Tories! Wake up

Seacole

The Tories are a delicate shade of pinko-liberal - if they wake up they will have one hell of a shock!

Dave B

I'll be very, very, very surprised if the Tories don't win the next election.

Vulture

' My Nanny' : is your correspondent in a second childhood? Either way, hardly a typical voter since Chelsea is the Tories' safest seat.

I'm a Conservative who would rather feast on dogs' turds than vote for Cameron. Quite simply he is not a Conservative in any shape or form. The irony is, that the Tories would be looking at a landslide if they adopted three simple policies :
a) A curb to ALL immigration.
b) A halt to Islamification.
c) An in/out referendum on the EU.
But Dave has sold the pass and the likelihood is that we'll get a hung Parliament or evn a Liebour win as a result.

Margaret Muller-Johansson

Nice picture Melanie, i like this picture Tories sleepy heads, Ha ha!

Roy

There is just no need for the Tories to make it 'a close run thing'! But they will not disclaim such a lot of the mess Labour are leaving. They do not want to upset the new voters and would sooner alienate the tried and true or the swing voter. They deserve a hung parliament.

dave

Hehe, the right wing voting europsceptic loons will make the tories lose. Labour to win!

ed hall

"luncheon" and a "working class nanny". I think I'll vote anarchist.

Pramston

I think natural Tories need to wake up to the dangers of not voting Tory at the next GE. Another five years of Labour and it is unlikely the Country will ever recover. Enjoy your protest votes and prepare for another five years of Brown.

blue_&_white_avenger

Vulture & Roy - I agree generally.
I don't think that all immigration should be stopped - but severely limited. Multiculturalism must be rolled back & some old British values re-instituted - e.g. common sense, protection of the public from criminals (i.e. convicted killers or those of murderous intent have no human rights), the removal of Human Rights, Health & Safety, DP Acts from the statute book, police to act on incitement regardless of political consequences, revision of the statute book particularly laws instituted over the last 40 years.
In other words, common sense to rule as it once was

GaryO

Personally I would be worried for my kids if the nanny in charge is of a mind to vote for BNP!

Voting for UKIP is a waste of time. What have they achieved with their MEP's? Have they stopped the ever expanding and intrusive march of this monster? No! Have they stopped the corruption and nepotism in the EU? No!

The best protest vote is to abstain from the whole process altogether. I personally think that UK is now too far gone down the road of mass immigration, self censorship,PC, cowardly media and islamisation to make any difference.

I am just waiting to die, then it'll end!

Keith

Just heard the Libs would back CDM in a hung parliament. Sadly thats what the Tories reluctance to put Labour on the skewer over Neather ,appeasement of Islamists and Lisbon makes likely. UKIP and the BNP will take votes from both Labour and Tories but in my analysis mainly the Tories.In the meantime the Marxists and the recently arrived population harden their electoral defence of Labour.A hung Westminster means more compromise on Europe and Immigration. Get on the bus Mr Cameron, we dont want it

Kiwi

Spot on Vulture. Then there's d, e, f, g,....., starting with a complete overhaul of the much abused welfare and benefits system, then there's education, the NHS, defence, the judiciary, the police.... then there's crime....

Watt Tyler

Hmmmm. Well, I don't know. The BNP might gain from disaffected Tory support, but isn't it Labour from whom great swathes are about to defect?

(incidentily, I don't know why this Melanie's reader thinks that the UKIP are any seedier than the Tory party).

I am coming round to the Verity Scenario. The only way to purge the Liberal-PC-Marxist mind set from the body politic (and the Conservative leadership) is for everything to go wrong for what it stands for in another Labour term in office. I will be voting UKIP.

(Incidentily, UKIP are organising a petition for a referendum on Europe - www.ukip.org).

Bob

I'm with Ed Hall.

Luncheon's and my nanny the working class hero vibes are incredibly off putting.

A rather casual nod in the direction of the BNP as well.

What a lovely example Melanie.

Tony

I, like his 'Nanny', will be voting BNP and it is precisely because of the destruction of freedom & democracy that is being systematically perpetrated in front of our very eyes by the fascists that are running the Country. The BNP are the only party who believe that Britain should be an independent democratic state that protects our freedoms, culture & identity. The alternative, God forbid, is that Britain will in the very near future become either an Islamic state or one run my Marxists whose sole purpose is to turn this Country into a totalitarian controlled state. Personally I prefer freedom & democracy. It’s what endless number of brave people fought & died for.

