Multiculturalism kills

Mags Hardy

It was announced in the UK yesterday that President & Mrs. Obama are to visit Fort Hood on Tuesday and attend the memorial ceremony. Making cheap political capital out of such a tragic event as happened at Fort Hood is frankly despicable.

Nordheim

Melanie, the Army and White House are now concerned about any potential backlash against Muslims, even though they themselves don't necessarily see any connection between the attack and Islam. Even non-Orthodox Jewish organizations here are making pandering, pro-Islamic statements. I wish they could at least say nothing. I guess the Left wing in a way likes the idea of Islamists because they tend to be non-whites from foreign countries, and as such are inherently better than us natives.

Australians for Non-Bigoted Thinking

The gags that the Totalitarian Left Puppet Masters have used to indoctrinate the West, so that one cannot freely express an opinion without being falsely accused of behaving as a 'racist' and 'sexist' etcetera, are working. Where NO classmates filed a formal, written complaint about Hasan's comments out of fear of appearing discriminatory, is a perfect example of politically correct mind control...

The danger to the West's survival is that once these beliefs are normalized into the psyche of the populace, where will be the will to fight these perverse extremists. Voila Fort Hood !

Bravo and three cheers to the likes of Melanie Phillips for exposing the suppression of free speech and the travesty to the intellectual process that this suspension of thought and action incurs. If not checked, the indoctrinated may become blinded to foresee the tragic consequences that may ultimately destroy the democratic and cultural values of Western Civilization.

Roy

The "wakey wakey" call must surely go out to the military establishments who seem to have forgotten the early morning catch cry is theirs. Perhaps they should also "be prepared" and not be hindered by top authorities political correctness. Making sure they take their own decisions on who are the ones to watch.

Bo Stenberg

Isn't the military the first to go when it all comes crashing down? Or is it the last...?

Wilhelm ( Blockem and deport them )

The BBC news never, ever, never, ever mentioned he was a muslim, not ever .

Funny that, isnt it ?

If he was a Christian fanatic, you can be certain the BBC would have mentioned it.

Watched Bill O'Reilly and Bernie Goldberg discuss this, within 2 seconds flat, they said he was a muslim fanatic looking up Jihad websites all the time, catch it on Youtube. On Fox you get the true score.

David, Caliphornia

An interesting story from McClatchy newspapers giving some more descriptions of Hasan's extremism, based on confidenial Muslim friends' stories about him.

http://bit.ly/3gpMoF

"More evidence that Fort Hood gunman held radical beliefs"
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For myself, I would not call the U.S. reaction to this event 'deranged' or 'in denial' but in this case I think there is a combination of simple ignorance on the part of many journalists who haven't read widely enough about Islamism, as well as a desire to exercise caution about an obviously very touchy subject. One editorial mis-step will bring out the crazies flamers and crybabies, and the whole news industry is on tenderhooks already.

Also, I think a certain private unexpressed sympathy does exist among US journalists, for Palestinian suffering and for a history some years back, of unflattering portrayals of Muslims in film.

The Gateless Gate

The watchword here must be discrimination.

New mantras: discrimination is good because it saves lives.

Know when to discriminate and when it is inappropriate.

Discriminating is good - discrimination can save lives.

Perhaps the above mantras are not really necessary, but in the absence of widepsread common sense, i.e. it would have been obvious to a five-year old child that Major Hasan had significant problems, it would be prudent to hold onto them for the time being. And as so often is the case, the Left is morally bankrupt, corrupt and deceitful concerning a defence of its lethal non-discrimination perspective.

Discriminate - look for the weasel words that indicate fear and obfuscation. They are killers.

