The Neatherworld of Britain's busted political class

Joe Strummer

Of course Neather is now backtracking. I wouldn't expect anything less. This story of malevolent treachery should be the headline news on EVERY major British media news outlet, both electronic and in print. That it isn't is very strange indeed.

Lungfish

And to cap it all Straw wants Turkey in the EU!.

Kevyn Bodman

Melanie:
Thank you for writing about this.
So many seem to be trying to avoid it.
The enormity of the deceit has deeply shocked me.
Please continue to use your skills and position to keep this issue in the public consciousness.

Rob Icebucket Newman

I'd like to kick 'em in the Neather regions.

David in Canada

this should be the story that won't die and the end of the labour party. that it isn't shows how far gone the late great britain has fallen.

Roue le Jour

Hear, hear.

Wilhelm

The second most popular boys name in England is,

drum roll please, Mohammad.

The party is well and truly over.

W. Smith

"If David Cameron won’t raise the roof even over the fact that the British have had their cultural identity deliberately destroyed by stealth, then what on earth is the point of the Conservative party?"

There is no point to the Conservative Party --- they're simply a bunch of opportunists who want their turn in office, and if that means stealing the clothes which the government wore to get in, then so be it.

They're most certainly NOT conservative, and have not been for many years. They can't even call a thing by its proper name and point out once and for all that the universally reviled bogeymen of the "far right" are actually "far left". Why do they allow the media to lump Griffin's lot in with them? The BNP are Socialists --- they are the scion of Mosley, not Churchill. Take away the nonsense about racial purity and you'd just have a muscular old-Left party. Adding racism to a Leftist party doesn't magically move it across the entire political spectrum to the far right.

The Tories won't say this though: they're a craven bunch of Oxbridge toffs who are way too fond of their opposite numbers to actually cause them any trouble. The likes of Cameron, Grayling and Gove think it frightfully unsporting to rub the Left's nose in the outgrowths of its hateful ideology.

Why don't you just give up on them, Melanie? They've certainly given up on you, and on all genuine conservatives. How long are you going to flog this dead horse? It's no good playing Cassandra indefinitely, in the hope that the Tories will listen to you.

Throw your support instead behind a party which has been saying what you have all along. If those who are disaffected with the main parties can be persuaded to vote UKIP rather than BNP, you'll have done the forces of civilisation a great service.

Augustus

It is now plainly obvious what the Government's objective was: To maximize the benefits of migration into Britain to their advantage, and without seeking a proper mandate from the British people, and that includes the Commonwealth immigrants already here.

Followers of extreme 'right-wing' groups put too much emphasis on ethnicity in terms of a 'cultural identity'. Multiculturalists do this too when they say that young blacks find it hard to follow rules devised by 'dead white men'. Uncurtailed immigration doesn't fit easily with a welfare state,
and a regulated labour market. A halt on immigration is the only way to turn back the tide of a host of problems created by a decade of irresponsible Government immigration policy.

And BTW, why should taxpayers money go to a militant Islamic group to teach young children of five about their beliefs, as the Dail Mail has now reported?

Graeme

If David Cameron refuses to comment on this issue,it will show how scared he is of the left wing media and should stand down as party leader as he is clearly far too liberal to lead it.

Sam ARMSTRONG

Melanie asks: "What on earth is the point of the Conservative party?"

This is precisely the question Call-Me-Dave asked himself just before he transformed it into a quasi-Marxist party.

JamesC

Thanks melanie. Message to david cameron are you a conservative, please tell us we would so like to know. Or are you trying to copy blair using the politics of the lowest common denominator. Look dave just tell us and put us out our misery ARE YOU A CONSWERVATIVE.

tom durkin

yeah well said wilhelm, with that one statistic (unverified) I can draw all the conclusions i want to have a big ol' prejudice party!! it might even be better than my windows 7 party....

terence patrick hewett

There are words with meanings corrosive as acid. Heavy with the stench of historic crimes. Words that damn those who use them. One such word is "Judenrein", the Nazi-era word that means "cleansed of Jews"

There is a new word "Engelsrein" Cleansed of the English.

Lungfish

Wilhelm- Muhammad projected to be most popular boys name this year ironically pushing Jack into number two.

Marek

An obvious step is for the Conservatives to guarantee a referendum before any future enlargement of the EU.

There are, for example, 80 million Turks hoping for accession. But your US friends want Turkey in the EU. Which way will you swing Melanie?

Somehow I believe that you will ignore this sensible proposal.

MartinW

The Straw-Roche plan is what we suspected all along, but could not prove. The story is dynamite. The BBC should be covering it, but that organisation (the broadcasting wing of NuLab) is not going to rock the boat and give any advantage to the Conservatives. No, the BBC will stick to its full-on campaign to keep NuLab in power after May.

Tiberius

As a supporter of Cameron's approach generally, I have to say I hope he questions Brown on this tomorrow too.

But, the likely outcome will be Brown telling him he's jumping on the latest passing bandwagon, that the story is a fabrication of the Rightwing press, and that one must infer that he is a racist for asking the question, just as Blair once did similarly to Michael Howard (who could not respond as he'd has his six).

And we still wouldn't see Airbus 380-loads leaving these shores as a reversal of this treachery. The undoing of the damage inflicted by New Labour on this country only starts once they are out of office. The repair of the damage is a decades-long process, which can only be successful if the British electorate finally gets the message that Labour will never be good for them. And the success of that message relies on the Tory party never again indulging in the self-destruction of 1992-2005.

Jez

Welcome to our world Melanie.

Very frustrating and lonely i think you'll find.

Jez.

(Uneducated White Working Class)

Bhaskar

Please allow me to express a dissenting voice. Firstly it is dangerous to hint at conspiracies since all classes of extremists, whether of the left or the right variety, whether religious fanatics-be they Islamists, American Christian Fundamentalists or any other type, cherish conspiracy theories. While it is legitimate to question Labour's quasi open door immigration policy, this policy was driven by economic necessity rather than any desire to make this country more multicultural. A falling birth rate in the midst of an economic boom meant there was a skills shortage. The demand for skilled foreign workers often came from company CEOs because many of the UK based multinationals were struggling to fill technical and managerial vacancies. The drive to recruit foreign workers originated from the previous Tory administration- recall that the boom years started from 1994. Whatever the political and social consequences of such a policy, from a free market economic perspective, it did then make a lot of sense. In relation to this point it is worth pointing out that one of the causes for Japan's two decade long economic stagnation is that Japan has experienced the twin condition of a falling birth rate and zero immigration. Also in the modern context it is nonsense to pretend that the demand for a more open border originates exclusively from the wilder shores of the political left. Many from the right wing libertarian free market oriented political spectrum have increasingly advocated comparatively free movement of skilled labour across international boundaries as a necessary condition for the survival of global capitalism.

Norm

Peter Hitchens has been banging on about the Tories for years urging people not to vote for them. Looks like he is right.

Jez

"Today David Cameron gave a press conference. As far as I can see this was not even mentioned."

Melanie.

They are not interested.

Honest.

They could not care less. This regarding all three of our main political Party's.

They want it all or anyone pointing this out to just 'go away'.

Bombs, riots, stabbings, Heroin wars, Asylum floods.

What's been the response? More immigration. More mis-information. More lies. More laws to demonise any resistance.

The main three political party's MP's, if they did want to do something, would probably find their careers coming to a grinding halt.

Then what for them?

The EU / big multi-nationals only takes 'good' players, like Mandelson, Blair, the Kinnocks etc, etc, etc.

I have nothing to lose here;

The (not exclusively white) Working class communities are going to get steamrollered, 'Over' or 'aside'. This as they have been for the 30 years.

The established Afro Carribean communities are also feeling the squeeze- as they are always in areas adjacent to expanding Muslim areas.

The Jewish communities, after living here for 500 years are going to be in trouble i very much expect. The Gaza protests in Jan/Feb 09 is an indicator of what one massively expanding hostile community can spontaniously mobilise when it feels angry.

And still the political elite 'pack in' 400,000 new faces per year.

And still the Conservatives, Lib-Dem and certainly NuLab lie.

You've got to admit, a bit strange to Tories haven't said anything really, don't you think?

This is the *harsh reality* of what mainstream politics is all about and it's what we (in the Northern Mill Towns) have witnessed up here since the riots of 2001.

It's not good is it?

Dixon

This ought to be a case of "doing a Ratner". Unfortunately, it seems to have been passed over.