Wilhelm

If you had a choice where to live,

1. Would you live in a multicultural, diverse, fragmented, no cohesion, an England turned into a Somalian slum with the added bonus of Sharia law, thats the icing on the cake. Video cameras on every street corner watching your every move bit like East Germany ?

Or you could vote UKIP or the BNP, at least you'll be albe to sleep at night with a clear conscience because you made an attempt to stop the islamification of England.

Graeme Thompson

The only way the Conservative Party will become the Conservative Party again Melanie is if you put a real bolt up them and form a provisional party to carry a conservative message to voters in the BNP's strongest areas, to hopefully just leave them with their core Nazi scum vote and attract enough cross-party support affirming British values to show DC what can be achieved with a bit of courage and conviction and might be achieved against him in the future if he doesn't show some.

DC's decision to impose women-only short-list shows just what a lost cause he is to the sweet voice of reason.

Rebel Saint

I'm a natural conservative voter (though it's largely irrelevant because I live in a Labour stronghold). However I shan't be voting for them this time - or for the foreseeable future. There's just no point in sticking with the same old lib-lab-con charade any more.

It's time for revolution. Only when people's disdain for current politics & the EU is greater than their desire to remain 'respectable' will we see any real change.

Neil Craig

I recently found that the BNP website had published something on Carla del Ponte, a year & a half ago, reporting how the KLA, enrolled by us as our "police" in Kosovo, had kidnapped hundreds of Serbs & dissected them, while still alive, to provide organs for western hospitals. There is no serious dispute that we did let this happen, that it was predictable the moment we went to war to help the openly genocidal ex-Nazis of the KLA & that all the major parties & media have studiously avoided mentioning it.

Difficult to accuse the BNP of being the Nazis now.

SOS

Labour are experts at getting their vote out (look at postal 'voting' etc), the Conservatives will lose out to UKIP and people inclined to vote Conservative but who stay at home unmotivated by Cameron.

Outside of London Cameron is pretty much loathed. The only people he pleases are bien pensant journalists, against whom there is also a growing revolt.

Janey Daley is also in despair over all this today.

The Conservatives have turned their ship around and now, as the wind favours them, they are facing the wrong direction to make advantage of it.

Sarah Palin is doing the opposite in America.

The fate of them both will be fascinating to watch. The consequences of failure terrifying.

Merlyn

Sorry, the Tories are busy getting new candidates from every ethnic minority so that they can compete with Labour's stitched up vote base. [See Neather].
They have lost the plot and lost our trust.
We are all EU now, terrorized, lied to and sacrificed by our political 'parents'... and we dread to think what new 'disaster' they will create for us.
UKIP seems a shambles, apart from BNP, there is only such methods as widespead boycotting and taking matters into our own hands somehow.
What to do???

Merlyn

... and now they want to abolish cheque books so that we oldies cant send them by post.

Terry, Eilat - Israel

Alienation from the political process is national suicide. Many real conservatives just give up - sick of the crap politicians in every party, sick of the idiocy of the media, & absolutely disgusted by academics & ''experts'' with crack-pot views & zero common sense. But, if you give up, these morons win.

Murgatroyd

EU roll-over, Neather, appeasement of Islam:

Not a squeak from the Tories, apart from a few inconsequential grumblings from Grayling.

The Tories are too busy being afraid of their own shadow which they attempt to disown by bashing Turnip Talibans and Suffolk Swedes.

Tories - who needs them?

Certainly not the vegetables we are becoming - we are far better off being mashed by the Gramsco-Marxo axis.

Just add some Oxo!

solemnman

Be careful of who you vote for.There could be unintended consequences like ,for instance,ELECTING YOUR ENEMY!!!

Wilhelm

Gary

''The best protest vote is to abstain from the whole process altogether.''

