amputation as a punishment for burglaries, for instance. This school was not unusual.

Stanley Jerusalem Israel

The Fat Lady has opened her prayer book....

Friend of Bill

Thinkster, be assured, we're on the same slippery slope. The UK is just just farther along in the act of committing suicide.

Henry

The Islamists make great hay with the "specialist knowledge" argument, which appeals to the appeasers because it allows them to avert their cowardly gaze. Once you accept the "specialist knowledge" argument there is then no way of ever criticising anything in Islam. I watched Guardian writer John Harris on Newsnight's late review not so long ago and he tried to bring the curtain down on any criticism of any branch of Islam by saying words to the effect of: I don't understand all of Islam. It's like saying I don't understand everything about a political party or I don't understand everything about Nazism. This is how Islam is sweeping Europe before it. We must simply accept Islam on its own terms wherever it crops up, no questions asked. It, of course, is entirely at liberty to question, challenge and undermine traditional Western culture and thought. I doubt the mob will see the folly of such cowardice until we're knee deep in a Gates of Vienna situation, only this time I suspect there's much less chance of freedom winning.

Alcuin

I understand that in Catholic State schools, only Comparative Religion is now taught, and that there is, in effect, no religious instruction worthy of the name is carried out. I don't know what the status of Private Christian schools is with respect to how they are allowed or obliged to teach RE. Curiously in this country RE is (AFAIK) the only mandatory subject, while in the USA it is the only prohibited subject. I have heard Priests who say that Religion should no longer be taught, and I agree. The place for such teaching in in places of worship and in the home. Many Muslims have complained about how little they have been told about how Western Liberal Democracy came about, and it is this (all the way from Socrates, through Jesus, Constantine, Charlemagne, Luther, Kant, J.S.Mill, Paine, to the Chartists and the Suffragettes) that is missing from our curriculum. This is because we have never had a large group who questioned our values - we had all thought them to be Universal (most of us still do), and now we have a large minority totally ignorant of all of it, with their heads filled with mediaeval superstition, presented as fact. We should certainly know what is being taught in all our schools, and to expect a private inspection cadre, which will inevitably soon fall under the control of Deobandis who will put up the shutters to Ofsted while feeding it placative lies, is a crass and reckless step that we shall all come to rue.

libertyni

Why we insist on politicians having anything to do with educating our children is beyond me. Education should have nothing to do with the state.

Alan (UK)

What I find utterly bewildering is that I, as someone who could be categorised as 'working class', without the benefit of a college or university education, fully understand the threat of Islamism and yet our 'educated' ruling elite seem not to! As a result of noticing (some years ago) that Islam and Muslims seemed to be the recipients of an inordinate amount of deference I became intrigued as to why? Since those early days I have taken the time to read, not only Melanie's work, but Ibn Warraq, Mark Steyn, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Robert Spencer etc. etc. Now I cannot believe that our distinguished Members are that stupid and, therefore, there must be more to it. Considering many possibilities I came to the following personal conclusions: 1. Any negativity shown to Islam would alienate Saudi Arabia and threaten our oil supply and our arms industry? 2. The socialist dogma of pernicious Political Correctness prevents any politician from revealing their true thoughts? 3. The Marxist dream of world domination is still inherent in the minds of the members of our current government and, since the fall of Communism, Islam is the only belief system that propagates the same ideals? I have, of course, no actual evidence that any of my conclusions are correct but let’s consider the first. Tony Blair, and lately, Gordon Brown have put a stop to an investigation into corruption in the ‘Al Yamama’ arms contract stating it would undermine relations with Saudi and have a detrimental affect on British industry. Vis-à-vis ‘don’t upset’ the Saudis. The second premise: In my experience Political Correctness is akin to Orwell’s “All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others”. So minority groups within the nation have to be courted more generously than the indigenous majority. To perpetuate this ideology no group, even those with elements of treachery in them, must be singled out, otherwise the whole doctrine becomes flawed. And now the last: If this is ‘pie-in-the-sky’ thinking, why are the most vociferous Marxism followers the same people who welcome, with open arms, Muslims who have stated aims of destroying Israel and the west and introducing the world caliphate. Two who spring to mind are George Galloway and Ken Livingstone. No doubt I will be told if this is a load of old tosh?

Lee Jakeman

To Alan(UK): I too used to be "bewildered" by the stupidity of our educated elite. It was only later in life that I discovered the reason for it. The word "knowledge" is related to the verb "to acknowledge". The word "ignorance" is related to the verb "to ignore". So a knowledgeable person could be defined as "one who acknowledges" and an ignorant person as "one who ignores". To acknowledge something is to give your attention to it. To ignore something is to pay it no attention, to look the other way or to "turn a blind eye" as we say. A knowledgeable person is thus not an educated person at all, but one who is astute, observant, attentive. A person who was attentive would never ignore inconvenient facts. Most of our educated people are actually quite ignorant. What's worse is that, in the name of political correctness, they even make a virtue of their ignorance.

g

...not old tosh at all. Sounds spot on to me...