Simon Denis

I think Tiberius makes an excellent point. It is difficult to campaign on this issue precisely because it is so explosive. Think tactically, for a moment: the Labour party is desperate to paint the Tories as "fascist" - look at the long and futile campaign over the career of Kaminski. It is of course unfair - to say the least - but an easily bamboozled electorate would bolt at the first whiff of apparent "extremism" . The genius of the left has been to introduce our vast demographic transformation under the language and conventions of old style toleration. It is through maintaining such language that we will finally and durably beat them, for the differences between moderate expression and hard left policy in this area are every day more glaring. Moreover, it is through sustaining this language that social peace will be maintained in our now - sadly - much more "diverse" future. The great trick of the left in this horrible Blair/Brown period has been to offer words of consensus whilst carrying out radical fringe policies as quietly and relentlessly as possible. Look at the continual dumbing down of schools and standards; look at the steadfast refusal to reform health; look at the betrayal over Europe - need I go on? The right has traditionally made the honest mistake of angrily pointing this out. How do we look, when wounded, indignant, outraged? Offputting. The trick is to talk to the voters gently, reasonably and openly about measures to deal with their practical problems. This will naturally extend to controlling the absurd levels of immigration in which Labour has so despicably connived. Burkean wrath, however; lamentation over the past and horror of the present will merely chill people as it whistles over their heads. I write as someone who shares that wrath, who feels the horror, who longs to give vent to the lamentation. Perhaps, as things lurch from bad to worse, there will come a time for some blistering Phillipic - no pun intended, but cataracts have to ripen before the eye is relieved of them. Frankly, I don't quite think that now is the time. Secondly, we on the right have to clarify our own thinking. Are we defending the long continuities of a purely civil tradition, or is there any element of ethnic nationalism in our view? Does an identifiably indigenous core have the right to continue to predominate in terms of numbers through the fair means of immigration control? Or is the England which we are trying to preserve less easily resolved into "core" and "outer layers"?

YA

Hey people keep opening your eyes.

The whole sections in British museums are replaced, literally, by piles of multicultural garbage. By contrast, the samples of Iranian and Arab calligraphy and garments,
placed nearby, look like true art.

Churches are bought by some anonymous buyers, stay empty for severl years, and then open as mosques.

Universities open more and more Islamic Law departments. Where their graduates will be employed - could one guess?

BBC broadcasts strictly Islamic propaganda, - Karadjic genocide, innocents jailed in Guantanamo, suspected American drones, Gaza war crimes, Iranian nuclear majesty, Imams fighting global warming, Sudanese female trousers, far-right fascist Wilders, etc.

On BBC, the names of American, German, French enterpreneurs, scientists, etc. - half of them sound, strangely, also like Arab-Islamic. Are you surprised? - why, are you racist?

Even pop-music becomes more and more like Middle-Eastern-style, aggressive, mediocre, nauseous garbage.

International prize-winning Indian melodrama that ends, quite insignificantly, by the words "God is Great".

Can't forget Rihanna's clip with black-clad strictly "ethnic" male dancers wearing Al-Zarkawi-style black skullcaps.
Turned my TV off since.

There IS immigration conspiracy, but that ISN'T only conspiracy.

just Louise

Fact: in general, upwardly mobile people - those whose families have moved from a working class background into the middle class - tend to have fewer parents than their parents did.
Fact: this tends to be the case in aspirational second- and third-generation immigrant families as well as in (whisper the word) "indigenous" families.
Fact: As the headmistress of a Yorkshire girls' school observed in the "Daily Telegraph" some time ago, in her experience many girls from Muslim families in Britain hope to go to university and have rewarding careers like their non-Muslim classmates. However, in too many cases parents thwart these Muslim girls' ambitions and western-style drive for independence by promptly removing them from school and arranging a marriage for them with an under-educated bridegroom from the Old Country; they set up home in Britain, where the once ambitious girl who yearned for self-fulfilment becomes a subservient baby machine, producing children in a household in which one parent is anglicised but the other is decidedly not. The pattern, she warned, tends to repeat itself from generation to generation.
Fact: As the BBC reported a couple of years or so ago in a special news feature (the female newsreader kept a fixed smile and perky tone throughout), in a parellel development many British Asian men are rejecting British Asian women in the marriage market on the grounds that the latter are too anglicised and not "traditional" enough, and so are travelling to the sub-continent to find a more compliant bride steeped traditional ways. They set up home in Britain, and (yes, you've guessed it).
Fact: as long as polygamous marriages take place abroad, Muslim men can have multi-wives in Britain, and get state benefits for those women.
Fact: you don't have to be a mathematical genius to figure out where all this will lead us.

Some time ago, Winston Churchill's grandson and namesake warned in the press of the growing influence of Wahhabi imams in England, asking wistfully who will defend the Homeland. A few days ago WSC's grandson Nicholas Soames joined Frank Field in warning of the future shock that the present shambolic immigration situation will cause.
So there still are some Conservatives trying to shake "Call Me Dave" into action.
Too late, I fear, too late. We've lost control of our borders and so long as we remain in the EU we'll never regain any semblance of it.
"Cry, the Beloved Country." Yes, indeed.

Murgatroyd

The position is perhaps bleaker than one might have expected.

And the mainstream continues to prevaricate. I don't think they have an inkling yet what is coming down the pipeline.

david elder

From David Elder in Australia: Mel, see if you can get hold of a book called Is Australia An Asian Country, Stephen Fitzgerald, 1997. Fitzgerald was a respected diplomat and public servant. All you need read is pp.126-128. They describe Fitzgerald's experience in doing a 1980s report on immigration and related matters for the Hawke ALP government. Fitzgerald mercilessly exposed the abuse of multiculturalism to buy ethnic votes, to foolishly empower multicultural 'representatives' to try to blackmail governments with block ethnic voting, to legitimise outpourings of total contempt for traditional Australia, a place with no qualities, no family values, nothing - and to allow the ethnic lobbyists to push the agenda for their own ethnic power base - to blazes with any other ethnic group. Then there was the secret report to PM Hawke behind Fitzgerald's back - Fitzgerald got hold of it, and described it as the most mendacious document he had seen in all his dealings with government. That would be saying something. Thankfully Howard pruned back the worst of this jungle, braving a farrago of accusations of racism and xenophobia in doing so. But this Australian experience of overdone multiculturalism deserves to be publicised worldwide.

We also had problems with an influx of Lebanese refugees in the 1970s during the war there - our embassy in Lebanon was moved out of that country, and as a result our generous refugee program for that troubled country was hijacked by a narrow section of the Lebanese population, a very conservative group from the hill country area. They settled in a district of Sydney, Lakemba, and produced a strife-torn region of people with limited English and technical skills, attendant high unemployment, gang behaviour and violence, much ASIO (security) bugging of the area to watch for terrorist plots, and a daft Mufti Sheik Hilali who after 20 years of troublemaking, evading attempted deportation, and antisemitic and extremist outbursts, finally stepped down in 2007. I have known some fine Muslim people in the academic world, so 'Islamophobia' isn't the issue here. It is the willingness of some politicians to indulge excessive multiculturalism out of naivety or opportunism. Britain, our valued mother country still - learn from our antipodean mistakes.

Brian Moshe

The greatest external threat facing the UK and the other countries of the EU is the possibility of Turkey joining the EU.

Straw is an outright supporter of this lethal idea. It would be outrageous enough if he supported Turkey's hopes to join because he thought it would strengthen the secular forces in Turkey, but that isn't part of his view (as far as I can ascertain from what is attributed to him in the media).

On the contrary, he is on record as saying that if Turkey joins the EU it will prove that Muslims and non-Muslims can live happily together.

Never mind that Turkey for several centuries tried to conquer Europe and make it part of the Ottoman empire and had the Turks been successful the lights of Judeo-Christian civilisation would have been reduced to mere flickering little candles and dhimmitude become the plight of all non-Muslims, as actually happened wherever Turkey ruled in Europe.

The Turks were defeated outside Vienna in 1683 by a coalition of Christian armies, some from as far away as Sweden. The Turkish empire never recovered from that defeat and ultimately it led, in the 19th and early 20th centuries, to the removal of the Turks from nearly the whole of their European empire and the emergence of the reforming genius of Attaturk (who also abolished the Caliphate).

None of this would be entirely relevant were it not for the fact that the Turkish secular forces - the heirs of Attarturk - are now rapidly losing power to the emergent Islamic fundamentalists who have abandoned their old friend and ally Israel for the regime in Iran while remaining members of NATO and with one of the world's most powerful armed forces.

Straw cannot apparently see that tens of millions of Muslim Turks are not going to happily prove his religious and social theories correct. He is perhaps unaware that at this very moment Christians and some other groups are suffering persecution and sometimes death in Turkey.

The prime minister of Turkey has begun calling for a new Turkish empire to arise (surely re-establishing the Caliphate can't be far behind).

Straw may feel comfortable with Turkey in the EU yet if it came about the EU would have fairly open borders with Iran and Iraq....

When religious wars break out across Europe in the years ahead all Muslims with EU citizenship will be able to go to the aid of their fellow-Muslims anywhere in the EU.

Meanwhile Britain increasingly resembles the last days of Rome. Indeed, on the very day that Rome fell the Roman Senate fretfully debated what to do about a strike by foreign domestic servants. Then they were cut down by the barbarian hordes let in through the city gates by fifth column immigrants.

David Gray

I find it astonishing that Melanie thinks the Tories care less about this story...of what possible interest is it to them.The very idea that Dave Boy is at home just now thinking up how to ask this question at PMqs tommorow is farcical.Let me spell this out for her....THE POLITICIANS DONT GIVE A TOSS...THIS COUNTRY IS OF NO IMPORTANCE TO THEM OTHER THAN THE VOTES THEY CAN DRAG OUT OF US ONCE EVERY 5 YEARS....WE DONT COUNT,WE DONT MATTER....the tories...what a joke.