Yehuda

To David, Caliphornia: the "suffering of the 'Palestinians'", to which you refer has been entirely self-inflicted.
Had they chosen the path of tolerance and peaceful co-existence with the Zionists, their lives would have been very different; but they chose the way of the Nazi collaborator Mufti, Haj Amin el-Husseini, who to this day remains their inspiration.

elixelx

Mags, I'm assuming you thought that George Bush was callous and indifferent when he was an hour late responding to the 9/11 attacks; and an uncaring, callow cad when he took two or three days after Katrina to visit New Orleans....So really, Barry-boy not visiting the bereaved at Fort Hood for five days after the tragedy is just par for the course for these "Unfeeling Presidents" who allow victims to stew in their own grief while they play a round or two of golf!
Of course we all know that Pres. Bush doesn't play golf, so it must be the other uncaring President who advised the bereaved families of Fort Hood not to jump to conclusions while waiting for his pleasure before getting his shoulder to cry on--one week and one thousand golf strokes later!
"Cheap Political Capital"! Indeed! Is there any other kind?!
Aren't YOU making some with your comment, as I am with mine?

logdon

Three links. And three reasons why we should seriously worry about the way the world is heading.

http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/09/why-he-shouted-%E2%80%9Callahu-akbar%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-by-jamie-glazov/

http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/09/sudden-jihad-or-inordinate-stress-at-ft-hood-by-daniel-pipes/

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

The three above explain the situation in it’s glaring truth. This one, a masterclass in how our political commentators should be talking, and also by Melanie tells us why.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1226211/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-We-fools-think-fall-Berlin-Wall-killed-far-Left-Theyre--attacking-within.html#addComment

All in all as severe an indictment as it gets.

America is waking up to the fact that B. Hussein is not all he purports to be.

The BNP’s success is telling us that Labour has sold us down a river leading to a swamp, not of their famed multiculturalism but of a mono culture of Islam taking over cities and towns like Bradford, Blackburn, Burnley, Birmingham, Luton and huge swathes of London.

Postman Pat now talks of debate. This trade union Marxist, part of the problem, now realises to his horror that he’ll be thrown out in six months.

Is he attempting any kind of apology or effort to put it right? Not on your Nelly, he’s ‘re-educating’ us.

This arrogant clown is doing precisely what Melanie deliniates in her Mail piece. We’re all wrong, he is right and by God he’s determined to rub that message in until we are silenced.

We’ve had enough! That’s our message to these imbeciles. The public rage is actually palpable as we read the blogs and talk to neighbours. We are actually now entering citizen revolt and not one moment too soon.

Our time is at hand.

logdon

By the way, of the three I posted this link is the real key.

Obama the Muslim.

Obama the Quisling.

Obama the man who would hollow out and eviscerate America until a hybrid
Islamo/Marxism triumphs.

This isn't crackpot conspiracy theory, leave that to the 9/11 'Truthers', this is actually going on under our very noses.

Here he is in full pomp and awe of Allah.

Remember what Michelle Obama said?

She never had hope in America until he came along? This from an affirmative action Harvard educated lawyer living in a multi-million Chicago mansion?

Watch him talk of refusing to wear a flag pin.

Watch him bow and scrape before Saudi's.

Listen to his words as he talks of Islam as a supreme faith which the world owes an undying debt to.

And this is the leader of the free world.

In God I trust? Which one is the question? The answer is in the YouTube footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

logdon

By our very own Martin Bright. Enough is enough.

Step one/ demand this man is sacked forthwith.

Step two/ demand an investigation of all who facilitated his appointment and sack them.

Step three/ remove this traitorous Party from power for evermore.

Step four/ explain in no uncertain terms to Cameron that if this rot is not reversed by his Party, we will vote for the alternatives.

UK: Islamic supremacist gets top anti-terror job

How enlightened, how marvelously diverse, to appoint a fox to guard the henhouse. "'Hardcore' Islamist gets top anti-terror post at Home Office," by Martin Bright for TheJC.com, November 5 (thanks to Kris):

A "hardcore" Islamist has been given a key Home Office job to tackle terrorism and divert fellow Muslims from the path of violence.

The appointment of Asim Hafeez as head of intervention at the Office of Security and Counter-Terrorism has caused serious concern among more moderate Muslim advisers across Whitehall. It is seen as a sign of a shift in the government's policy on radical Islam away from engagement with more moderate groups. There is a sharp divide of opinion within government about whether ministers should engage with Muslims at risk of radicalisation or concentrate on forging links with moderates.