YA

"..Education should have nothing to do with the state.." This is brainless anarchism, I am sorry. How about military education? navy? police? national history? national language? There are many levels of collective existence, education is a mirror of all of them. On Islamic affairs, - Melanie is too sensitive. Segregation is inevitable anyway. Not in the last turn becasue there is no desire among normal people to be "integrated" with watever version of "true" Islam. What forms this isolation will develop, largely depends on how fast a replacement to oil is found, and how effectively external jihad is confronted. Last point - isolation doesn't always mean failure and it isn't always malignant. Orthodox Jews are very isolated community, - well, more realistic and tolerant to others than our days Muslims, less violent, .. and not planning to occupy half of London for their Grand Synagogue. To the question of "occupation", BTW.

Dalmar

Melanie, keep crying wolves & demonizing all Muslims—for you’re only exposing your morbid paranoia towards ALL Muslims—and inadvertently vindicating the struggle for justice of all innocent & law-abiding Muslims who’s only mistake is being Muslim! I strongly believe that the Muslim world needs ‘more morbidly paranoid Melanies’—keep crying wolves Melanie! A lady who claims to be fighting for freedom—by denying a certain members of the community their freedom—based on their religion—is nothing but a brain-dead bigot!

Osama

'The values of this western civilisation under the leadership of America have been destroyed. Those awesome symbolic towers that speak of liberty, human rights and humanity have been destroyed. They have gone up in smoke.'

Zardoz

9:26pm - Isn't it past your bedtime Dalmar? Off you go then before Mum finds out.

Dalmar

Zardoz, stop your paranoid hallucinations—I think it’s time for you to take your psychotic medicine—hurry up before you pass out!

Geoff

"Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." Dalmar, do you consider that to be a demonising or bigoted statement? You seem very concerned about that sort of thing.

Dalmar

Osama, you guys have not destroyed the values of the Western civilization—but you have only managed to end thousands of innocent lives—including people from all walks & faiths of life—and in the process reserved your one-way ticket to eternal hell fire! Osama, imagine if these people were your brothers, sisters, relatives, wives, uncles etc—how would you have felt? No wonder, ETERNAL HELL FIRE is reserved for people like you—go & enjoy it!

Adam B.

Dalmar, I challenge you to find a quote by Melanie which states that all Muslims are the problem. If you can't, then I expect you to apologise for your baseless accusation.

Frank Pulley

Troll alert! You're providing Dalmar with oxygen again, guys. Ignore her/him, (s)he's a twat.

field

Yes. Islamicisation is much more of a possibility than people think. It could certainly develop on the basis of: 1. Further mass immigration. 2. Continued high birth rate of UK Muslims. 3. A Muslim party (or Respect style party) gaining significant numbers of MPs in inner city constituencies and then holding the balance of power. 4. Shariah creep - whereby Muslims are allowed separate applciation of Shariah law and Shariah is applied to defined localities. 5. Accelerated flight of non-Muslims from the country and accelerated immmigration of Muslims. 6. Increased conversion to Islam. With all the above one can see how the Muslim population could rise to maybe 30% of the total population within the next 50 years; could hold the balance of political power; and could have Shariah imposed in large parts of the country.

Larry

Dalmar, would it follow, therefore, that a mosque that wishes to impose a call to prayer over a population that is not Muslim, a man who suggests that the non-Muslims of the UK are 'becoming like Nazis" and Muslim organisations who suggest that a democratically constituted Foreign Policy be changed or we might face more bombings - could be called "brain-dead bigots" since the targets of their comments aren't Muslims. When the aim of Government is to enable integration then policing of schools to a common standard is absolutely necessary.

Tony Rawlings

I usually take issue with some of MP's articles, but wow with this one she has hit the nail on the head. King Philp of Spain, Napoleon, The Kaiser and Hitler all tried and failed. But this government has well and truly suceeded in shafting OUR COUNTRY.

Andy Gill

Mel has got it right in the headline. Its Dhimmocracy. We are witnessing a craven abandonment of Western enlightnement values in the face of the aggressive expansionist ideology of Islamism. In the last analysis, it will be either us or them, and unless Europe in general and the UK in particular rediscover their backbone, it won't be us.