Martin Kennedy

Every unemployed person on the dole now, knows why there is no work, and why the government and opposition parties are brandishing, stupid climate change policies about, they have also created the environment whereby mass unemployment will cause the loss of peoples homes,and once again the banks will be the winners, the Labour party must have known from it's earlier years the effect of its long term policies for short term gains, these people are traitors to the british people.

gareth

Kevyn Bodman said it well.

George Steiner

Some of you talk about pitchforks. Nach! You wouldn't know how to use them even if you had them. And even if you had them you would not have the stomach to use them.

Merlyn

David Cameron cannot do anything because his hands are tied by the EU and whatever agreements have been made, secretly or otherwise with [ in my opinion] the oil producing nations in exchange for oil..This is not just a British issue. If Blair gets in, there will be very little point in having Cameron anyway. The British public can see this, that is why they are so desperately looking elsewhere.

Roy

If this is not mentioned by the Tories it will show how unashamedly uncritical they are of mass immigration. How uncaring and blasé for the people they intend to have power over, and what a sham they really are.

Frank P

Melanie

Thank God there is at least one journalist in Britain who has the ability to analyse the salient events of the past few days within the context of years of covert modified Marxism in this country; to point out the utter weakness of opposition parties to combat it; then have the courage to synthesise the whole story and print it on The Spectator blogs. Why you should be alone in this in your profession defeats me. Thank you Melanie. It is a seminal piece, probably the most important article to be published in the West this decade and very timely indeed. Where have all the young men gone ..... long time passing.

Now will you listen Mr Cameron?
Verity's assessment of your persona and your intentions is looking spot on. If the proverbial hits the air conditioning, some substantial opponents will take against you and will make Nick Griffin look like a grease boy in a knocking shop. It's not him you should worry about; it is real Englishmen and I suspect many other Britons who will take to the streets and prevent our country from being annihilated.
Stand as an independent somewhere Melanie; get in the game. You could be PM within five years. Cameron has blown it big-time. His silence on this issue is the biggest cop-out since Chamberlin. Disgusting cowardice. Christ! Why am I not in my mid twenties rather than my mid seventies?

The enemy is not just at the gates; there are no gates. The traitors have removed them and opened the doors to every inner sanctum of our once proud country. My pitchfork is primed. My uncle gave me it in 1940 when I was just six years old and told me "Just in case boy!" Even a that age I would have used it if necessary. Now look at the sorry state of 'resistance'.

Somebody put up a video of Churchill's "Fight them on the Beaches" speech. My spine still tingles when I hear it and I remember it the first time when the BBC really was the voice of Freedom.

Can you do that Pete Hoskins? Restore my faith in this Magazine; Melanie has gone some way to doing it! Prove she's not the maverick around here.

GeoffM

It hard to imagine a worse crime by any government against its people BUT this story is getting no traction.

I wonder why?

This is an open goal for the Tories but they just won't even try to take Labour to task.

I wonder why?

This story is massive - and yet only a couple of papers and no-one on TV as far has covered it.

I wonder why?

We hear that up to 22% of the British population would consider voting BNP - that's before THIS news even came out.

I wonder why?

britologywatch

When Melanie Philips writes that, "it was done to destroy for ever what it means to be culturally British and to put another ‘multicultural’ identity in its place", what she really means is that it was done to destroy the culture and identity of England, and to replace it with a new multicultural Britain. The policy fits full square within New Labour's well documented project to suppress England as a distinct nation (and, indeed, as the national heart of Britain), and to replace it with a de-anglicised New Britain. See The rise of the BNP is a consequence of New Labour's de-anglicisation of Britain.

dp damato

The only way Cameron can pull it off is if he is able to turn the white liberal middle class that was enamored with new labour from labour and to the Tories. He has to be even more liberal/left than New Labour. The white liberal middle class has to be firmly in his corner. If he cannot do this then he is toast. When the Daily Mail (populist right), Labour, UKIP, BNP and the left wing media start beating him up, the conservative base will not rise to his defense. The only way he can survive is to make sure the soft liberals (diversity groupies) support him. Yet these are not people who are comfortable with the conservative base. They will most likely abandon him when he twists in the wind about one year after he is elected. He will try to curry favor with conservatives but will be ignored. He seems to be a decent man and has some good policy ideas (excepting global warming of course), but the British people will not tolerate another Blair. If the metropolitan 'progressive' middle class remains in a state of delusion (pathological compulsion to always see themselves as tolerant) he may pull it off but I would bet against it.

just Louise

Dear me! I meant "fewer children than their parents did" in my post of last night.
David, I seem to recall that it was Malcolm Fraser - the "holier-than-thou" supposedly conservative ex-Prime Minister of Australia - who pioneered the very concept of multiculturalism that was subsequently exported to the UK; the same Malcolm Fraser who in his dotage - I'm sorry, "elder statesmanship" - is busy calling for western diplomats to engage with Hamas.
Sheik Hilaly is indeed an antisemite and all the rest of it, but the dear old Motherland had its own versions by the score. As a Melburnian I feel
Australia is still "The Lucky Country" - heed what is happening in Britain and Europe, adapt federal and state policies accordingly, and "she'll be right, mate".

TomTom

Several things fit into place now. Was Damien Green's arrest by the Secret Police related to the existence of this document or fears that he had something similarly explosive from The Home Office mole ?

Is Marxism the new pervading doctrine of the political class in place of Christianity in Victorian England ? Is it simply that there is a political caste which looks down on the voting public and views them simply as sheep to be herded into the appropriate voting pen ?

Could it be that a creeping coup d'etat has been taking place for the past 45 years to entrench political power rather as Fascism interwar was a reaction to the destruction of monarchy and empire in European nations after the First World War ?

Is there a peaceful way of bring politicians to heel or will the system succumb to the eruption of violence and explosive frustration ?

just Louise

Dear me! In my last post I meant "fewer children than their parents did", of course.
David Elder, so long as Australia heeds the mistakes of Britain and Europe, and adapts policy accordingly, "she'll be right, mate".
I seem to recall that it was Australian ex-Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser who engineered the "multiculturalism" subsequently copied by the rest of the western world. This is the same Malcolm Fraser ( a supposed conservative) who in his dotage is busily calling on western governments to engage with Hamas.

logdon

Lungfish
October 27th, 2009 5:18pm

Turkey: An Ally No More

by Daniel Pipes
Jerusalem Post
October 28, 2009

http://www.danielpipes.org/7708/turkey-an-ally-no-more
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The foreign ministers of Turkey and Syria met in Aleppo in October 2009.
"There is no doubt he is our friend," Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, says of Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, even as he accuses Israel's foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman of threatening to use nuclear weapons against Gaza. These outrageous assertions point to the profound change of orientation by Turkey's government, for six decades the West's closest Muslim ally, since Erdoğan's AK party came to power in 2002.

Three events this past month reveal the extent of that change. The first came on October 11 with the news that the Turkish military – a long-time bastion of secularism and advocate of cooperation with Israel – abruptly asked Israeli forces not to participate in the annual "Anatolian Eagle" air force exercise.

Erdoğan cited "diplomatic sensitivities" for the cancelation and Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu spoke of "sensitivity on Gaza, East Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa mosque." The Turks specifically rejected Israeli planes that may have attacked Hamas (an Islamist terrorist organization) during last winter's Gaza Strip operation. While Damascus applauded the disinvitation, it prompted the U.S. and Italian governments to withdraw their forces from Anatolian Eagle, which in turn meant canceling the international exercise.

As for the Israelis, this "sudden and unexpected" shift shook to the core their military alignment with Turkey, in place since 1996. Former air force chief Eytan Ben-Eliyahu, for example, called the cancelation "a seriously worrying development." Jerusalem immediately responded by reviewing Israel's practice of supplying Turkey with advanced weapons, such as the recent $140 million sale to the Turkish Air Force of targeting pods. The idea also arose to stop helping the Turks defeat the Armenian genocide resolutions that regularly appear before the U.S. Congress.

Ministers of the Turkish and Syrian governments met at the border town of �nc�pınar and symbolically lifted a bar dividing their two countries on October 13.
Barry Rubin of the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya not only argues that "The Israel-Turkey alliance is over" but concludes that Turkey's armed forces no longer guard the secular republic and can no longer intervene when the government becomes too Islamist.

The second event took place two days later, on October 13, when Syria's Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem announced that Turkish and Syrian forces had just "carried out maneuvers near Ankara." Moallem rightly called this an important development "because it refutes reports of poor relations between the military and political institutions in Turkey over strategic relations with Syria." Translation: Turkey's armed forces lost out to its politicians.

Thirdly, ten Turkish ministers, led by Davutoğlu, joined their Syrian counterparts on October 13 for talks under the auspices of the just-established "Turkey-Syria High Level Strategic Cooperation Council." The ministers announced having signed almost 40 agreements to be implemented within 10 days; that "a more comprehensive, a bigger" joint land military exercise would be held than the first one in April; and that the two countries' leaders would sign a strategic agreement in November.