Mr Hafeez was described by one fellow adviser as "hardcore Salafi". Salafism is a strictly puritanical branch of Islam, often associated with Saudi Arabia. It does not promote violence, but does urge the creation of an Islamic state....

Oh, is that all!

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/uk-islamic-supremacist-gets-top-anti-terror-job.html

workie ticket

No matter how poor an ethnic minority's performance at work is it is overlooked hundreds of thousands of times for fear of being accused racist. Everyone understands that equality legislation is not intended to be equally applied and so one has to bite ones lip. The same now applies to Islam and its followers in the UK as well a the US. You can be sure that if you do point out someones pro-terrorist sympathies you will be encouraged to forget it as your boss will certainly not investigate or forward the information on.

logdon

Hope 'n change? Lets hope so.

From Con Home

Monday, November 09, 2009
Labour's private polling says it could lose 220 of its MPs

The well-connected Jackie Ashley reveals the sensational fact in her Monday Guardian column:

"Some Labour people may think I'm sounding too gloomy, but those who have been privy to recent private polling are a lot more than gloomy. This suggests that Labour could return to the Commons with just 120 MPs or thereabouts, taking the party back to 1930s territory. As ministers look for jobs to keep themselves going after politics, a Miliband move to Europe looks sensible."

I can't imagine things getting that bad for Labour but gobsmacking nonetheless.

Tim Montgomerie

darsan

a pluralistic socity will bludgeon itself to death.schumpeter had written that democracy results in proliferation of intellectuals who will undermine democracy and destroy it. we are seeing it in the western liberal democracies.

JohnAnt

Someone in the higher military cadre knew that Hasan was a religious nutter who advocated suicide bombing, and ignored the complaints.
Someone in the higher echelons protected Hasan.
Someone with a close relationship to the mosques advised Hasan on how most effectively to carry out an act of terror. At the very least, someone showed him how to access jihadi websites and gave him jihadi videos.
Who ignored him?
Who protected him?
Who advised him?
The US Army must learn lessons from this.

solemnman

They came to the West to feed off the land and make of it an extension of the land they left and they are succeeding everywhere.

Augustus

It's a funny thing that when you go to various Muslim sites, such as revolutionmuslim.com, they don't seem to have any doubts about the nature of the Fort Hood massacre.

daniel maris

Mark Mardell must be feeling a bit foolish by now. The latest news appears to be that Hasan was actively seeking to establish contact with Al Queda.

Carnal

Wow, the diehard underhanded Reps never stop using any tragedy as an opportunity to continue to slam a modern day president whose only fault seems to be the desire to get our country back on track. Bravo, well done.

just Louise

Funny, I haven't read about this on the BBC website or heard it mentioned on Al Beeb. But new America correspondent Mak Mardell, who has written two weak vanilla blogs about the Ford Hood atrocity, proclaims that comments are important to him and he reads every one. Hmmm. That should give us an idea...
Al Beeb's censorship of facts resembles the Stalinist habit of removing unpalatable items of knowledge from the Soviet Encyclopaedia.

Original Tony

Logdon...well said in all your contributions.

I am so tired of pc and the cowardice it creates in people. We need to all say it as it is.

Cheeta Watch

He was probably aware that the US tend to take a relaxed view of extremism - at leaast in New York: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,565365,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r4:c0.000000:b0:z5

logdon

Looks like Melanie is right. Multiculturalism does indeed, kill.

And, to rub salt into our wounds the msm (except the Mail) will not confront this fact.

(Convinced yet,David?)

Remember, this is the US Army, the free world's first line of defence. The way things are heading we'll wimp ourselves out of existence within a decade.

From today's Daily Mail.