John

Spot on, Alan. YA, your rant about 'brainless anarchism' reveals you to be the brainless one here. The state interferes far too much in our personal freedoms. It is perfectly possible to have a non-state system. Dalmar must be an alias of someone determined to make Muslims look ridiculous.

michael savell

It's a race to see who takes over this country first,Islam or Gynocracy.I think the women had better start learning to shoot straight because they can't expect help from weakened men. Neither side brooks any argument,is totally entrenched in it's views and seeks a weakened society.I'm sure disaster could be averted all round if either side could tell the truth. What's the point of having troops in Iraq and Afghanistan when the real battle is here,or is that part of the plot?

Dr. Irene Lancaster

This blog may be of interest: http://irenelancaster.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/02/the-uk-churches.html

John

Michael, instead of whingeing, how about fighting back?

david

Not sure I understand the education system in Britain. I've read somewhere that public and private schools are quite the opposite of the American interpretation. Here private schools are those that are not subsidized by the government. Here there are many religious schools, mostly parochial. Many are evangelical and indoctrinate children in the belief that Gays are evildoers and that Armageddon is the ultimate goal etc... Watch the film, "Jesus Camp". It is rather disturbing. In the US religious institutions do not pay taxes, but they are also not "technically" allowed to talk about politics or tell their congregations how to vote. Unfortunately, the churches are not holding up their end of the bargain. I have been to a few of these churches with congregations of thousands and they freely discuss politics, albeit in a veiled manner. Frankly, their rhetoric is eerily similar to that of the Third Reich. And the fervor is as great as any Nazi rally.

david

Does anyone remember the film "Misery"? The female minister in Jesus Camp totally reminds me of the mentally disturbed Katy Bates character. Its spooky.

RS

For Uk time is now to learn lessons from arround the world. Under Indian constitutions sec 30 minorities can have institutions base on relgious grounds had have right to administer and run without government ineterference however same right is not avilable to majority that is Hindus. Any keen follower of Indian affairs will realise, what a havock it is playing with country. Uk has not done constitutionaly but heading towards it. It will play havock with country's politics and general well being. Lesson is not to make policies and laws on the hoof on the pretex of accomodating minorities beliefs when these belief are clearly at odds with beliefs of other communities.

Robert

"A new independent watchdog has been set up to be more ‘sensitive’ toward Islamic education." More like "a new Islamic lapdog has been set up to be more "sensitive" toward Islamic education." Clearly they want to pick their own controlled inspectors to make sure that the truth about Islamic schools gets buried and hidden from the public, because if the public knew the truth, they would be outraged. And if anyone is curious about what the free world is facing, there is a 333-page report by Major Stephen Coughlin here: http://www.strategycenter.net/include/docFormat_list.asp?docRecNo=725&docType=0 which assesses Islamic law and doctrine. The Islamic Trojan Horse, Hesham Islam, hired by the Pentagon as an "expert", pressed the Pentagon to have Major Coughlin fired for exposing the true nature of Islam. Find a few hours to read it all to understand what we all face.

david

They complain… of the boundless cruelty with which the USA-and now England also-seek to rid themselves of their Islamic elements. All these great democratic empires taken together have only a handful of people to the square kilometer. Both in England and the USA there are over 140. Yet formerly England, without blinking an eyelid, for whole decades admitted these Palestinians by the hundred thousand. But now… when the nation is no longer willing to be sucked dry by these parasites, on every side one hears nothing but laments. But lamentations have not led these democratic countries to substitute helpful activity at last for their hypocritical questions; on the contrary, these countries with icy coldness assured us that obviously there was no place for the Palestinians in their territory. … So no help is given, but morality is saved. the Muslim question today is no longer an English problem: it has become a world problem.

david

Geoff, How about this one? "we were born to conquer and rule all of the land of Israel, free of the goyim and of our enemies."

david

Oddly enough, the speeches above were not my own words. I must confess they were written by much more famous "thinkers", with a few alterations of course. Any guesses? Really great stuff!

david

No takers? Regarding the first post, these were the words of Hitler only I replaced the word "Jews" with "Muslim" or "Palestinian". Nobody seemed to blink an I at the assertions made by a known mass murderer, when they referred to Muslims. That is simply shocking and telling. http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/statements.htm In the second post, I made no alterations. These were the words of Rabbi B. Kahane of the legal political organization in Israel of the same name. http://www.kahane.org/kahbwriting.htm Sounds a lot like old Hitler to me. No takers? Regarding the first post, these were the words of Hitler only I replaced the word "Jews" with "Muslim" or "Palestinian". Nobody seemed to blink an I at the assertions made by a known mass murderer, when they referred to Muslims. That is simply shocking and telling. http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/statements.htm In the second post, I made no alterations. These were the words of Rabbi B. Kahane of the legal political organization in Israel of the same name. http://www.kahane.org/kahbwriting.htm Sounds a lot like old Hitler to me!

Grace

I read these articles, and all I want to do is scream. People please get out in the streets and scream. You are about to lose your country, your freedom, your heritage.