The cover of Ahmet Davutoğlu's book, "Strategic Depth: Turkey's International Position."
The council's concluding joint statement announced the formation of "a long-term strategic partnership" between the two sides "to bolster and expand their cooperation in a wide spectrum of issues of mutual benefit and interest and strengthen the cultural bonds and solidarity among their peoples." The council's spirit, Davutoğlu explained, "is common destiny, history and future; we will build the future together," while Moallem called the get-together a "festival to celebrate" the two peoples.

Bilateral relations have indeed been dramatically reversed from a decade earlier, when Ankara came perilously close to war with Syria. But improved ties with Damascus are only one part of a much larger effort by Ankara to enhance relations with regional and Muslim states, a strategy enunciated by Davutoğlu in his influential 2000 book, Stratejik derinlik: T�rkiye'nin uluslararası konumu ("Strategic Depth: Turkey's International Position").

In brief, Davutoğlu envisions reduced conflict with neighbors and Turkey emerging as a regional power, a sort-of modernized Ottoman Empire. Implicit in this strategy is a distancing of Turkey from the West in general and Israel in particular. Although not presented in Islamist terms, "strategic depth" closely fits the AK party's Islamist world view.

As Barry Rubin notes, "the Turkish government is closer politically to Iran and Syria than to the United States and Israel." Caroline Glick, a Jerusalem Post columnist, goes further: Ankara already "left the Western alliance and became a full member of the Iranian axis." But official circles in the West seem nearly oblivious to this momentous change in Turkey's allegiance or its implications.

The cost of their error will soon become evident.

Mr. Pipes is director of the Middle East Forum and Taube distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University.

Lungfish

Logdon- It would be sheer suicidal lunacy to admit Turkey into the EU, I'm therefore expecting it to happen sometime soon.

Naomi Muse

Duplicity pervades through the political barrel like one slightly bruised apple ruins the whole.

TomToms questions need to be asked or answered by the opposition for all the UK to judge for themselves.

Conspiracy or incompetence? - either is believable.

logdon

News just in. BNP membership increased by 22,000 since last week.

They are painted as the Nazi's but which actually is worse?

Neather's revelation of this appalling experiment in social engineering smack's to me of Hitler's genetic and national shape shifting policies by other means.

This deliberate attempt to, at the very least weaken, or at the very worst deliberately destroy a hereditary population is nothing less than ethnic cleansing.

If this smacks of hyperbole revisit Neather's very own words.

Mark Steyn’s book, America Alone describes an apocalyptic scenario where the indigenous citizens of Europe are, within twenty years outbred by rapacious and expansive Muslim immigrants. Is that the plan? A Euromed Islamist continent?

According to Bat Yeor who has written extensively on the subject, yes. The fact she lives in a secret location under a nom de plume says it all. We are not meant to know these things.

Straw, on last weeks QT admitted that his constituency of Blackburn now has a thirty percent Muslim population. Leicester, more than half of it’s residents Muslim. Tower Hamlets Council, as revealed in recent Private Eye’s is heavily swayed by the East London Mosque, in turn funded by Saudi money. In essence, a governing body in our own Capital City dictated to by a repressive Middle Eastern Kingdom.

These are to quote Rumsfeld, the known knowns. How about the other two in his trio? The known unknowns and the unknown unknowns? The mind reels.

In other words what else have these devious dictators got hidden under their malicious cloaks of secrecy?

We are being sold out to Islam by a bunch of lying Marxists intent on hollowing out our Western society to be replaced by a theocratic caliphate with it’s centre in Mecca.

That’s the upshot and simple truth of the matter.

Melanie is right. This must be resisted at all costs. We cannot leave it to the likes of Griffin but who will actually do anything, much less even address the mallaise?

macumazan

It is natural when you realize too late that you have been defeated to want to do something about it, but it's all too late. Great Britain is in the position of Russia in 1918 or Germany in 1946, when all that could be done was to adapt to the new realities. The new population cannot be got rid of, has a vast demographic advantage and is not going to abandon its predominant and fanatically held Muslim culture. So what is to be done? Nothing CAN be done. The nation has been comprehensively defeated by stealth, when socialist ideologues took control of government and then deliberately subverted the nation. Hate this fact as much as you like, but the subversion has already occurred. It is all too late. Electoral stupidity is to blame and now the British people deserve all that will fall upon it. Rue the stupidity at leisure, but as to its unavoidable consequences, GET USED TO IT! The nation is gone and the horror is only starting to dawn. The sun will rise to the same thermal degree as Mecca at high noon in summer.

Paul

Various surveys have shown that most immigrants vote Liebour overwhelmingly. Remember the first thing Liebour did was to revoke the primary purpose rule. Chris Mullin the MP for Sunderland said it all when he admitted at least 20 Liebour seats depended on the asian vote. So the admissions from the Neather world should come as no surprise to any of us. It proves to me that our politics are just as corrupt as anywhere else in the world. Cameron? He's just another politically correct windbag. We need a Churchill or Thatcher not Cameron. There's no one to vote for so no wonder the BNP are on the ascendent.

mostly harmless

Wilhelm
October 27th, 2009 5:54pm
'The second most popular boys name in England is,

drum roll please, Mohammad.'

That's because many muslim families prefix their son's names with muhammad.

But you probably already new that didn't you Willhelm.

The party is well and truly over.

Iceman

David Grey @ 10.51

Well done David, you got it in one short paragraph.

What strikes most is the disconnect between the blogs (and that includes the Guardian run blogs in the ‘Debate’ section) and the behaviour of the politicians of any colour. A huge, a monstrous gap, and not only on Neather, but on practically everything else.

Alex

Now, now,Lungfish, calling a former PM a turkey is not respectfull.

logdon

Alex
October 28th, 2009 9:17am

Turncoat more appropriate?

Jon_Boy

It is strange that there is deafening silence on this issue from many media outlets, especially from the likes of the Guardian and BBC.

The only place I have even seen a mention of it is in the Mail.

It just goes to show that there is no such organisation in this country that just simply reports the news. There are definite political agendas with all our news outlets. The only way to possibly work out the real news is to have an understanding of the political bias of the media classes.

Imagine if this former speach writer had mentioned that he was in a meeting where it was confirmed we went to war in Iraq over oil. I guess the BBC and the Guardian wouldn't be quite on it then would they?

Romo

Stand in the arrivals hall of Terminal 3 Heathrow at 6pm on a Saturday night. You have to ask yourself where you are. It's quite extraordinary.

logdon

Social engineering on steroids: British immigration policies an attempt "to make the UK truly multicultural'"
Oct 27, 2009 04:14 pm | Marisol

Therein lies a fundamental dogma of the modern political discourse: Multiculturalism is good for its own sake. All cultural practices are equally valid, and will not come into conflict with one another if everybody just tries really, really hard to get along. In addition, it is always Western civilization that...
read more....

www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/social-engineering-gone-horribly-wrong-british-immigration-policies-an-attempt-to-make-the-uk-truly.html

For a bit of robustness try this. Those American patriots pull no punches, mahoundians anyone?

And read the way they demolish Abdullah with his preposterous claim of 'elite workers'.

Ruth

While we are all being encouraged to have less children in order to alleviate the global warming myth, the muslims carry on having big familes. If large familes in our culture weren't frowned upon, there there would be no need for so much immigration.

Liz SA

Yasher Koach, Melanie! I hope, yet sadly doubt, that Dave Cameron gives this matter the urgent attention it requires. Liebore's immigration manoeuvrings are not dissimilar to those of the current ANC government who have all but abandoned South Africa's border posts with Mozambique and Zimbabwe and literally flooded the country with illiterate, homeless people who are unable to find work here. Many of these people have been given SA citizenship - which in turn gives them the right to vote. Clue?? In this matter, it seems, the ANC and Liebore have a common goal - that of 'internationalism' and the understanding that generally speaking, the huddled masses will always be their natural constituents. Here in South Africa, we have witnessed sporadic outbreaks of what's euphemistically termed by the government "xenophobic attacks" - the brutality of which has shocked a population generally desensitised to acts of violence. I wonder what's in store for the white Englishman when one day soon, he wakes up and finds himself part of the minority ethnic group. However hard one may try to bury one's head - it's a problem that will not just go away on its own, and until the Tories grasp this nettle, the nasty Mr Thick Griffin and his thugs will more and more become a force to be reckoned with.

logdon

'Islam will conquer the UK.'

Any ambiguity there for the appeasers on these pages?

And death threats now unpunished? Is this the penultimate insult to the electorate?

The final being total capitulation. Not far to go, judging by this travesty.

The UK Allows Wilders To Speak

Britain (finally) defended free speech, yet the reaction to Wilders �” and a Muslim mob's death threats �” showed how much trouble the UK has gotten itself into.
October 28, 2009 - by Aaron Elias

On October 16, Dutch MP Geert Wilders �” well-known for his unadulterated opinions on Islamic ideology �” was granted permission to speak in the UK at a press conference .......