"Fort Hood gunman warned of danger of forcing Muslims in U.S. Army to fight other Muslims 18 months ago

By Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 1:24 PM on 10th November 2009

* U.S. intelligence knew of Hasan's links to Al Qaeda via email
* Hasan to be tried in military court
* Doctors say he has regained consciousness and is talking
* U.S. officials say he acted alone
* Terrorism not ruled out after 9/11 links are revealed, however

The Fort Hood gunman warned of the 'adverse effects' of forcing Muslim soldiers in the U.S. Army to fight other Muslims in a presentation in 2007, it has emerged.

Major Nidal Malik Hasan gave the presentation to supervisors and students as the culmination of his residency programme.

He was supposed to speak on a medical topic - but instead lectured on the Taliban, suicide bombing, and Osama bin Laden.

Details of his presentation emerged as U.S. intelligence officials admitted they were aware months ago that he had links to Al Qaeda.

Hasan was in email contact with an imam who met with one of the 9/11 hijackers in 2001, officials said.

However officials decided not to open a formal investigation into Hasan after concluding that the emails were essentially harmless.

Now the FBI is to conduct an internal review over accusations it mishandled the investigation into the man who killed 13 people on an American base last week.

Officials said that Hasan, who regained consciousness yesterday, had acted alone, and was not following out the orders of any group.

However intelligence agencies admitted they knew Hasan was in contact with Anwar al Aulaqi, an imam linked to the September 11 hijackers, 10 to 20 times in the months prior to the Fort Hood massacre, officials said.

Aulaqi, released from a Yemeni jail last year, was a spiritual leader at a Falls Church, Virginia mosque where Hasan's family attended services.

In 2001, Aulaqi told the FBI that, before he moved to Virginia in early 2001, he met with 9/11 hijacker Nawaf al-Hazmi several times in San Diego.

Counter-terrorism officials were aware of his email contact with Hasan dating back at least six months. Aulaqi also runs a website denouncing U.S. foreign policy that praised Hasan as a hero after the Fort Hood shootings.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1226453/Fort-Hood-gunman-Nidal-Malik-Hasan-tried-contact-Al-Qaeda-months-killed-13-American-base.html#ixzz0WSlpQlNJ

logdon

Muslims in New York celebrate the deaths of Americans in the Fort Hood jihad

Imagine Americans openly praising Hitler in New York in 1943. But in today's politically correct age, everyone's free speech is under threat except that of these guys.

From Revolution Muslim:

An officer and a gentleman was injured while partaking in a preemptive* attack.

Get Well Soon Major Nidal

We Love You

Video thanks to Pamela.
Posted by Robert on November 9, 2009 10:52 AM | 38 Comments

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/muslims-in-new-york-celebrate-the-deaths-of-americans-in-the-fort-hood-jihad.html

patricia

I wonder if all the wacky Zionists banished from the BBC's message boards will now find a home here. They were a pretty thoughtless lot, so they should feel right at home here!

Philo

"But Finnell said no one filed a formal, written complaint about Hasan's comments out of fear of appearing discriminatory (my emphasis).

It seems that multiculturalism kills."

A moment's reflection will show this to be a non sequitur. I doubt that the flaw in logic is without malign intent.

Clarissa

Absolute nonsense.
I'm from Singapore and we live, breathe and love in multiculturalism. Very well too, if I may add.
It's hardly about how multiculturalism "kills", rather, the tolerance of multiculturalism, that brings about peace and harmony.

Clarissa

@ Mags Hardy

Don't you think it's only appropriate that the leader of the country pays respects to the men who died in vain due to the unfortunate incident at Fort Hood? I fail to see the profiteering of political capital.

In the Widerness in America

In the mosques, the imams come and go,
Glorifying Hasan, and so
Truth be told,
No one was to be so bold
AS to stop this PC insanity
And corrosion of morality.

What will it take to set us free?
The dead and wounded are shouting at you and me.

Augustus

Clarissa, whatever do you mean by 'we live, breathe and love in multiculturalism'? And what's it got to do with the danger of Islamic extremism in Western society?

Diversity in a population isn't the issue, America has had plently of experience of that, and nobody there is trying to destroy it. The issue is: Recognize and own up to extremism, i.e. Islamic extremism, because that is what it is, and take action when you find it. Otherwise your doomed.