Thats what liebour wants and its cowardice.

solemnman

Another Labour government would be a disaster from which Britain might never recover.Hold your nose and VOTE TORY!!!

mostly harmless

Wilhelm
November 23rd, 2009 12:30pm
'at least you'll be albe to sleep at night'

I think the sound of smashing glass would wake me from my slumber. No thanks

Wilhelm

Finland has 0.5 % Somalian population which causes 12% of the crime.

Coming to a neighbourhood near you, care of the liebour party. Thanks a bunch.

biggestaspidistra

It's the big hats that turn me off the Tories and, despite a desire to vote for anything but Labour, reading Spectator bloggers for the last year or so has turned me off further. (Not you Melanie, or Rod, or Fraser pre the promotion).

By the way, your reader sounds like a Conservative pickled circa 1953: one would, ghastly, Nanny with a capital 'N', working class background, Labour's hinterland and luncheon, unless he means a tin of meat. Did you make him up?

Rebel Saint

Wilhelm, the only reason there are so many Somali criminals is because they are being unfairly targeted by the institutionally racist police. And if you argue otherwise then you are a racist bigot too. [That is called irony btw folks]!

(Haven't you posted this comment on the wrong page though ... shouldn't it be on the Muslim Savages article?]

Lady Astor's son-in-law

"Natural Conservatives" aren't voting conservative because there is nothing conservative about the Conservative Party.

They are just BluLabour

Nicholas

With your stupid little protest votes you might as well vote New Labour and have done with.

Pathetic. "I'm going to vote UKIP because Dave won't hold a referendum blah blah blah"

Who signed the Lisbon Treaty? Which GOVERNMENT failed to hold a referendum? Who made Ireland vote twice?

You lot really are Brown's useful idiots.

David Lindsay

After the Turnip Taliban come the Suffolk Swedes, determined to resist the exclusion of the Deputy Leader of Suffolk County Council (a woman, for those who think that a candidate’s sex matters) from the shortlist to succeed her own retiring MP at Central Suffolk and North Ipswich. All of the shortlisted candidates for this Friday’s selection meeting are meterosexual.

I have every sympathy with those Tories who still have an absolute commitment to the monarchy, the organic Constitution, national sovereignty, the Union, the Commonwealth, the countryside, grammar schools, traditional moral and social values, controlled importation and immigration, and a realistic foreign policy. They characteristically have a no less absolute, and indeed inseparable, commitment to the Welfare State (including farm subsidies), workers’ rights, consumer protection, strong communities, conservation (not environmentalism), fair taxation, full employment, proper local government, a powerful Parliament, and a base of real property from which every household can resist both over-mighty commercial interests and an over-mighty State. In a farming area such as Suffolk, invariably so.

They are now getting the treatment meted out to those Labourities who had an absolute commitment to the Welfare State (including farm subsidies), workers’ rights, consumer protection, strong communities, conservation (not environmentalism), fair taxation, full employment, proper local government, a powerful Parliament, and a base of real property from which every household can resist both over-mighty commercial interests and an over-mighty State. They characteristically had and have a no less absolute, and indeed inseparable, commitment to the monarchy, the organic Constitution, national sovereignty, the Union, the Commonwealth, the countryside, grammar schools, traditional moral and social values, controlled importation and immigration, and a realistic foreign policy. In a mining and steelworking, Catholic and Methodist area such as here in County Durham, invariably so.

We should get together sometime...

just Louise

Wilhelm, it's now like that in parts of Melbourne, I'm afraid.
I shall certainly defect from the Conservatives to UKIP unless "Call me Dave" comes to his senses very soon; we have to win back control of our borders in order to prevent the impending demographic and economic catastrophe wrought by Blair's wicked immigration policies, and so long as we remain in Europe I cn't see that happening.
At the very least, will "Call me Dave" restore the teaching of British history in schools, something that Ed Balls has abolished, so that British children can acquire a meaningful account of their country's evolution and values?
No wonder that so many Brits feel like aliens in their own land.

David Alcock

Although, for most of my life a staunch labour supporter,I fear for the future of this country at all levels, as a result of this deeply but often surreptitiously destructive goverment and its essentially neo-marxist ideals. I could detail it all from the social wreckage of 'having it all' feminism and the concomitant attack on the role of men, to the post modern lust for chaos that inspired the immigration disaster and the sheer incompetence of of public services. On top of that we are broke and without even the excuse of a world war.