....was to take place on College Green opposite the Houses of Parliament, but it was hastily moved inside a nearby building when a crowd of Muslim protesters emerged. I was not surprised to see them bearing signs with sentiments such as �Freedom go to Hell� and �Islam is Superior.�

�He [Wilders] knows that the Islamic punishment [for insulting Mohammed] is capital punishment,� one Muslim protestor explained. �He would do well to take lessons from Theodore Van Gogh and others who faced the punishment.........

�If this were an Islamic state today, his [Wilders�] head would be on a stake,� another Muslim protester explained......

�Islam will conquer the UK. It will conquer Holland. It will conquer the world,� he declared, and had to pause to allow the mob surrounding him to cry chants of �Takbir!� and �Allahu Akbar!� before continuing. �We will see Israel destroyed. We will see the European crusaders destroyed, and we will see Islam dominate.�

pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-uk-allows-wilders-to-speak/

workie ticket

You have a matter like this of crucial importance and the BBC on its risible 'Have Your Say' website considers the following as the top issues of the day;

Is the mortgage claims ban enough?

MPs will be banned from claiming the cost of mortgages on second homes, sources tell the BBC. What is your reaction?

How important are historical sites?

How is the Royal Mail strike affecting you?

What is now important is to write or speak to you local MP regardless of their party and make clear this is something that such not be ignored or derided as per usual. It needs to be kept alive until the next election and Cameron needs to understand that he cant - like he is attempting to do with europe - evade this.

Cheeta Watch

Macumazan (see above) hit the nail on the head - it is unfortunately too late. Current and projected ethnic demographics - whether considered good or bad - are largely irreversible.

If a future authority wished to change the position, they could not. There might be a removal drive for illegals, perhaps a slight stemming of newcomers, but no more than that. The cadre of foreign settlers - from upright citizens all the way through to those wishing death to the West - will on present figures simply out-breed the indigenous in due course. Indeed, we are in the rare and very invidious position of actually being able to predict very roughly the decade where the present demographic majority will become the minority, and - with a little less accuracy - when it fades completely as a relevant national group.

This may be welcome to some, arguing that with the state of the country's moral and social fibre, no less is deserved. But the government should at least have the courtesy - perhaps as a departing gesture - to acknowledge their efforts to re-tune the population and provide a coherent and spin-free explanation of why they chose, with no mandate, to act in this way.

I fear, however, that all we would hear would be something like "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

Lungfish

No point writing to my MP Workie Ticket- his name is Quentin Davies and he's a traitorous turncoat who stood for election as a Conservative then joined Labour as a defence minister. In this constituency we are represented by an MP who has changed sides to a party who's leader is un-elected as PM.

Neil Craig

Neather & the gobernment's denials are what was known in the Nixon era as a "non-denial denial" - smoke & mirrors intended to conceal the fact that nothing factual is denied. Melanie is quite right that it is disturbing that the Conservatives, given major evidence just before an election, that their opponents have not merely betrayed the country but have particularly lied to & betrayed their core voters, have done nothing to run with it.

This & the lynching are making the BNP look significantly more civilised & honest than the main parties. That is not meant to be high praise & is less raise than I would give UKIP but it is true.

just Louise

Romo, for the same effect you could try standing in the concourse of Birmingham New Street Station any day of the week. As you say, you have to ask yourself where you are, and it's quite extraordinary.
Not many people, by the way, are aware that there's a Saudi-funded fundamentalist college in rural West Wales.
I don't believe the official statistics for one moment; there's serious - extremely serious - undercounting going on.

paulg

This government have treated the English people with utter contempt to dismiss their culture as worthless and worthy of dilution until it becomes unrecognisable, is an act of cultural genocide.

They have lied and dissembled in order to mould the nation into an ideological image that has been proven wrong and been on the wrong side of history for as long as it has existed.

They have outlawed free speech and dispensed with legal protections that the English have stood behind for nearly a millennium.

A free people have been driven remorselessly to serfdom: no rights, no say, no democracy and, all the while they have feasted in a trough of public money.

Many of us have implored Mr Cameron to take the fight to these wicked deceivers and, up to now he has not. We ask once again to take up the historic mantle of his party and speak for us

The nation needs leadership and he must show it now, or he will be brushed aside and others will take the fight to them

David Holmes

I am so glad that you are keeping the spotlight on this Melanie.
It is an absolute disgrace, and it is totally unacceptable that this transformation of society has been done without asking the permission of the British people.
I am a life long Labour voter, (or was) i will never vote for them again after reading this. It is unforgivable what they have done, they have compromised the quality of life for future generations with this negligent policy. It is our children that will suffer the real consequences, as social values change, and the squeeze on resources becomes more acute. I can never forgive the Labour Party for this, (although i won't be voting BNP either - i'm not one for throwing the baby out with the bath water!).
Also; where is the BBC, ITV and Sky though, they should be shouting from the rooftops about this scandal!

john stuart king

If one should take the trouble to Google 10 points of the Frankfurt school, all will be explained and the world will realise that this is not "a wild conspiracy theory" It is a fact.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

I been many countries in the world saw many different people from many different countries, but never seen like some of the immigrants in this country, they are lazy, rude, demanding, extremely religious and ignorant not the right kind of multiculturalism, the conservatives want to fellow the footsteps of the labour because they want to get votes from this kind of immigrants, conservatives used to be my cup of tea before but now I am thinking changing my cup of tea to something else, Melanie is right London is over crowded, the government think we are 8 million people I have a feeling we are about 15 million, if you go for a walk places used to be quiet and you only saw homeless cats but nothing else are crowded and this change is happening so fast, it looks like the rich will leave to immigrate somewhere else and the poor who don't have any other choice will end up voting for the BNP

Peter from Maidstone

Melanie, thanks for this. Though it is not enough, is it. Can you explain why the rest of the staff at the Spectator are silent? What can we do? How do we turn the tide?

daniel maris

Jack Straw's attempts now to close the door opened by Neather are so self-serving and disingenuous that they can only remind us what a complete failure Straw was in negotiating with the Iranians - who used the time bought to build their nuclear weapons capability. The man is a walking disaster.

If the Tories had any spherical appendages the first thing they should do is launch a public inquiry into the whole shambles of immigration policy over the last 20 years under someone like Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch UK, the only person one can trust on this issue, and thus expose the whole sorry tale of how the gates were flung open.

We'll be living with the consequences for many years to come.

May I add, since one always has to I am not a racist, and recognise large numbers of migrants are talented and hard working and do jobs our citizens won't do at the salary offered. There are many genuine democrats among them - people for instance who have fled the Mugabe regime.

But equally there are huge numbers who feel no really love for this country and its democratic institutions and who are not prepared to compromise on their own culture.

Florence of Arabia

David Cameron's an appeaser who wants to get his seat on the EUSSR gravy train. He is not going to upset the multiculti establishment. He's a loser.

It is not too late. A Tory Government could begin by sluicing out all the illegals and "asylum seekers". Put them on boats and drop them off in some Muslim country. It doesn't matter which one (Saudi Arabia's big) because they're all part of Dar-es-Salaam (the House of Islam) and they are obliged to take them.

This would be a massive programme but it is definitely achievable with the right resources. It might take a couple of years, but so what?

Meanwhile, devise an attractive programme of repatriation applying to those who are here legally or were born here. France already does this. In effect, it pays them to go away, which is fine. It's not forced. It's a business deal.

By the way, illegals and "asylum seekers" would be required to give a sample of their DNA and a retinal photo. They should also be microchipped so they can't slip back in.

The same should apply to those who accept a sum of money to leave our shores in a permanent sense.

Incidentally, the paying of welfare to polygamous wives (OKayed by Gordon Brown, "as long as the marriage was legal in the country where it took place", must also be stopped and those polygamous wives deported somewhere. Islamic polygamy is for the sole purpose of breeding warriors for Allah.)

Steven

It's not a UK problem, it's all over Europe. I can't understand why Chris Caldwell isn't a # 1 bestseller.

Simon

Labour have a policy of deliberate ethnic cleansing.

And the Tories don't care.

IMarcher

This is genocide, as defined by the United Nations convention on genocide to which the UK is a signatory. The UK is thus pledged to prevent and punish genocide, whoever it is committed by. The Labour government are guilty. If they will not start proceedings against themselves, then the populace should arrest them and hold them until they are brough to trial. But not only the Labour Party - the Conservative Party has done nothing to stop it and neither has the Queen. All that is needed is someone to organise it.

Edward Sutherland.

Melanie,
Thank you so much keeping the Neather revelations in the public eye. I'm utterly mystified as to why you are receiving so little support from other journalists.

Jez

Peter from Maidstone October 28th, 2009 6:41pm:

"Melanie, thanks for this. Though it is not enough, is it. Can you explain why the rest of the staff at the Spectator are silent? What can we do? How do we turn the tide?"

This is just my opinion;

Because this is a Tory publication the editor and his staff won't want to rock the boat (that's actually sinking for the rest of us btw).

Fraser touched on this / started to analize differently this subject matter due to the massive feedback he recieved on the first, then second major piece of writing submitted regarding the swing to the Right / BNP.

When there were no answers (from any section of the Tories, policy-wise) that came close to even recognising why people have become so desperate, he dropped it.

The Neather revelation was touched on- briefly, but this has / is now officially dropped as an item of concern by the mainstream press.