Andrew Bolt

Attacks on Multiculturalism are a threat to all minorities esp. our Jewish and Hispanic friends. You should think long and hard before going on these rants Melanie which only serve to give comfort to extremists.

jdude

@ Andrew Bolt
You should read "Who Are We?" By Samuel Huntington if you think multiculturalism isn't so dangerous.

john

Not all Muslims are terrorists but all our terrorists are Muslim?
Keep bringing them in as immigrants and tell us we welcome their diversity?

just Louise

The astonishing Home Office appointment of an Islamic extremist mentioned above by logdon was reported in the Jewish press last week.
Strange to say, I haven't noticed a word of it in any other paper. That C word comes to mind again.
It seems that as long as the masses have bread and circuses all sorts of policies that will jeopardise their collective future can pass by under stealth.
Andrew, I'm not sure that Jews and Hispanics have anything to fear from attacks on multiculturalism. A democratic pluralistic society like America's or Britain's has always allowed people to worship in their own fashion - and long may it remain so.
But promoting the notion that all cultures - as opposed to all men - are created equal, and making all cultures a part of public polity, is injurious to citizens oppressed by such cultures and to the national fabric.
That's why Britain has become a foreign country to so many of its sons and daughters.

Mr Melrose

ORIGINAL TONY - please do 'say it as it' is so that even a left leaning liberal such as myself may 'get it'. Don't hold back matey! Get ready moderator!

logdon

Two things caught my attention today.

One was this, which is quite uniquely Italian in the Oriana Fallaci mode.

Fallacci wrote two pretty seminal books, The Force of Reason and The Rage and the Pride about how Islam is completely corrupting and destroying Italy and Italian culture and it’s history.

By seminal I mean she was hounded by islamists who without any doubt would have killed her. And worse, her own government with legal threat and such harassment she left for New York where she died last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpdCfbSsNzQ&feature=player_embedded#

This is great stuff, watch the classic reaction of the bearded fanatical muslim as his rage engulfs him. A woman who dare’s insult the prophet? As the MCB’s Iqbal Sacranie said about Rushdie, ‘death would be too easy’.

And imagine his anger now? Unnassuaged festering. A veritable Fort Hood killer in the making? That’s all it takes. The hair trigger and the itchy finger of a supremacist faith in collision by mere words.

Leading to thought two.

Today’s Eye has the running Fantoni cartoon, Scenes You Seldom See.

Two men standing at bar, one saying to the other, “There’s a really interesting article in the weeks Spectator”. Scenes you seldom see, indeed?

Get off the fence, for God’s sake. You dithered on Neather. You offered pathetically wimpy excuse for Nidal Malik Hasan’s demonstrably inexcusable homicidal jihad rampage.

What more does it take before honesty and a bit of journalistic leadership takes the place of the politically correct blandness?

That woman in the clip had the balls to speak the unspeakable. Mohammed, in marrying a nine year old Aisha was a paedophile. She knew it. We know it, yet seemingly it remains, in media and falsly polite (or more likely ,scared shitless) circles, firmly in it’s box as the unknown, unknown.

Something has to give. This wierd phoney war is driving Britain crazy.

One day it will erupt.

Then maybe, you’ll have something to write about.

Gary

Strictly speaking these attacks are treason ie a armed attack on the armed forces of one's own country. The profile of this individual is perfect for an ideological enemy ie highly educated devout within the Islamic faith middle class origins etc. The defenders of multiculturalism in any society where a core minority ie Islamic fundamentalists are laughable if the consequences werent so devastating.

Verity

Clarissa 4:20 p.m. writes - Absolute nonsense.
I'm from Singapore and we live, breathe and love in multiculturalism. Very well too, if I may add. It's hardly about how multiculturalism "kills", rather, the tolerance of multiculturalism, that brings about peace and harmony.

Well, you got your opening sentence right. “Absolute nonsense”.

First, Clarissa, (and I’m assuming you’re Chinese and this is your English name), as much as I love and adore Singapore, the Chinese are not the indigenes. Key point. . They were the incomers.