We desperately need a reforming and radically conservative government. Like several other contributers I'm worried by Camerons Blairism and some of his worryingly PC twitches.

I hope that a friends view of this is right and that Cameron must first get elected and that all his representations are geared to avoiding the alienation of major block votes rather than revealing essential policy.

However a hung parliament beckons if he doesn't get astride a radical mount soon. I believe the public know that change is imperative and if he can convince an electorate, that is crying out for change, that he will do it, he may get the swing he needs.

A vote for the fringe parties is OK as a protest in mid term, but in the forthcoming crunch it will truly be a criminal waste, and could ensure that even worse plagues are visited on us.

Get labour out and make sure the conservatives get the message and develop the reforming zeal that is is urgently required.

Joe Strummer

I don't doubt the Tories will indeed win the next election but it won't be the landslide it should be to finally rid the country of the nightmare from 1997 onwards. An alienated populace and ow turn-out could well see UKIP make gains which would be not a bad thing.

brityank

Sorry to say, but the same type of idiots are trying their damndest to kill off the Republicans here in the US Colonies. It seems that our Pandering Perfumed Political Prnces have forgotten the dictum that the rest of us recall: "A government that is big enough to give you what you want, is big enough to take it all away!" And they're doing that in spades.

I had occasion to hear from one of our Guiding Lights here - Pamela Geller - in a video of her speech in Texas, and culled this paraphrase from her remarks:

"We all talk about the 'Greatest Generation' - our Fathers, Brothers, Cousins - who saved the World from tyranny. What will our Children have to say about us, WE that gave up Western Civilization to the International Socialists and Islamists?"

www.atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/11/video-pamela-geller-in-texas.html

Once that unholy alliance completes its task of subjugating our civilizations, there will be another holy war - and its outcome is not certain, as both sides have nucs, and the willingness to use them.

Even this agnostic is praying for our countries!

Augustus

The only way the Tories can hope to gain a decent working 'swing' at the GE, and avoid the fate of a hung parliament is to bag the votes of enough disenchanted Labour voters who would otherwise have voted LibDem. This may now be easier than would otherwise have been the case than if the LibDems had been less socialist
and had more political oomph.
Cameron can thank his lucky stars that (a) Brown's lot are generally reviled by the older and more dependable age group who actually votes, and (b) that the LibDems have past their
2001 peak of popularity and are on their way down. But it could still be a close run thing as things now stand. But a labour revival blossoming in 2010? No way!

Graeme Thompson

biggestaspidistra
November 23rd, 2009 2:43pm

"By the way, your reader sounds like a Conservative pickled circa 1953: one would, ghastly, Nanny with a capital 'N', working class background, Labour's hinterland and luncheon,"

Not the first person to take a snipe at this gentleman's means of expression. If people who claim to be conservatives can't appreciate the hallmarks of good breeding, there truly is no hope left.

john miller

The three favourite parties have decided that the centre ground, as defined by Blair, is the place to be. As they rub shoulders on that particular pinhead, they wonder why voter participation at elections is heading south of 35%.

Now why on earth could that possibly be?

Norm

I think I agree with Peter Hitchins. CMD will be no better than Blair. What's lacking is someone with the clout, ie cash to fund a new party with core aims. There's millions waiting to vote for him whomever he is.

Alf Tupper

"As a footnote, my Nanny (who is from a working class background) is voting BNP."

Message to one's self: must have plumber in to instal separate lavatory in summer house for unclean Nanny.

cuffleyburgers

Fair points, well made all; but if Cameron is going to start fixing this unutterbale mess first of all he has to win the election.

This means not handing ammunition to our enemies (Brown's team of liars).

I undersatnd why Cameron is quiet - everything he says is likely to be twisted and used against him. I also think as the election approaches, he will be able to start taking effective positions on these crucial issues, and that they will be positions with which many CHers will be able to agree.

On the EU - we have been robbed, but the tories tearing themselves apart over the issue risks letting Labour back in, which would be worse than anything the EU will achieve at least in the next year or so.

This is an extraordinarily dangerous time for those of us who care for our country, but we've had them before and prevailed, and we can this time too.