The destabilisation of Great Britain and the snuffing out of a culture or cultures that have lived side by side for centuries, through an act of premeditated social engineering is not of any concern to these people.

It's really a sort of 'DA notice' issued between between Globalist Multiculturalist media / political people who can actually smell the coffee of a borderless, identity free trade zone stretching from Cork to the Caspian Sea.

The big thing here is that they could have it all.

Just let us keep our Cultures and Identities.

But that's what greed and the cold pursuit of personal gain does.

It corrupts absolutely.

workie ticket

Jez
October 28th, 2009 10:53pm
Peter from Maidstone October 28th,
"Melanie, thanks for this. Though it is not enough, is it. Can you explain why the rest of the staff at the Spectator are silent? What can we do? How do we turn the tide?"

This is just my opinion;

Because this is a Tory publication the editor and his staff won't want to rock the boat (that's actually sinking for the rest of us btw)....etc etc.

Jez...I agree and while I began to read the Spectator about 5 year ago because it seemed to tackle issues like this robustly, in comparison to all others, it has shown us the very clear limits of this;

It deplores Islamic terrorism but was too scared to reproduce the infamous cartoons (hilariously on the grounds of 'taste'). Liddle can raise the issue of school holidays for Guru Nanak in East London but I can't get a comment uploaded which describes my personal experience of religious education practice in East London...and now Neather.

Each pusillanimous response and evasion highlights ever more the parlous state of our political corpus (like). Where to go? Who to vote for? Vote at all?

How lucky the political establishement still has a critical mass of population that is either too apathetic or wedded to the rule of law to respond in the appropriate manner.

Roger Dewhurst

The root of the problem is that there are over 60 million confined in a very small area. It seems that there are in power politicians who are happy to see that number swell to 70 million. Then I suppose there will be another generation of them happy to see it swell to 80 million. There is no forseeable end to it. There is no policy to end it. The only policy extant is that of bringing in more and more in the hope that they will pay for the pensions of the elderly. It is a demographic Ponzi Scheme, nothing more and nothing less. The character of Britain which one might claim had evolved over almost 1000 years without any significant alien influence has been largely destroyed since the end of WW2. That destruction continues apace. To admit immigrants who intend to be assimilated and become part of that British society that developed over that 1000 years is one thing, to admit groups whose beliefs and culture are utterly alien and who have no intent to be assimilated, indeed whose beliefs utterly preclude that assimilation is stupidity of the highest order. Therein lie problems enough, but on top of all that Britain has lost almost all its heavy industry and much of the rest. The economy now appears to be founded in commercial paper shuffling in London, ever increasing house prices and taking in the next door neighbour's washing. Increasing pressure is put on limited water resources and the disposal of waste. More and more of the land is covered in concrete and less and less food is being produced. Food is imported from around the world and consumer products are imported from China and such places rather than being made in Britain. The ever increasing concentration of people generated friction between them more so because of the cultural differences for which there has been no need for accomodation for a 1000 years. Brown and the idiots around him are waving the global warming shroud. I do not know whether he believes it or merely sees this as another excuse for more legislation and more suppression of the population. It is rather more likely that the planet will enter a period of cooling resembling the Little Ice Age. The problems that such cooling will usher in are beyond belief. There will not be the power and fuel to keep people warm. There will not be the food to feed them. The transport system will collapse in the icy winters. As the effects of cooling become increasingly apparent the friction between the haves and the have nots will increase. On whom will the have nots turn first? On those that they identify as not of us. The stage is being set for bloodshed. This cannot continue. There will be an explosion and the longer that explosion is delayed the worse it will be.

Peter

Further to the comment from George Steiner about the British not having the 'stones' to actually 'do anything' about the duplicity of the ruling elite class.

The British people have been drugged with consumerism and materialism to the point that they are incapable of imagining themselves carrying out a politically revolutionary act. Democracies don't go to the wall in a spasm of fire and death. Democracies morph into dictatorships with a self satisfied yawn and an expectation that 'someone else' will step up and do what needs to be done.

Most British think that they have 'too much to lose' to really get angry and take back their country from the corrupt and self serving political elite, of any party. Only by actually admitting that one could end up in jail, and being broken financially and socially, and accept the fact in the hope of actually changing the state, can one escape from the suffocating torpor of middle class complaining and inaction.

Insanity is defined as repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting a different outcome. Yet that is exactly what has happened in Britain and elsewhere for the past 35 years. Do Something Britain! Undermine and 'out' corrupt self serving Tory politicians and make them un-selectable. Infiltrate organizations and 'out-Alinski' the left. Use whatever tactics work as there is no 'Queensberry Rules' in bare knuckle politics. And if that doesn't work out then at least consider physical opposition to the corruption of the current nation state of the 21st. Century.

People and indeed nation states get the futures they deserve. If you won't stand up and fight for what you believe and expect and accept the chance of being crushed by the state, then 'man up' and accept your fate.

Eventually you will get to the same place. In one scenario you just might win but in the second scenario your fate is truly already written.

So my challenge to the British is are you going to go with a bang or a whimper?

If you have the 'stones', then stand up and risk it all. If not then stop the self indulgent moaning.

Verity

Anthony Blair (I will not refer to him familiarly) seized on Dunblane, a situation where someone who was clearly mentally unfit had been accorded a gun license (I wonder why ....) and who murdered little children in their classrooms.

Those little souls are dead and their parents will grieve for the rest of their lives, and TonyBoy's going on to be head of Europp because he was bold enough to ban guns in Britain.

Making civil insurrection impossible.

This structure of insane fascist control built on the backs of murdered infants was countenanced by the Left.

Salvatore

Yes, the Conservatives should have ensured this matter was right at the forefront of the news all week.
Their failure to be enraged and capitalize on the issue, along with an absence of firm taxation commitments, and details of exactly what they would do if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified, makes them look weak,or at least too indecisive.
Their attitude probably explains why they are not further ahead in the opinion polls.
Their anxiety not to cause alarm is in danger of eroding the leadership credentials the country will look for when the election arrives

david

We nolonger have a political-class we have a criminal-class of left-wing collaborationist and traitors.

Merlyn

Meanwhile, back at the Tory Ranch, the Boris Johnson camp are sucking up to extremists.
/www.express.co.uk/posts/view/136063/Boris-s-terror-link

Mel, is their any party we can trust on this issue?

Marcus

Florence of Arabia: on your delightful repatriation scheme, how about Madagascar? Oh, wait a moment, wasn't that suggested by someone else in another country, some time ago? And when that didn't work out?
As for the attempts here to cite genocide, 'grotesque' or 'deranged' don't even begin to describe them.
We also have racist blanket descriptions of British Muslims, and some crazed fantasies about an armed insurrection overturning a democratically elected government. Mass hysteria!

Celina

What WE [the speccie readers etc.] are not getting is that all 3 political parties here in the UK AND the political parties across EU, plus the US, know something, have agreed something and are doing something they are not telling us sheep about.

Merlyn

It seems tha Daily Express is on our side, but does not allow comments on it's articles,
It looks like the Queen is donating her property to a worthy cause.
www.express.co.uk/posts/view/136843/Buckingham-Mosque-what-fanatics-want-to-call-the-Palace#at

just Louise

Roger Dewhurst, your excellent analysis of the situation should be required reading for every MP.

Stephen Tyler

Whether you like it or not, Melanie, your logic leads to only one conclusion: Vote BNP!

Andrew

It's been a long time since I commented on here.

At that time I offered my support for the BNP.

I was shouted down as "racist, nazi, jew hater etc..etc...

But who now, has the ONLY immigration policy worthy of support? That's right........the BNP.

Who now, has the ONLY anti Islam policies of any note?......that's right, the BNP.

Perhaps my enemies enemy wants to be my friend now.

What took you?

Cicero

Why would anyone think the conservative party will say anything about this?

1. Immigration has been a cross party issue by tacit agreement since the 60s, like Northern Ireland.

2. The Tories can see that the bnp gets its votes votes from ex-labour supporters- not theirs.

3. Its the tories 'turn' in number ten by the mere fact that Labour have been there so long and are very unpopular as all long term governments are. They have done enough.

3. They can be accused of irresponsibility if they mention it or maybe even get charged with something.

As to the feeling of helplessness I seem to remember I've been here before when the Thatcher govt. cut all sense of collective group security and sense of optimism (traditional employment, union power) from large swathes of the traditional working class, particulary in the north. It was a really depressing feeling while so many other people (the southern middle classes and the loadsamoney types) were loving it. Phychically the feeling now if you favour maintaining the national make up and restricting immigration is of a similar order. Lots of people are now feeling this psychological distress if these blog comments are anything to go by. Well, something you hold dear is being interfered with deliberately. To quote Bobby Zimmerman, 'How does it feel? To be without a home?'
At least in the 1980s there was a cultural outet for the helplessness and frustration as the bleeding hearts and artists made their stand. Now I don't think we'll see many plays on the telly with characters wandering around glassy eyed accosting people saying, 'Giz a country?' What really sucks is if you have experienced both these periods from the wrong end of the stick. Oh, you've got to laugh.