Yes, their presence has brought enormous - unbelievable even - benefits to Singapore and Malaysia, but “multicultural” was invented by LKY to pacify the indigenous Bhumiputeras, and even the co-settler Indians who came as labourers to work on the rubber and palm oil plantations a hundred or more years ago. It was a typically astute political move, and it has been typically successful.

Yes, Singapore has Bhumis in the police force, and the armed services, and Indians, maybe even a couple of gweilos for all I know, but the population of Singapore is 88% Chinese and the Chinese, to repeat, are not the indigenes. They came to the Straits to settle. And LKY was careful to present everyone as one identity – Singaporean - to keep the newly developing nation (under Chinese leadership) peaceful and steady.

In Britain, the British are the indigenes and the developers of our own country, and much of Africa and Asia as well. To draw a parallel is moronic. Chinese immigrants brought unbelievable benefits through their foresight, their skill at long-term planning and devotion to hard work, to a previously barely developed region. Muslims have brought nothing to the West but violence, primitive habits and aggression. The French absolutely loathe them.

As far as “loving in multiculturalism” in Singapore, whatever the hell that means, how many mixed couples do you know, Clarissa?

And looking north to Malaysia, the Bhumi majority are the Muslims and they are growing increasingly unpleasant and aggressive and even to their own people. In other words, radical Islam is taking hold.

Frank P

logdon (12the Nov 4.19pm)

Good post, but presumably you're aiming your 'get off the fence' segment at the editor, rather than Melanie? In the couple of decades that I have been following Melanie's copy she has cleared every fence she encountered by a perfect Fosbury flop - with a foot to spare each time. Shurely shome mistake?

Bill Seacole Corr

Look, it's all perfectly simple:

Every senior military officer and every police officer knows that there are two doors in front of her or him.

One leads to recognition, promotion and advancement.

The other leads to career stagnation or career death.

Complain that a Muslim is a dangerous fanatic? That's more than MY job's worth, mate!

Bill Seacole Corr

Look, it's all perfectly simple:

Every senior military officer and every police officer knows that there are two doors in front of her or him.

One leads to recognition, promotion and advancement.

The other leads to career stagnation or career death.

Complain that a Muslim is a dangerous fanatic? That's more than MY job's worth, mate!

logdon

Frank P
November 13th, 2009 5:45pm

Certainly not Melanie. I was talking about the rest, exemplified by today's David Blackurn attempt at being a Guardian writer.

In fact I'm only here because of her move to the Spec, then discovered the delights of Coffee House.

One thing, Melanie could never be described as decaff.

Dave M

Margaret Thatcher criticized America over a decade ago for what she viewed as turning away from western heritage. By this I think she meant America was already in the process of demographic/social transformation. The America of hamburgers, cheerleaders, polite middle class kids and traditional, church families was changing gradually. Of course, we can now see it has changed a lot. For that I think the Clintons have some of the responsibility.
The snag is America has gone from being a diverse but western nation to a far far more diverse nation with no real concrete identity. This is the problem with multiculturalism as eventually a society becomes more and more multicultural. It's what happened to the Romans from 200 A.D. to 400 A.D.
These days I take a very dim view of America and that included the Bush era as well. However, I'm a fan of America as it was in former years, especially the eighties. To some degree America did prosper from it's "nation of immigrants" status by importing educated people to develop technologies and social advancement. Where it has now gone wrong is by allowing this process of immigration to diversify far too much, to the extent of importing anti western sentiment.
In the past America has managed to unite various nationalities behind one flag, one identity (being American) and a basic, western philosophy. Even so, there comes a point where diversity outgrows one simple concept and idea of statehood and factions of different interests begin to emerge.
My view is this kind of thing will get much worse as time goes on.
Meantime, China is a model of national "can do", using home grown Chinese labour to create more and more Chinese jobs (and more prosperity for Chinese people). China is certainly not simply throwing open its doors to thousands of immigrants. Interestingly enough, China's performance at the Olympics proves you can outperform other countries without the reliance of using immigrants as the building block of society.