POD

Melanie, I am an ordinary person,not paid lots,NEVER had much, even LESS growing up, but I have voted Conservative since 79.The country is in such a mess on all fronts and I have ALWAYS used my vote for the next generation,as they ARE our county's future financial security.The next general election is of paramount importance both at home financially, the EU,crime, immigration and a whole range of other issues too numerous to list here.
Who do I vote for?
Labour are playing with the electorate's head and the press/TV/papers do not help.It looks like Labour are going hard on the 'ANYONE BUT THE TORIES'ticket and they are succeeding.Please arrange an interview with DC and get back to us at CH.Good or bad.Just HONEST.
Thank you.

alan stoddart

Tories don't have the courage of their supposed convictions. They hope to win by default with a few pleasantries and a determined effort not to confront any issues at all.

Which is probably just as well because they seem to get it wrong when they do...grammar schools...I would think nearly all people support them from whatever class; school vouchers...how does that squeeze your kids into an oversubscribed school...get all schools right and you don't need gimmicks; Europe...they brought back Kenneth Clark who cares not one jot for the Tories in reality and will just follow his own agenda...into Europe.

Cameron fails to tackle immigration, Europe or Islam.
He is being out fought by labour continually...first the kaminski affair and then Mandelson's blatant lie about Cameron forming a contract with Murdoch. The BBC in the shape of John Humphrys joined in suggesting collusion between Kelly and Cameron on the basis of what? Did you beat your wife last night? No. Story: Cameron denies beating wife.

Tories need to headhunt Mandelson...or get his head on a stick.

They will lose without a more proactive and intelligent approach taking the fight to Labour.

2005 they should have won. The economy was clearly on the slide even then...12,000 jobs/month being lost in manufacturing and huge levels of debt already evident.

The BBC clearly support Laour and did in 2005....Labour, then Lib-Dem spokesmen appeared frequently, the Tories were often brought on 3rd and very briefly.
Jon Pinnaer comprehensively trashed every Tory policy whilst saying "Labours' were actually doing very well."

As Melanie says...WAKE UP.

Borisov

David Lindsay @ 3.48 sums it up delightfully. One is hard put to articulate any difference at all between the two parties, or the three if the LidDem were to insist.

The best way to register a disapproval of the triangular cabal would be to go, and cast the vote for ‘none of the above’. Wasn’t the Electoral Commission considering inserting this protest candidate on the ballot paper? Will they?

Daibhidh MacAdhaimh

Vulture
The three reasons listed would certainly attract popular support if they were universally uppermost in voters' thoughts at the time of the election. A blissful and merciful landslide would result. However, I'm sure you will agree that the issue of immigration, for example, might not universally resonate with indigenous people from, say, Kelso or Appleby in the same way that it will with indigenous people living in Birmingham or Oldham. They do not share the same direct experience of its numerical and nation culture compromising excesses. Same with the issues of Islamification and the EU. Neither UKIP or the BNP bother to put up candidates in rural towns and villages beyond Lancashire and the Scotland/England border for this reason. The Tories were hammered by Labour in Scotland as a result of their de-industrialisation policies of the 1980s and 90s. Labour was subsequently beaten by the SNP for reasons mainly connected to sleaze. Immigration et all played no real part in either party's removal from office. Different story in the heavily populated areas of England. It's a fact that Labour here has and is losing a lot of its base support to the BNP, a fact that David Cameron might have done well to note and take advantage of not just for his carefully manicured ego's sake but for the nation's sake. However, he's part of a political class that now thinks universally where politics is concerned. His conservatism like Brown's Maxton honed principles has been steadily cloned and infested with post-modernist/'politically correct' know nothingness. His is now the universally deceitful, spineless politics of alien appeasement and subordination to the beast that is called the EU. Yes, Cameron - like Brown - has indeed sold the pass. Meanwhile I continue to pray for another gutsy Cromwell to emerge.

PhilipH

The Tories have already blown it as far as I'm concerned when they proposed putting up the state pension age by one year for many people in their 50s. This is in effect equivalent to an extra tax of £4500 per person specifically on age group that they were hoping we would not notice. Be very afraid - people in their 50s vote, and they don't like being picked on.

Lee Jakeman

The Tories are not going to wake up. They are useless. They're all useless. That's the problem.