Bill Corr

One contributor, Florence, is in grave error.

Saudi Arabia, from which I write, is cosidered the Dar Al Islam alright but the country vigorously and briskly deports illegal immigrants as well as Hajj and Umra overstayers.

There is no appeal mechanism or howling chorus of human rights do-gooders.

The online edition of 'Arab News' and 'Saudi Gazette' often feautures round-ups and mass deportations of illegals, mainly Yemenis and Sudanese.

Bill Corr

In Britain, Canada, Sweden and Australia the political class[es] are dissatisfied with the people and would like to see a far more multi-ethnic, vibrant and enriched nation:

http://www.downundernewslinks.com/article/The_Silent_Destruction_of_Australia.html

Interesting?

steve

disgraceful, the failure of radio/tv to make the most capital of this stinks worse than mohommeds armpit, in fact its silence, will only lead to one thing, more capital for mr griffin & co, it is a very big stick with which to flail mr straw, who i remember shifting uneasily on Q Time, on the immigration issue.
a disgrace

Florence of Arabia

Marcus
October 29th, 2009 7:23am"

Oh, how I love the acrid tang of stupidity on a bracing autumnal morning!

"Florence of Arabia: on your delightful repatriation scheme, how about Madagascar?" Don't get your historical reference, old bean, and I'm not going to look it up because any Islamic country - known as Dar-es-Salaam - is obliged to take them. So I would recommend saving money by sending them somewhere moderately close. Algeria, maybe. One of those hellholes over there.

"As for the attempts here to cite genocide, 'grotesque' or 'deranged' don't even begin to describe them." Don't get your reference and am not going to bother to look it up.

"We also have racist blanket descriptions of British Muslims" ... Comprehensive school boy are you? Inner city or something? Write on the blackboard 100 times: ISLAM IS A RELIGION; NOT A RACE. See, a race is genetic, a religion is a belief system freely entered into. (I except Jews whose religion is their race; but they are the only ones.)

"and some crazed fantasies about an armed insurrection overturning a democratically elected government."

I don't believe anyone here would be stupid enough to suggest an armed insurrection as the British people are only too aware the Anthony Blair engineered the disarming of the entire British public specifically to guard against such an event. What I suggested was that HM send the Army to clear out Parliament and that she should constitute a temporary government by inviting each member of our Commonwealth to send one representative to form a temporary cabinet while this dog's breakfast of governance is sorted out. (As I admire the robustness of the Aussies and the Indians, I suggested that one of them be appointed temporary PM.) I cannot imagine being stupid enough to call for an armed citizens' insurrection in a country where the citizens have been robbed of their self-defence.

Now go away and think about what I have written.

john stuart king

Here's a radical thought.
The only way to save our country is with an alliance.
It seems so obvious to me.
I've noted a majority of post in favour of the BNP and UKIP combined.
It's so natural. the aim of both parties is to save our country.
Put egos aside and blend.
What a chance. The Marxists have now brought their guns to bear on UKIP. This is what terrifies them.

just Louise

How strange it is that "progressive" types like Blair, Straw, Harriet Harpy, and "Call Me Dave" himself are apparently happy for their daughters and granddaughters to have the burkha in their future.
All with the connivance of the "progressive" media, of course.
Strange. Very strange indeed.

Marcus

Dear Florence,

Your response is so bizarre that I'm tempted to think it is a spoof. Interesting that you think 'comprehensive boy'(and inner city')both worthy of a sneer - also inaccurate in both cases, as it happens. Both show you in rather a bad light.
Interesting that you also seem to think it's acceptable to hate Muslims as a group by force of their religious belief.
Madagascar - one of the early schemes explored by Nazis as a possible destination for the forced repatriation of German Jews.
Your suggestion about parliament in the latter part of your post is surely meant as joke? it sounds like the plot of an off-the-wall comic novel set in Ruritania. The stuff about Blair disarming the British people is of course pure, barking paranoia.

just Louise

John Stuart K, the trouble with that solution is that few respectable UKIP types will want to be associated with the BNP and its repulsive Blut und Ehre ethos.
A better solution would be for all "decent" BNP types (I suspect that the BNP's Trafalgar Club consists largely of such) to leave the white supremacist party to its sordid devices and make common cause with all of us, irrespective of previous voting habits, ethnic background, religion, or colour, who want a non-Islamic future for our children and a halt to ecological catastrophe. To me, the best way of doing this would be to invade the Coinservative Party lock stock and barrel for the sake of expediency, taking out membership, and forcing a grass roots coup on "Call Me Dave" and strengthening the resolve of those tough-minded Tory activists who haven't yet defected to UKIP. UKIP must also join the invasion, routing the lily-livered once and for all. For only the Conservative Party has a realistic chance of defeating NuLabour at the polls. It pains me to say it, but I fear a vote for UKIP will be a wasted vote that might just let the venal and self-serving NuLabour traitors win again!

phil

Florence of Arabia

October 29th, 2009 2:24pm

your supercilious quote ---

""Oh, how I love the acrid tang of stupidity on a bracing autumnal morning!""

Well I am sure you smelt it --,your suggestions on this thread might as well have come with a few sieg heils and a portrait of adolph eichman together with a condemnation of Enoch for being too soft .Many of us are unhappy with the immigration policies of successive governments but also retain our humanity,This nation has earned the right with much blood and loss of life to have a better picture presented of it than your hateful remarks portray - so just as you suggest to Marcus -"Now go away and think about what I have written "

Brian Moshe

Excellent post from logdon (plus Daniel Pipes) on Turkey and Roger Dewhurst's incisive post on the situation faced by Britain. Thank you both.

Verity, you are quite right in saying that Blair introduced tougher gun controls following the hideous Dunblane massacre. However, I go back far enough to remember a time when guns were almost unknown in the hands of ordinary British people.

Landowners, farmers and rifle shooters on licensed ranges were the main categories of gun users. I was in the Air Cadets and as a 14 year-old could strip, clean, oil and re-assemble a Lee-Enfield rifle. Additionally, once a week we did target practise for an hour.

Looking back on it after more than 50 years I can only marvel at the lack of genuine security that these guns and ammunition were kept in. Any competent burglar could probably have broken into the drill hall and stolen the lot, but it didn't happen.

Until hanging for murder was discontinued in 1966 it was the law of England and Wales that if a person was with someone else for criminal activity and the other person or persons used a gun to kill anyone you were liable to be found guilty of murder and hanged even if you swore you did not know an accomplice was carrying a gun.

The reason I mention this is because it had a wonderfully restraining influence on guns being casually used by criminals.

The idea that we, the British people, have been robbed of our guns by Blair is not quite as simple as that. We, the silent majority, never had guns.

I am writing this from the USA and a few feet from a gun. I understand and fully support the right of Americans to bear arms (some are debarred for sensible reasons like convicted felons and the mentally ill).

In about 1988 there was a horrifying massacre in Hungerford in Berkshire, England. Mrs Thatcher was Prime Minister and as I recall it there was a mass-demand for tighter gun control which Mrs Thatcher was in agreement with (I don't think Blair was even an MP then).

Someone like Frank P I am sure can tell us, but I was under the impression that tighter gun controls were brought in not long after Hungerford. The Dunblane killer was in Scotland and Scotland may have had different gun laws.

Almost anyone in Britain who has the money and wants a gun can get one if they want one badly enough. It might well be safer, and I certainly wish it, if every British adult had the right to carry a licensed gun within the same limits of US laws (which vary by state).

The worst of all worlds is that many criminals in Britain now carry and nonchalantly use guns. A worst case scenario would be that most or all our cultural and religious enemies in Britain illegally carry guns and we were just defenceless.

The mainstream parties have no agenda to bring back capital punishment. The day the death penalty for murder was abolished in the UK was really the crucial moment we started to fall.

logdon

I get the Islam in Europe blog sent to me and not one day passes without some 'incident'. Or putting it more honestly, many crimes.

These range from terror offences, violence against the kuffar, destruction of property, burning cars and open civil disobedience in Sweden, Denmark, and France. These people are thugs with a crescent and star as motivation.

We've seen hordes of arse up Muslims desecrating Christian sacral space in Milan and the constant whine of demand for their effing 'religious rights'.

We’ve seen would be jihadis here in Britain bragging of a take over.

We’ve seen abuse of returning troops and even recovering hospitalised servicemen.

It's as clear as it could be, they are not here or anywhere else to share but to take.

I also subscribe to the Arutz Sheva site which has been reporting the ongoing Temple Mount Arab rioting.

The usual lies and distortion fanning the flame these fanatics are so willing to ignite.

There's a common thread here yet not one figure (apart from Geert Wilders and a few others) will address it.

As a theoretical question, if Gaza is now judenrein why should not Jerusalem be Islamrein? Same thing. Different religions, that’s all.

Constantinople was once the centre of Christianity . Now it’s not. Couldn’t the same argument be made for Al Aksa? Or is, as they proclaim, Islam superior? An exception to all others? Sure they’ll go crazy. Is ‘crazy’ the accepted arbiter of right and wrong and scale of equal justice?