Johnny English

This story to me has a tinge of unbelievability about it but I am willing to give Melanie the benefit of the doubt. As a lifelong Tory voter, soon to be an ex.Tory voter, well as long as Camerons there I won't be voting BNP at the next election as I'm not racist but I will be voting UKIP.

steve ish

I am a Conservative.
I don't know where these polsters get their results from.
Everyone I know, inc Me, will be voting UKIP this time. We believe in British Democracy, not the surrender of it.

It is surprising to note, that my collegues are not all conservatives, we are from Cons/Lab/Lib/Greens. Only one intent in this G/E.

British Freedoms, British Democracy and British Independence and the British way of life.

We do not recognise the right of the unelected EU Commission to rule over us.

John Richardson

Having read all the above contributions, one thing seems clear. Some have realised that the 'Conservatives', have been terminally infected with liberalism. Some have stupidly avoided this conclusion, although obvious , and only now are facing the horrible truth ; Cameron does not even present the possibility of a false dawn !
He ain't gonna make it.
Actual Conservatives cannot kid themselves they will be betrayed.
He won't even be there to break promises.
Face the truth. Party Politics is a con trick and only cowards or fools think it is possible to 'reform' it.
The future will be totally unlike the past.
Politically; Christians must stop lying to themselves.
They ARE ALL the problem.

Democracy has failed.

Traitors will deny a referendum regardless of numbers.
As an 'OUT' vote would destroy the EU entity.
What next?
Usually wars solve these issues of slavery/freedom.
Or revolutions.

Straydingo

GaryO, you just made me spill my drink from laughing so hard - I hope you have some more years in the tank still to go :).

As for the UK I have had 12 great years as an Aussie living here...love the people and the country...but I hate seeing what the UK has become after more than a decade of Labour and cant bare seeing Cameron or heaven forbid good old Gordon in power...so I am off to Shanghai to escape the greedy tax claws of New Labour...ironic really.

JW

They *are* awake Melanie.

I've just submitted this onto RD's blog as well, it's probably the same answer to both your articles;

'I’ve just come to the realisation that we seem to be (simply put) in a 'transitional period' from self sufficient (socially/economically) nation-state to free-trade district- by the Westminster elite.

I'm not going to go on about it too much tonight (I’m not going to wind myself up- it’s bed in a minute) but look into anything at all, that would have been classed as a medium to large industrial operation’s previously manufacturing from trading-estates across the UK.

I bet you can get a container (or three) of any one of these specific mass produced items from China at a fraction of the cost- but now with no overheads, insurances, pensions, ground rent, H&S, liabilities etc, to lay out.

It's not just because of the recession that many jobs are going.

Labour and the Conservatives don't seem to understand that this is a one way nightmare (or let’s hope they don't- because if they do, then would this once of been classed as treason?).

This is so unsustainable- the UK’s microeconomics is a second/third or even of no concern to the political elite- because they are too busy trying to land their Globalist bird on an ever diminishing strip of ‘safe’ land.

This is a fact and it's across the board.'

That's happening *and* (to exacerbate everything) there's the immigration issue, the islamification of Great Britain and transformation of the main Urban centres into socially fractured enclaves.

I don't think you could have a more unstable future unless you could go back to New years eve, 1065.

Sam ARMSTRONG

DC must go

He's wet. We need someone bone dry.

Who though?

Robert Thompson

This is nonsense, most Tories I know are going to vote Conservative next time. In fact I don't think I have met a Tory in recent years who was not absolutely desperate to see the return of a Conservative government, even if it was not one they wholeheartedly agreed with. The prospect of Gordon Brown remaining as PM is enough to turn even ordinary voters apoplectic, let alone core Tory supporters. In any case Cameron deserves the benefit of the doubt.

This is only going to be an issue in five years time if the next Conservative government disappoints.

Chris

Robert Thompson is wrong, based on my local soundings. Personally I have voted Conservative for 45 years and never had doubts that I was doing the right thing for Britain. Currently I have never felt more dismayed by the quality of Tory leadership and their grasp of issues. Vote UKIP? I would, but in my marginal Tory/Libdem constituency that would let in the completely mad LibDems. I feel like opting out all together. It is simply not good enough for CMD to think that the elctorate will drift into a Tory governmment because they (rightly) detest everything about Labour/Blair/Brown and what they have done to Britain. I am looking for strong ledaership, I do not see it.

Sam ARMSTRONG

In 1975 Mrs Thatcher appeared on the 'World in Action' TV programme and outraged the grandees of the Tory party and members of the left by stating that British people "were rather afraid that they would be swamped by people of a different culture".

Addressing this issue meant that the Tories virtually wiped out the National Front at the general election of 1979.

W. Smith

"This is nonsense, most Tories I know are going to vote Conservative next time."

Quite. Because that's what *Tories* do. And that's the problem: tribal Toryism from folk to whom conservatism is merely about preserving one's loot, rather than winning the wider culture war. A plague on Tories and on their wretched party. They only undermine the conservative cause.

Kimberly Edwards

I can't get a place for my child at the local nursery because the nursery takes the siblings of the immigrant kids first, i been working hard all my life paying tax now my child can't get a place, the reason is the immigrants from muslim countries have 6 or 7 children and each year their children get a place not ours now i start going with my child stay and play group i see the muslim women coming from Africa and places like that, when they come the center they bring their application benefit forms with them they always try to get people to fill those applications I think they don't want to learn the English language the government give them free things but our kids there's no chance! the labour done so much damage to this country it will take years to put it right.

E. Wilson

Since 1945 this country has had something like 34 years of Conservative governments and 30 years of Labour governments. Today the country is bankrupt with 2.5 million unemployed, in addition we have a huge immigration problem and our elected ,and unelected politicians, have sold us out to the E.U. The two main parties have been aided and abetted by the Lib-Dems. Now who was it wrote that a vote for U.K.I.P.is a wasted vote?

Joe Munro

I would urge everyone, in spite of any misgivings, to vote either UKIP or BNP at the next election, holding your noses if necessary. Substantial support for these two is the only thing that will make the "respectable" parties sit up and take notice.
To those intending to abstain: there's an old joke that voting "only encourages them", but I think you'll find that NOT voting encourages them even more.

David ben Duji

Neil Craig,
That story on the BNP website about the KLA killing Serbs and selling their organs is a dead ringer for the claims about the Israelis killing Palestinians and selling their organs! I would have thought that a sensible person would treat anything printed on the BNP website at a long distance and with a pair of tongs!
Vulture, Watt Tyler, Tony, Wilhelm, brityank, Alan Stoddart, Daibhidh MacAidhaimh, John Richardson et al.
Your frenzied approval of the BNP/UKIP fringes makes it clear that you are using keyboards because they won't let you use anything sharp in there.

Let us all kick arse!

Vulture paints a rather good picture, as normal!
I will leave him to his own dinner though!

But Joe Munro is spot on. IF everyone voted for the BNP or ukip and deserted the three parties (actually they are all one masquerading as three!!) this would have a profound effect on politics and all politicians.

They may actually wake up to the massive threat of the enemy within created by the influx of so many muslim immigrants.

The anger of the people in not being asked about the EU!

There has to be an end to the tail wagging the dog. A return to common sense and 'when in rome' thinking.

The end of organisations such as the Muslim Council, Justice and all left wing bodies that get massive state aid, If they cannot survive on their own they must die!

Sharia law in all its faces must be banned by legislation.

There are so many good immigrants who are as equally concerned about the threat to public tranquility from muslim fundamentalism.

I would urge people to, hold their noses if necessary when voting, but to protest in a mighty way and all support the BNP or Ukip.

Graeme Thompson

Let us all kick arse!
November 25th, 2009 8:43am

“[...] Joe Munro is spot on. IF everyone voted for the BNP [...] and deserted the three parties (actually they are all one masquerading as three!!) this would have a profound effect on politics and all politicians.”

Yes, it would give Great Britain a Nazi Government that would form Muslims into packs and give them a license to kill Jews and anyone else they might think it fun to kill.

I think a far more constructive option is a provisional party to stand in areas where the BNP are strongest, to wipe them off the face of the earth and, hopefully, garner enough support, if not a seat or two, to disgrace DC for abandoning conservatism and give him an idea of what will happen if he doesn’t return to it. Such a party of course would need someone of the stature and moral and intellectual authority of Melanie Phillips to form it.