Of all nations Israel must surely know more of this stuff than any other yet although attitudes are becoming more realistic, even Knesset drags it’s feet. After Goldstone it’s obvious where the institutionalised UN values lie. What is there now to lose?

We are in a new Phoney War.

The whiff of smoldering tinder is in the air yet all ‘leader of the free world’, Barack Hussein Chamberlain over the pond will do is bow to Saudi potentates, make self destructive Cairo speeches and appease Ahmadinejad.

It’s now clear to all but the most obtuse that it’s now a matter of not if, but when the eruption starts in earnest.

Nero fiddles, indeed.

Florence of Arabia

Brian Moshe, thanks for an interesting post. You are right about most people in Britain not owning guns at the time of Hungerford, but Blair’s outlawing of firearms for the citizenry was prophylactic, and I sensed that something was up at the time. Now we know. He knew that the EU/One Worlder advance would provoke the British into standing up for themselves and buying a gun and putting it by … just in case.

The socialists (and a lot of far lefty Democrats in the US) hate guns because it puts control in the hands of the citizenry. The idea of an armed insurrection is never far from their minds.

I was always sure that Blair was engaged in a long term project. He came from nowhere. Rather like David Cameron, oddly enough …

Logdon, excellent, chilling post.

It is wryly ironic, by the way, that the socialists advanced their programme using a thuggish club that they had mismade, but it didn’t stop them from using it anyway, and the citizenry (except a few of us) accepting the punishment from it … and that mismade club was the ignorant charge of “racism” against those of us who argued for a halt for immigration of the sons of the prophet. How strange that so many were bullied by a charge that couldn’t possibly be so.

Paul

The changing of the demographic setup for the UK is and always has been based on the EU or the ESU (European Soviet Union) which is about purely nationlessness!! By making nations full of non-original persons it is easier for the ESU to divide it into the proposed REGIONS??? It really doesn't matter whether it is Labour or Conservatives they both report to the same masters, but just appear to be opposite in their policies??

david mcdaid

I can't understand this at all. The expenses scandal hit the news and months later is still dragging on.

This is an act of treachery, far, far worse than any expenses scandal and it's being ignored by the mainstream media. WHY??????

just Louise

A couple of days ago there was a small report in the "Daily Telegraph" that last year our duplicitous political masters deleted a passage from a Whitehall report on mass immigration that linked such immigration to rising crime.
"The rights and liberties of Englishmen", as the old Whig historians were apt to call them? Ground to dust, every single one.

Nothing changes

The country is being destroyed before our very eyes by mass immigration co-ordinated by the politicians and their Fifth column. Freddie Forsyth sums it up today:

http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/137074

"In 70 years I have never seen the establishment held in such loathing by the broad masses of the people."

James

The people who are supposed to be looking out for our interests are the ones that are purposely destroying. Labour the Tories and the liberal democrats need to go.

I don’t care which new party you vote for just don’t vote for any of the old.

The Green party, The BNP, UKIP and The independents get all of these into parliament and I guarantee they will do a much better job.

john stuart king

Just louise.
Mark my words, UKIP are next on the hit list.
First they came for--etc.

Frank P

Melanie

Your side-bar comrade with the comical hair-do (or wig?) has taken issue with your analysis, Melanie. I take it that you would not demean yourself with an internecine rebuttal. No? Quite right, ignore the Berk. He seems to have agreed to become a proxy for the editor who reneged on his promise to post on Neather, so you would merely be shooting the messenger. But be comforted by the fact that several have castigated Messenger Massie for you and, as Nelson is currently holding the telescope to his blind eye, it's all a bit pointless.

Phoenix

The current crop of politicians are trying to destroy England by any means possible. Selling assets, Lisbon Treaty, immigration, foreign wars, running down our industries, farming fisheries, and commerce.
They are regionalising England into 9 featureless fragmented unelected bureaucracies. They are putting us into debt for generations top come and exporting our jobs so that we do not have the means to repay it.
A hydrogen bomb on London, Birmingham and Manchester would probably be less damaging, at least we would have a chancew of recovering from that. They have committed treason and should pay the traditional penalty.

raymond

Honestly do not know who to vote for this coming election. every part of me revolts of voting for the BNP, but what can I do ?

Robert Higginson

Thank you, Melanie, for highlighting some of these issues. And thank you also for your clear logic which cuts through the misinformation with which the socialists try to confuse the issue.

This episode bears all the hallmarks of a Cloward-Piven strategy move by Labour.

At the European Election count last June I tried to suggest to a reporter from "The Politics Show" that he could usefully look for examples of Cloward-Piven actions by Labour. He does not seem to have been interested.

One matter which looks like a Cloward-Piven activity is the way that Gordon Brown almost single-handedly created a pensions funding crisis by taxing, not cash in hand, but the theoretical gains of pensions funds based upon the nominal value of Stock MArket investments. At the same time, this tax also depressed share prices by forcing pensions funds to sell investments to pay the tax. But I conclude that this was by accident, and could never be a Cloward-Piven action. Brown is simply not that clever.

Paul Simpson

Melanie, you know the truth as do many of us. It is not simply called "multiculturalism" is it well planned Cultural Marxism that has been going on since the 1930s with the communists and ever increasing cancer since the 1960s. The sad reality is no one will do anything until the the destruction is terminal, and the Marxist soceity destroyers know this well as history has proven over and over with the horrific legacy of communism and the 100 million it left mudered. You may attack the BNP, but I think you also know that none of the other parties will do a thing.

Humans sad to say are foolish, and rarely make a fuss until the police state's boot is in their backside or a gun is pointing at their head, but it's all too late then.

Barbara Stevens

Could not agree more with your blog, however, its not immigration that's given the bnp more members, it the erosion of civil liberties, stupid laws to contain the masses, quango's for about every thing that are costing the earth, I could go on. Most of all the ignoring of the working class left in bad housing, estates like a war zones, and no jobs. Immigrants have been given housing, jobs, and healthcare that most of the above have paid for via NI when they worked. Can one blame them when the very party they voted for betrays them, with immigration to satisfy party dogma, they have violated those who supported them and they won't forget. I for one don't blame them one bit.

Mike Harris

This is treason, I beleive you can still be hung for it!

Verity

Mike Harris ... you believe one can still be hung for treason. Sadly, you are wrong. Anthony Lynton Blair and his group of Commie enforcers changed the law. I wonder why.

Emily

Peter Hitchens, too, goes where they rest of the sycophancy-for access ‘journalists’ fear to tread when it comes to Andrew Neather’s revelations:

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2009/10/the-slowmotion-new-labour-putsch-that-swept-our-nation-away.html

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2009/10/there-is-no-cure-for-this-disease.html

I have to say I tend to flip about the Mail, the Telegraph and The Spectator as my main reads and separately on each one the number of writers in sync with the readership I can count on less than one hand.

Why do they not more resemble things like America’s National Review, Front Page Mag or American Thinker?

John Barkham

Quelle surprise-Socialists who think the end justifies the means. In defence of their ideology they feel justified in destroying national identity, through subterfuge & deceit. And as usual Stalin's friendly fools in the BBC cheer them on.

Licks

If you all care so much about Britain, why weren't you at British Constitution Group's 3rd conference on Halloween Saturday?
The theme was "British Government on Trial." It was only 15 quid, and open to all, but you didn't bother, did you?

John Duckham

Quote: It was done to destroy the right of the British people to live in a society defined by a common history, religion, law, language and traditions. Unquote

How does immigration do that? All of that still belongs to the vast majority of the British. As long as government is firm the incomers adopt the British norm. If it isn't a firm government then you have to get one that is.

phil

Florence of Arabia it was good to see you had read my words -one would have to understand psychology to realise why you responded immediately to our two excellent and sensible posters Brian and Logdon ,you were obviously ignoring me ,quite unsophisticated don,t you think ?Sadly for you I doubt that those two ,who have exhibited decency for a long time here will be pleased to hear from someone who posts racist mail like you .

Ya """While you discuss Ed Husain's right to crap on Israel in order to look nice in the eyes of his co-religionists,"" you well know that is not what I said .Please read it again -I am not his publicist here but if anyone makes a statement they are entitled at least here to have it put truthfully

I have said for more time than I care to remember here that I am a supporter of Israel ,you are also aware that I believe engagement is important for our progress-do you prefer this with the lunatics or Ed Hussein -?----please no one liners ,you often write meaningfully but this nasty stuff ill becomes you

GeoffM

Just look at this.

And weep.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nig7Qm8-UPI&feature=player_embedded#

stanley Jerusalem

Does that mean, Mike Harris, we can't hang someone for setting fire to Her Majesty's Dockyards? That was the last offence punishable by death and was not previously removed from the Statute Books.

Mark

'New Labour' hey?....What a wonderful bunch they realy are!This comes from a working class chap, reasonably educated(ish)profesional job, at mo!Labour till i die was my previous cry.....my god,what a bunch of wooly thinking,sychophantic,media obsessed,anti-british, stalinistic,do gooding,self absorbed,lying,short sighted,prententious, oh, and not particularly intelligent bunch of excuse of people they have shown to be. My god, treason isnt the word....and theyve done it totally and stealthily against this once great and proud country, hang your heads in shame.