I believe the following strategy could be viable:-

1) Formation of an ‘Independent Democratic Forum’ composed of like-minded opinion formers as Melanie to draw up a manifesto for the renewal of Britain.

2) Canvassing areas such as Burnley, Bradford, Oldham and Dagenham to see what local support there may be for this manifesto, and if sufficient, selection of ‘Independent Democratic Party’ candidates to stand in June for the above mentioned purpose.

I think ‘Independent Democratic Party’ has a ring to it - or even just 'Provisional Party'. Its not just disillusioned Tories who would vote for it. The traditional British values Melanie espouses resonate across the democratic spectrum. Patriotic Labour and Libdem voters could support it as well.

Watchya say, Mel? You might find it doesn’t ‘cramp your style’ but gives it a whole new dimension.

Neil Craig

David I assure you the link about NATO police dissecting living human beings for body organs, produced by the BNP, is entirely accurate. I did put up the proof here but it has not appeared - I presume because it contained links. You can find the evidence on the web.

Joe Munro

Graeme Thompson wrote,
"IF everyone voted for the BNP ... it would give Great Britain a Nazi Government that would form Muslims into packs and give them a license to kill Jews and anyone else they might think it fun to kill."

Graeme, you have a somewhat fevered imagination. Ascribing made-up policies to your opponents and then attacking them for those policies is not a very honest way to debate.

He also wrote:
"I think a far more constructive option is a provisional party to stand in areas where the BNP are strongest, to wipe them off the face of the earth and, hopefully, garner enough support, if not a seat or two, to disgrace DC for abandoning conservatism and give him an idea of what will happen if he doesn’t return to it."

You have about 6 months, Graeme, so good luck with that plan.

Marek

I rather like David cameron because he is intelligent.

You'll find that once elected his conservatism will appear stronger by the day.

St Bruno

Reading all if not most of the comments to Melanie's latest, I have come to the conclusion that most people have forgotten the dark side of the Tory history and the army of failed Tory PMs (there’s a bit in today’s Private Eye about John Major) that litter the floor with broken dreams (please excuse the metaphors). I’ve only voted Tory once in 1979 and remain red-faced every time I think about it, never mind having bad smells when voting BNP, such childish tittle tattle about smells and defeats. Zeitgeist that’s always been the name of the game. Now, what’s the Zeitgeist today then, not the Tories or the New Labour or LibDems but the UKIP or, wait for it, the BNP. Don’t be like sheep and stick to the self same Tory or Labour, engage some thought and find out the policies and people not just read the Newspapers or heaven help us the BBC or Sky News. I think the Spectator reader know this. The internet is a wonderful thing, and as being over 50s (what cheek) I don’t need a special computer, find out for yourself it might be too late, and you might not have another chance!

Original Tony

Vulture 9:39 am...well said, those 3 points alone will ensure a Tory win. If the Tory's dont address them then hello BNP one day

Well meaning Tory.

I am a Conservative member but you will have to respect my need to leave it at that. I am incredibly frustrated at the moment as are many of my colleagues. We have been asked to tow the party line but this line now resembles a disjointed dotted line. Our core values have evaporated into thin air as we engage in a personality cult. The unthinkable has almost occurred. Many Tories will most likely vote UKIP or BNP out of pure desperation and NO they are not racist by nature. In constituencies up and down the country local party Chairmen are under huge pressure to adopt candidates thrust on them from central office and some have resigned. The climb down over the Lisbon Treaty was the final nail in the coffin. If we win the election with a clear majority it will be a miracle. We are creaking at the seams but those hungry for power at all costs do not actually give a damn. Sorry, I feel disloyal but it is the truth. We need to listen but we are not because the leadership have become touchy feely and too PC. People want hard policies not a group of tiptoeing apologetics.

St Bruno

Well meaning Tory.
November 27th, 2009 11:24am

Nice to hear that the Tories are in the same way as Labour members.
Just a few comments.
The fear of a religion is not racist.
Agree about the Lisbon Treaty.
If the Tories said something or anything constructive and helpful to the old British people it would go a long way, but then again I will never vote Tory ever again or Labour for that matter. However, I think I am in good company, it must be my age.